Waterproof Your Shower (Or Else)
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- If you're going to build a custom shower, you ought to do it right. And that means making 100% sure that your shower is waterproof. In today's video I'm showing you my system to make sure you'll never have a leak. Watch the full shower renovation series👉🏼 • This Bathroom Renovati...
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Jeff, your channel is where DIYers like me can learn the actual work because you dive into details and show us problems and difficulties. Thank you 👍
Cheers Amir!
I’m a professional tile contractor and watching you do this and some of the thang you do and say make me laugh 🤣 it should ok .e for effort when in doubt red guard it out
This is priceless!!! You have taken the many hundreds of videos on this topic and condensed them into a seamless approach that prevents seepage and wicking failure. You always clearly explain what to do and not do. You do not leave any thing implied.
Glad it was helpful!
Perfect timing! Last week when I started remodeling my guest bathroom, our bedroom shower started to leaking into the basement. I really enjoy your videos and have used many of videos as sources for home projects.
Just spray everything with flex seal, job done.
Tilecoach actually did that once
This guy waterproofs.
What if you have a tub and green board around it?
Your walls could be made of bug screen and you would be fine with flex seal@@1hiphopnow
@@gibiore what happened?
Did my basement insulation thanks to you a few months ago (rigid foam + new frame and fiber glass). And now that I need to redo my bathroom, I can definitely learn more from this video. I can't thank you enough fellow Canadian! Happy new year tho ✌
Thank you! I love your videos.
I used to watch Holmes on Homes a lot. I love your renos, explanations, etc. You need to keep doing this. It's so amazing. Really appreciate your hard work you put into these videos! Take care
Thank you! Will do!
Amen on the step bench! I made one for my wife years ago. I used 2x12's. I made the bench 18inches wide. I have used it for everything. If I'm painting ceiling and trim? I can reach the ceiling with no trouble. My two 3ft step ladders stand in the corner. I always grab the 14inch tall bench. Lol Thanks so much for this info. Gearing up for a tub to floor shower conversion. Your vids are my biggest help. Thanks again.
For painting, I bought the tools Jeff recommended and followed his techniques, Still not a fan of painting but the process was so much easier and the results were great.
Did my shower a few years ago with redguard after watching one of your old videos.
Amazing stuff!
Reno’d my entire bathroom from watching you! Love it 👍🏻
That is awesome!
Great video! Doubling, and tripling up on prevention a great way to hedge against lack of experience. I'll be using these methods on my shower build. Thanks a lot!
Cheers!
Thank you for showing the best way I have seen so far and the ways it can fail. Now I’m ready to get started. I agree 100%.
Glad it was helpful!
Great video. I just installed foam boards above my tub and around my shower, used kerdifix and the 2" strip for seams. I wasnt going to redguard but now you have convinced me to get it. You're right, theres absolutely no reason to spend this kind of money to remodel a bathroom and stop 1 step short of redguarding just for that extra layer of protection.
Very thorough as usual, Jeff. Great job water sealing your new shower. 🇨🇦💝👍
Hi Jeff. Awesome job. Can't wait for the finished results. Pebble flooring is going to look gorgeous. Great choice. 👌. Thank you for sharing. Great content. Cheers! 👍. Take care.
Thanks 👍Cheers Peter!
I used redgard on my ceiling as well, to protect from humidity, then painted over it. It's good stuff.
In the UK we use CT1 (basically a waterproof pond sealer) to protect out inside corners and joins, it’s so good, I’ve never had a leak ever!
Your knowledge and skills are phenomenal. Thank you for sharing with us!
My pleasure! Happy to share my experience. Cheers!
I couldn’t agree more. I live in an apartment but enjoy just watching/learning,and hopefully one day getting to put this knowledge to experience it myself
Well done - that's what I call thorough!
Honest question here. Shouldn't we be working from the bottom up, like when doing a roof? Water will flow down with gravity. If we start at the bottom and overlap every step of the way, overlap the higher over the lower, wouldn't that improve our waterproofing?
Overkill !! I love it...I'm a master of overkilling stuff because Murphy always finds me..great job Jeff
Cheers!
I took the Schluter courses and they aren't as meticulous as you are. They don't encourage red guard so I initially took that stance but after seeing so many Schluter install failures, I'm convinced in what you're preaching. Thanks.
A few videos ago I said your videos inspired me to become a carpenter and I just got hired to be a residential framing carpenter!
well done. enjoy building things with your hands. it is a meaningful career for sure. take pride in your work. Cheers!
I’m all for this approach.
Jeff, Matt, Erik & Christine it was great meeting you all. Thanks for sharing the campfire with us in Dallas! 🔥 please have Erik text Matt we didn’t get his text!
Omg I'm so glad I used waterproof over the membrane. Someone told me I was just wasting money and time when I did exactly what you are doing. My biggest fear was shower failure, after all the work I put in. I did my own shower last summer, for never done it before, I believe it came out good, aleast I got alot of good compliments on it.
well done Kathy!
For weeks I've been wondering what the Schluter system is. I've never heard of Schluterboard before. Today I found out the company is from Germany and is half an hour's drive away from me. Schlüter system, the (ü) makes the difference.😆
The world is small.
Thanks for the video, I learned a lot again. Greetings from Germany, home of the Schlüter System.😉
Cheers to Germany!
Hey, Jeff. One of the other things to remember, when dealing with a shelf that will hold shampoo, and the like, is that ANY detergent will remove water surface tension. (Funnily enough, I learned this when I was a Main Battle Tank Commander. We could never figure out why our radio auto tuners were constantly failing. It was because we used to store our bar of soap in the guard that protects the tuner body. The water would easily, and instantly, migrate past the seals and into the electronics, when things got wet.) So. When doing an inbuilt shelf, there should be absolutely no way for water to enter, as it will have a greater ability to enter any minor imperfection due to it's lack of surface tension. Random, but true. Look it up. Love your videos, Mate. Always watch what you're doing, even if it's not a project I need help with.
Cheers, great insight. Thanks!
Found the previous video with the new base install with the linear drain super interesting and think it would work well for doing a shower on a slab with old drain. For the walls GoBoard is easier than the floor pan you installed!
Water proofing is never over kill!! The damage water does is worth it
Great work, extra steps for waterproofing is always worth it. If there's a will there's a way with water. Redguard off gas is potent, like ammonia burning my eyes and lungs, must wear a respirator. I started using hydroban from laticrete, way less fumes. IMO the dried product is also easier to see layout lines, marks etc. excellent video
very true Mike. I try to stick to products at the box store since most homeowners shop there against my advice. Cheers!
I used the Wedi system for my shower. No thinset and mesh tape. Just the Wedi board and the Wedi caulk i between each panel. 3 years and no leaks plus it was diy easy.
Did you redguard over your foamboard? I didn't use Wedi but another foam board product that is very similar. I didn't think redguard was necessary but now thinking maybe I should over the foam boards? Thoughts
@@shawnphillips1220 you do not redguard over Wedi. It’s completely waterproof on its own.
@@Dinomitsios correct, all foam board is 100 waterproof so no need at all, but I kept hearing Jeff say to use redguard over foam so I started to second guess myself, lol
@@shawnphillips1220 if it’s installed correctly is the catch. Wedi has great installation training on CZcams. Watch the training video and you should be good to go.
I just rebuilt my shower with RRS pan, Flow FX drain and foam boards. I loved that they custom make the pan to your exact dimension. Pan and wall boards were coated at the factory. Then their caulk to seal everything. Then I applied tape over the seams. Lastly I added two coats of hydroban. This shower will never leak..
Wow great job can't wait to see the tile !
Coming soon!
Thank you for the great ideas and advice in how to best use building materials for your home
Happy to help! Cheers!
I'm enjoying your videos from Canada and will check out becoming a member.
The best I think is when you know when to compromise. Kinda like not trying to put a 12' high ceiling into a 10' tall house. Good workmanship and care in addressing the details but also knowing where to draw the line. Contractors could learn a thing or two with such sensibility.
I also appreciate when you make mistakes and you keep it in the video. Very humble of you and honest, helps from making those mistakes too, or when you do, how to fix them!!
In case I missed it, what are those inside shower dimensions 30 x 60?
Our Daughter and son in law just bought an older home we are completely gutting it to the bare walls. and yes, old fiberglass shower. leaked and ruined the floor. They were talking of a membrane system for their new shower. Thanks for this I sent them the link. I very much enjoy your videos. Thankyou.
Your quality is awesome, cheers
This is the most thorough waterproofing video I've ever seen. Even the "real" tile guys' videos don't come close to how informative this one is.
By the way, I'd like to point out how silly it is how one particular channel constantly posts videos with the title "we installed this shower a year ago and it failed!" Like, why should anyone listen to you, given the sheer number of failed installations you're being called back for? 🤣
Glad you enjoyed it! trusting in a product claim can be disasterous. especially as a pro. I think the issue with schluter is they are not designed for heavy use unless you have a heated floor installed to keep it dry! Cheers!
Great videos. I just did a bathroom, however we have different products in Australia. Gripset make an excellent video on waterproofing membranes. Class 3. Some of the products are Class one or two, and could break down in a permanent wet environment. Correct thickness is important. The walls need to be primed prior to application (which looks like water with a bit of pva wood glue, but I do not know what is in it. Also, any smooth surfaces, (ie, plastic niche or metal trims), are primed with a different primer, otherwise the membrane will not adhere to it. I also filled the holes with a non silicone compound. Gripset make the corners out of a cloth with a what appears to be rubber imbedded in it. They also make them for the pipe inlets and outlets, and in long strips for corners and joint seams.
Best video from America that I have seen though on how to seal a bathroom. Lots of useful advice on how to do the full processes from start to finish, and very helpful with the many problems you will encounter.
sounds alot like the european mapei-line same principle wierd primer 3 coats in mixed direction and even good for stationairy (people are lining their pools with the stuff)
Excellent information and very helpful! Thank you.
Glad it was helpful!
I just absolutely love this guy ❤❤❤❤❤❤
I put a wall mounted oscillating fan that faces the shower opening and we run it after we shower. Works great.
I only WISH I could hire someone with your integrity
no worries. just do it yourself. Cheers!
LOL what if she's in a wheelchair! @@HomeRenoVisionDIY
@DandyChigginz you can do plenty in a wheelchair! Think before you speak or comment!
Jeff you did such a perfect job with the cement board that I thought it was a finished marble shower at the beginning.
Cheers!
Great explanation. I agree
Waterproofing is never overkill.
I hate when contractors cut corners here.
You don't wanna deal with a shower pan leak; I've seen enough horror cases
This is definitely the place to spend some extra cash for security. Cheers!
Exactly. I plan on installing a standard pan with a back panel and everything, you know the standard corner shower setup, no tile, yet I still plan on waterproofing behind/under it just in case water somehow manages to get in behind it because it will, that's the whole reason I have to replace the existing shower because a silicon join failed and rotted part of the floor.
I would never put a custom tile shower base in a wooden structure. You guys trust it so much that you go ahead and water proof a water proofing product. Just be smart and use one piece fiberglass shower pan. Do your tile fantasy on the walls and ceiling.
@@Faruk651 with those you still usually have a seem between the tile and the pan (unless it is one of those full units that has the walls and shower screen all as one unit).
the type I am installing has a base and a separate corner wall panel, so there is a seem where they meet. the previous shower was of the same design and water ended up getting in between the wall and the base (the house had been a rental for years so maintenance was not kept of with on the silicon). to stop that ever happening again, I plan on waterproofing behind the shower wall and the whole bathroom floor, that way if we ever have a failed join or someone lets the bathtub overflow or something, I don't really have to worry as much about water getting under something and soaking into the subfloor.
every tuesday
always learn from Jeff's bathroom videos🤩🤩🤩
Lmao sorry Jeff im going to use it everywhere.. extra $40 going to another roll. Thank you again for all the information and patience in making these videos.
The tiles are just cosmetic at this point. Really appreciate your attention to detail
In truth the tiles protect the waterproofing membrane. Cheers!
great job there enjoyed the video
I recall my first time painting with red guard.. I didn't think of it much at the time but Jeff isn't kidding about fresh ventilation and a respirator. After 15 minutes I was starting to feel very weird. Had to take a break and mask up with 3M carbon filters.. Stuff is no joke.
Thank you for making a point of saying the backboard mesh tape is different. Concrete/thinset washwater is the same PH as chlorine bleach and dissolves the adhesive on the drywall mesh tape
As soon as redgard became available in my area. 10 ish years ago. Ive always final sealed with it. Heck i did my whole subfloor on my house with it.
great video
2 x coats of Zinsser Bullseye 🎯 to prime and then 2 x coats of Zinsser Permawhite for wet room ceilings, bombproof!!
Come on, Jeff - hold your horses.
NOW I want to build second bathroom. And I didn't finish painting and laminating my house after watching your videos! I do keep up with you! 😂😂😂
Great video, great project - thank you!
You can do it!
Great job ! Cant have too much waterproofing - there's enough shower failure vids on CZcams! Redgard specifies the thickness you should build to - usually takes at least 2 or 3 coats. If you have a thin membrane you can save some $ on the niche corners by cutting and overlapping your own corners (just watch the buildup) . Don't know if I'd ever want to mess with the goopy stuff in the corners instead of thinset.
I've made 2 full bathrooms using a marble showerpan with already integrated drainage, did the walls and corners only with a goopy rubber stuff (3 coats) Tiled the whole thing and filled it with epoxy -> haven't noticed any issues with water and 1 of the 2 was done straight on a simple drywall...
I've even used this stuff in our basment to line the sides od where the floodpump-hole is -> stationairy water doesn't even find a way trough and its been a decade..
These product smell like S but dangit they are something else
😮I used wedi board and wedi sealant
It is much easier to work with and is lighter than cement board. No leaks. Great product for waterproofing especially for DIY.
and also the most expensive option. great for a diyer but i would never allow a contractor to use that stuff because integrity of the installer is the only defense. if they cut even 1corner it all fails.
They sell a kit for those common nutone/broan fans with a new motor that drops right in and a modern looking replacement cover. Good cheap update.
Man you hit it on the button.
I was just talking about this today membrane thin set underneath and then another membrane doesn't make sense yet no one could give me an answer even the company that makes the product.
Hi Jeff, Have you heard of tile backer board? It's totally impervious to water use it all the time in the UK 🇬🇧 tiling on plywood is pretty much outlawed here now as it twists and pops the tiles drywall as well is a no no ..check it out Wedi board is well known brand and if used with the correct fixings and sealant will make the shower area completely waterproof so the tiles are just to make it look nice 😊
that's what I did for my shower niche,I built a slight slope in the framing.
I'd recommend either watering down the redgard or wetting the suface with a sponge for the first coat, helps the redgard to stick better, especially to concrete boards.
Out of curiosity, would you not want to start with the ground sheet and then work your way up the walls with the corners etc? So it has correct overlapping - like with a roof or any other waterproofing?
Great Video !!!
Glad you enjoyed it. Cheers!
P.
S. love learning about this waterproofing
Changing out the cover for exhaust fan is good. I would also consider just swapping out the motor as well. It is a cheap part and easy swap. less than 20 for brand new motor/fan to be screwed in. It is the same generic builders grade motor which is used everywhere.
Hi I’m new to you but already love your quick but specific recommendations and why. I am wandering if this video and instructions is for simple surrounds as well as tiled? I do not want to tile. Ty
Amazing video! I used (as recommended) Loctite PL MAX with a Kerdi inside corner membrane and the Loctite was still moist under the Kerdi after 24 hours. I was still able to squeeze a little out with a plastic trawl. When will the Loctite dry so I can tile over it?
According to the Redgard manufacturer, it is a “crack prevention” product capable of covering up to a 1/8” crack. No Thinset and membrane needed at seams!
I like the self-adhesive alkalai resistant mesh tape. But then, I wasn't tiling- I was doing a glue-up surround and I covered everything with Aquadefense afterward. Worked fine and I also used Clark Deitrich PVC L-Bead trim with tear away strips. It covered the raw edges of the cementboard. It was around an old steel tub so I didn't have to worry about the whole shower floor thing. I used a roller to make it lay flat.
I made the mistake of using a thinset that set up waaay too fast. It was supposed to have 20 to 30min. It cured in less than 10 the first time. I had to add icewater to the mix the next time to make it cure slower so I got maybe 15min of working time. It did not go on smooth either. My first attempt so it could have been worse. At least I covered everything with plastic so the inevitable spills/drips/etc didn't get on the floor or tub.
My brother saw the Dude Wipes in the store and asked "How insecure does a guy have to be to get something called 'dude wipes' instead of normal wet wipes?" LOL. We get shea butter wipes (which are antifungal) and chamomile wipes (which are antifungal AND antibacterial). Probably not an issue up north, but in damp humid climates the antifungal really comes handy. I use generic version of Lysol wipes for cleaning stuff other than my own skin.
I've seen pebble floors and they look horribly uncomfortable. I imagine they would be a pain to clean as well. Too many little pockets to catch dirt.
I am forever losing the screws that come with things. LOL.
You're not the only one who has to make multiple trips. Hopefully you're not far from a hardware store. My local one closes at 5pm on weekdays, noon on Saturday, & is closed on Sundays. Nearest hardware store aside from that is an hour away.
I've actually managed to cut myself on that metal part on a paintbrush. No idea how, but I did it. I'm not very coordinated. LOL.
Anytime I painted with my dad, I would have to wear a hat bc he would splatter paint all over-- and I was much shorter so it would land on my head. LOL.
My friend's house has wooden windows. Mine has metal windows & they suck. The crappy exterior paint from the 80s may explain why everything we painted outside in the 80s had the paint deteriorate.
My roller won't even roll. It just stays still. Probably bc its super cheap. LOL.
That membrane stuff will peel off of skin- eventually. LOL. Not so bad if you peel it off & it doesn't hurt your skin. I had really crappy gloves that tore & kept getting stuck on things. I just lived with having greenish blue stuff (since I used Aquadefense instead of Redguard-- as the latter wasn't available here) on my hands.
If you use any tape to tape stuff off to avoid getting the redguard on stuff, its best to tear the tape away while the redguard is still wet or else it starts to peel it off & the tape won't come away cleanly. Aquadefense also takes 2 coats. Man, wet Redguard looks like Pepto Bismol. LOL. If Redguard is anything like Aquadefense, you'll want to make sure any drips are cleaned up immediately bc if they form drips that stuff is hard and you can't mash it down. It's not easy to peel off a drip either.
The content that I’ve been waiting whole week..
Cheers!
Thank you for the explanation! What are your thoughts on GoBoard instead of the cement board and sealing it the GoBoard sealant? Then going over it all with the RedGuard like you suggested. I am going to use a Schluter shower pan kit if that makes any difference. It also comes with a roll of Kerdi waterproofing membrane so I could put that up after the GoBoard and before the RedGuard. Is this overboard? Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
THANK YOU! You are a legend. A question I have that I think would be good for a yt short or tik tok would be when and why you use certain trowels! thanks
It was a little bit surprising for me that after all the careful waterproofing using serveral layers and methods, with so much attention to every small detail, you left a huge open hole around the fixture. And it is right below the shower - there will be a lot of water flowing on the tile around the fixture. We always (I'm from a European country) put a special sleeve (ring) around all fixtures and pipes that go out of the tiles and the rings are incorporated into the waterproof system.
No, you are NOT the only guy that has to hit the hardware store a couple times a day haha
Cheers , glad to hear it!
All that and two coats of Semco liquid membrane. Even coated walls and concrete floor before in stall of flush floor Schluter shower pan and walls. 😊
I love your videos Jeff. Thank you for helping so many people. I just want to say please, please, please, don't use that grinder so close to your stomach - it's just millimeters from cutting you. I know you're a seasoned pro and all that, but please be a little more conscious of how close it is to you! God bless!!
Without doubt, some of the most hackyish work I've ever seen in a shower...
Jeff , What is your thoughts on putting handicap bars in a bath tub with out tearing out the tile? Any help will be great, thank you and keep the videos come.
Looking for the links to the membrane and the product used on the floor and bench
Great video as always!!
Howdy, I really appreciate your experience & wisdom. Can you do a video explaining, how homeowners can protect their wood. I have a covered wrap around porch. The original Florida construction was about 12 years ago. It is painted, floor is concrete, however about 3yrs ago when I was pressure washing. Some paint spots lifted on the wood bannister & handrail . I would like to pressure wash again, but I'm concerned about damaging it. My question is how do I reseal to protect, do I have to strip all the existing paint off 1st? How often should a reseal be done? BTW some of the paint is flaky
56:17 Two coats are best, especially in the winter 🤣🤣
I agree, Jeff! I’d choose spending $2k instead of $1750 and have the peace of mind to sleep at night and do everything over the top
On top of the pink paint, can you now put morter + tiles?. Or a specific adhesive because it will get wet?
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Is water proofing only for when tiling the shower. Or does it also need to be done when installing acrylic wall surrounds in the shower? Thanks.
Hello Jeff my kitchen has glued down vinyl on the roll and I want to install ceramic or porcelain tile, should I remove the old vinyl and also I believe there’s Osb underneath. Need some guidance.?
As good as this is,it requires a lot of steps that need proper execution. Since I will have to use unskilled help or contract it out, I am considering a walk in tub conversion using a one piece cast iron base. A shower seat. A Pr-fabricated surround with a glass wall on the long tub side, A recessed niche would be great but probably not in the scope. This would be nowhere as nice as a site built tile shower like you are building but affordable. I would love to do what you show but a stroke that has impaired the use of my dominant arm. I have yet to see any thing similar to what I am considering any where. This video is the best that I have seen yet. You always make the proper sequence clear and obtainable.
Hi Marty! keeping it simple makes it easier to get a successful reno. my advice is have the contractor use floor leveler before install. then all the components you want to use will install easily. Cheers!
Would it have been a better install to apply the ASI 57 sealant along the corners where the cement board meets the shower pan area?
This would be a great time for YT to put in an ad for Pepto Bismo
Hello, do you have a video where the shower and floor are at the same level on an existing concrete slab?
Is there any way you can wet or presoak those Grey membrane corner pieces to make them more pliable around imperfections in the build so they can form flat around all surfaces?
What size roller do you use for the roll on membrane? also how thick do you roll it on? i've seen something like 25 mils? or 50 mils?
what is next for shower pan? tiling ?
when to install drain and the pre-slope ? I am a new , confused in here .
Home Depot and Wooster roller trays are smooth, Allow the tray to dry. Reuse. After two or more uses, just peel the paint out, and you'll have a brand new tray.
Hi! May I ask what kind of sealant is that please? Thanks!
Waterproofing is like the foundation of the house, do not cut corners 😂👍 save yourself. They need to clone this guy😂
I have a lot of questions about this however the main one is when you said water does not splatter if your kids take a shower or you do and your in a hurry it'll splatter up it'll splatter around you but what do you use when the $40 tape isn't for high places or what do you use in the places you don't use that?
Hey loving the videos, one topic I am struggling with is renovating a 1996 build with wood crown molding and base molding... painting it seems to be unsatisfactory, replacing it is not something I've done before ... any videos on this kind of renovation ? Also staircase with same stained wood and older banisters... help?!
for help with this consider joining our membership program. you can send me pictures and ask questions so I can actually help and not just guess. Cheers!
Love it. Redguard is the bees knees