These Characters Were Better Than you Remember (CBF's Ko-Fi Compendium #1)
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- čas přidán 23. 07. 2024
- So, I started uploading cut content and mini-vid ideas over on Ko-Fi for people who support the production of this channel. Here's all 3 Geass minis compiled into one video. These were all either cut content or cut ideas from the big Lelouch and Suzaku video from last time.
0:00 Intro
00:10 I Am Defending the Nina Table Scene (And You Can't Stop Me)
1:46 The Ending of Code Geass is Very Ironic
6:19 Suzaku's Perspective Still Means Something
10:39 Ending
Music used:
"flos" by Daisuke Ishiwatari (Blazblue Calanity Trigger)
"Digital Drive" by Garoad (VA-11 HALL-A)
“Kira, Sono Kokoro no Mama Ni” by Toshihiko Sahashi (Mobile Suit Gundam SEED Destiny)
“Re:RISE” by Hideakira Kimura (Gundam Build Divers Re:Rise)
“Abysswaltz” by Hiroyuki Sawano (Re:Creators)
“Aishite sono Aku wo shiru” by Maiko Iuchi (Akudama Drive)
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Yeah, sorry my original plans for the Fate/Extra video fell through, and that I couldn't bring myself to earnestly create another big video, but hey, I did do stuff on the side and I wanted people to actually see them, so here we are. The bulk of the last 1/3 of the year is gonna be dedicated to a RWBY retrospective, which will definitely result in some cut content for some of the spinoffs I'll be discussing but won't go into too much detail on in the main trilogy of videos covering each saga of the show. You know where to find them once I make them.
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Definitely deserves more views
Orange is iconic and is best meme character im glad people see the same thing too
Geass has some of the best running gags in mecha, if not in any non-comedy anime. Jeremiah Orange Gottwald is definitely one of them.
Speaking of Jeremiah Gottwald, at the beginning of the series when they were originally going to punish him, they said he should be a orange farmer as punishment at least in the dub.
LMAO I don't remember that, but it has been nearly 7 years since I saw it so that line musta slipped by me.
@@SerialNavelgazerCBF yeah, I was just re-watching code, Geass recently and I heard that.
@@SerialNavelgazerCBF I just found the episode it was season 1 episode six and Jeremih had two choices to start all over again with his rank or cultivate an orange farm.
I personally don’t agree with both the thought of Lelouch ruining everything Euphemia created to bring peace, and the one in which Euphemia was supposedly going to “save everything”.
Thing is Euphemia's method was a first step towards better treatment for the Japanese just like Lelouch's ended up being for world peace. It definitely wasn't like "ok she built this special zone, racism is defeated" but it was a first step that was doing more for the nation than what Lelouch or especially Suzaku had managed up until then. Leloich provided an icon, Suzaku provided nothing, and Euphemia provided a safe zone district that could potentially lead to further efforts to weaken Britannia's totalitarian rule over Japan and change the nature of their relationship.
Then Lelouch made a bad joke while his Geass was on the fritz and the Eupheminator incident happened and all that got flushed down the toilet along with Euphemia's reputation while Lelouch had to take advantage of the situation to bolster the Zero icon...which then led to his organization getting fucked for a year. As such, we'll never know how things could have gone regarding future endeavors to peacefully compat Britannia's rule, not that it would have been easy or like there wouldn't ever likely be bloodshed involved. Still, it did show that Suzaku's ideals had potential, it just needed to be in the hands of someone with more understanding and political influence.
@@SerialNavelgazerCBF While Suzaku’s ideals have potential, it would still take an extremely long time to actually implement them due to Britannia’s corruption and racism deeply routed into their system of things in conquered Japan. What I think your missing and what Euphemia missed as well is the fact that nearly half, if not most of the Japanese have literally internalized the fact that their elevens. They have been psychologically damaged by Britannias rule, segregation and mistreatment. I don’t entirely remember which episode it is, but do you remember the one with Lelouch, Kallen and the black knights fighting crime? We find out there that what I’ve said is literally true. They don’t feel a reason to fight due to their psychological conditioning and use of drugs to escape their current condition.
The issue with what Euphemia did although I do agree it is a peaceful endeavor is the fact that it in itself is literally called a “special administrative zone” which is actually not the same thing as a autonomous state of government. That and even Euphemia herself never really convinced or changed any of the Britannias minds about the elevens as it’s clear before the assembly to establish is took place. Even if it was established the psychological conditioning and deep racism would not go away as fast or even nearly as fast as most people would think. Corruption would still not only exist there, but other parts of area 11 are still separate from this zone and are prone to more corruption and oppression. That and Euphemia not only did not establish a separate state of autonomy, but she also relinquished her right to the throne and her name as a royal princess. Which unless Lelouch helped would be making things even harder for her to push harder on her reform as her sister and even brother still don’t trust the Japanese and still have impeded racism within themselves. Which is why when Euphy announces the zone Lelouch says that he’s already thought of that possibility already and routed it out due to likey what I said in my opinion.
A perfect example of this happening in the real world is the simple fact that in spite of fact that the north won the civil war and established “equality” in terms of laws, (by the way equality doesn’t exist, which is something that both emperor Charles and I can agree on. We should strive for dignity: the strong helping and loving the weak instead of oppressing them, and intern the weak emulate and follow the strong. And yes I’m using the civil war as an example.) that didn’t mean that racism, and oppression went away automatically just like that. It’s clear and you don’t need a degree from college to know that corruption in the south lasted for literally a near century and racism even still long after that before true reform was established. I recon with the possibility that due to the circumstances created by Euphemia and due to the fact that not only is she the only member of the royal family that cares to change Britannia for the better from within, but she had never actually changed most of the opinions of the Japanese for the Britannian’s and never removed their deep setted hatred for the Japanese people for the most part aside from a few individuals. I recon It would have likely taken nearly two centuries to change it truely front within, costing the lives of not just the Japanese but more who are oppressed around the world by Britannias regime to continue. If your more interested Thomas Sowell actually goes into detail on how the south literally destroyed African culture and turned them into literal red necks which made them into what some of them still are today in terms of modern “black culture.”
I’d argue that Lelouch has actually done more to give Japan hope than Suzaku and Euphy even ever did when it came to his rebellion. And to put my final two sense in, let me remind you of something. When Lelouch accidentally geassed Euphy, which at will not deny was a borderline wrong and evil act in spite of it being accidental, you have to remember the fact that not only did Euphy carry out the order by being the first to shoot, SHE LITERALLY SHOT DARELTON. One of Britannias highest in command at that time within area eleven. So why on earth didn’t that stop the soldiers from carrying out her orders? One could argue that they were just soldiers following orders and that it’s purely Lelouches fault. But really if the soldiers were actually any good, at least some of them would have stopped or even hesitated to carry out the order when Darleton was shot. So the question remains why didn’t they? Why didn’t they stop and think if Euphy was going crazy after she just shot her highest in command? While you could say that it’s just the banality of evil, I would argue that it’s simply the fact that they used Euphies order as an excuse to carry out a desire they held in for so long and that we’ve been shown before they haven’t at all hesitated to carry out in episode one itself. It’s not the banality of evil itself, but it’s actual evil and malicious intent, using Euphy’s order simply as an excuse. We have to remember that all of these soldiers literally had a choice, and they chose to slaughter the Japanese out of malicious intent.
So really I wouldn’t say that Lelouch ruined everything, he simply just opened up the possibly. And in reality it was Britannia itself that ruined everything. Something that even Suzaku, while understandable in his anger practically deliberately ignores in his pursuit to kill Zero. And like I get it, I actually think Reform is a better option especially since it’s been more effective in the real world, whereas revolutions either don’t work most of the time or end up creating something arguably worse than the prior system of things before. But in this story really it’s may have been the best option to avoid further oppression and possibly bloodshed by the hands of Britannia, and it actually at least gave the Japanese more hope and a bigger will to fight back.
That fact isn't really lost on me. However, as it stands, at the point in time that it was happening, Euphemia's experiment was showing some actual results, even if it's only a first step in the long road to addressing the actual issues of Britannia's views and treatment of the Japanese, let alone other people and nations they conquered. Zero gave them an icon, yes, and yea the increase in Refrain usage is definitely a result in the people's hopelessness under their regime. However, that itself would be just as long if not longer of a road than Euphemia's would have been, had Lelouch's accident not have caused that to go south, ensuring that all potential peaceful options went out the window. Of course, that's if you apply those real world examples you mentioned, which also would need to be later applied to the Zero Requiem and the effects of bringing all the world's leaders under one for what amounts to a truly global kingdom version of the UN. The widespread damage on multiple cultures and peoples would still be borderline unreparable for generations to come, assuming all the world's leaders and their successors stayed true to the vision, as would the ingrained beliefs of the Britannians from generations ago.
Hmmm, interesting recommendation. I don't really read political theory, but I will keep this in mind. I might have seen that name pop up once or twice before.
The Darelton point is an especially interesting one to be raised, and it does show how without Euphemia to actually man the help of the operation now that she has seemingly lost it, the underlings pretty much went and did what they normally do in any other operation anyway as that is indeed what they're trained to do and what at least the bulk of them seem to believe is justified (or acceptable/desirable). Her plan would always be difficult to maintain on her own without the planned backing of the Black Knights. As you said, Euphemia's SAZ wasn't quite finalized yet, it was in its grand testing/unveiling phase that did show promise and did provide some solace and could have provided some securities, difficult as that would be even with the backing that she was trying to gain. However, while you are right that Lelouch doing what he did allowed this to happen and ultimately they're used to doing this kind of thing as shown in episodes 1 and 7, fact of the matter is, him kickstarting the chain of events thanks to a dumb mistake means that he did pretty much fuck it all up, forcing him to have to salvage the situation by making her look like the devil.
Ultimately, the point is that through his mistake, the possibilities of navigating a more peaceful route by someone who could more effectively carry out Suzaku's ideals were cut short, therefore Suzaku's ideals went back to having zero place in this world until he eventually realized that he himself couldn't even fall in line with that set of ideals he gained as a coping mechanism. It is pretty much all speculation on what-ifs based on what happened and what got derailed. I do think it's interesting we had this discussion thanks to what was basically a snide side comment on the Euphie moment in the middle of a larger point.
@@SerialNavelgazerCBF I disagree somewhat. Especially in the idea that Lelouch still ruined everything. I’ve given all my evidence that the soldiers who carried out Euphies order had a choice and Darleton death should have stopped them either way, but it didn’t, therefore it can’t be the banality of evil, but it is evil itself.
But you make a lot of good counteratguements, escpeciallh considering the fact that had the rebellion gone on without the special, it still would have taken a long time. Especially considering the fact that Schneizel was the one who actually put down the black rebellion. So at the very least, full blown war in Japan would have gone on longer or there’s a chance that it both would have been cut short and end up failing, or that if it ended up stailmating or Lelouch pushing forward in counter to Schneizel (which isn’t actually impossible considering the firepower of the Gawain, by freaking God. And also consider the possibility that the Chinese Federation could interveine to help the Balck knights) then there’s a chance that the UFN may not have been established at least for a long time. That and the world may have been dragged into further war that Britannia wasn’t already instigating.
Either way though I still don’t blame Lelouch entirely, yes what he did was undeniably wrong, but the soldiers themeselves weren’t geassed. And if they were any good they shouldn’t have used Euphies order as an excuse. And if it was just Banality, they still should have at least questioned the order after Euphie shot Darleton. But yeh you still make a lot of good points. Ones that I can’t really counter beyond what I’ve said. Although not all of them. And in terms of political theory, I admit I’m not much into but I’m into it a tad bit, which is why I’m familiar with Thomas Sowell, or others. So no worries. And also I don’t really like politics at all, in fact aside from a few acceptions, it’s all kind of pointless to me, and in fact just another cycle in human history. But I do find it interesting to dive into all forms of political theory and ideology. Less the ladder, more the former. For me if I existed in the code geass world, I’d have a much different solution from both reform and revolution. One that actually involves Geass itself. And it’s nothing like what Charles or Schneizel would create thankfully . . . . . At least I think so.
@@SerialNavelgazerCBF Also here’s the Link to a video that details more about the psycological damage Britannia has done to the Japanese: czcams.com/video/di4arCNHw3Y/video.htmlsi=1AxZVcDLDbkTEQ6Q
Nope! still don't like Nina and should be ashamed yourself about the chair scene. 😑.
She's a piece of shit person, but as a character, she's not too poorly written
You say that like being an anituber DOESN'T require you to have no shame lmao
@@SerialNavelgazerCBFI never really hated Nina but I did find her stupid when she basically made a nuke and you know the Oppenheimer meme(if you don’t basically genius makes bomb and is surprised that bombs kill people) of course I get that they weren’t being completely stupid but still it’s just ridiculous to me, I also never really hated Suzaku that much at first and then I rewatched Code Geass multiple times and now I don’t really hate the character at all.