Young Kratos Actually Talks Back to Old Kratos | TC Carson and Christopher Judge in the Same Scene
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Young Kratos: "Be quick with your words."
Old Kratos: *Proceeds to speak as slowly as possible.*
Young Kratos: You intentional slow monologue is boring me, speak faster
Old Kratos: *grunts* I shall speak at my own pace *turns to young Kratos & looks him directly in the eyes* boy!
@@CLADZEJAYKAYYoung Kratos would of thrown Chains immediately if that dialogue happened. Kratos shifting made him shut up.
Young Kratos didn’t disappear. He just went to fix a snack.
@@edge1247He’d have gotten rekt. Old Kratos is 1000 years wiser, stronger, and more experienced.
@Dante-mw2ez If he wins or loses his 1000 year old younger self, just needs to shift to make Old Kratos watch his tone. Don't care who wins. Honestly, he's battling himself.
Man. If only TC Carson came back to voice young Kratos, it would’ve been awesome!
It rlly would
They could have re-voiced it with Ai
@@94462 Santa Monica would have received a lot of backlash for that
He is alive .
@@qwerry206not really, I don't even think Carson wanted to be back on Valhalla
Man I'd love to see TC Carson and Christopher Judge voicing Kratos back to back. Just one last time. I love how Carson makes Young Kratos sound so arrogant, cruel and angry while Judge makes Old Kratos sound like a man filled with many regrets just trying to redeem himself, a broken man.
Love em both!
a fallen god
*_Old Kratos is a Veteran, with tragically earned wisdom and it shows deeply--it moves me to tears_* .
*_It is the best cinematic aspect, because humans do sound different from when they are young to when they are old_* .
@@SchwarzSchwertkampfer yeah its the Logic of the life... And why you write in black ?
Chop chop, maybe start a reaction channel?
Having Young Kratos speak and having him silent like in the game both work flawlessly. Just a sign of how well done this game is.
I was gonna say. Should've kept him silent just to build suspense and then at the very end, he speaks one line
"Boi"
@@heiwamjollier7434boi wouldn’t make sense at all for Younger Kratos to say
@@kld4836its a joke
@@ITheIM7IOmegaIthe only change i’d make would be instead of having present kratos say “I chose”, have young kratos say “ *We* chose”
I love how you can feel the PTSD when Kratos says "Place myself in service?!". That was like, the only singular thing he vowed to never do again.
"Service", spoken with such venom. Hissed out, through gritted teeth.
To think that the God of War series began with the words "Now there is no hope"
Now Kratos has become the god of the thing he believed eluded him for decades if not centuries
I thought it began with “the gods have abandoned me”
@@locomojoboy2 It's both. "The Gods of Olympus have abandoned me. Now there is no hope."
Old Kratos: Is confronting a past he is ashamed of. Knowing better, knowing what he knows now. Trying to free himself from his self pity and doubt. Confronts his fears in the form of his younger self.
Young Kratos: Is still running from that shame and doesn't want to be reminded. Still trapped by self pity and doubt. Vanishes after Old Kratos let's go of it, signifying that he's not a monster anymore.
Dude, I'm sick of these comments.
Young Kratos isn't running from that shame. He accepted what happened and channeled his rage into defeating Ares, the one who made him kill his family. Even afterwards, he fought against Olympus, despite all odds, because it was being corrupt. Zeus was being a jerk and Kratos is not allowing that; he genuinely wants to better the world.
He's not trapped by pity or doubt. He does not pity himself or doubt himself, despite what Valhalla might lead you to believe.
@@SonicMaster519 Nah, he is running. Like all cowards, he runs from himself like an inmature little boy unable to stop sucking his own thumb. Only a fucking kid think young Kratos isn't a running.
@SonicMaster519 He fought against Olympus because they were in his way on his war path to Zeus. He did not give a damn whether they were corrupt or not. If they were in his way, then he would forcefully remove them. Kratos' goal in the original trilogy was entirely self-fulfilling, not for the benefit of the world or anybody but himself. Every God he killed had catastrophic consequences for Greece and it's people. That's why he kills himself at the end of the 3rd game when his revenge path was over. That's why his self reflection works in these games. Whether or not he was justified, his actions caused pain and death for millions, and he did it all because he was selfish, and it didn't even bring back the only thing he actually wanted.
@@SonicMaster519 Just tell us you didn't actually play the games. His whole reason for his rage was because the gods refused to free him of the visions of him murdering his wife and daughter. Then it became about murdering Zeus and the rest of the gods stood in his way. That's it.
@@TheSilentCheetah Not for anybody but himself? The dude noticed the entirety of Olympus was falling into shambles and Zeus betrayed the poor dude after everything. Of course he's going to start taking down all the gods. Maybe he didn't do it with other people in mind, but he certainly couldn't stand for the world falling apart when it affected him, too.
He killed himself at the end of the third game because what is there? Nothing. Olympus has been destroyed and there is no home to go back to. Not only that, from the very start he was pretty intent on killing himself. The gods are gone, so what more is there?
His actions caused pain and death, but calling him selfish is flatout stupid. Are we going to forget the little girl and that whole Pandora plotline? Or is that just nonexistent now?
I can’t imagine young Kratos actually remaining silent while his future self lectures him
True, but Valhalla didn’t really put him there as a challenge, so it makes sense.
He wouldn't. But Old Kratos *doesn't need* him to talk: he KNOWS exactly what he's saying. He knows himself.
Remaining silent? No, but listening? He might. Would it stop him? I don't think so, but I do think it might change him. Knowing your future will change your present.
Than u missed the point of the whole scene. This is self reflection, not a conversation
This is really well done but honestly the scene works better as a soliloquy. Judge’s uninterrupted words of confrontation & self reflection. Just works so well.
This. 100%
I don't know I personally can't decide which one's better. I love how young Kratos isn't as long-winded as old kratos here. Young Kratos really didn't say much and pretended not to care. Perfectly portrayed in this video.
@@GnA_000 Obviously this version isn't better because it's just random parts of the previous series taken out of context to try to fit Ragnarok Kratos' words, but I feel like a real version where he actually replies could be just as good as the silent version.
Eh, mostly because the new lines are pasted in. I think it'd be great as a dialogue with essentially the same scripted, but with the two Kratoses(?) Switching between the harsh and forgiving perspectives, maybe ending with old Kratos taking over both roles.
Agreed
IMO, I think if Young Kratos only said the “You need not remind me” line here, it would be perfect. It shows how Young Kratos was always a bit regretful of the actions he took, thereby helping improve the message of this scene that Old Kratos comes to realize (Kratos was always much more than just a vengeful killing machine), while also preserving the badassery and gravitas of having Carson’s Kratos actually speak.
"There were reasons for that " amplifys the "you were always more than what people saw " line . Many forgot that the OG story of kratos was a tragedy of a tortured soul . GoW 2018 didnt do nearly as much moral grandstanding condemning Kratos as ragnarok did , so it was nice to have that ( and emphasized more in this ) line as a reminder to the audience that many of these characters that constantly put kratos down have little to no idea the full extent of his experiences . Thats how i see it .
It really annoys me that some people who've only played the new games think OG Kratos was an unredeemable monster.
@@walternelson2687hell, his original creator seems to think that. It's really annoying.
Man the OG kratos daddy is stuck in the glory of sparta @justacatwithasadface2692
It also shows that being regretful was irrelevant to him. He made decisions which he needed to make in situations to gain the desired outcome. Whether it was moral or not did not matter. I guarantee that if he were placed in the same exact situations again, he would make nearly the same exact choices as he did before and regretted. Except, of course killing innocent people with the only purpose being entertainment. But besides that everything will remain the same, which is something i think many people dont seem to think about. Its not about being redeemable or not, he simply acted upon what the situations called for at their times.
It really was not nessessary.
BUT!
A final boss fight with young kratos using abilities of the old game would have been sooo fking perfect.
It could've been the hardest boss fight in GOW history... And it would've been glorious.
The strongest weapon of a warrior is his words not swords
@@odysseus1131if only every dipshit that quoted that knew what it was like to be cut down by a sword.
It would be crazy cause he could DOUBLE JUMP
That’s what I’m saying 🔥🔥
How sick would it have been if TC Carson returned to voice young Kratos here, and you think he stays silent till the very end where he speaks in response as he stands up from the throne and pulls out the Blades of Chaos. The last test the player and Kratos need to overcome is young Kratos, but his healthbar instead says "God of War".
If he is in his godhood then it should be blade of athena
@Borr77 It doesn't have to be. This isn't the real young Kratos. It's a representation of all the regrets and self-loathing that Kratos has for his younger self.
The Blades of Chaos work better for that. They're the weapons that unleashed the monster in him that killed his first family. The Blades of Athena are just a set of replacement blades that he carried for a while.
I think at least he should have uttered old Kratos last line. We are more than that. Maybe even both of them at the same time. Complete silence felt out of place like they were going to add dialogue but didn’t
@@deadchivalry1698 Every single blade he had has a very important representation for him, chaos being the monster, Athena being his years as a god of pain and destruction, and exile the vengeance, its just lazy writing if they put the chaos blade on his godhood version cause they have very explicit representations for kratos and are not so futile as "just another pair that he carried"
Better idea would be the ghost of Sparta
My favorite part about this ending is that, at the very end, Valhalla knew that what Kratos needed lastly was time. Time to sit, time to feel, and time to process his newfound perspective and rekindled hope.
I'm not dissatisfied with what they gave us but this would have been fucking insane if TC came back
The only reason he wasn't is because if Christopher had better chemistry with atreus during audition on top TC not being the right body build for kratos he was too short for mocap maybe in the future games to come we will get him to voice the younger kratos since there's rumors they are possibly going back to the old titles soo.
@@yehudahdavis4368 yeah I like Christopher Judge better as older Kratos. They made no mistake there other than not telling TC. I just think it would have been really cool to have the voice of younger Kratos arguing with older Kratos in the Valhalla DLC specifically
@@anthonym51 I said the same thing. It seemed there was no bad blood between him and the company I don't see why they didn't give him the younger kratos role maybe it was due to scheduling for either party or just not enough money and there's also him possibly turning the role down
@@yehudahdavis4368 I think it's possible they may have offered Christopher the opportunity to play young Kratos in the DLC and he turned it down because I'm hearing news about how he wouldn't play a younger Kratos out of respect for TC. Why would this news just come out now? Of course this is mostly speculation on my part!
Honestly, it only made sense for Old Kratos to fight young Kratos, neither to win or lose, but to realize that neither can live without the other in a way, and young kratos dissipating into old kratos so that way Old Kratos truly masters thyself.
Hope they bring the old Kratos back in the next game
This is the biggest shock that i have ever seen just young Kratos sitting on the throne quietly while our older kratos speaks as if hes in a greek play
And its one of the best if not the best scenes I've ever seen in God of war history
Soliloquy is perhaps one of the best ways to convey such self-reflection, especially for Kratos.
It would have been a great shock for me as well... if there weren't 500 damn videos all over YT that spoiled it in the thumbnails.
I appreciate that you didn’t insert a young Kratos line every 5 seconds. The lines that were included actually fit for the most part. Very well done!
this show how personal the self monolouge is, it's just him staring at his pass in the face and acknowledge his worth and his wrong all by himself, hearing young kratos talking is cool and everything but it will make us hype for the wrong reason and break the mood of the whole scene, since he don't have anything to add for old kratos that he right now doesn't know
the whole point of the DLC is him gaining new perspectives on things, young kratos not talking back and staring is not him trying to be agressive like "TALK FAST, i don't have time for your rambling" implying he doesn't want to change and if that is his mental state rn he wouldn't want to sit on the throne instead young kratos be like "i should listen to this guy because i don't know what to say and he's right" that would imply he WANT to change to "be better"
I agree with you 100%, but it’s still cool to think about how it would’ve went down.
Think it would’ve been cool for young Kratos to speak and reflect on how he felt with the two agreeing that they need to be better
The voice became silent after old Kratos' monologue got closer to the truth. "you need not remind me" seems poignant to me, since it reminds old Kratos he can't just rely on hot blooded righteousness this time.
Would’ve loved to hear him yell
I LOST EVERYTHING BECAUSE OF YOU! to old kratos
Great to hear Tc Carson as Kratos again ❤️😊
lol it would of been great if it was a legit voice over by him. oh wells though. this scene is great as it is in game. silent young kratos listening to his older self. self reflection amidst his hellish behavior from an older time when he was nothing but filled with hatred and rage.
I honestly think a single specific line from Greek Kratos would’ve been amazing. Something like this:
Norse Kratos is giving his speech to his younger self before he pauses for a moment,
Greek Kratos taking the opportunity to solemnly but angrily say, “*WE* Are what the gods have made us.”
Norse Kratos in shock could follow up with his outburst before reflecting on himself. “NO! You chose! …I chose.”
I like this. Everyone has good points about how it's better as monologue, and I don't totally disagree. Like young kratos sorta shouldn't have anything to say here, but one line like this could go a long way to enchance the confrontational moments of monologue. For young kratos to say much more, they should've just given us the fight and made him the final boss of Valhalla. I would've ATE that up.
“WE chose”
Young Kratos: Before Reminding me that I've Choose To be like this better Think About who you talking and better think about it I'm you and you and me are one in short we both did the choosing who we are and what we have become!
I grew up with TC Carson but Christopher Judge did a phenomenal job
Hear hear. Christopher Judge truly is a worthy successor of Kratos’s new voice. It only makes sense too considering how much Kratos has aged. Most people don’t sound the exact same way forever. So why should Kratos?
Damn bro good job,i got goosebump just hearing tc's voice back for young kratos
young Kratos looks scary sitting there
This is a perfect monologue, between his pitch, his tone and his pauses. I don’t know how this is not the game of the year
For those who wonder why young Kratos disappeared: he got bored with an old fool and went to clap some chicks for red orbs.
Ya well if they were gonna go down that road they should’ve made him come back and voice young kratos for the memories in helheim
TC did an amazing job and he'll always be THE Kratos in my heart.
@@devin6079 I don't think you know the meaning of the world "Literally", sit down and stop talking like a basic white girl.
They're both good for different reasons. TC was great at being a rage-filled monster while Christopher does a great job at being a calmer and wiser Kratos.
@@clips-are-random they're both amazing for their own version of Kratos, idk what the guy above us on, guessing some people just want to argue on the internet for no reason.
It's just that in my head whenever I think of Kratos, the most memorable lines are in Carsons voice.
I totally agree. Judge does have some bangers like "Death can have me when it earns me." But TC's are better.
@@clips-are-random carson could do old kratos aswell u norse fanboys need to stop saying that same bullshit LMAO u dont deserve the franchise
I love how the community shows the respect TC Carson deserves, it's a shame Santa Monica doesn't do the same
Like damn it's too good! Good job
Thank you!!
I really waited in fear for young Kratos to talk back. He looks terrifying. I was even expecting that Kratos' young self would somehow attack and attempt to kill his old self during his speech. It did not happen either.
Do you want him to die there? It's better not to mess with Young Kratos
@@user-pu7pt8iy9f Hahaha, you are right. Let us not make him angry.
@@nedennicinnasl2849 yes, Young Kratos would have walked through Scandinavia in 2 hours, it’s funny to call the Scandinavian gods gods, some are mediocre, they even fuck up the helpless Kratos😊, Thor wouldn’t dare to bully Young
Christopher+old man kratos = a more wise calmer kratos, willing to take things one step at a time to recover, to understand ones past is to improves ones future.
CT Carson+young kratos= Young and spire, filled with rage of betyral, not willing to talk it through, but understands his place.
-applause- good sh¡t man, that scene really could have been a conversation. Thank you for making this happen for me 🥰
Glad you enjoyed it
That. Was. Awesome. Seriously, you made a really great video. I watched all of it, from beginning to end. Well done.
Awesome video wish tc Carlson could have came back an fought his older self but this dlc without fighting is even better thank you for the video and happy new year
No matter how much I rewatch this scene I am always on the verge of tears.
I was really really hope Carson would make a cameo as young Kratos to talk back against himself in the future. It ain't there, but enough to shred tears as an incredible journey of self revelation.
This, though, just topple my expectation! Just a few words is more than enough.
Thank you for making this ad-lip. I cried again, mind you.
A scene between Carson and Judge would have been incredible man. Just seeing him was plenty more that I was expecting though :)
The editing is fire bro
One part that is ignored that the gods lied,betrayed him and so did the titans.
This is very close to perfection, I'd only adjust two minor things.
Lower the volume of his voice slightly (since he's a bit further away from our view point)
and a slight echo to match the one one of the old Kratos.
"Be quick with your words!" Haha this line got us all! xD
Young Kratos: "Be quick with your words!"
Old Kratos: Proceeds to monologue and insert long, dramatic pauses for four minutes.
I think it's beautiful how Kratos comes to terms with himself. He's seen himself as nothing but a monster, even after all he's been through and everyone who reaffirms him. The only one left who needs to reaffirm him... is himself. He understands here the wrongs he's done will never go away. The loss. The guilt. The pain. It's never going to go away, not fully, but he chooses to grow beyond his suffering and accepts the "monster". And as a result, the monster goes away and the man, the god, remains. Not as a tool of pain, but as a person who decides who he wants to be and for that person to protect the world he has come to love. He is no one's slave, but serves the people as a peaceful man who has known violence intimately.
This love, this empathy and this self worth is what I believe is the true measure of a man. To conquer your demons and accept yourself for not only who you are, but who you can be.
I haven't played this game, only GoW1 on PS2. But this scene reflects to everyone, every human. If we face our old selves, we will tell how much more we are than we thought we were.
Music transitions from the same old theme to the new one. Nice!
Did anyone else walk into that room and think "Holy shit he's going to have to fight himself as the final superboss"?
So cool that you can see Young Kratos's mouth move while speaking too. Nice touch!
1:11 This is a proof of concept of what could have been. Well done on this specific detail, it almost feels real!
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Well done. This is what we needed.
(Young) Kratos rises from the Throne and walks to his Older self and says “Then *earn* it”
Best edit. Loved it
The whole time kratos did that speech, I was hoping young kratos would say at least a brief line with the TC voice.
Nice vid and happy new years 🎉
Happy new year
Now do a funny one with him yelling; "Zeeeuuuusss!!" Or "I am the god of war!"
I WAS SO HYPED I FKING YELLED IRL!!!! FR!!
Not gonna lie when I first saw this scene I thought there was going to be a fight between old kratos and young kratos
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One of the things I’ve always loved about this speech is how we see glimmers of Young Kratos in it. Specifically around “in service.” It sounds almost like… Disgust? In the word? There’s pride in his voice, a flicker of selfishness before he catches himself. Kratos had lived his Godhood as a self-serving man who refused to be “of service,” and we hear him catch himself before faltering to it again.
The chills I got!
Absolutely beautiful
2:28 that little whimper after he says hope gets me every time😔
This hits hard since I recently went through EMDR and had to reflect on a lot of things. Me now and past me. How past situations made me who I am now in spite of everything I tried to do differently
I love how gentle the Old Kratos has become. ❤
There would’ve been a fulfillment with having him speak but there is something sinisterly pleasing with him sitting in silence lol
Apparently they wanted Judge to voice Young Kratos but he refused. Idk why theyre refusing to call CARSON back for the voice. If he's mad about how they handled replacing him and refused to vome back i 100% agree but at the same time i really want him to come back
No he is not angry just disappointed and heartbroken they didn't even contact him at all even after voicing him in six games. Word is they are going to have him voice kratos again soon. The young kratos anyway supposedly they are going to have him do an in between game how he got from Greek to Norse mythology.
Nah. Judge said even if they did ask him (they didn't) he would've refused anyway
@@jariusreece1931 so you are saying the current voice actor which has no say so or any knowledge of what is next said that and you take that as gospel? He is an actor no more no less.
@@joshuakeely5593 He's talking about Christopher Judge himself not what Christopher thinks TC Carson would do
@@joshuakeely5593 I am saying Street heard wrong. The rumor he is talking about started when the current actor said he didn't want to voice a young Kratos, and would have said no if they asked.
People have been taking it as they did ask, but that's not true
Would have been cool if young kratos was the final boss fight in the Valhalla dlc
This scene right here is like staring in the mirrior and looking at what you where before
I just cried watching the young Kratos talking to the old Kratos , such a great imagination
“We have the ability to change within ourselves, when we do, we realize what pain we caused and what future we are to bring.”
You just made that scene far greater.
When two tidal waves of testosterone meet. It’s also great to hear the old music again.
TC Carson voicing young kratos in this frfr would have made this perfect
kratos cannot fully blame himself for his past actions, the greek gods were at fault for all of it and they met there karma for it all. kratos now needs to just heal himself from all he had to endure
Actually, it’s a bit more complicated than that. Yes, the gods did him dirty, but there were several instances when kratos could’ve walked away
@@lornegreen6755 I'm not sure how he could've walked away after his family gets murdered because of a corrupt god. Maybe afterwards? Well, he kinda got plopped on Olympus after trying to kill himself...
Well, what about God of War 2? Surely he could've walked away then? Well, he's the god of war cause Ares is gone, so he's gotta do his job and whatnot... oh wait, Zeus just stole his powers and Olympus is falling apart. Kratos should probably better things, right? That's what he sets out to do...
And then he gets betrayed by Gaia. Wow. By this point he's already at Olympus, he can't just walk away.
So what in the world do you mean there are several instances where he could've walked away? From the very start he was doing everything right. Things were forced upon him.
i really wanted young kratos to have a bossfight with current kratos
I wish there were more words spoken. But the "You need not remind me" was really good.
Aww, just hearing Carson makes me want to revisit the first three games.
*HOLY FUOOOCKK!!! THIS IS AWESOME!!!!!!*
That's what I was waiting for I would have been exited and shocked
Man when I first saw this scene with my own eyes I thought we were going to see a kratosvskratos sequence that would have been so much fun
Same, was a bit dissapointing to have that teased.
i love that Kratos never could express himself before with so much sincerity about feelings, since he was educated to be a man of few words and more actions. So he feels genuine and awkward at the same time. Judge made an amazing work with Old Kratos.
The way the light hits him as he sits, almost as though the ashes have faded off his body completely and you can see that mediteranean bronze once more. 4:45
"Be quick with your words!" Made me laugh 😂
I love this! Even though TC didn’t voice him, Kratos confronts his old self. When he says: “You are more than that.” He’s finally realizing for HIMSELF instead of anyone else telling him. A God of Hope indeed.
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"man is this old f*ck still going? whatever Imma just grab something to eat. later!"
Hearing Kratos's voice go soft sells the scene for me oml
This whole scene is playing out and all I can think of is that chair is probably fucking freezing
Kratos met his younger evil self. That's nice. Even nicer if that evil young bastard talks to his more heroic old self.
I find it fitting that Young Kratos's last line was "There are reasons for that." Even after so many years of character growth and hardship he refuses to let go of his painful past.
This DLC made me just as emotional as the actual game. So good.
I'm speechless.
It's a beautiful scene.
Things that could've make the new GoW better :
> T.C. Carson's voice for Spartan's Rage mode and young Kratos cameos.
man i just love the old voice T.C
Boss fight + old kratos VA would've been icing on the cake
A cool fight with old and young Kratos would have been fun
And that right there is why leadership shouldn't be taken for granted
Both scenes work very well, The best part for me is when he says .. "and now I would like to sit here for a while"
So my mind kinda went wild and really thought young Kratos was gonna be a boss battle to signify Kratos overcoming his past