The Queen Reaches a Conclusion About Her Favorite Child | The Crown (Olivia Colman, Tobias Menzies)
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- čas přidán 12. 05. 2024
- Philip (Tobias Menzies) asks Elizabeth (Olivia Colman) if she has reached a conclusion about who's her favorite child, her response it that all four children of hers are lost.
From Season 4, Episode 4: Favourites
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Tobias Menzies does such a good job at portraying an older Matt Smith
Matt Smith mate
@@nikhilpatel7832 good lord, thank you!
They are a powerhouse acting team!
And the way both of them acted in a universe by George R. R. Martin!
@nikhilpatel7832, Get a life.
It's really sad that the kids' immediate reaction to a simple invitation is "What have I done now?" or if there is bad news, showing the kind of relationship they had with Elizabeth.
Indeed! It really struck me when Andrew was the only one who met her with a wide, happy smile. He knew how to charm and m*nipulate her, certainly, but there is also the distinct feeling that he's the only one who feels a real connection with her, to the point where he WANTS to see her, and doesn't question why she wants to see him.
Shame about the real life Andrew, of course :/
Remember that The Crown is a dramatisation, not a documentary.
@@mck2021 there's always one 😅 WE KNOW DEAR.
you do know this is crap
Since when do we censor the word manipulate????
Prince Philip didn't understand that it isn't so easy to sort yourself out as an adult when you've been emotionally damaged as a child. A good therapist and a lot of diligent work can get you there, though. Everyone deserves to have this, too.
I would say that Philip had a rather
"damaging" childhood. At least
concerning his parents. A father
(Prince Andrew of Greece and Denmark)
who had absconded with the family's
money to live with his mistress in
southern France; a mother (née Princess
Alice of Battenberg --who was known as
Princess Andrew of Greece and Denmark)
had been declared insane and institutionalized
for several years after her husband's abandonment.
Prince Philip , Duke of Edinburgh, and his 4 older
sisters were raised by their maternal grandparents;
" *Louis Alexander Mountbatten, 1st Marquess of*
*Milford Haven* (1854 - 1921), formerly Prince Louis Alexander of Battenberg, was a British naval officer
and German prince related by marriage to the British royal family." --- Wikipedia
AND
" *Princess Victoria of Hesse and by Rhine*, then [as]
Princess Louis of Battenberg, later Victoria Mountbatten, Marchioness of Milford Haven (1863 -1950), [who] was the eldest daughter of Louis IV,
Grand Duke of Hesse and by Rhine, and Princess
Alice of the United Kingdom, daughter of Queen
Victoria and Prince Albert of Saxe-Coburg and
Gotha." -- Wikipedia
After his grandfather died, he was raised by his
grandmother and spent his holidays with the
Mountbatten
Prince Philip's maternal aunt was the Queen
of Sweden. He didn't see her much.
Neither Philip nor Elizabeth came from a generation that had a grasp of psychology and therapy.
@@Pdmc-vu5gj
Exactly!
That generation just gritted their teeth
and carried on, as did their parents'
generation and many generations before
them. Survival was the name of the game
for most people throughout mankind's'
history
@@here_we_go_again2571 When we think of what the people of that Greatest Generation went through, it’s small wonder that they didn’t value talking about “feelings” much. That way lay dragons. The only way to keep standing and sloughing through an often terrible set of circumstances without giving into despair and having it take them down was to bury the pain of loss deep and keep buggering on with things they could control. This was for physical survival but also for mental survival. Elizabeth and Philip came from privileged backgrounds, but even they experienced the deprivations and uncertainty of war. Philip essentially lost both of his parents at a very tender age And suffered further loss when his sister and her entire family perished in a plane crash. Homeless, penniless…devoid of his family. A person in that situation has two choices: Knuckle down and become an incredibly strong character, Teflon…. Or go to pieces and lose his mind and maybe end his own life. Philip chose the former course and his children paid the price for that, principally his eldest. But what a colorful life he had and he really turned the basically constitutionally meaningless job of consort into a life of purpose. As for Elizabeth, she was emotionally distant for different reasons. I suspect her emotional detachment came from possibly mildly autistic tendencies as we would call it now, or possibly Emotional retreat was her personal way of coping with her overbearing narcissistic mother. Despite the idyllic pictures of childhood presented by the media, I think Lilibet and Margaret were under their mother’s thumb all their lives. Their dear Papa Doted on them but his wife wore the pants in the family. The lady who terrified Adolf Hitler would certainly have been formidable in her own family circle. Charles was spoiled by this grandma, and her smothering love didn’t do his character many favors. He had the misfortune to be an emotionally needy child born to two emotionally unavailable parents. In every respect Britain might’ve been better off if his sister Anne had been born to be the Queen. There are distinct advantages to not being a pile of emotional mush when one has to wear a Crown.
He didn't? With his own personal history? He certainly did.
Olivia Coleman's nuanced acting here is brilliant. She says so much just by giving a certain look, or nodding her head a certain way. A pleasure to watch.
Tobias Menzies and Olivia Coleman are powerhouse actors here. Watching them is like watching a beautiful masterful work of art. Chefs kiss !
These two are powerhouse actors. My god it’s like looking at a beautiful masterful piece of art.
What makes me sad is that Philip didn’t even try to defend Charles. He just said that he has always been lost. It is sad that his relationship with his eldest son and child is that damaged.
At least he redeemed himself by encouraging William to make peace with Charles.
Did he actually say that about Charles in real life?
It’s a television show. There’s little doubt that Charles and Philip had a rough relationship but this conversation is entirely fictional, scripted for an excellent drama but nothing more.
@@robertisham5279never publicly. This was an entirely fictional conversation.
@@lordalessanin the show. But don’t forget this is entirely fictional, scripted entirely for an excellent television show but nothing more.
Unfortunately, the late Queen was not exactly June Cleaver. This trait of not really feeling a lot for your kids can be inherited. Queen Mary was famous for being a horrible mother with little natural affection for them. And she was Elizabeth's grandmother.
Queen Victoria didn't like her children much either, particular her eldest son, whom she blamed for her beloved Albert's death. She said and wrote terrible things about her children and treated some with great cruelty. But her mother was a horrible mother too.
@ KrisKk08
Personality traits can be
inherited. I think that
HMTQ just needed a
pre-natal class or two
or three to get the hang
of it.
But back then, nobody
did that sort of thing;
unless a class was for
poor people whom
society assumed did
not know how to care
for their children.
Skip forward two generations;
I remember Catherine and
William having some sort of
sessions with pre-delivery/
pre-natal nurses Also, William
was an EMT and EMT pilot.
Charles did change William's
and Harry's diapers. I think
if the marriage had not been
so fractious that he would
have spent more time with
the boys.
I somehow can't invision
Prince Philip changing
nappies. BUT he was
a royal naval officer who
had served on a combat
ship during WW2 -- So
he might have been
able to do it.😁
@@here_we_go_again2571 And I'm sure becoming a queen at 25, with two toddlers didn't help. Didn't she and Philip go on a world tour for a long time shortly after becoming queen? How can a kid not feel abandoned when your parents are suddenly traveling the world and too busy for you. If she could have been a mother as heir for more years, raised her children to an age where they could understand what was going on and why things changed the way they did...
@@jenniferdaniels701
Yes that Commonwealth tour(s) was
what George VI and his consort were
planning on doing before he became
ill.
The Commonwealth (a trading
and cultural bloc) was George VI's
pet, post-WW2 project. It still is
a great idea.
@@here_we_go_again2571 I think it's a good idea, too. But the timing of the tour wasn't good for the family as a family. As The Firm, it was business as usual- George VI can't make it, okay, send in his replacement, Elizabeth II.
This honestly sounds like prolonged postpartum depression to me..
she never had the time to be a mother to her young children, Charles wasn’t even three when George VI first became ill and Elizabeth was taking over many of his duties. I do think her relationship with all her children improved by her eighties and definitely in her nineties, but it was so tough to be given such a responsibility at just 25.
Everything is "depression" nowadays 🙄😑
@@gein87 Or...it might be better mental health literacy. Just a thought ✌️
@@gein87 I agree with you
@@gein87
People felt depressed back
then too. They just coped
with it in different ways.
Including some, being
institutionalized, if their
coping skills were poor
OR their depression very
deep (melancolia)
With the right spouses Charles, Anne and Edward turned out all right. Poor Andrew is the spoiled brat who is hopelessly lost.
That's very true.
Andrew never would have
stood for a woman who
tried to dominate him.
Fergie just "went with the
flow" Neither of them are
deep thinkers.
@@here_we_go_again2571 Huh? Camilla SUPPORTS HM. Catherine supports William.
@@Pisti846
Yes, Camilla, unlike Diana, supports Charles! Catherine supports Wiliam
and Sophie supports Edward. Even
Fergie supports Andrew (they have
remained friends over the years)
Princess Anne's husband is also very
supportive of her and vice versa.
@@here_we_go_again2571Diana supported Charles, but she didn't allow him to have a mistress. Fergie didn't care about Andrew sexcapades because she did so herself. If these facts made you think Fergie was the supportive spouse instead of Diana, I pity the person who would become your spouse.
It's hilarious that Philip compliments Liz on having been a largely absent parent.
Philip truly loved Elizabeth.
What do you expect him
to say?
"Yeah you messed up?"
*No!* He tried to ease her
pain and anxiety. There
was nothing she could
do at that time about
things that happened
years before!
@@here_we_go_again2571 There's another option; he could suggest they do better from that moment on.
A woman who has clearly been the child/grandchild of emotionally remote mothers could not offer her own children what she never had. Elizabeth did the best she could with this limitation and her adult children came to appreciate this.
She made up for it by being the Best Grandmother she could be.
She tried to keep her grandchildren away from their mother's funeral.
Considering how much Harry didn’t want to walk and how angry it made him being forced, she was right. I remember thinking at the time it was cruel for them to have to walk having suddenly lost their mother. It was child abuse, they were children! They shouldn’t have been put on public display.
EDWARD turned out fine.....
and now that CHARLES has CAMILA by his side , he is doing great
He's a totalitarian WEF hypocrite.
😬
Very entertaining. Wonderful acting. but no one can know which topics Elizabeth and Phillip discussed in private, let alone the jist of their conversations.
This isn’t a documentary.
I think we do know that it was never this topic.
MOST of this show is contrived.....
May God rest our Queen for a job incredibly well done.
@@kittykatz4001 It's not a documentary??? Oh my God!!! How on earth did you figure that out? And thank you for being the first person (and not the MILLIONTH person) to point this out in the comments section. Thank you for sharing with us your superior ability to see these things. You are an impressively intelligent person.
They never had a chance. They didn't have a mother, they had a monarch.
Anne said she had very loving parents. Just they were away a lot.
@@MsJubjubbirdYou can’t be “loving” if you aren’t there.
Agree. 💯
Harsh
@@cje3247 she means that when they were there, they were very involved and nurturing. In an interview she was talking about the bedtime stories her father would come up with and such. And they sent letters and things when they were away. Just their jobs required them to travel
Philip knew that she was right, but there was no point in him pressing the point further because it would hardly have helped her to blame herself. It was too late for regrets: what was done was done, and no remorse or depression was going to change facts. She was a prisoner of her time and always went with the flow and buried her head in the sand hoping that problems would magically disappear if she didn't look at them. She had neither the strength, nor the education that would have allowed her to stand up to those bullies like Churchill or Lascelles, who shaped the first years of her reign and set her up for a disastrous approach to family life.
This conversation NEVER happened, it is an entirely fictional event, scripted by the writer's immagination for the TV show. You then like some silly little school child try to make something of fiction about the royal Family. Foolish, foolish child!
Alas, she had a job to do that did NOT allow ignoring her ministers.
She provided a supportive upbringing as she had received.
Given the post 1960 social prbadly. of society, she didn't do too bafly.
Stick around and keep breathing...for all our sakes. Truer words...
Her strength and stay.....
For “royalty”, they lose some of their humanity.
Not some but 99 %humanity out of 100%
@ tconcotelli
If her father had lived longer;
and if the world situation post-
WW2 and during the earliest
days of the Commonwealth
had been more peaceful (i.e.
no Cold War with Joe Stalin
threatening to take over Europe
and China going Communist)
the situation would have been
very different for Elizabeth II.
She loved being a naval officer's
wife and she made quite a few
friends (and had a "normal" life)
when she was only Princess
Elizabeth.
It’s crazy cause her mother and the king were so involved so how when and where did it not translate for her
When Charles and Anne were little , she was busy starting her reign, she was the original working mum , by the time Andrew and Edward were born in the 1960's she was able to spend more time with them, No parent is perfect but all four knew their mum loved them .
@@sarahudson108yet Andrew turned out to be the one with the most issues in real life.
@sarahudson108 Please she sent them to live with her parents and Margaret while Philip was in the Navy
En cual cabeza puede caber.. hacerle saber a un hijo que :
"su hermano es el hijo preferido de su madre...."
tanto lujo y tanto dinero, para tan poca educación y mínima sabiduría....!!!
Remember she was 26yo when she became Queen. She was the youngest world leader and Head of an Empire.
On top of all that she had to be a mother as well.
All because of a responsibility forced on her by a selfish, irresponsible, disloyal uncle Edward III, a man with no honour.
Her Late Majesty carried the Nation and The Commonwealth on her back for 70 years.
May God give her a well-deserved rest.
What a pitiful lot they are. Just one constant,
long, never-ending car crash.
What a ridiculous system to make a family so insanely privileged but also so intensely miserable.
William and his family are fine.
These two are such powerhouse actors, we forget it’s not the real Royal family. Coleman and Menzies are chefs kiss 😘
Yeah. I don't believe they had any kind of self revelations about the grim parenting or that they ever had a conversation like this.
Gente esse homem é lindo demais pra mim ganha de longe dos outros dois principes Philip esse ultimo foi o pior, chato pra um caramba
It's fiction!! 😂😂
It’s a script. A story. Fiction!
This is but the real Family is exactly like this.
Historical Fiction =
To fill in the gaps from
diaries, testimonies,
interviews, etc..
Not historical fact --
A blending of fact
and fiction.
¡Hola, buenas tardes! ⛅
Favorite child, lol!! Shouldn't be sth like that. Philip triggered the point of who the "champ" is the Coleman(Elizabeth) is more divided between being a mother and Queen. Like the mistakes i made in the youth(2 firsts) the repairing with the next one's 2.0 but seem worried with the road are taken at that time line!! My opinion is before death and facing God judgement there's no much place of favorites, more like a soul how can be saved and pass the other kingdom, the "Kingdom of Heaven".
What about Andrew? Has he changed?
No. Andrew was always
a spoilt, entitled brat.
Philip was chiefly concerned
with Charles and Anne. Elizabeth
busied herself with the younger
two boys.
Philip did not neglect Andrew
or Edward, but they came
along several years after
Charles and Anne. Philip
was not overly involved
with the younger two
boys. As they grew older,
they also bonded with him.
You do realise that none of the private conversations actually happened? Why speculate on what is essentially a fictional account of conversations that no one knows if they even happened, let alone who said what to whom. The makers of the series have repeatedly refused to put a disclaimer at the beginning of each show stating that the show is a work of fiction as they believe people understand that they made up these private scenes and conversations for dramatic purposes. Apparently not if some of the comments here are an example.
I feel like Andrew was bred of a mom who spoiled him, a racist dad, all the money in the world, and a family unit that rarely showed loving affection. Lethal combination.
Let’s face it - they were terrible parents.
How could parents have a favorite child, how awful is that!
Every parent has a favorite child that is just reality lol
Like Philip said, any honest parent will admit to having a favorite child. That doesn't mean that you don't love the other children.
I think everyone has a favourite. That’s pretty normal
Jesus ANDREW was the favorite? If there is any truth to this then that explains…a lot.
Very awkward scene. There's no chemistry whatsoever. They are completely strangers forced to act. Such rusty feeling overwhelms that room like toxic smoke from the cigars.
in days of social media thoughts like - Am/Was I good mother appear fashionable. Outside of social media such bull crap did not exist. The bond between child and mother is unique. It is something that is business of the child and the mother alone. Others opinion do not matter in this case.
Sadly, mothers have been hurting themselves with the “was/am I a good mother” question for much longer than social media has been around. Well, at least in the U.S., which is where my experience is. It seemed like that question started in the last two decades of the 20th century (for the U.S.). But I agree that social media has made it worse.
@@Elizabeth-tq7qw Thats same as asking one self am I best version of myself - its part of continuous improvement. What social media has done is forced mothers to look at mothers around them and then judge themselves based on others experiences of motherhood. That is so so sick at every level. Every mum-child relationship is unique. The twinkle in ur childs eyes will communicate, the trust the child places in u..the bond u feel towards the child will tell u whether u experienced the joys of motherhood...nothing else..
Before social media there were the magazines. I am sure most parents do the best job they can.
@@MsJubjubbirdNot all.
@@MsJubjubbird really..I thought this was due to social media invention. Too much intrusion into what is very a private thing. Some parents have stronger nesting instinct than others. Not sure what these magazines and social media channels are selling and why do they find an audience.
Very awkward scene. There's no chemistry here whatsoever. They are completely strangers forced to act. Such rusty feeling overwhelms that room like toxic smoke from ghe cigars.
Who gives a f?