CHEATING The System: Italian Edition
Vložit
- čas přidán 13. 05. 2024
- Match fixing goes against the very nature of sportsmanship. It's unethical, it's deplorable and it's also super uncool.
Despite this, it has been attempted since the dawn of competition and will likely be attempted many times more in the future.
Today we take a look at two high profile match fixing scandals in Italy and what exactly went down.
Transcript and sources: footballiconic.com/how-to-fix...
Twitter: / theofficial_fi
Instagram: / chips009
Background music:
Song 2: • reflection - lofi hip ... (Prod. Riddiman)
Song 4: • [FREE FOR PROFIT] russ... (Prod Pink)
0:00 - Introduction
02:01 - Totonero: 1980
06:11 - Calciopoli: 2006
Producer: Tinashe Chipako
-----------------------
All non-licensed material used in this video falls under fair use for commentary, criticism, and educational purposes. No copyright infringement intended. If you are or represent the copyright owner of materials used in this video and have a problem with the use of said material, please send me an email at info@footballiconic.com and we can sort it out. - Sport
My respect for Colina skyrocketed when I heard how he refused to fix matches when the scandal broke out back in the day . He was already a great referee but since that day , he has always been my favourite
GOAT referee for a reason
Yes... I watched the documentary on Netflix with the match fixing and Colina was a great!
Shows how low our standards are for referees lmao
@@menesebastiao2468 because he wouldn't fix games and stood up to all the general managers and top players?
That's not a low standard... I'm sure it could have cost him his career to not go along, just like it did for many other Italian referees
@@Mrmhibbert not just his career, he was threatened with being "disappeared"
"Fixing" in normal world: Repair something broken to be good.
"Fixing" in football world:
I get what you mean, but if I let the joke deliberatily go over my head for a moment Im going to note that it probably would be a "repair" or something good to the one ordinating the match-fix, or it could just refer to the result being "Fixed" in place (or 'pre-determined', at least which team wins).
yh it has multiple meanings well done
Why didn't you mention how Didier Deschamps took charge of the depleted Juventes side in 2006-07 Serie B season, whipped them back into shape after a bad start of season, won Serie B and promotion to the top division with 3 games in hand, and moved on as soon as his job was done? Amongst all things Deschamps has achieved, helping his old club out at their lowest point is one of the most respectable feats ever!!
I do remember that it felt weird how Deschamps left Juventus a few games before the season would end
if I recall correctly, Deschamps left Juve at the end of that season because of a disagreement with the Juve board. Years later he said it was one of his biggest regrets, leaving Juve at that moment. He had a chance to return Juve to glory in serie A, but missed his chance because of a disagreement.
many players stayed despite the team getting relegated so it was still a top team, not that impressive
Juventus alias “Rubentus” that comes from Italian verb “rubare”, which means TO STEAL! is it clear, innit? 👍
Peharps with some fixing.
It feels like Serie A has yet to recover from Calciopoli. Italian football post-2006 feels much different than the one before 2006.
@Abdulaziz Mohammed tbf both teams in thier history changed the badge multiple times
Juventus alias “Rubentus” that comes from Italian verb “rubare”, which means TO STEAL! is it clear, innit? 👍
@@artibansTales cringe
@@NIDELLANEUM so It is called. 👌
Which is all Inter's fault.. Sore losers.. Inter Merda
Calciopoli was the downfall of Italian football, before it all of the best players played for Italian teams, u had nedved, Maldini, cafu, rivaldo , Zidane in 98 and more
Rivaldo was a finished player when he played in the Serie A.
@@FuzzyDlop so? Like all the best players in the world didn’t play in Italy for decades before the scandal.
@@FuzzyDlop he was a bench warmer and a backup for rui costa
Serie A was already dying by 2006. Ac Milan and Juventus were keeping it alive.
I would say... matchfixing is something that exist in every football league, however, i feel like the Serie A was the one that was caught with the pants down at the end of the day, and the one that got hammered the most, considering how Italy used to be a powerhouse in football during the 90's and early 2000's before the Calciopoli happened.
Even today, there's rumors that another Calciopoli could happend again due to Juventus performance when they were winning Serie A tittles like no tomorrow from 2012 up to 2020.
They were the strongest side in those years, never in doubt about that. And the ownership is new and they won't do the same mistake twice
Real Madrid 🤣
@@xdwwxd Or certain UEFA Champions match of Barcelona vs Chelsea...
@Juve One word "Plusvalenza"
@Juve low that to 8 tittles and a potential relegation to Serie B alongside Napoli if the allegations turns out to be true, but i am pretty sure that Juve will be fine if they bride the right people as usual.
I still remember when Calciopoli was being revealed. I was following the transcripts from the Goal website like a madman in summer 2006. Great video, as always, my guy ⚽⚽⚽⚽⚽⚽⚽
good ol days
Seeing you too interact is wholesome as a fan of both of you
@@NikkoNikko98 Hi Nikko. Thank you for the comment. Pleasure seeing you here as well. Much love :))
I remember turning into an expert in Italian sport jurisdiction in 2006-2007. Anything to honorably defend Juventus 😂
@@rhizoidx There's nothing to defend about the most disgusting club in sports history.
I'm very impressed by how frequently you mange to upload, seeing as how high quality your videos are.
Thanks man!
@@FootballIconic do you edit your videos too?
@@TuraisWorldwide no, I don't
@@TuraisWorldwide yep :)
Die hard Juventus fan here since 1993. I would like to thank you for sharing this video, and generally speaking no objection here. In fact, I would like to thank you for three things:
1. Highlighting the fact that other clubs were involved, and not just Juve.
2. inter escaping further investigation and punishment due to the statute of limitations
3. Mentioning that Juve re-emerged in 2011/2012 -> and even in that season, all Juve's rivals were complaining of preferential decisions. Which is quite ironic considering Moggi, Bettega, and Giraudo were all out of the picture, and that back in 2006 inter's then Chairman famously claimed that Serie A was now clean and honest from now on.
Cheers mate.
There was no statue of limitations, Inter escaped because they weren't involved at all. Juventus fans are the most pathetic people and ever not to mention the most dishonest and removed from reality. They can't accept the fact they wasted their life supporting the most corrupted team in sports history. It's factual that Inter wasn't involved and that won't change because Juventus fans want it. Pathetic that you're still trying to manipulate the truth to this day. Perfect representation of how digusting Juventus and its fans are.
@@FuzzyDlop Pathetic that your delusional fan base (whatever it is) just wants to blame Juventus for their own failures. Where were the referees in 1999? Where were the referees in Perugia in 2000? Where were the referees in 2001? Where were the referees in 2004?
I'm sure you saw the netflix special.
Let's fact check some of the games.
Game 1: Lecce-Parma - The game has nothing at all to do with Juventus but this game allowed Fiorentina to survive Serie A in 2005. The accusation is that Moggi controlled referee De Santis fixed the match at the request of Moggi after Della Valle (Fiorentina owner) asked Moggi for help. Moggi actually can’t stand De Santis and De Santis can’t stand Juventus. It was De Santis (admitted Interista) that disallowed a legitimate Juventus goal in the Italian Supercup costing Juve the trophy and handing it to inter wrongfully. All intercepted phone calls regarding this game showed Della Valle contacting Bergamo (referee designer) and Carraro (FIGC president) and Mazzei (FIGC Vice President) directly with no mention of Luciano Moggi.
Game 2: Juventus-Udinese - the actual fixed game was Udinese-Bologna the week before. The idea was for the Moggi controlled referee to give yellow cards to Udinese players that were already carrying yellow cards so that they couldn’t play against Juventus. The players handed yellow cards that day were Pinzi and Di Michele. In actual fact neither was carrying yellows and both were on the field against Juventus the following match day.
Game 3: Juventus-Sampdoria - here the accusation was that the Moggi controlled referee allowed an offside goal to stand granting Juventus a 1-0 win over Sampdoria. The game actually ended 0-1 for Sampdoria with Aimo Diana scoring an offside goal. Please search the game on CZcams.
Muntari's goal. Pjanic's slap. The plusvalenze. You're right, serie a really isn't clean at all
@@germanogirardelli ...Matri's wrongfully disallowed goal for Juve in the same game when Muntari's goal was disallowed.
Let's keep it moving bro, I got this.
@@rhizoidx doesnt matter. With Muntari's goal Milan was up 2-0. The game would have been over.
Imagine KDB in the Championship you say???? May not be that far away now ;)
A discount? On a fiat? Had me laughing for a while
Riding in my Fiat, you really had to see it
😂
1980: Totonero, 1982: Italy wins the world cup.
2005: Calciopoli, 2006: Italy wins the world cup.
Please make longer videos like 30-40 mins we love all the small and big details anyways love ur videos and the commentary keep up the good work my guy
I guess it just depends on how long the video needs to be get the point accross. Can be 15 like this one or 30 like the Liverpool one. But I'll be making longer ones in the future for sure
@@FootballIconic I understand I'm just saying we can't get enough of ur content
This guy is a really great presenter. Interesting topics, good story teller, good voice, just a little bit of spice. Well done!
I love your content! From the tantalisingly juicy stories to the production value, as well as your fantastic humour, it's all extremely consistent. Consistently very good, I may add! Thanks, keep it up ✊
Great Video Man! I’d like to see a how good was Javier Zanetti, and analysis on Anchelotti’s Milan team, and Germany’s 2014 World Cup win. Also on Jose’s Inter
Love your videos. Informative but also hilarious! I lost it at @11:16
The real story from the 2006 scandal was home inter Milan got away with it and had former executives on the board of the people investigating the fixing
Yo broski! Loving the content as always, keep it up!
"I can't lie...I'm snitching." 🤣 I've been binging the channel for a week and I'm absolutely loving it. From one Red (Liverpool) to another (United) - well done and keep 'em coming!
Awesome stuff man. I subscribed as soon as I watch your video for the first time and I’ve been binge watching ever since! You the best!
Fede it's just cool af and hearing a saffa accent covering these topics and killing your videos!
Nice vid man, as a calcio fan calciopoli is one of the most Interesting yet shameful episodes in Italian football, even more than totonero because there's always this feeling that we only know the tip of the iceberg. If you ever make a detailed video on it I'll gladly watch it
Loving the Videos!
Much love from LA!
Great content as always. Would be glad if you made a Luka Modric biography for us. His time at Madrid from worst to best
Love the videos really interesting. underrated channel!
Brilliant video as always
Italian here: great video, very accurate! And congrats on your pronunciation, it's nice and understandable!
Insane video my guy 🙏🏻
You should make a video on the Villarato in Spanish football, for the last 15 years the statistics of Barcelona when it comes to red cards and penalties are absurd, between 2016-2018 they went 76 la liga games without a penalty against them, and how the media has covered this absurd statistics
That's because they kept the ball for 2 years and didn't have ramos playing for them. When you have 90% possession you're not going to give away many fouls
@@GuinessOriginal yeah possession allow them to not receive a single penalty in 76 games in la liga, with la liga refs, meanwhile they go to the UCL and with the same Possession but with UEFA refs they have a normal ratio of penalties, statistics don’t lie, in UEFA they have normal statistics for a big team, in spain they have absurd statistics
@@luisteran3182 that’s bs in those Terri years they didn’t get any pens audit them in the cl either, plus they’re playing better sides in the call than in la liga. Just cos Ramos got sent off every other game for practicing his MMA on the pitch 😂
@@GuinessOriginal bruh 💀, I’m giving facts and data and your come up with this bullshit
@@GuinessOriginal that's because they got caught doing shit worse than Calciopoli. They went straight to the top 2 of the refereeing committee an paid him a lot of money.
This channel is amazing 👏
Hi football iconic I love your content it covers really good topics with interesting facts for an idea could you do a brief run through of each World Cup personally I love old football it was much more entertaining
Hiii
I actually requested this for this video . And you actually did it !!!! Yay 😂😂😂😂😂
Man I was so devastated when Juve got relegated. That was my favourite side of all time, led by my favourite player of all time, Alex Del Piero (thanks for using his face as a thumbnail for match fixing btw). Crazy stuff.
I mean if Utd. Are relegated maybe Maguire will actually defende for once. Jokes aside, match manipulations are are a very dark patch in any sport or game. I wonder how many of these scandals didn't come out and we are so emotionally attached to this game maybe we aren't ready. Great video mate :)
I love these videos bro, keep up the good work! Idea for a future video, as a Laziali my hero is Ciro Immobile, any chance you could make a video about him in the future?
Great vid keep up the good work
5:47 Ironically the Germans themselves were accused of match fixing along with Austria during the group stages of that very same World Cup, where both teams time-wasted for most of the match, preserving a German lead and letting both teams advance at the expense of Algeria (See the Disgrace of Gijon)
Isn’t that the reason why all the last group games are played at the same time in the same group
@@hi-ls6lt This match was the reason FIFA implemented that rule
@@lawrencema667 thank you for clarifying ☺️
@@hi-ls6lt The funniest/most cruel part of this story is that Algeria wouldn’t make the Round of 16 of a World Cup until 2014, only to get knocked out by Germany again
@@lawrencema667 I remember that game. I thought they gave them a good go though, but then again I was ten and I don’t remember much from that age, so whether that was true 🤷♀️
Banger video, been killing it recently
Cheers, buddy!
Man I love your content
maybe also talk about the 1996 final Juventus is accused of using sport enhanching drugs but never punished by uefa
Juventus alias “Rubentus” that comes from Italian verb “rubare”, which means TO STEAL! is it clear, innit? 👍
Thuram and Del Piero along with several other Juventus players were constantly using drugs. Thuram would have normal legs one sunday and 2 weeks later massive legs all of a sudden. They were caught using them anyway but covered it up.
@@FuzzyDlop DelPiero legs were just like those of Roberto Carlos in 1996. 😬🤔
@@artibansTalesDel Piero sued the people who accused him and i think he won the case, there were indeed investigations of Juventus and they were cleared
Great video, bro. 👏👌
My favourite youtuber uploads What a way to end a bad week 😆😆
Wow the username and pfp shows
Couldn't tell
"discount on fiat "thing was hilarious!
Love this Chanel. Good job also can you please make a video on Javier Hernandez (Chicharito)
I felt a little odd reading this title right after the UCL finals but I was glad to see no matchfixing claims regarding that match
Apart from benzemas goal being ruled out
Best Football Channel on CZcams of All Time.
💯💯❤️❤️👑🔥🔥
Hey, love your vids man💪🏾. Can you do a future video on David Beckham. Like how good was he or if he can even be considered a legend? Cheers.
0:55 Imagine getting relegated on 91 points 😳
Great Insight on Calciopoli. There is a brilliant Netflix documentary on the show Bad Sport which focuses on the exact case and goes into good detail about it. For those who to watch it is the 3rd Episode on the show.
Didn't knew MKBHD had football channel
Would be cool if you did the portuguese football corruption scandal "Apito Dourado" (Golden Whistle) . It went on during and before "Calciopoli" and to this day the clubs and parties envolved haven't been charged or gone to prison.
I honestly though you are gonna talk about Mussolini intimidating everyone, including the own national team, to win the WC in the 30s.
But this is also great
Loving the new beard my guy, looking sharp
Cheers haha
If you want to know more about calciopoli it’s on Netflix series called bad sports and it’s episode 3. It’s a great documentary
One day, we'll see the French edition
Actually something similar happened with OM in 1993.
@@anakinstarlord Hence why I talked about the French edition
@@lucaslonchampt613 sorry I misunderstand your comment. 👍👍
Great video as always! How’s the discord server coming??
German matchfixing in the 70s was Something too
4:00 *'Getting ripped off when you're trying to rip people off is very tough'*
It's not tough, it's poetic justice.
Yep. Was being sarcastic 😂
Hidden beard just appeared on cam let’s go. Running that facial hair
If a team is found guilty of cheating/match fixing, the owners should have their assets seized and thrown in prison for at minimum 10 years, the club should be relegated to the lowest tier of professional football in their nations, players contracts get locked indefinitely until they get back into the tier they were removed from then the time starts counting again. You can’t trade players and have to continue paying them the same salary all that time. If a player retires, he isn’t allowed to play in any professional league be it beach football, futsal or field football. Make the penalty so heavy that people are terrified of doing it. That would fix it. As for officials getting caught, you seize all their assets and put them in prison for 10 years as well, they have to start from scratch as if they were just born.
Hey man, you should make a video on the J leauge! In my opinion the most underrated league out there. When it comes to entertaining football.
I would suggest that you look into the Portuguese football scandal "Golden Whistle"
Nowdays only few Teams really fix matches, is nearly impossible to tell wich teams there are now, but I’m sure they are still around.
I know its too early to say anything about him, but what are your thoughts on Broja? I got the albanian bias but he's honestly really talented
I'd like to see a follow-up involving the match fixing accusations of Evangelos Marinakis, now that Forrest is promoted and that's in the news again.
I would love a sort of tropico style football game where its all about corruption and using the most dirty and corrupt methods to win. Like match fixing or using bribes to get the league or any other trophy like the WC or Ucl immediately. And if you fail or get caught you get relegated or banned from certain tournaments or point deductions etc. It would be a very fun game tbh i would play that
good video man but i i want to see real madrid's run this year :D
Nottingham Forest playoff game yesterday....
Eyy love the beard ma dude
I would love to see a vid on 2015 barca and 2010 inter
the 2005 06 juventus team was ridiclous: Zlatan, del piero, nedved, cannavaro, thuram, zambrotta, vieira, emerson, buffon
Marco Reus vid pls, also love the vids
Calciopoli was a scandal not only related to football: Moggi was the head of a sort of "organization", and he was able to grant favours even to politicians and high ranked militaries; the gifts were many, and definitely not only "discounts" on Fiat products; we're talking about Rolex, Cars, Houses... even better jobs. That dude literally had two policemen as "bodyguards"
You're right, many other teams had a line of comunication with the referees, but Moggi was the one who controlled the whole thing, and the one you had to ask to fix the game. E.g. Inter president, Giacinto Facchetti, indeed had lines of comunications with the referees - which still was illegal - but there is no proof of match fixing
Moreover, 2004 is just the year the investigation started, but it's pretty clear that this situation started way before 2004
The Mbappe joke was brutal 😩😂😂😂😂
A video on Alessandro Nesta would be cool!
Laughed harder than I should have on that Mbappe joke.
There's probably match fixing in every league. Madrid usually plays with favorable refereeing, and it shows a lot when in a particular game they couldn't or wouldn't get that advantage.
On the topic of Spanish football there's been a disgustingly high amount of scandals that have blown up in recent years and the problem is that they usually blow up far too late for there to be any action to be taken besides punishing the club leadership
Italians have always been suspicious of bribery and match fixing, just look at 1965 Liverpool vs inter Milan Semi final of European cup , that was one of the most worst refereeing in the history of the European cup
And when Juve beat Liverpool(Heysel I think), foul was well outside the box, you can see it in the live play, not even replay, the ref gives a penalty and Juve won 1-0, with Platini(another allegedly corrupt scumbag) taking the winning penalty. Doesn't help the Italian image that they basically created/revolutionized "modern" organized crime.
@@Mad_Intalect Liverpool should have been disqualified from the final after the Heysel incident caused by his supporters.
@@FrePado All English teams were suspended from Europe for a minute, YEARS, what more do you want? What I said still stands...imo the game should have been abandoned after that incident though.
@@Mad_Intalect yes, I agree, That game shouldn't have been played. In that situation the referee made the right decision to make sure Liverpool wouldn't win that game.
@@FrePado 2 wrongs don't make a right.
The farm joke got me spitting out my drink.
Bro, can you do a vid on forest since they’ve just been promoted to the prem after being out for 2 decades. Legendary club
My man went full savage at the end against Ligue 1 😂
You should have talked more about how AC Milan was given a point penalization (when it's known that they weren't given any advantage) while Inter, which was as guilty as Juventus, was given the scudetto after finishing at the 3rd place.
Nope, Inter never did anything like that. Only Juventus did as they are the most corrupted team in sports history. Juventus fans keep spreading lies after all these years because they're pathetic and disgusting. Truly the most pathetic fans in the history of ANY sports. It's hard for them to believe Inter was actually a clean and honest club because they never understood honesty and decency. It's all factual that Inter has never done it. Juventus is simply the most disgusting club ever and its fans are even worse, they've been lying to themselves and to others because they can't accept they supported such a corrupted and pathetic club all their life.
Please do one about The Greek League man..I'm a die hard Panathinaikos fan,and throughout all this years Olympiakos (out biggest and most hated rivals) have been paying referees and fixing matches only cause they got money..Please bro
Never thought from your old videos you were black ,happy to have a fellow brother killing it on CZcams!
Big ups from Sweden
You should also mention that several of Juventus' key players did NOT leave the club when they were relegated and stayed to get Juve back to glory!
On Netflix their is a show where they go in depth of what was said in the Juventus scandal
7:39 pure gold
what's the beat you used in the intro?🔥👀
Damn now imagine how long the vid would be if he ever covers Mexican/Brazilian football fixing/scandal
Definitely going to look into them!
Brazilian football 😆
great video
Ibra and Del Piero in the thumbnail just look so funny lol
you forgot the headbutt of 06, thay how they won that tourment.
Goddamn, I'm actually the first one here 😀. Love the vids dude, keep them coming! 👍
As a longtime Juve fan, I was heartbroken when they got relegated to Serie B. They had talented/skilled players (my favorite till this day and my idol: Zlatan) and they lost almost all of them but I never gave up on the club.
hey, can you please do a video of one of the greatest midfielders of all time, arguably (and is) the greatest midfielder of all time, Andres Inietsa??
Good one.
Much of the ill-feeling in Italy towards Juventus comes from beliefs that they have bribed refs for decades. Roma fans feel that the 1980-81 Scudetto was stolen from them. (Moggi handled transfers for Roma at one stage in his career and many fans believe he left Roma when it was found that he was being bribed to do favourable deals for Juve). Then in 1981-82, Fiorentina fans feel that they were cheated by Juve bribing refs. These clubs are not clubs that have won many Scudetti - Roma 3 and Fiorentina 2 - so any loss is keenly felt. Fiorentina fans felt particularly insulted when their star player in 1990 Roberto Baggio was sold to Juve.
Going further back to the 60s and 70s, English clubs have suffered at the hands of Italian clubs and bent referees: Inter scoring directly from an indirect free-kick vs Liverpool, Leeds vs Milan and Derby vs Juventus.
Who they were going for was Berlusconi but they couldn't manage to do it(that boiled till the bunga bunga scandal). Moggi was the scapegoat but it also had to do with the fact that italian football was not economically healthy and that was the first step which was taken. Also calciopoli comes from tangentopoli. And fun fact, the owner(Moratti) of the only big team which came out clean with the whole "cardboard scudetto" situation,(Inter) coincidentally had very strong connections with the leadership of Telecom which is the phone company who cooperated with the autorities intercepting all the incriminating calls.