270 WSM for Water Buffalo Hunting? - Season 2: Episode 31
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- Welcome to the Ron Spomer Outdoors Podcast! In this episode, I talk to Scott Grange about his water buffalo adventures!
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Who is Ron Spomer
For 44 years I’ve had the good fortune to photograph and write about my passion - the outdoor life. Wild creatures and wild places have always stirred me - from the first flushing pheasant that frightened me out of my socks in grandpa’s cornfield to the last whitetail that dismissed me with a wag of its tail. In my attempts to connect with this natural wonder, to become an integral part of our ecosystem and capture a bit of its mystery, I’ve photographed, hiked, hunted, birded, and fished across much of this planet. I've seen the beauty that everyone should see, survived adventures that everyone should experience. I may not have climbed the highest mountains, canoed the wildest rivers, caught the largest fish or shot the biggest bucks, but I’ve tried. Perhaps you have, too. And that’s the essential thing. Being out there, an active participant in our outdoor world.
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Ron hit it in the head when he said, “All that’s missing is the campfire.” Really enjoyed this chat between old friends.
That may have been the most interesting interview so far, I can’t imagine the hunting stories that you two could share!
Great interview Ron! Thanks
This was the best Podcast yet Ron
Love hearing the hunting stories!
I could listen to those stories all day. Thank you
Awesome story’s Ron. Especially the mtn sheep story 😂😂😂😂👍
Thanks more hunting stories plz. Really enjoyed this interview
Love the 270
The John browning Winchester days gone by are more browning then the browning of today!!! 👀👀
I love these sessions with the people you present, thank you Ron!
Love seeing how much they enjoyed there hunting stories I enjoyed it myself
Great video maybe my favorite so far ! Awesome sheep story a ballistic tip to the change purse had me rolling . The candid conversation about John M Browning was amazing to hear. Keep the videos coming Ron .
Another great show! Thanks.
This will be a learning post for myself. Thanks Ron, I enjoy your post and learn new things on each one. Thanks again for sharing your adventures, stories and knowledge with us all. 🎥💯👍
Boy howdy that was a fun interview with lots of good information. Thanks to both sportsman for sharing your time and adventures with us. Good hunting to you both. 👍👍👍💪🏽
Ron, great video with you and Steve. I could grab a pot of coffee and listen to you two swap stories for hours. Can tell you and Scott are truly friends. And that was the best explanation of button rifling I've ever heard. So simple yet I've had the concept wrong all these years. Keep well.
Cheers Jeff
Thank you for a wonderful evening watch Ron, you and your very knowledgeable friend made this video very interesting and informative. 😎👍
Very interesting podcast. Hunting stories, a little bit of history. Thumbs up!!
I watched the WSM family introduction over several years and decided in 2005 to make the 270 WSM my new main hunting cartridge. I bought a Winchester M70 Featherweight rifle and worked up a hand load with ReL22 and the Nosler 140 gr Accubond. I have since then acquired a Browning X-bolt in the same chambering, and to date have taken more than 40 animals with them. Species include whitetail and mule deer, pronghorn, elk, feral hogs, nilgai, wolf, black bear, and aoudad; javelina, turkey, gray fox, bobcat, and coyote have also fallen to this rifle-bullet combo. I wouldn’t hesitate to use it on bison, moose, and grizzly, either. Closest shot I’ve taken was a pronghorn buck that surprised me at 20 yards, and the longest shot I’ve made with it was a whitetail doe at 420 yards (laser-measured). As far as I’m concerned, the 270 WSM is the best all-around cartridge for North American game you can get.
Have to agree with you. Hunted with a 30-06 for 25 years. Bought a Model 70 Sporter 270 WSM about 2005. Bought a Model 70 Extreme Weather 270WSM for my son. Talked two friends into the 270WSM, one a X-Bolt Pro Long Range, the other a X-Bolt Hunter. All tac drivers. I work up loads for each rifle and they all LOVE the Barnes 129 LRX and 140 grain TSX. Antelope, deer, elk don't like it... Bang, plop, dead.
Great interview. Loved the one with Craig Boddington also. Thanks
Winston Churchill said "The further back in time one looks the further forward one can see"
History and context is so so so very important in anything.
What a wonderful Podcast. So much history and gun information you fellas shared. Thank you for sharing. Stay well and God Bless.
Love my browning 270 Winchester short magnum. ❤
I would love to have a .270 Weatherby mag and feel it would also serve for larger game. Great podcast as always Ron.
Thank you RON for the sharing that fantastic interview.👍❤️🙏
I’m ready to hear this story water buffaloes in my opinion could hurt you so quick the excitement of the hunt must be fantastic and I wonder what they taste like.
Amazing stories and information- great friends and energy! You guys would be too much fun in camp… I’m almost ready to build a custom rifle(just finished rebuilding my Dad’s 25-06) - NOW considering the 270 WSM pending my gunsmith’s input using a Mauser action. Many Thanks for the privilege of hearing your stories …
I love my 270 WSM's! 150gr @ 3100fps.
Winchester, with the innovation of their 270 short mag, points to a partition bullet combo for a heavy boned animal.
Hit em with a hammer.
Great interview Ron one of the best so far. My Browning’s sit front and Center in my safe everything else goes to the back.
Amazing podcast. This is what has always drawn me to hunting. Those unforgettable memories with my grandfather. Thank you ron and god bless brother
Superb interview. I would have liked to hear about the semi-automatic BAR's history and technical development through Mark I, Mar II and Mark III. Then, it would have been great to hear what brought the idea of the BOSS for the Mark II. But, realistically, this covered a lot of stuff. Thank you!
Thanks for this!
awesome vid,, was like hanging out with old friends
Outstanding episode! Really loved the barrel and rifling talk! I have hunted and it is ok, I just love to shoot more than hunt. Except for birds, I do love to bird hunt. Peace and Grace all!
Love this interview Ron I've always loved Browning firearms.i grew up waterfowl hunting and my stepfather shot nothing but Browning a5s light and magnum 12s and my favorite rifle I own is an abolt stainless stalker 338 win mag with the boss on it👍
Fabulous and so informative interview!
Great stories. My first rifle was a 25-06 A-bolt in a sporter size. Beautiful gun. Traded it to get my Sako 7STW and regretted it ever since because it was a great gun. My wife’s aunt worked for many years for Browning there in Morgan. Wonderful company. But let’s be honest, they say imitation is the highest form of flattery. The A-bolt was to Weatherby, what the X-bolt is to Sako. Just 2 weeks ago I was trying to work a deal on a trade for a X-bolt in 28 Nosler but fell through. Someday I hope to have one. They are truly great rifles. My shotgun is a Browning BPS and I love it!!
Swift Aframe or Barnes Tsx would work good. If you see the Great Australian Buffalo cull video, they use .308 Win Fmj on a lot of Water buffs.
Exactly what I was thinking. I have used a 270wsm 140 grain TSX on elk and everything smaller for about 10 years now. Nothing but good performance, with the farthest shot being 325 yards.
I used the Barnes using 300wsm. Head shots lights out.
Excellent!
Excellent interview, with great information. Keep up the great work!
A long time friend, now passed, picked up & exclusively used a Weatherby .270 in the early 1970's. He had truly mastered that round, and was a firm believer in it...never seemed to fail him, and he usually collected 6-8 deer a year, plus other animals on various hunts.
Ron that was a awesome pod cast with Scott Grange ! The history and development of firearms excellent ! 👍👍👍
I am a hard .300 person, and I have watched the 7mmRM from several channels, and the same for the .270, I am really interested in Both, but the .300 pulls me back every time, I also like the .338 lapua, but that is so expensive.
On the other end, there is this new guy in town the .22 Creedmoor, Josh and Jill outdoor ? on YT they really made this shine out to crazy distances with coyotes. So I am trying to learn about the .270.
Excellent guest. These are great stories. Just a pleasure to listen to.
I own a .270 WSM in an A-bolt Stalker...and I love it. This is coming from a 30-06 disciple throughout my life. I've learned from taking many many deer, that the type bullet driven IS EVERYTHING....most hunters know this. My favorites, of all .270 cal. bullets are the 130 grain Nosler Partition, and the 140 grain Accubond. Deer go to sleep rapidly when placing one of those in the shoulder. You get deep penetration, if not a complete pass through. But, you also get rapid, reliable, and controlled, expansion. I've never had bullet blow up or non expansion in either. The .270 WSM is an awesome caliber for hunting medium to large game. Now, concerning dangerous game.....I think I'd prefer the .375 or .458.....lol
My 270 wsm is also an A-Bolt. I use 140 grain Accubonds as well. Excellent combination! I just wish we could find some brass these days.
@GibsonTick In my opinion, those Accubonds and Partions are the very best bullets for big game. I also prefer the 140-grain bullet. But, they are very hard to find. I look online constantly to find them. And, when you do find them, they are so expensive that you have to take out a loan on your house just to purchase them... lol
@christopherpearson3511 haha so true! I have a large stock of them, bought years ago when I saw how well they perform, but they are getting crazy expensive. Excellent killers though! Took a mule deer last year @ 337 yards through the heart. He took one step and keeled over dead.
@@GibsonTick And, that's the goal. A kill as quickly as possible. Plus, if they even run a little, it's only a couple of steps. I've also spent a small fortune for these babies. But, I think they're the very best bullets on the market.
The 270 WSM is a fantastic hunting cartridge. Like them so much that I made sure that both my son and I each have one. I've had mine since 2005 or so. I have shot many deer, antelope, and 24 elk with it.
For many years I too thought that the 140 grain accubond and 150 grain partition were the cat's meow. Then one day I shot a deer from just over 100 yards, broadside/slight quartering. The bullet hit the front femur just below the shoulder. It simply blew up. It took me hours to find the deer as there was no blood trail and it was sage brush. The deer ran about 150 yards and died from the kinetic shock with much blood inside the thoracic cavity. Upon skinning I was amazed that the bullet didn't even penetrate the thoracic cavity.
That was the last time I used an Accubond on game. I started loading with Barnes TSXs and TTSXs. I am now loading the 129 grain LRX exclusively for all my game, up to elk. If I ever draw for moose or bison, I will load some rounds with 140 grain TSXs. Elk just drop when hit with the Barnes. Almost all shots are bang, plop. WAY better terminal ballistics performance than I ever had with Nosler. You should give Barnes a try. You will thank me later. Enjoy your 270 WSM, it's my favorite. Cheers
One of the best videos I've ever watched. Just loved the history and the stories!
FYI, my daughter uses my 30/06 for hunting water buffalo. Loaded with Woodleigh 180gr PSPs, she's hasn't had any complaints!! 👍
Thanks you 2
Hey, I got a M700 BDL, .243 win with a 3x9 Leopold scope for $249 or $299, in 1975. I was only making about $1.40 at that time, I got real job not long after that. I am not sure how many critters that rifle has put in my freezer. I still have it and still use it. It has moved from the west coast taking black tails and mule deer to Oklahoma with white tails and hogs.
That's all you need. :-)
The 1st big game rifle I ever bought was chambered in 270WSM and I've killed everything from big bull elk in Colorado down to white tails in SW Louisiana where I live and I got to say if all I could have is a 270WSM to go on an Alaskan Moose hunt I'd do it in a heartbeat. It's a cartridge that don't get enough love and I've even heard lots of people say it's almost a dead cartridge but I'll never get rid of mine. Great podcast brother keepem coming!!!
I was talking to an outfitter for brown bear on Kodiak. When I told him a religiously kill elk with my .270 Weatherby Mag, he said bring it. Too many take big boomers that they can't hit a building with due to flinch.
@@richardbartlett6701 I can believe that... and I agree if you can hit what you're shooting at then it doesn't matter how big of a cartridge you're using. Take care brother...
Have enjoyed two different 270 WSM rifles. Had plenty of success with them. Also stood by my sister in law while she took her first elk. She made a great double lung/ heart shot on the four by four, he didn't make it 50 yards.
Just wish I could still find readily available left hand bolt actions in this caliber today.
That was some great stories. I really enjoyed that video it reminded me of when I was a kid and got my first rifle a Browning A bolt 270 win. Great videos I look forward to more
Great memories
I have taken two male buffalo with a 270wsm, 150gr Nosler partition both one shot kills, being patient and shot placement is key, always waited till they turned their heads and would put it behind their ear.
Excellent time well spent. Thank you
I just bought a browning x bolt in 300 win mag and it is really accurate.
It’s an x bolt, 1,000 yard gun, moa to a long ways. I have a .308 hunter. Can’t shoot over an inch.
Man I loved this video the storys of your and Scott hunts really just put you there and get you smiling
You need to get ahold of “farleg” from hammer time forums. It’s his job to manage the nonnative species in Australia.
He’s the biggest tester of hammers on game.
Has tested very light for caliber projectiles on cattle and buffs.
His work alone has opened tons of eyes to what the hammers can do.
Great great video
The wsm and the super short were ahead of their time and unfairly criticised. However twenty years later if you shoot suppress well they outperform most other cartridges in term of efficiency, barrel and action length !
They make more sense...
I think if they would have been made to go against the weatherby cartridge instead of the win/ rem cartridges.
That they would have been a lot more popular.
Thanks
Ron, been in the 3/4 club for 33 years and still haven't drawn a Desert BH tag, so I feel your pain. Still trying though.
Great pod cast. I also agree the 270 wsm is perfect cartridge . Wish it was more available as of late as far as ammo. And will take any north american game i beleive
Wow Ron great , simply great , loved the info
Great interview Mr. Spomer.
I kinda fell into the 140gr bullet in the 270. It seems to keep decent speed, better ballistic coefficient, and good energy. Having said that I still shoot the 130 for the most part, hunting whitetail deer it’s magic.
If you can take an elephant with a .22LR…yeah a .270 should be fine for anything up to 2,500 pounds or so.
2 friends telling hunting stories. That's the good stuff normally only heard round the campfire.
Love my 270wsm A bolt stainless with the boss had it forever
The Browning BAR is more famous!
Scott seems like a heck of a guy. Lots of memories are shared and it makes for a heck of an interview and discussion. That X-bolt sure has a terrific cycling feel and I agree with Scott on the push-round feed. I shoot a few custom actions with a solid bottom receiver. I like to drop one in and shoot and it liberates me in making OAL rounds longer than magazine-only feed systems. When I hunt, I don't fill my magazine, I keep rounds close and easily accessible. I have never had a delay problem on follow-up shots. Really, I just close my hunt to a safer distance and almost always get them with one shot. I have passed up more than one trophy because I didn't have a closer range shot. Thats hunting. We are hunting not shooting
The transcontinental railroad was finished may 10th, 1869. I've seen the browning museum and this was before I was as into guns as I am now. I've seen in person the first 1911 in existence and it's beautiful.
Here in Australia the person that had the contract back in the 70's that was shooting the buffalo and transporting the meat to chillers was using a 308 he wore several rifles out during that time
...Wally Johnson (Last of the Ivory Hunters) had a client, who happened to be a woman...that used a 7x57 Mauser on Cape Buffalo. After watching her shoot, and seeing that she had quite a bit of skill...he allowed her to try the little gun on Buff......and was astonished how her shot placement was so good...that she dropped the buff with one shot. Shot placement was the tenet of W.D.M. Bell's life as an elephant hunter....and it seems to be forgotten, that you need to hit them right to make them hit the ground. His use of even the diminutive .256 Gibbs on elephant was well known...and the only way he could do it because his shot placement was perfect....
Visions of Browning traveling with one of his creations wrapped in butcher paper, golden....
I live in NT and have shot them with a 270 wsm and 338win but 416rigby I use is by far better suited especially at close quarters
Spam? Heck ya!
If pan frying use regular spam then toast flower tortillas in the same pan. As for open fire cooking, use the low sodium spam and a good squirrel cooker spit to rotate the meat brick. It doesn't get better than that.
The gun shop I used to work at had a Winchester high wall that was stamped made in Ogden Utah it was in rough shape but it was cool to have a rifle that was made by the Browning Brothers!
Awesome
Awesome talk get him out after his buff life is to short brother go get em
I like these videos because most of the arms you talk about here I have in my collection the A bolt in 270WSM with shiny wood stock you both will die for I really made a good decision grabbing it from an older gentleman that was death so I promised him I would take care of it and its still with me shiny and i have the Xbolts in many caibers colors and calibers as well I love those rifles well made but expensive worth it though. I also grabbed some of those Belgium made semi auto Brownings in 338 and other calibers.
That's hilarious Ron you shot the Rams balls lol I could not stop lauphing . I watched this video multiple times I never paid attention this time I did and I fought it lol. I like these hunting stories each one of them has its own taste. Hope you guys live long enough to tell more all this stuff is iriplacable to be honest I wish I was involved as well one way or another I own so many arms and no time and place to shoot one round thanks to the boring state of California
Great stories
I said to myself.. a 48÷ minute interview, I'm not gonna watch that.. and proceeded into watching it and am glad I did.
I had a lot of different calibered, actions brands of rifles in my lifetime and studied the ballistics from what was printed in the Shooters Bible for years and through the years. At one time I was gonna buy a 264 WM, that was my choice of a long range rifle. BUT.. I hunt in Penns Woods, what do I need a long range rifle for. I settled for a Browning BLR in 284 Win. I loved the cartridge and the rifle, and took a few buck and one black bear with it. My son took it out to Colorado Springs were he was stationed. When he was deployed to Afghanistan it was stolen from his storage unit along with a half dozen other firearms. ANYWAY, I bought a couple of AB3 Hunters in the meantime and yes, a 270wsm. My question is, because the ballistics aren't in print that I have found, what 6.8 Western is the least grain bullet that "they" don't going below.? And is there much of a difference between the 6.8 Western and the 270wsm.?
Thanks.
Ralph, th elighest 6.8 Western bullet loaded to date is a 160-grain, but handloaders can easily work with 150, 130, probably even 110-grains. The point of the 6.8, however, was to enable longer, higher B.C. bullets in .277 to shine.
Thanks Ron.. I'll set up and use my 270wsm as my "one" hunting rifle. Like you said a couple of podcasts ago you loved the 284 Win. and I feel the same but it is gone. The 270Win was what I wanted but in a short action, so I picked the 284.. and now it's the 270wsm.. BTW, I have a 6.8 Western ordered.. I'll save that one for one of my grandson. Thanks again.
Hi Ron in Australia in the early 60tys there was a team of butcher's chasing buffalo
And butchering them in a mobile cooler and they only used a .308 or 303 and seem to drop them very well judging from the old movie
Never crawled into the Fail Safe train. Just seemed to be built for tough critters. The years after it released I started running into guys that were losing animals hit solid with that bullet. Only to lose the animal due to lack of blood.
I found the Win Supreme 130gr to work great on anything I am hunting in the Ozark mountain range. And it will canoe a coyote in impressive fashion.
I’d bet with the same placement you wouldn’t need a follow up with a 375 H&H though? Also love the new model 70’s. I’d love to see how that new long range MB would shoot in 300 wsm
You can buy a spring kit for the trigger in a A bolt both of mine has a two LB pull.
I have a 270wsm and the moose and deer I have shot normal drop. No tracking lol. They dump a lot of energy. Great round
I disagree on 270 win is not for 150grs. My 270 loves the 145 eldx and 150 ablr. I don't see any reason why 270 win can't handle 150grs.
It would be really cool to run a permanent reproduction of the Winchester 1895`s in 30-06, there's alot of history and its an unknown firearm by alot people, but definitely would love to have one.
My dad loved the .270 and I think like O'Connor it could take anything,but I don't have that ability to place it . There was an author on Black powder that took a charging Bison with a 54 caliber ball. I was saved by a farm dog by a charging Holstein. I wouldn't go next to a bull with anything less than the largest cartilage available,but if you can place and keep calm a 270 probably can take anything. Dad was a Browning and O'Connor fan and he definitely could place his shots under pressure . He carried his M1 Grande from Normandy to Bastogne.
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Yup. Winchester screwed up on the browning A5 deal!!! Ol FN scored on Winchesters stupidity for that!
Shot placement is key....My father killed two moose with a 22lr
Great interview. He's a .270 fan and worked for Browning and Winchester, kinda surprised the new 6.8 western wasn't brought up.
Maybe we can get Scott on again to cover that.
Thank you for sharing your great adventures with your mates. Love it!
The description of button-rifling, is a little over simplified. The button (which can be either pushed or pulled) looks more like a bullet that has already been shot. In other words the grooves and lands are at an angle and not straight ahead. This makes the button naturally rotate as it is pulled or pushed though the barrel. The "machine similar to a lathe" helps ensure the button travels and rotates smoothly so the rifling is consistent. That machine helps with the process but does not have to do ALL of the twisting work.
Ron and Scott were not talking about exactly the same thing when Ron asked "does it spring back at all'. I think that Ron's question was about springback during the rifling process. The answer is "yes", so the button has to be a little larger diameter than what is desired inside the rifled barrel. Exactly how much bigger depends upon the wall thickness, diameter and other properties of the barrel material. I think that Scott's comment was more about the button wearing and getting smaller diameter, although he did mention the "relaxing" of the material being rifled.
FWIW, a rep from the Faxon barrel making company mentioned (in a Forgotten Weapons interview) that even more "relaxing" of button rifling can occur in a machine gun barrel if it gets too hot from extended firing. Apparently chrome lining helps reduce that a little.
Thanks for the extra details, Fess.
I agree I’d use the .270 Wsm I’ll die on the .270 hill, only difference is I use the 150 grain