"She Is Our Caesar" | The Crown (Olivia Colman, Charles Dance)
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- Dickie (Charles Dance) explains to the Daily Mirror crew how a coup works, emphasizing that without the Queen's support, they can't proceed with the plan.
From Season 3, Episode 5: Coup
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"Ok... What about Casterly Rock? Had there been any coup?"
"Never."
"Officially there never was a rebellion in Castamer"
That 'never' I read in tywins voice.
But there are a lot of incests.
@@rjofusetsudzin8011 Unofficially, approximately 20 years after we were created, a special detachment of the 501st Legion was dispatched to Casterly Rock with orders to eradicate an army of Lannisters that had been raised to take arms against the Empire.
…always pays their debts
I could listen to Charles Dance reading pretty much anything.
Superb voice. He could probably read a death sentence and the condemned man would give him a standing ovation!
Absolute treasure, as befits The Patrician.
What a fool 😂
If he and Judi Dench ever coupled up the world would freeze solid with the Britishness of it all
@@youseeit916 Maybe in one of those bone-dry Brit comedies? Or since I can't get Tywin out my head, a series where the character, dying after being shot by Tyrion, sees his whole life in retrospect, but he is accompanied by his wife Joanna (had she lived to old age and played by Dench) and they provide commentary and narration.
When he states “She is our Caesar“ and the next shot is of the Queen riding a horse doing a hand gesture to something out of view. Great cinematographic touch.
Sad
and unlike caesar, the queen died of natural causes.
Charles Dance could pretty much read a menu and I'm pretty much listening.
You are pretty much right
😂 (that's a yes)
Tywin Lannister is at it again.
Doing what he does best regardless of the universe / timeline 😎
"Do you really think a crown gives you power?"
@@lukethomas.125 In this case, yes.
With Bronze Yohn Royce as one of his co-conspirators, as well.
🤣
“Lord Mountbatten was every inch of a king, yet he wears no crown”
-maestor einstien
I sure taught the Japanese a thing or two...
“You will marry the night king and that’s final, the family name demands you do your duty”
He has such casual gravitas. You believe this man is a leader, a tactician, and not the one to trifle with. Fantastic actor.
Check out Tywin Lanister Game of Thrones
More gravitas than the real Mountbatten had.
Lord Yohn Royce and Lord Tywin Lannister plot together to seize the Iron Throne.
He also played Chief Inspector Hyne in Andor.
Thought I recognized him, good call out
I know! I thought the Royce’s hated the Lannisters.
@@imissnewspapersHe also played the chief of the military in the drama where Charles breaks up parliament like his namesake a few years ago. King Charles goes to him and says he might have to take on the parliament and asks where his and his military’s loyalties are and he says we swear an oath to the king, and to the king we will serve. So badass
Charles really has a gift for playing machiavellian characters. He also did a great job as the narrator for the Netflix docuseries Ottoman.
I knew I that I knew his voice from somewhere
and the Disney+ Series Savage Kingdom (Essentially GoT but with lions/animals)
We need Charles Dance to describe the current volatile situation going on in the Europe, Asia and Africa.
"I have seven continents to look after, and three of them are in open rebellion."
America, Australia and Oceania: Are a a joke to you?
And America
No offense to Christopher Walken, but I’m still bummed that Charles Dance wasn’t cast as Shaddam IV in Dune Part 2.
I know he has that command to him that very few have. However I feel the emperor should look about 40 due to spice making him look younger than 100 years old.
Nah that would've been a little too on the nose lol.
I adore Mr Dance, but I disagree, precisely *because* he exudes such power and authority. ShaddamIV used to possess these qualities, but over his long reign they have given way to complacency and ineffectuality imho.
@@gozerthegozarian9500Boom.
Shaddam IV wasn't a notable enough ruler, he was mediocre at best.
That's the craziest thing I've ever heard in living memory: and Charlie Dance just made it sound plausible 😂
The mark of a true (and dangerous) leader!
Ask Jefferson Davis.
Charisma
@@tonyburzio4107 in living memory. How old are you?
@@MrDicelingNot much of a leader
She is our Caesar.
My favorite line of the whole 6 seasons.
*Caesar ;)
Kaiser
Tzar
@tobiasphilippwittlinger8753 England's system was more akin to the German Empire's Kasier. Russian Empire with the Tzar was way too vulnerable, and the Constitution wasn't exactly concrete amid the later revolutions after Napoleon's defeat against the Romanov dynasty for nearly a century.
@@benusmaximus3601 ty
As Korean i got surprised that the coup conducted by Park Chung Hee was mentioned in the script. lol
South Korea is far more important in the world stage, than people give it credit for.
This happens before the coup of Chun do Hwan alas. Park's coup was far less...thoughtful.
Why Korea will not be mentioned??? It is quite important to the world.
That’s America spreading democracy for you.
@@zeitgeistx5239 It had nothing to do with America.
This episode made me have even more admiration for Her Majesty. How many of us could stand up like that to an older relative with a high intimidation value?
Even if she had consented to it, there would have been a serious possibility of civil war. The source of what brought these men together was the industrial unrest caused by Marxists who controlled the trade unions and the labour government's repeated capitulation to their outrageous demands which had crippled the British economy.
Some of the union leaders at the time were later exposed as Soviet agents. All it would have taken was for a few large weapon shipments to be smuggled into the country by the USSR and there almost certainly would have been gun battles in every British city in resistance to the coup.
She had all the power and he had none except that which came through her, and they both knew it.
Oh please. This is a TV show about the crown. Not an exact or even accurate depiction of the events. First what's shown here is completely blown up for drama purposes and second it's not factual since Moundbatton was not involved in the alleged plots against Harold Wilson as he expressed it as treason and left the meeting according to wittnesses. I quote :
"In his 1976 memoir Walking on Water, Hugh Cudlipp recounts a meeting he arranged at the request of Cecil King, the head of the International Publishing Corporation (IPC), between King and Lord Mountbatten of Burma, then-Prince Charles' great uncle and mentor. The meeting took place on 8 May 1968. Attending were Mountbatten, King, Cudlipp, and Sir Solly Zuckerman, the Chief Scientific Adviser to the British government.
(...)
Mountbatten asked for the opinion of Zuckerman, who stated that the plan amounted to treason and left the room. Mountbatten expressed the same opinion, and King and Cudlipp left."
@@CrniWukYes I know the story is not well documented. But a long time ago in the book "Up Front" Bill Mauldin wrote something that stuck with me: sometimes the stories written/spread about a person are illustrative even if the stories themselves are not true. The fact the screenwriters put Elizabeth in the role of standing up to her formidable uncle-in-law, and the audience ate it up, says a lot. To contrast, has anyone ever heard a story of Donald Trump acting generous, patriotic or self-effacing? No and you never will.
@CrniWuk precisely, had it gone any further than that meeting they knew that the death penalty still stood for high treason, and any action going against the prime minister was effectively going after the monarchy itself as the prime minister is at the behest of the monarch in charge of the country. The monarchy does not forget what the country did to Charles the first and their siding with the coup would have put her own head in peril had the coup gone badly and lead to civil war with the coup failing. She was never going to back them.
Tywin playing the game of thrones once again.
And never wins
it’s a really good thing that David (Duke of Windsor) was too busy mooning over Wallis and buying her affections otherwise he might have realized just how much power he had as the monarch - scary thought - David: hello, Adolf - am ready for that coup we were talking about Hitler: good - tell your RAF to stand down - no need for a war - we’ll be right over to hang up Nazi banners and … 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
David abdicated in 1935, he probably didn't know who Hitler was then
Much like the US President is the commander in chief that does not guarantee the military will follow his orders without question. So yes, David could have ordered them to stand down but no guarantee they'd listen. The important part to remember is this is post WW1 UK the same UK that caused the royal family to change its household name because of hatred for Germans. So highly unlikely that would have worked. Now for Elizabeth the II though it could have been a possibility.
What's scarier is our boy Charlie is very much in bed with the current would-be dictators, and may well ask him to do exactly the same thing.
I don't think it's out of the bounds of possibility that he may do just that 'for the common good' of course.
I am convinced that "David's" pro-Nazi sympathies were known as well as his desire to rule and just reign, and these were the reasons he was forced to abdicate. But, let's say David was smart enough to hang around. Maybe WW2 ends with a negotiated peace and the Nazis controlling Europe. Maybe the Tories became more right-wing. Maybe Labour never enters or forms a Government. And, if Wilson does in the 1960's, Mountbatten goes to Edward VIII, not Elizabeth, and presents the case for "Caesar", wouldn't Edward jump at it?
Idk for an empire that was so prideful of being the vanguard of human civilization, answering to no-one, and hating the "Krauts", submitting to Germany would have been outrageous to every level of social class. A coup? Maybe. Nazi banners? No.
Charles Dance is such an amazing actor
When he said which brings me to the fifth element, I was half expecting Layloo to walk out.
You can always ASK. Doesn't mean you'll get a yes.
Keep it coming with the crown videos please. My favorite scene
You say that in every video.
@@sarcasticstartrek7719 he must really mean it
Tywin is pretty chill
Slight slip - 'train stations' . They were always called 'railway stations'.
Charles Dance performs this scene impeccably. Just a masterful performance.
I love his acting skill. ❤
Good job Madge told them where to stick their coup.
This is fake. This meeting never took place like that.
@@CrniWuk how do we know this?
Labour were in power at this point in time, not the Conservatives, Maggie wasn’t the Prime Minister yet.
@@madcapmagician3130 "Madge" was one of the nicknames used for Her Majesty. Majesty -Madge.
Not Maggie.
As pointed out by madcap, it was Labour and Harold Wilson who were in power ... hence the 'need' for a coup (against Socialism) by Old School Establishment types. This is a very believable scene.
Well she found out before he asked and she gave him a very clear 'NO!'
Had it been anyone else other than Mountbatten, he of great war service and Royal blood, they would have been arrested for Subversion. Note not Treason becasue he was against the Government not the Monarch.
Beautifully played by Dance though.
God bless queen Elizabeth. No other after shall be her eaqual.
Except for literally any decent person ever. This show is biased. Take ten minutes to educate yourself.
Yes she pissed away the country now the country pisses on her.
What about Elizabeth the 2nd?
If Charles Dance wants to organize a coup, I'm in!
It seems odd to me that throughout the series, the queen was asked several times to use her power to overthrown governments and remove prime ministers. To me it just sound useless considering that almost every prime minister was failing in one way or another. The monarch should indeed let the politicians deal with the mess they made themselves.
Except perhaps in an unprecedented extreme situation, a monarch removing a democratically elected leader will never go over well. If, say, Mountbatten's scheme had succeeded here and Harold Wilson was ousted undemocratically, I can guarantee you that either the UK would currently be a dictatorship or they would have long done away with their monarchy. It's precisely because the British monarchy has remained politically neutral and simply maintained an advisory role that they've lasted to this day whereas so many others European monarchies are a relic of history. Many people like the image of the monarchy, but far fewer would be willing to actually have their lives dictated by non-elected public figures in modern western society.
@@EXCLMaker I agree.
Very very very interesting that it was a step to far to do this in the UK.... but she did precisely this in Australia... just a couple of years before Thatcher in the UK the non-consecutive Labor gov in Australia was famously dismissed in the the Queens name.
Well, that depends on what's going on about the Place...It needs a 'Gentle' pair of Experienced Hands to Steady the runaway Horse !!!
@@oipic Governor-General John Kerr did it without the consulting the Queen. Even Gough Whitlam repeatedly stated it.
The only involvement the Queen had was several months prior to the dismissal when Kerr wrote to her private secretary Martin Charteris asking for clarification on whether he had the authority to dismiss Whitlam or if Whitlam had the authority to dismiss him. Charteris replied that in the event, she would be inclined to side with her Prime Minister.
I just love Charles Dance! Such an imposing figure!
This is fascinating. I think the notion of Mountbatten trying to mount a coup is fictional, but the idea of the monarch's vast reserved powers being used for this purpose is an interesting scenario. Those reserved powers, such as the ability to unilaterally dissolve parliament, arrest people without due process, or to actively command the military, exist as a check on potential abuses of power by elected officials - for example some sort of constitutional coup by a rogue prime minister. The Crown cleverly turned this scenario on its head, with a coup-maker trying to manipulate the monarch into using her reserved powers to overthrow the established order. If something along those lines did occur, it would likely bring about the end of the monarchy sooner or later.
Ever since the English Civil War and the Glorious Revolution there's been the unspoken understanding that the Crown maintains those reserve powers at the pleasure of Parliament. They could exercise them, yes... but if they did so, they risk the existence of the monarchy itself. Therefore, they would only be exercised in the most extreme sort of case. My usual examples are from WW2, when governments were in impossible situations. Positive examples are King Michael's coup in Romania, Victor Emmanuel's dismissal of Mussolini, or the Norwegian royal family giving the government-in-exile legitimacy. The negative side of the ledger is going to point straight at King Leopold's surrender and subsequent collaboration with the Germans to try and secure the least damage for Belgium during the war.
These are great points. It does seem like the reserve powers only exist to address very extreme circumstances. Trump's rise to the presidency in the US and his attempts at a coup are good reminders that checks and balances are essential. In the US, we rely on teamwork involving the legislative branch, the courts, the military, and the civil service to contain threats from a rogue president. The UK has the monarch to play this role, working in concert with the military, civil service, courts, and sympathetic elected officials. Fortunately for the UK, the scenario of a rogue prime minister has never come to pass. @@phytonso9877
Something similar happened in Japan. They did not have a democracy, but the shogunate. The emperor had ultimate sovereignty and legal power, but for centuries this was in name only, with practical power lying in the hands of the Shogun and, to a lesser extent, the Daimyo. The Meiji reformers used the Emperor's reserved powers to oust the Shogun and restore absolute imperial rule.
Very interesting - I do not know the history of the Meiji restoration. It is ironic that the monarchy provided a path to modernization for Japan, which enabled it to stand up to the European powers unlike the Qing Dynasty. The Qing had a path to reform, but ultimately the Dowager Empress had the dynasty in a death grip. @@johnhoney657
Actually, it has long been rumored that Mountbatten did plot against the Labour government of Harold Wilson.
So this is where Tywin Lannister ended up after he dodged that arrow. Neat
Well there are recent examples of kings being involved in parliamentary events, although briefly, like how Juan Carlos I converted Spain from fascism to a constitutional monarchy with a parliamentary democracy, and how King Bumibol live-streamed himself on TV talking down a general and revolutionary leader, and told them to stop their conflict and establish peace.
I am curious what would have happened if this actually took place. If the situation was so bad that Queen Elizabeth was forced to use her constitutional powers to declare a state of emergency and effectively dissolve and replace the PM and Parliament. She goes on about how it's not her place and that she's protecting the constitution and democracy. But Mountbatten made a valid point that the constitution does both burden her with the responsibility, and empowers her with the means, to act on behalf of the nation when the PM and Parliament fail in their duties. It is a government formed in her name, if that governemnt does not serve the people of the United Kingdom as it should then she represents part of the checks and balances of power essential to democracy.
I doubt that it would actually work out like that. Even if she can technically do it that does not mean that is something which works practically. If she would actually dissolve parliament it would create all sorts of instability, confusion and chaos. Because what would you do if the Parliament doesn't dissolve? Send in the military? On British soil? Acting against their own government? Even if they are sworn in on the crown, what if most of them refuse? No one with a sane mind would order something like that if they can not be sure to have the full support of the institutions behind them. And most officials would not follow trough with this if they are not absolutely convinced that it's necessary. Like a very serious governmental crisis and catastrophy. Maybe if a government lost the election and it wouldn't step down peacefully, then maybe the Queen could order it. But outside of such scenarios? I don't see it really working out.
Australia 1975.
@@markmh835 Glorified mining colony. Not the same.
the monarch would have no check on this in this scenario, so it would not be a checks and balances of power situation, it would simply be autocracy
Man imagine if she took power, the UK might actually continue exist as a country
1. Charles Dance has joined that chorus of iconic voices that will be remembered forever. He joins James Earl Jones, John Wayne, Phyllis Diller, John Cleese, and many others as a voice you recognize instantly and listen to instinctively.
2. I'm just gonna put this out there.... I can't be the only American that really does wish that somebody had shown this clip to Donald Trump....
Trump through his acolytes and mob of supporters attempted a coup on January 6, 2021, hoping that somehow stopping Congress from certifying the results of the 2020 US Presidential elections would somehow stop the transition of power to President Biden, or at least delay it long enough when in fact
Most legal experts (including conservative legal scholars William Baude and Michael Paulsen) agree that even had the Trump supporters successfully held on to the Capitol, even if members of Congress fled the Capitol and even if the electoral count was stopped, Trump's term in office would have still expired on Jan 20, 2021, as the Electoral Count Act of 1887 and the Presidential Succession Act of 1947 had safeguards in place just in case of delays or if for whatever reason, Congress was not able to certify the election result.
Essentially, had Trump's coup attempt successfully stopped the certification, his term and that of Vice President Mike Pence would have still expired on Jan 20, 2021, but while President-elect Joe Biden wouldn't have been certified, under the Presidential Succession Act of 1947, the Speaker of the House of Representatives (then Nancy Pelosi) would serve as Acting President of the United States until Congress could go back to certifying the election results.
This goes to show how little understanding of the Constitution Trump and his associates had, hence I don't think a video or really any amount of lecturing would have gotten through Trump's head that a coup d'etat would have no legal grounds to succeed in the United States.
If Her Majesty The Queen was involved and excercising her ancient perogatives, it’s by definition not a coup - but a Constitutional monarch using Her legal, if little used, powers….
Implication that the Queen could be influenced. Each of the civil institutions mentioned could be influenced by threats the same way. It's all fake news "Gov", the Queen would never ....
The true power behind the throne - as always
All Hail Caesar. She was one of a kind.
They cut the scene too early, before he explains why he will NOT ask the Queen to dissolve the government.
It was done in Australia by the Queen's representative, the Governor General, in 1973 when he dismissed the prime minister.
With some prodding from the CIA! And if you don’t believe me go read “The Falcon and the Snowman” or watch the movie which was ok, not great, but ok.
Yeah...that's was the Americans. Ambassador Green was fresh from couping Indonesia. Kerr was on their books.
@@sonarmb True. Elizabeth was never "our Caesar". Whoever pulls the strings in Washington DC was and is for the time be(j)ing. Democracy is a delusion, and a republic has a very limited shelf-life. It's been like that at least since Athens and Rome. We should have learned that by know. Democracy is mob rule manipulated by demagogues that ends in tyranny and a republic is a cover for oligarchy which inevitably devolves into an imperialist bureaucracy. Look at Trump and Biden: they embody a failed democratic republic behaving like an increasingly tyrannical empire.
Almost sparked a civil war?
@@mulamulelilumadi4717 Nah. Too well fed and entertained. It's how the caesars manage to rule so long: "bread and circuses"...
I listen to his analysis of how to bring about a coup in the United Kingdom, and I can see all of it happening right now.
can't argue with Lord Tywin
Its so weird that Charles Dance is essentially the same character in everything but somehow never gets repetitive, which really is a huge skill.
So Yohn Royce have been allied to the Lannisters all along?! What a plot twist
This was a very compelling argument for The Queen’s authority had she decided to exercise it. I now think that Great Britain is realizing just how valuable the late Queen was. RIP, Queen Elizabeth II.
Obviously this show exaggerates events, so he wasn't quite as blatant with the coup idea as he was here. Still I have a difficult time believing that he ever thought the Queen would be willing to entertain this. It seems pretty much contrary to everything she stood for.
Tywin & Lord Royce...
Yes
I'm a simple man. I see Charles Dance; I click.
0:59 Kinda dissapointed that they didn't mention The 1964 Brazilian coup d'état (Portuguese: Golpe de estado no Brasil em 1964) that overthrow the *center-left wing* Brazilian president João Goulart by a *Civil-Military coup* in March 31 to April 1, 1964, ending the Fourth Brazilian Republic *(1946-1964)* and initiating the Brazilian military dictatorship *(1964-1985).*
center-left wing lol
@@googlevsf I failed to find whats so funny on my statement. Care to point it out for me?
@@ChairmanofAlabasta euphemism to say the least
Nek te je pogubilo! ❤😂
Scenes like that are prime The Crown
Ladies and gentlemen: I present to you Lion El'Jonson, Primarch of the First Legion and Firstborn Son of the Emperor of Mankind, beloved by all.
lord royce spotted
and cannot forget Charles Dance / tywin
Mountbottom if only he was as clever as he thought he was
2:28 Well, now I need to hear "Leeloo Dallas Multipass!" in Charles Dance's voice.
0:41 LOL - Hand of the Queen.
"... 5 key elements. Control of the media, control of the economy..."
Everybody in the room: Ok, well we've got those two!
What is it about Charles Dance talking about 500 men that makes me feel like he could slay a mad royal...?
LBJ, Reagan, Bush Jr and Sr: Write that down, write that down,
LBJ and Nixon.
@@margaretash9706 Reagan, Bush Jr and Sr
Can he be one of the professors in the new HP series? Love his acting.
I can hear lord Royce's actor voice, a modern take on game of thrones ❤
'Unless......' I recall it being quietly well known at the time, that the Queen had sent the postulants packing with a (metaphorical) kick up the backside!! Less well known (though a guess would have been easy) was who exactly presented the idea and how.
"She is our Caesar". And we all know what happened to Caesar. 🗡️🗡️🗡️🗡️🗡️
Every self respecting "freedom fighter" should listen to this speech. Some popular movements in the Communist East, praised in the West for moral reasons, are miserable failures in a political sense because they seized #5 legitimacy, but ignored #2 control of the economy and #4 loyalty of the military. Tiananmen 1989 is a good example. The Hong Kongers of 2019 achieved #1 control of the media, but still neglected #2 through #4, so snatched failure from the jaws of victory.
I think it's worth noting that this is a case of Unreliable Narrator, Mountbatton has constructed a scenario where He is the only one whom can achieve what these other powerful people want. this maintains his station as the leader and primary benificiary of the coup. his five examples are all very compelling, but just as he is suggesting a sixth way to gain power there is likely to be a seventh and an eighth way
Said Tywin Lannister
Lord Mountbattan: A coup d'état doesn't stand a chance.
History in the future: Hold my bear.
😢😮. From what I read about Dickie Mountbatten he was enormously controlling, bossy and pushy! How is it that Buckingham Palace didn't keep a much closer eye and ear on all his interferences? There was another episode where Mountbatten was being baited into some banking schemes. 😮😢 Wasn't that another coup?! One thing I do remember was that the royal family sent Mountbatten to Wallis Simpson residence because they thought Wallis took some pieces of jewelry from the family. Mountbatten was probably sent to Wallis to lightly shake her up but supposedly, Wallis out-witted Mountbatten somehow. Hmmm. I read that a while ago. I wonder if the story was true 🤔🤔?
Yes, Mountbatten was an evil man but he was a very kind and generous person in his private time especially when he was back in Cassiebawn Castle
Queen Mary was on to Dickie and disliked him and thought he was an interloper. Read up on that, it's very interesting.
@@lizh4933 yes, Queen Mary disliked Dickie Mountbatten but don’t forget they were related through marriage so you have to keep on eye on your bedfellows and all that. Just say history is repeating itself right now with all the controversy surrounding Kate, William, Charles and so on.
@@PoliticalSligo Was he kind and generous to the boys he was rogering?
@@ostrich67 that’s disgusting 🤬
Damn, Charles Dance is looking fit.
all of this coolness only to realize that this episode is about "you're old grandpa, accept it"
He himself mentioned that he was past his prime ... "even in my heyday"
Dickie must have been off his head!
The Crown isn't factual, it's a work of fiction. None of this happened
Well, only the show version of him at least. There's little evidence he took this idea seriously and probably walked out of the room almost immediately.
From what I've heard, most sources said the suggestion was made by King in a moment of extreme frustration while talking with Mountbatten and a group of UK elites about Wilson's failing administration. It was likely no one but King took it seriously. Mountbatten would have known the country, the government, the UK military, the Queen, and NATO would have been against him.
I think this is mostly fiction born out of a few ill advised comments made by people who should have known better.
What king ? Only just had Charles 3 and Wilson wasn’t even the pm when the last king was Alive , you meant prince phillp
@@jonmel No...he means King. As in Cecil King, the chairman of the IPC at the time and one of the supposed co-conspirators, and in fact the main architect of this meeting. Go read up on your history or even just check the context of this scene from the show before you start getting nitpicky.
as he was known in the navy Mountbottom
Not Charles Dance playing as Lord Tywin in The Crown 😭
Regardless of whether this meeting really happened, I do find this an interesting thought exercise.
I am by no means an expert on this, but would the armed forces really obey such an order directly from the monarch? Even if they have sworn allegiance to him/her, does swearing allegiance mean you blindly obey them?
I suspect a lot depends on the respective popularities of the government and monarch in question.
Hear me Roar
- House Lannister
Tywin Lannister is wearing a tie 🤣
See House Lannister and Royce (1:24) made it to the meeting
It's important to remember that this is fiction. Mountbatten never actually considered this or did this sort of preparation.
How do you know?
On Mountbatten Rock.
At 4:15 he says the Armed forces swear allegiance to the crown. I thought the Navy and Air Force do, but the Army does not. It's called the Royal Navy and the Royal Air Force, but it's the British Army. I thought this was a consequence of the 1650 civil war, that parliament controls the ground forces. Has this changed?
the army still swears allegiance to the monarch as Commander in Chief. Parliament is required to pass an act to continue to maintain a standing army though.
@@ChaseWright516I thought the practice of an annual Army Act ended in 1955. There is no doubt an act that establishes and regulates the army but I don’t think it has to be renewed periodically.
I tywin of house Lannister, we cannot let those house do as they please, we can't let that unpunnished
Excellent argument for abolishing the monarchy.
Parliamentary republics often give reserve powers to the ceremonial president too. And presidents in presidential republics like the USA and France have even more sweeping powers. The issue isn't the monarchy
@@IrishCarney Presidential authority derives from popular mandate; and in no serious democracy do they have traditional and ceremonial power within an inch of a monarch's, nor are the armed forces and public servants expected to swear to them before the constitution.
A sick or authoritarian society may elect a false president who will act against the republic, but a stable and democratic society will not, and even a society in collapse will not elect an open sociopath.
A monarch though? Genetic dice and a very suspect upbringing. For every Elizabeth the second you get a Henry the eighth. Their power is arbitrary and a relic of tyranny. They are a point of institutional weakness that would not otherwise exist, as the scene, and Charles Dance's character points out.
Pretty much tywin lannister reincarnated in modern times
The Lord of Light has brought back the mighty Tywin Lannister. For the night is dark and full of terrors...
And dear Dickie was our Tiberius 😉.
"okay but Cersei's still marrying Ser Loras."
So basically what he is saying is it would be impossible to start a coup in England.
Watch me
Unless you have the monarch's support.
0:49 😎🤩
The only things you would need to launch a coup in the United States are the military, a threat that the government refuses to deal with, and the satellites. Once you have all three of those things the country will come to a halt. Once that's done, you could declare the President, or really anyone held as head of state, to be the personal embodiment of all 50 states and all territories. As such he/she would be able to do whatever he/she wants.
Yeah the Pentagon could easily shut down DC and deny access to all three branches, but the trouble is the governors. That's 50 other governments you have to deal with who can very easily say "we'll take our chances" and lead a popular revolt against your coup. If you get NY, Cali, Texas, Ohio, Florida to agree to a sudden cessation of a federal government, you might have a chance, but there will be enough states who are willing to say "fuck you, come here and kill us all" and if they can get the rest of NATO's support, all of a sudden the USAF and USN aren't as impossible to go against.
I don't think that mountbatten really was all that involved in the coup
It didn't seem like he was from what I read.
@@zacmumblethunder7466 Yeah, it's frightening how many take this "show" as factual. LIke, it's really well made ... but it's still in a lot of places rather drama than reality.
@CrniWuk I know. I've stopped watching any dramas about real events. I only watch these clips as I can remember most of the actual events and have a sort of morbid fascination with how much they get wrong.
Tywin Lannister cooks
Heavy got vibes going on here
3:02 gentlemen: 👁️ 👄 👁️
Lord Mount Explosion
He would make a good Master to David Tennant’s 14th Doctor 🤔
Lord mount batten. amazing to see my general.
I hope you're kidding? This is by far not a man to idealise
@@jeroen3468.
Well, nobody’s perfect, not even you and me, but we can derive positive qualities from each of us. I appreciate Louis Mountbatten for his leadership qualities and contributions during the World Wars, despite his controversial nature. My opinion might be deemed controversial, but I stand by it. Although I dislike Mohandas K. Gandhi due to the loss of our crown jewel, I acknowledge his commitment to his beliefs and indifference to public opinion. It’s crucial to approach history differently, as hatred for leadership leads you nowhere.
@@jeroen3468 'Kidding', being the operative word. In the worst ways you can imagine.
did it really happen`?
I've barely watched TV in twenty years and have been watching clips of various shows. They're mostly very dark. Sure, it's sometimes atmospheric, but wow, this sure has been the trend. I suppose with new technologies allowing us to see every blemish on a face so clearly, saving money on lighting is a win-win? 😅