The REAL Reason Arsenal Declined | The Fall of Arsène Wenger
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- čas přidán 14. 05. 2024
- Arsène Wenger experienced one of the most brutal falls from grace that I've ever witnessed for a manager in world football.
One second adored by millions, the next booed and scoffed at by the same people. In this video, we'll be discussing how things went wrong for Arsène Wenger at Arsenal.
Perhaps we'll even agree on whether the hate was justified or not. Who knows.
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0:00 - Introduction
02:04 -The beginning of the end
03:10 - The Emirates
05:17 - Player Recruitment
06:14 - Tactics
07:37 - The Fabregas Problem
10:27 - The ownership
12:35 - Is Arsène Wenger to Blame?
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Arsenal's decline was no fault of Wenger's, it was purely down to the lack of investment from the board. His genius kept Arsenal relevant and they have fallen off a cliff ever since he left.
Some Arsenal fans should be ashamed of themselves for the abuse and hatred they directed towards their greatest ever manager
Yawn I’m sure the board told him to sign xhaxa instead of Kante
@@04foreverinvincible69 it is totally believable, he wasnt able to spend as much as he wanted, and was critized by the fans and by the board for that, the same board who didnt want to spend.
So yeah when came the moment to spend, im pretty sure he had less power to do anything, and i will add one last thing, people here keep talking about fucking arsene wenger being a bad coach at the end, thats some bullshit, he kept bringing in FA cup, and no thats very valuable titles esp if you look at the team he had in retrospect, this stuff need to stop when people call him a bum, he did better than most coach in the premier league, he wasnt a bum.
George Graham is our greatest manager
@@04foreverinvincible69 You've written the same thing in like 5 comments now. Atleast make the bullshit you right be true. Wenger wanted Kante and Manolas that season and the board could only get him Xhaka and Mustafi. A man who had a eye for talent couldnt tell Kante was bettee than Xhaka? i dont thinks so. He wasnt backed. Since he's left we have spend more than he ever did in the past decade and we finished 8th last season. So you keep yawning with your low IQ
@@MrCaptaincupcakeful dont even know about ur own club. Graham was at arsenal for only a fraction of wenger's time and didnt win that many trophies
Not to mention the fact that he jumped ship to spurs
What Wenger managed to achieve with the amount of resourses he had availiable was criminally underrated. Does anybody think that Guardiola, Klopp or Conte could do better than top 4 if they had to sell their best players every year only to replace them with much cheaper alternatives?
Klopp literally won UCL & EPL by doing that...
@Terrance Tibbs when it was only big 4 and most midtable teams couldn't afford foreign players.
Blame the owners .simple
@@mikerodrigues2906 yes. The owners are the one who pick the starting 11.
@@RafaelSantos-di5yw Nope, when he won EPL and CL, he had already built a great team.
The way Arsenal fans treated him was disgusting. Fair enough, he declined massively as a manager, but that was no way to treat the man who did so much for your club.
No he deserved it 3 titles 22 years
6-0 vs to chelsea
6-3 to man city
Constantly getting battered by Liverpool
8-2 to man United
15-3 on aggregate
On top of that he had the chance to sign Kante and chose xhaxa instead he never built a steady back 4 wenger was finished after 2011 he should’ve went years ago
@@04foreverinvincible69 regardless, you don’t turn on a club legend like that. There were better ways to go about it.
The club hasn't recovered yet. In the last few years, he has done so many bad things. But still, I always have respect for him.
@@04foreverinvincible69 still he shouldn’t have been treated like he just committed some war crimes, plus they’re doing much worse without him anyway🤣🤣🤣🤣
You think Arsenal fans treated Wenger badly? You clearly don’t know about the Man Utd and Spurs fans who sang chants about him being a paeodphile for 20 years which is more disgusting than fans wanting Wenger gone for the right reasons:
Highest paid manager in the league and yet was constantly underachieving
Highest ticket prices in Europe for the Emirates with 7 straight CL R16 defeats
14 years without a league title in which we could have won the league 4 times in that period if Wenger had been proactive - the real turning point was when Leicester won the league , one of the most embarrassing moments in the club’s history
We HAD to protest against him just to get our voice heard , we didn’t want to , but however considering how stubborn the board was we had indicate some kind of pressure for change , after all, Arsenal were still getting ridiculed for letting Wenger stay when other clubs (like Chelsea) are ruthless with their managers - Ancelotti got sacked a year after winning the double with Chelsea …
It is easier to see these issues more clearly in hindsight. At the time, fans did not know how little was actually invested in the club. Wenger, being a professional, did not speak up against the ownership or the board during his time there. This unfortunately led to him taking the blame for the state of the club and hurting his legacy when the real blame lied with the ownership.
I mean bendtner was on our books for years till 2014 along with the fact that a DM wasn’t brought in after 2013 it started to become obvious that wenger wasn’t getting the necessary investment
Well..
EXACTLY.
he did a good job seeing Arsenal through the financial transition of the Emirates ( though some poor decisions made in finance to not compete for that long after moving a stadium when we look at other teams not crippled by such a move). Still, he stayed too long and his approach to football was way in the past. Arsenal's scouting had to be totally revamped the past few years because it was so so dated. Football is very data-driven now, and thats not the type of manager AW was. He was also too sentimental to a fault trusting in players that just weren't good enough. AW had to go for the club to change. Even the awkward Emery phase was necessary, but AW was keeping the club in a stagnant state while football kept moving on.
@@Ray03595 LOL what a bunch of crap. Arsenal will never be as good as they were with Wenger EVER AGAIN. HAHAHAHAHA
For all the things Wenger did for Arsenal, he was chased out of Arsenal with sticks. Like yeah he was declining as a manager and was not able to keep up with the evolving game but the way he was chased out still leaves a bitter taste. He was and always will be a Arsenal Legend even if the last few years had been riddled with mistakes and errors.
He should’ve been fired 10 years earlier this guy chose to pay more for xhaxa than Kante embarrassing
fans throwing stones in a glass house he built for them
@@04foreverinvincible69 He still did good not good enough tho.
Did you forget how opposing fans used to sing 'Arsene Wenger we want you to stay'? Jesus, people have such a short memory, they remember whatever suits them and their one dimensional view of the world. Every other club wanted Wenger to remain at Arsenal because they knew Arsenal will never be a threat again with him in charge. That's why likes of Gary Neville were saying 'be careful what you wish for' - he knew it is better for United if Wenger stays. Now, signing Emery or Arteta instead is a completely another matter - Wenger had to go, end of story.
@@04foreverinvincible69 but the decline started in 05
The only manager in premier league history to win the title undefeated, got us champions league football for 16yrs back to back despite not having any transfer funds because of new stadium cost. Wenger deserves respect
16 years of which we only made up the numbers and would be destroyed. Great job.
@@Klash716 dude your talking crap, go home and leave the adults to talk about this
@@PRCOM I'm sorry in which part was I discussing cartoons? Unless you live in an alternative reality Wenger in his 16 CL stints reached one final. The rest was being knocked out in last 16 and the odd quarter final and in the last few years of his time there would lose by basketball scores to Bayern and others. He will be never go down as an elite manger a I cannot name on elite manger that does not have one CL trophy under their name.
@@Klash716 Agreed
@@Klash716 maybe not elite, but definitely one of the premier league all time greats. arsenal wouldn't have had ucl football if wenger left in 2007
His tactics left a lot to be desired for in his last years, as well as his inability to instill a fighting spirit in the team and the defensive fragility. Having said that, he was not supported enough in the transfer market (especially after the stadium was built) and his late 90s - early 00s period cements him as an Arsenal legend, Arsene's Invincibles will always be a legendary side.
His team was winding down in 2005
Yeah, he had podolski but never played him.
You can't install fighting spirit when the players you have wouldn't have a clue what fighting spirit was.
his teams had spirit. more spirit then artetas and Emerys . they always came back from 2-0 down and etc. defied the odds all the time. you are just spitting media narrative
@@miltonhatzidakis3351 no they don't have spirit unless you were referring to the pre emirates team. There's a reason why patrice evra called them babies for all those years.
A giant of a man, with an even bigger legacy. Building a new stadium was ahead of its time. You only have to look at spurs and other clubs for the costs involved now. The stadium is his legacy. That and he made arsenal relevant and competitive over his era. England is blessed to have a lot of clubs with rich histories and trophies in the cabinet but he took arsenal to another level. Relevant in terms of arsenal being considered a big 2 then 4 the 6 club during a time of massive media exposure. Losing dein was the biggest blow and I think wenger took on more responsibility with getting the transfer right/making the numbers add up. Spot on about viera. In the latter years arsenal were viewed as a bit soft and wenger never brought or found another viera type player who be offended at the though of losing. I think in his 2nd last season arsenal finished 5th with 75 points. Probably the highest points total for a club that missed out on champions league football. Honestly all things being equal I think he worked miracles at the club, played entertaining football and if any of us were playing a football manager game we all be aiming to replicate everything he achieved.
He didn't build a stadium. Good Architects and builders, build a stadium
Wenger made Arsenal relevant all over the World. His style of Football made people connect with Arsenal. He revolutionalised English Football and people like me from the Countries became fans of Football and Arsenal - begun to like Football because of him and Ferguson. He wasn't backed financially and he still kept Arsenal relevant for more than 2 decades. Cannot think of any other manager other than these two legends to do it for so long and SAF was backed every single year of his reign.
Wenger's clubs always played good footie until his retirement. Wenger's players also IMO got better under him, there just wasn't much talent at the end. I think his biggest problem was that he just kept selling his best players to rival clubs. He pretty much gave the title to Man U when he handed them RVP a title they could have won w/ VanPersie (the whole thanks for the league title here's Danny Welbeck was just twisting the knife). For a while it also seemed like Arsenal was Man City's farm club. And OK sure, players want to go sometimes, and if say City wants to pay for a squad player like when spurs sold Kyle Walker, fine, but for the stars just jeez ship them out the country like Liverpool or Spurs do.
I loved Wenger and I get the financial backing argument m, but apart from Sol Campbell, how many world class centre backs did he develop like he did with attacking players? He never had an eye for the defensive side of the game, and at the end of the day, this is England. Pretty football was only going to last so long
@@PaddyMac should have stood down in 2014 when him and Arsenal won their first Major Honour in 9 Years (the FA Cup) gone out on a high. He stayed on four years to long.
Wenger is the legend. Only 2 out of 21 years outside the top 4..
Post Wenger, Arsenal finished 8th and 8th despite the massive investments.
Just to remind everyone that Wenger did that with players like Chamakh, Squilaci and relying on academy products. Such an achievement.
3 leagues in 22 years
Back when Spurs & Liverpool are a joke
@@jagmaharesi2486 Arsenal is the joke now I suppose.. At least, Spur is still is a joke..
@@UGRdelver they have been a joke for quite some time. Spurs actually were giving everyone a run for their money not long ago.
@@jagmaharesi2486 spurs lol,at ours worst year we re winning more trophy than their golden generation team.that finish 3rd into 2 team title race
To be fair to Arsene's "detractors," they only got loud in his last 3 seasons with the club which the club was falling in those years. To them, it seemed like the wheels were falling off with Wenger in charge (which they were starting to) while clubs like Man City and Chelsea were getting new managers and winning league titles. I used to follow AFTV and a lot of people just look at the shouting and ranting as if these people really hated Arsene. They were annoyed with him staying "too long" but more fed up with the club. They acknowledge his legacy but felt the club shouldn't simply be defined by only him.
For me, the writing on the wall for Arsene was blowing the league to Leicester City in 2016. All of the big clubs except Arsenal were doing poorly, were out of sorts and in transition phases so it was the easiest opportunity to win the league and then blew it to a club that had narrowly escaped relegation the previous season, had a fraction of the salary, who Arsenal also defeated both home & away. That was quite the indictment on Arsene's ability.
Everything past 2015 was a joke. The summer window of 2015 was such a slap into the face. If Wenger thought: This is the best side I can assamble + Cech, than Arsenal fans weren't that delusional to say:Wtf?
I also think the magnifying effect of people shouting on Social media-making everyone else believe all Arsenal fans are against him, is overstated. The years of not spending but charging exuberant were the build up for the pay off of his last few years. And the pay off was not good at all.
It's difficult. As a rival fan (Chelsea) I can't lie I never felt Arsenal were a serious threat for the last 10 years or so of his reign, one thing in particular where I really understood Arsenal fans frustrations was his 'pet project' players - he gave players who were never gunna be good enough WAY too much time rather than cutting loose, but I was very much in the "be careful what you wish for" camp all the same. He was keeping them in the conversation all the time with squads that could've easily fallen away under lesser managers.
The match where I felt maybe it's time for him to step aside was the 0-3 defeat vs. City in the league, after the 0-3 defeat in the League Cup final. Even as a Chelsea fan that was depressing to watch lol
@@HHHBFResurrected I was always cinfused by how people could take us serious at all in the last seasons. Wenger was always really good at putting away the small sides mostly at home. If your name wasn't stoke and your below 13th in the table .. you had a hard time. This is where he got his points from. Have we got a manager till now, that can replecate that? No. One thing that does not get mentioned is the carry job that mainly Alexis Sanchez and Mesut Özil did till 2017. There were some quality players offensively. But sorry. He never brought a good keeper or a really good defender past ~ 2010 into the club with or without money. And the Mustafi Xhaka Laca, Mkhi transfers were by far not his best signings. It was just piling up.
The club failed at having a plan after him. By far. So many wrong choices by the wrong people. It took a shipwreck for people to realize, that this boat doesn't float itself.
@@shirohige6024 Totally via the small team bullying but that shouldn't be undersold, although he never really built on that it's a very good foundation to work from. The thing he had until the last 3-4 years was he gave Arsenal a very strong identity (also shouldn't be undersold), youngers today don't even know 'boring boring Arsenal' was a thing for a long arse time and that's a testament to him. Although he was competing against bigger, bright dogs I had the impression from around 10-16 if you'd got a top manager in you could've REALLY kicked on & became something special because of him.
And yeah lol... it's very apparent now Arsenal had no clue what to do when he decided to call it a day & were probably never keeping him in place to find that perfect replacement when the time was right.
@@HHHBFResurrected
Problem is: They said: Arsene please go now. Thing is the guys like Gazidis and Raul Sanlehi that chose the next manager were total frauds and we partialy knew it. They would have never managed the situation well and I give my word on that. Heck the move after was also risky af. And what we are hanging on atm is the hope, that he will develop into a good one. But the options were dry too (Benitez, Mourinho at that time).
We had an identity ... which also based on failing over and over and beeing a pushover. Its not the whole but it is a big one. Also the mystic about Wenger was held up very well. No one was allowed to do any critiscism in public without getting bombarded, because : Oh he was so good in the past. But in the present (2010s) You would not have called him a wordclass manager.
In the end he would have had to step down one day. And it was hardly getting any better. Lots of people didn't want to see him continuebin order to not see him struggle.
We wouldn't have dipped as low in 2020/21 with him. But one day, hebwould have stepped down and we would have had to go through the struggle. There is biologicly no way around it. And to build a longterm project around a close to 70 year old is also a hard sell. That isn't sustainable by itself.
Your videos are of such good presentation imo, you should be used as a reference or refresher for others in how it should be done.
Cheers, buddy!
He has arguably some of the best content on CZcams
You are actually right sir
It was never "his fault"! He helped to transform the club, the English football, and to give us many joys and unforgettable moments. At the last end, he was still doing an amazing job, give the pieces that he has, and in the same era that his directly competitors were basically "dream teams".
Such an underrated channel, the content and the work you put to make a vid is amazing, keep up the good work. Looking forward for some more awesome content
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bro “from invincible to invisible” is such a cool line, it should at least be in either the thumbnail or title
One of the managers I have a full sense of respect, even as a Liverpool fan through and through.
Plastic Liverpool fan through and through.
When I think of Wenger I think of the invincibles ❤️. Man united fan here
Arsene Wenger is the reason why I became an Arsenal fan. The journey with this great man in charge of the club has been very joyful. The last years weren’t pleasant to watch how the team was declining, but I have never lost a faith in this man. He will be remembered as an Arsenal hero alongside many other great players if his time.
Though I am a Chelsea fan, I really liked how Arsenal played back in 03-04, infact many of my friends became arsenal fans during this era. Interesting insight though.
As always, brilliant video. Informative and funny at the right beat. Thank you!
“You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain.”
great video!! i wholeheartedly believe that if Wenger had built a team of strong physical but technical players around Fabregas instead of players who were similar to him, things would have been different
these videos dont miss bro, glad i found this channel
I love your videos! My favourite football channel on youtube. Thanks so much for the hard work.
He did great for Arsenal
His tacitcs/tikki takka
Problem was MONEY
Some fans was so toxic and treated him like trash...
They seem to think manager is an easy task which we just close one eye for the job....
Anyway , miss those times under Wenger
Henry , Bergkamp , Viera , Pires , Ljunberg , Van Persie , Fabregas , walcott , Rosicky , Adebayor ,Arshavin , Hlebb ,Cole , Campbell , Lehmann
I miss bendtner
you are forgetting giroud, Sanchez, ozil, song, Almunia, Ramsey (who won us 2 fa cups) , Cazorla, and so many more
An insanely insightful perspective. My favourite footie CZcamsr. Love the videos mate.
Thanks man!!
Honestly man I don't know why you don't have at least 1m subs.
Your channel is on par with Tifo for football information.
Nice to see a person put so much effort into what they do.
Keep doing you man, I wish you all the best
love these kind of videos, keep up the great work
Wenger should go down as one of the greatest managers of all time, he gave up multiple CL's due to his loyalty to us
Not sure if you checked mate but Arsenal don't have any UCLs
Loyalty lol no he was getting a huge 9 mil per year… on top
Of that he himself knew that he could only get away with mediocrity at arsenal
@@04foreverinvincible69 Wenger should be a psychologist. He has successfully brainwashed the majority of the Arsenal fanbase into accepting mediocrity and accepting 4th place as a trophy.
he was really really good, just didnt got the support needed to push more.
e um fracassado
This channel is amazing so much effort has gone into this.
Love these videos bro! Keep em comin!
I had a walk around the stadium recently and was shocked to see little to no mention of him. He deserves a statue
That is already in the talks. Also... patience! He not too long ago left the club. If it were more than a decade or a decade and a half since he left and there no trace of any commemoration of him that then that's when you'd start to question things
The statue is there now ✌️🙃
@@AchtungBaby77 well deserved
Another banger for me to enjoy and then discuss it with my friends at school.
This channel is literally one of the best video essay channels on CZcams
Still waiting for the video on Arjen Robben from that Philip Lahm vid! Keep up the solid videos!
Amazing video as always
Wenger's legacy will only get better over time. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. We really had it good whilst he was here, and what he did for the club will have an impact for many more years to come.
you are the best channel in my feed, thank you for literally just existing.
i can't imagine you making a video about Fenerbahce but anyway, love your content pls keep at it
Bro I love your video essays
I honestly think that Arsenal lost it when David Dein left. He got a lot more backing when Dein was in the board.
Not firing wenger sooner was the downfall of this club when he sold van persie to man united of all clubs that should’ve been the straw that broke the camels back. Even if van persie pushed for the move they should’ve place him on the bench for the rest of his contract 3 Premier league in 22 years just embarrassing
Football is money nowadays. The board would take it out of his hands, like they have done many times before.
like liverpool never won the premier league during that era lol
You make great content!
Real reason is cuz he HAD NO MONEY!! He is the second greatest EPL manager ever so be RESPECTFUL If he had 1 billion like Pep he would have been more successful. NO DOUBT
I mean clubs like leicester and West ham are able to be competitive without massive amounts of money. So your argument kinda doesn't hold up
@@ihsaanilhaam743 i mean Arsenal was still competitive even when Arsene got no money. But if you want to continue being a title contender you have to spend big bulks every year. And I mean Leicester and WHU are both top 4 contenders at most, same to Arsenal's last couple of years under Wenger
@@ihsaanilhaam743 Wengers Arsenal is miles ahead of the Leicesters and west hams of this era. Between the two of them they've only tasted champions league football once in the last decade
@@ihsaanilhaam743 they are doing well but not competing for trophies
@@ihsaanilhaam743 so ur saying that Lecister was expected to win the league every yr? or West Ham? the shit Wenger did with Arsenal is exaclty what's going on with Leicester they both tried claiming back the league but bcs they had no money Leicester was only able to be happy with Europa League football, whilst Arsenal were expected to be in a title race
I'm not normally one to comment on Football CZcams videos, but I think you have got this fairly close to the mark. The bit that you seemed to gloss over was how the landscape of the ownership model of Football changed while Arsenal were under such financial constraints with the new stadium. They made the decision to move grounds and then the Billionaires came into the game. At that point, Arsenal were in a no man's land and had to proceed and adjust. It was very unfortunate and quite unpredictable. It is a testament to Wenger that he kept Arsenal competitive during this time. Yes, he made some mistakes and yes, he remained loyal to some players for longer than he should have. Ultimately though, the ownership of the club is front and centre. Kronke is a cancer on this club and Wenger attempted to hold the Footballing side together by showing loyalty to the owner. That has always been his default position, but was ultimately the reason why he came in for such criticism from the fans. Most could not see the behind the scenes and laid the blame at his feet, largely because he fronted the club and accepted the criticism. It was only after Wenger left that most fans began to see the reality of the problems caused by the owners.
Cheers for the comment! That is a very good point that I hadn't thought about. How were they supposed to know that Billionaires would start using football teams as pet project. Really hard situation to be in having just made such a huge commitment.
That was very true of the 5-6 years following the completion of the stadium, it is indeed very hard when you have to compete with United who already have a large stadium, Chelsea who have sugar daddy funding and no plans to move to a bigger stadium (so no costs) and Man City who had a stadium built and sold to them for peanuts. However when you look at 2013 onwards, the stadium construction costs have been almost paid back and Wenger is having large budgets to work with. Yet that was arguably the worst part of his 18 years in charge.
Kroenke's have gotten a lot of blame and i dont know a single fan who likes their ownership. Kroenke's, gazidis and AW all share some blame in the downfall. And yes, some just unfortunate timing as well with the stadium which was such a huge burden for way too long.
The combination of the stadium, selling their best players to sign mediocre players while his rivals continue to strengthen and failure to adapt to the ever changing climate of football has lead Wenger to his inevitable downfall.
The seasons he should have won the Premier League title is 2008, 2014 and 2016. 2008 to be fair wasn't his fault. Eduardo Da Silva suffered a horrific injury so brutal that the broadcasters had to censor the images on TV against Birmingham. After that the wheels fell off. 2014 despite ending their 9 year trophy drought and signing Mesut Ozil, he couldn't get the job done plus getting humiliated by his rivals 6-3 against City, 5-1 against Liverpool and 6-0 against Chelsea. 2016 was the year where the Manchester clubs weren't at it, Liverpool were mid table mediocrity and Chelsea had a season from hell. Wenger should have invested on a striker when he had the chance but signed a declining Cech and Elneny in the January window. In the end, relegation fodder Leicester City went on to do the unthinkable and won the Premier League title. After that it went up in smoke and failed to get Champions League football on his final 2 years. Arsenal's last Champions League appearance was in 2017 when they got slapped 10-2 on aggregate against Bayern. Those three year I've highlighted was the years Arsenal should have won the league. One wasn't his fault but the other 2 he screwed up.
Wenger is partly responsible for the downfall of Arsenal but they were circumstances that played a role in the decline like forced to sell their best players to finance the Emirates stadium, signing mediocre players and youths never setting a light, change of board and ownership and rivals having more money to strengthen their teams while Arsenal was left behind. Blaming Wenger for everything wrong at Arsenal is wrong. He did get Champions League football every year with poor players and won the FA cup with these sorry lot.
Should have stood down in 2014 when he and Arsenal won their first Major Honour in 9 Years (FA Cup). He didn't even Qualify for top 4 in last two seasons. He was acting like the clubs accountant than that of a manager in his latter years
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Fabrigas could be a club legend if he had stayed and in course we could have achieved PL. He was undoubtedly one of the few best playmakers while his time at arsenal. I vaguely remember watching him coming as a sub and scoring two goals around 2008-09. He made me fall in love with Arsenal and how they play and from then the mostly searched string in my web browser history were "Arsenal Transfer news " and "cesc fabrigas". it was a poetry on field and i was deeply hurt when he left for Barcelona.
As a young boy (who isn't British) I legit though Arsenal was named after Wenger, he became their manager before I was born and left after I hit my 21th birthday.
I grew out of that, but still think that idea is endearing lol
Big fan of wenger. Seems like he has some integrity. Would like to see him running fifa
Again a good video how are you so consistent, just asking but would you make a video on the one of the best midfielder of this decade like XAVI, INIESTA, MULLER, DE BRUYNE, OZIL etc. You made various on 1900s to 2010s on carrick, scholes, lampard , gerard, etc etc.
Tbh Cesc is also one this decade and you have made a video and he is also in video but still.......
I coulda sworn Arsenal were named after Arsene.
And chelsea due to Petr "Cech"
Lol
I love your football docs man!
probably one of the highest quality football story channels out there, right up with tifo and copa90 imo
After Arsenal won the invincle season, the scouting team asked for Essien, got told they had a 5 mil budget..
Steve Rowley, the man who discovered Tony Adams, quit after the signing of Xhaka and Mustafi.
Why not ask your Klopp, Guardiola, Pochettino or whoever to work in these conditions. See how many years before they quit.
There was also the resignation of David Dein over some boardroom stuff. Him and Wenger were a perfectly functional duo. Dein was replaced by incompetent people, indeed of a much lower calibre than the collaborators of Klopp and Guardiola.
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I know it will be good, so lemme change that to 1
and yes, it was good; a nice nostalgic throwback into former fan favorite success
not an Arsenal fan either, but Wenger + Arsenal deserve their sympathy like Klopp + Liverpool did later in the PL
And now, as an arsenal fan, I expect 6 points from Manchester United, Chelsea and Tottenham every season. Arteta's transfer and wage funding was essentially secured by Arsene Wenger. Exciting times for Arsenal.
Still so underrated, the fact his teams were full of mediocre plays with some superstars is amazing, also while getting them too play a beautiful style of football
How many fans of clubs across the UK get to experience a title winning team, in fact a couple of different title winning teams..
Then how many get to see the likes of Bergkamp, Henry, Pires.. and have the likes of Gilberto, Campbell & Vieira...
Seeing them playing week in week out, with WengerBall, the most entertaining football the UK has seen.
Lucky.
The problem is people got spoiled and thought they were entitled to that.. Well.. you are not.
What Wenger did in his final years was still good, and still a good representation of Arsenal as a football club.
True gent and philosopher of football.
another link with Klopp, he managed to break the hegemony of Bayern Munich, arguably the Man United of the Bundesliga.
A league luckily not suffering from shaky sheikhs or greedy gringos, as the Premier League fell victim to...
hence why Arsenall fell back against the PL competition and Dortmund could keep their 2nd/3rd team and CL qualifier status.
Nah Dortmund still falls off to UEL regularly
Arsene held his integrity for better or worse. Great job on the vid as always. What’s the instro at the beginning?
Am I the only one who thinks it's kind of funny that Arsen-al's most famous coach is called Arsen-e?
It's a little crazy haha
His name was actually part of the reason they chose to hire him.
I am an Arsenal fan who is scared to watch Arsenal play....🥺.
Man United fans 🤝 Arsenal fans
This was a very good analysis. I had started to see Arsenal as a discount Barcelona and this provides some explanation for that in the form of Cesc Fabregas. They could very fun to watch...at times. But at least as often they could be frustrating.
From 1889 to 1998 the league was dominated by exclusively English/Scottish managers, with the exception of one Irishman. But since Ferguson retired there hasn't been a single British or Irish winner.
Crazy
As an arsenal fan, I hold tears while watching it. I seen all this in real life time.
it's like war flashbacks
I always wonder if things would have ended differently had he won that final against Barcelona. Still one of the most painful nights of my life! What could have been...
He secured Arsenals longterm future, what he came into and what he left for others to build upon were light years apart. New Stadium, World Class Academy, financially stable, the list goes on.
Another banger! LESSGO
A very good video. The only reason Arsenal were unable to compete for the title post-2004 was because of all the money being spent on the Emirates. In fact, without a manager as good as Wenger, Arsenal would never have been able to make the top four as consistently as they did. He worked wonders even with severely reduced resources.
They could have waited for 4 years
Look at the teams that have constantly beaten Arsenal (on the pitch or on the table) and its those few teams that just keep spending hundreds of millions on the best players. Arsenal did not adapt to this. On top of that, we lost the good talents we developed, and also signed some flukes. I think its this simple: our squad quality deteriorated and there were some other clubs kept improving and still do every year.
Some of our youngsters signed were amazing, but they were gone after 1 good season or even before exploding (see gnabry)
its just sad to see the greatest arsenal manager of all time being forced out of the club by the fans and kronke
if only they rejected the emirates staduim offer
Love what you do bro. I have a request tho. Can you do one on Xabi Alonso? He’s such an underrated baller that people barely talk about
@footballiconic love your videos, really in depth content. As a Portsmouth fan I would love to see you do a video about us and our rise into the premier league and subsequent fall down the divisions. Thanks keep up the good work
My favourite manager arguably the greatest in the prem
He had everything charisma, beautiful style of play, just iconic really
2nd tbh he was a great manager, a genius and legendary but if we are talking about the best sir alex wins
Emphasis on the charisma.
However, Pep’s football is still the best 😌
22 years 3 titles….
18 years without winning the league how horrible can you be
mourinho exists
While his signings and decisions leave a lot to be desired, he’s undoubtedly the reason I watched Arsenal. Not just for his achievements, but for the beautiful football the crafted throughout his time there.
Ek se my bru, as an Arsenal fan from the mid 90's this video is put together spot on. Frustrating genius of the Arsenal. Wenger revolutioised football from the late '90s, ahead of his time.Without Wenger rivalry there would never have been those Man U teams. They fueled each other and fans were rewarded,winning or not it was world class competition. Every side on the planet realised they needed to shape up or be left behind. In my opinion the 1998-2008 Arsenal teams were absolutely fantastic to watch, last of the old guard tough physical teams before them, first of the new high-paced artists that injected the Wenger philosophies and skilled enough to pull it off without making it look difficult.
I once again plead for the leicester 15/16 season breakdown, as what they did was amazing, and looking at it tactically would be very interesting
Despite everything, still missing him.
The main problem with Wenger in his later years is that he seemed to forget that the defensive side of the ball actually existed, tactically he was often lacklustre on that side of the ball (the offensive side remained pretty good throughout) and it cost Arsenal many times especially in the Champions League, he never seemed to learn or adapt and he continued to make the same mistakes over and over again so Arsenal fans like myself had seen enough at a point and justifiably wanted the club to move on which I feel happened about 5 years too late
And Fergie keep evolved over the years
@@lexkanyima2195 that is why he is the best manager in the PL
Five? More like eight
@@lexkanyima2195 fergie wasn’t improving he was just getting helps from the refs
There's no relationship like that of good ownership and good coaching that fans fail to understand so thoroughly and woefully
The Professor- we thank you. He did all he could do there. He was never fully backed by club ownership, in terms of transfer $, idk why ppl feel like current times are any different. This ownership needs to change.
@2:57 MONEY It's bloody money. 2004-2005 Chelsea win and then for the next 10 years it was Chelsea, United and City, untouchable deep pockets. 3 for Chelsea, 5 for United and 2 for City. To add insult to injury in the next 8 years after that so from 2014-2022, it's Chelsea (1), Leicester (1), Liverpool (1) and City 5 so 2 outliers but otherwise, it's the same 2 clubs. In fact
Given Arsene failed to realise that his vision for Arsenal just wasn't going to cut it, 7 clubs have won a PL title in 31 seasons. Only 4 have won multiple. The reality is that from 2004/2005 onwards in order to win a PL you had to have some deep pockets and while Leicester won in 2015-2016 Arsenal came within spitting distance in 07-08 where unfortunately they dropped crucial points after Eduardo's horrible leg break.
@9:38 Ashley Cole, Van Persie, Gnabry, Szczensy and Oxlade-Chamberlain. To name a few that were missed out.
I really think it's a shame that he did so much for the club and most fans seem to only remember the last few years. To quote batman "You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain". Wenger stayed too longer and became a villain. But I would argue that the financial burden of building the Emirates stadium meant he had to sell the best players, and the replacements gradually got worse and worse.
I think there are very few managers who would have done a better job than Wenger did, with the resources (or lack thereof) available to him.
Good vid. Should have also cited how the rules of the game were changed so radically by the new ownership at Chelsea and then Manchester City.
Video number 5 asking for a Raul video
From Schalke 04 to Real Madrid and beyond
The way he was treated by the fans was disgraceful, after everything he did for them
There were many issues and while not solely to blame, Wenger certainly contributed to them.
Tactically we struggled but in reality it came down to wasting money as much as anything.
At a time when we needed to be incredibly vigilant with funds we paid way too much to average players and not enough to our best. Our top players didn't just leave because we wanted to sell them, they weren't paid their market value and forced moves away.
Our wagebill was almost always high (at least fourth highest from what I remember) so it wasn't the total it was the allocation and Wenger was quoted as saying he wanted a more socialist wage structure.
That is how things should be in the general work force in order for everyone to be able to afford a decent quality of life however it doesn't make sense in top flight football.
A bang average squad player on £10k a week is still laughing all the way to the bank, you don't need to pay them £50k a week because someone else is getting £100k.
We also signed some absolute dross and to make matters worse we paid them huge wages that meant we couldn't move them on easily:
Henrikh Mkhitaryan
Shkodran Mustafi
Granit Xhaka
Lucas Pérez
Carl Jenkinson
Danny Welbeck
Gervinho
Etc etc
The list could go on go and that's without including players who weren't absolutely terrible, just mediocre.
Wenger's biggest strength was finding talent and instilling belief in them. Towards the end it became his biggest weakness.
Wenger was an absolutely brilliant manager, a true Arsenal legend but in the end his time was very much up.
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I believe that the problem was the fans and board demand big things right away instead of rebuilding so Wenger to use mediocre amount of money to buy mediocre players.
Great video, I have one about the same topic, interesting to analyze.
100%!
Honestly I'd listen to this man talk about anything
Such a nice voice
As an arsenal fan that went through the agony and joy of all those years, I think there's some valid points and some not so . Here's the main ppints I feel you missed -
Getting a good goalkeeper - Wenger stuck with Almunia who wasn't good enough and then Fabianski while he could have been smart and gotten a Shay given or Joe Hart from the smaller clubs.
I disagree with the move from Viera to Cesc. We also had players like Diaby who never really shone because of injuries.
Critical injuries - Eduardo was a big injury during an important and probably one of the best seasons i've seen under Arsene.
Keeping players like Denilson, Sanogo, Silvestre, Santos were big errors.
Overall Wenger was and still is a legend but he had to go, and Arsenal are rebuilding. they aren't anyway in the dumbs.
Finally I agree history will be kind to him for sure, but the decision to let him go when we did, I completely back.
@Green Harp Financial essien certainly was a beast. Kante with goalscoring ability. I thought Joe was rather good during his Birmingham and early man city years.
How many other managers would get top 4 with Chamakh, bendtner, Miguel and other mediocre players. In 2011 Arsenal had to sell clichy, fabregas and nasri who were integral players without having the necessary funds to replace them properly. It was a feat to keep us in the top 4, obviously the quality of the league was lower but it is also worth noting he held on 3-4 years too long which set us back 10 years.
Thank god someone has made an actual relevant video of what Wenger had to overcome at the club over his final decade. The fans are so passionate that their love of the badge blinded them of the reality the man was trying to overcome.
Well done on the video 👏👏👏 and keep them coming my good man.
Hurt to watch, m8. Cannot say I agree with it all, but like always, you do your research and the content is great. Some truths hurt, but such is life, especially in football.
My guy I love you 0:25 but Fergie was at United 26 years not 22. 1986/87 to 2012/13
Agreed, but I was talking specifically about the Premier League era
@@FootballIconic Ahhhhh
Tinashe for the win🏆
your voice is very soothing! x)
you are absolutely right mate, about Patrick Viera being the MVP, even if Thierry Henry and Dennis Bergkamp were the eye candies.
you were also absolutely spot on with the observation about Arsenal wanting a top four champions league finish, but did not have the ambition for more.
I cannot comment on the quality of the players and the constraints in getting the most appropriate talent.
But in the years that followed 2003-04 season, the defining feature of Arsenal's performance was that they no longer gave their 100% on the field they were so caught up in their artistry and overall were still so good that they wanted to prove this by playing only at 80%/ 70%/60% of their capacity and they could still best most teams. they progressively lost the physical toughness which Patrick Viera embodied. they were still good enough for most teams but against the top teams they got caught out. eventually falling over the cliff.
Now spider man 3 come out