What are the BEST CARDS? Card evaluation | Invokation Akademy TCG-101 | Genshin Impact TCG
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- čas přidán 24. 11. 2023
- Welcome to the TCG-101 series - the best way to become a better duelist with lessons in under 10 minutes.
In this lesson, I'll go over how I approach card evaluation! Being able to evaluate cards yourself is a useful skill, as these will frequently change as new cards are added and adjusted. How good a card is also changes based on what characters and other cards you play them with! Newer players often also overestimate cards with large effects, overlooking their restrictions or delay in their effects. By the end of this lesson, you may not become an expert at card evaluation, but I hope it will give you a better appreciation of why pro players tend to favor specific cards, and what to look out for with new and existing cards to know which are good, and also when those cards are good!
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00:22 - Intro
01:00 - The pillars - efficiency, flexibility, and delay
02:55 - The baselines - hashbrown, woven, and strategize
05:41 - Evaluating character cards
08:25 - Outro
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What is Genius Invokation?
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Genius Invokation TCG (GITCG) is a card game inside Genshin Impact! To unlock this game mode, you will need to reach AR32 in Genshin and complete the associated quest. The entire game is free to play. - Hry
As a veteran MTG and TCG/CCG player I have learnt a very good addage.
"If you think you can evaluate cards then you can't evaluate cards"
Sometimes something you dismiss as bad another absolutely cooks with and it becomes meta. Pair that with new releases and things get messy quick.
Either way absolutely astounding vid and I'm rooting for you to hit 2K by the end of the year!!
Thank you!!
I think being incorrect is inevitable - since I'm doing patch summaries I inevitably have to make some early calls which can be wrong. The main thing is to keep an open mind when you see the card performing well.
Though the takeaway here is, gotta be mindful why it works in that specific deck and not generalize too much.
Great vid! Would have liked to see information on how people can find winning deck lists for reference/learning/baseline.
Another thing I'd like to add - One trap that many less experienced card game players fall into is forgetting to account for the card itself when they look at the cost of the card. The easiest example is comparing Liyue Harbor (2 cost location: 2 draw at end of turn. 2 uses) against 2x Strategize. Liyue Harbor is 2 dice for 4 cards, and 2 Strategize is also 2 dice for 4 cards but you get them immediately, so 2x Strategize just looks better. However, when you add in the 'hidden' cost of the card itself, it's easy to see that Strategize costs 2 cards and 2 dice for 4 cards, for a gain of 2 cards overall, while Liyue Harbor is 1 card and 2 dice for 4 cards, for a gain of 3 cards overall, a whole 50% more cards gained than 2x Strategize. Of course, it's countered by the Delay like you explained in this video so it's not a slam dunk.
Yeah that's a really good point and totally true - I didn't quite have time to go deep into that to keep the video under time, but a card that combines 2 cards in one is extremely powerful - taking Liben as the example of Strategize + Bestest with a 1 round delay.
But I think it's easier for a player to want to play Liyue Harbor over Strategize, seeing 4 cards vs 2, but most decks prefer it the other way around.
I just saw the title and i was like "OMG HE LISTENED TO ME OH MY GOD"
Good vid btw keep it up
Thanks for the suggestion! I always have a few topics in mind for these so comments help me decide which to do
Thanks for the vid! Very helpful for those out there building creative decks and, possibly, new meta!
Yes! I definitely encourage building your own decks and my goal is to make those as good as they can be! Definitely will be doing a deeper look at deckbuilding in another one of these, so stay tuned!
Super informative vid, as a fellow TCG enthusiast whos been playing for months now I love all the info you can get ^^
Something I learned to really get ahead and achieve mastery is to keep challenging - against others and yourself by studying and widening your horizons to all the opportunities characters and cards can give you.
I believe thay even if some characters/decks are 'stronger' or more 'meta' than others, it really goes down to *how* and *when* they're used, because like in actual Genshin gameplay - everyone has their combat merits and specialities that just need to be efficiently utilized
Then use all that knowledge to gain some foresight and anticipation during matches and get better and better.
Yes there's definitely a lot that can work outside of the established decks, and even those have some flexibility in which characters you want to use in specific slots.
I'm really a fan of any tournament format that includes some bans, because when you're not allowed to repeat characters in decks and people can ban some decks it adds a LOT of variety to what is possible
well made and super helpful video, thanks!
Thank you!! Glad you found it helpful
Finally a deep dive, into what makes a card meta. I had the same hypothesis.🤔
tysm for the class!
Tysm for watching!
I’ve been watching the Invokation Akademy 101 series, it’s been very helpful! Would be perfect if there’s subtitles (English is not my native language so I struggle to listen to a few words sometimes) but I want to thank you for the useful knowledge. Hopefully I’ll get decent at TCG soon! 😂
You should be able to turn on closed captions - the translations aren't perfect but they are usually good enough
Thanks for the video, of course cards in decks will differentiate based on their archetypes for example stall would want tenacity of the milleth all the time basically,combo decks with parametric,and aggro decks with fast and efficient cards. Knowing these types of cards in decks allows you to guess what your opponents cards in hands are and potentially see what their play is.
Yes! Playing around opponents possible cards is definitely another factor, but probably quite advanced for the average player haha. I didn't have much time to go into which cards are preferred by which archetype, but there definitely is a pattern
I would love any information on how to evaluate energy - I really struggle to think about it, e.g. I know sometimes holding on to a burst is desireable even if it means wasting an energy, but figuring out when is tricky.
Energy is definitely more advanced and I left it out here, so might be worth covering in a different lesson. Card wise though Starsigns is a baseline value for 1 energy.
The scenario you're describing of when to burst though is even harder to answer because it mostly depends on how the game is going and the matchup.
If your opponent has one key character you need to take out as a priority, saving bursts can be a good idea. Otherwise generally avoiding overkill if you can is another thing to watch for
This is a pretty common analysis for turn based games, value vs tempo
Like in Chess, winning by value is being up a rook then trading every other piece while tempo is doing a flashy queen sac for mate
Value in Invokation is relatively well defined at 1 card = 1 dice = 1 health/damage
Tempo is usually more nebulous but it can be seen as turns or being able to use faster, both getting the value and being able to use it to begin with
L-It-T Me does kind of set the value of a turn as 1 card while a ton of cards have a 1 less dice for 1 round delay
Every card can also immediately be used to tune dice and effectively be half a Bestest, puts into question the efficacy of that card
That said you never want to just use fair stuff but cards can't be designed to be unfair so its about using them in unfair ways
Would love to see you do more in depth analysis but doubt its a good format for CZcams
Definitely, at some point I will for sure do one analysing tempo a little bit, though I prefer the term pressure for GITCG specifically.
hehe, nice! :)
it's helpful.Btw can u make a lecture about how many card added in ur deck for drawing suits the best? I think this can be complex,it would be appreciated if u could let me know
I dedinitely want to do one on general deckbuilding to help ppl make decks, and that sounds like something I can cover in that, sure!
In general though mosy decks will play 4 card draw cards, and some decks want 6 or more. Remember Liben also counts as one
@@blepthecat For calculating how many card-drawing cards should we add,
I guess all we need to do is to setup a funtion f(N), and use differential to calculate when the function reach its maximum, that's when the card-drawing cards maximize value ,
f(N) = Effective Draws * DF = (TotalAdditionalDraws×E ) * DF = (N * D * E) * DF
N (Number of Card-Drawing Cards );
D (Additional Draws per Card-Drawing Card provided);
E (Effectiveness Factor),as u mentioned,some factors like flexibility or whether it is delayed from to benefits
DF(Dilution Factor ),To represent the diminishing returns of having too many card-drawing cards
To simplify the calculation, we only consider the factors that matters while treating some factors like E as constant as for controlled variable method .
f(N) = N * D * DF
the issue now becomes what should the DF be,what model to choose, a Linear Model?a Inverse Model?a Logarithmic Model or smth else?
I want to ask for ur help
@@yanyuisam haha while I normally like math a lot (and at some point I will do a deep dive on dice fixing and dice rolling with math), I think this is a bit too complex of a problem.
For example how you use card draw changes based on what kind of deck you're building, as well as even what your opponent is doing. The reason 1 cost cards are so much better than 2 is because it's easier to fit into a turn when you have extra dice left - and card draw tends to be one of the best things to do with 'spare' dice
@@blepthecat ur right
@@blepthecat Happy new year for u.I comuunicated with a profesional player also and I guess we reached a consensus approximately,the formula is indeed correct,but in real life as items are countable,just simply compare them can be more not time-consuming and comprehensive.Here I want to ask u for some other questions.
When rolling 2 dice unwanted but u can
use it to apply equipment,reroll or not?
Toss-up vs bestest travel companion .which one is stronger in different scenarios
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is he forgot to say that we have only 4 places for locations/friends/etc?
I'm going to say some people (me) need to hear this because one time I tried to make a Dunyazard/Tubby deck 🤦♀️
That's definitely a restriction on summons and locations, but there wasn't quite enough time to conver all the different types.
In reality though it's not a huge problem outside of tubby decks so it's a bit specific to that deck.
Is Shenhe + Double Anemo still worth using after her nerf? If so with which ones? I've seen more people use Sucrose than Wanderer this patch.
I think it still works well, both Sucrose and Wanderer versions. Definitely worse than before, but it's only 1 or 2 damage across the game less than before - not a huge impact. If you like the deck, definitely keep playing it!
@@blepthecat I was looking into building one! I never tried it and caught wind of it after the nerf, haha. I'll look up some guides!
Waiting for Kazuha upgrade...
He's definitely underplayed so would be nice
I am a yugioh fan. This dice mana system is kinda a turn off otherwise it's pretty fun
It's very different from other TCGs for sure, and takes some getting use to, but the dice system is actually what I like about it haha! I can see why not everyone would like it though.
After you get used to it though the dice end up being a really fun part of the strategy
A little irrelevant but do you think shenhe SC is still viable? if so then is there a new playstyle?
Totally! The deck relies less on icy quills even than Shenhemo so it wasn't affected by the nerf much.
Since you usually use Shenhe skill twice in a row, you weren't normally using up all 3 stacks of the first use, so at most you lose 1 dmg from the buff on the second. Not much change at all
@@blepthecatAh, i see, i was asking this question because shenhe SC is my favourite deck, just wanted to see if it had a new playstyle, thanks!
Are the 2 action card missing for everyone? I've completed every challenge bought everything got the 2 cards from the event 5-6 months ago. What am i missing
There are two cards that are locked behind world quests - Rhythm of the Great Dream and Pankration. Probably the two your are missing
@@blepthecat oh the rag and bone shop! damn you're right, thank you for replying
Hello! Is Shenhemo still good?
Think it's still strong! The nerf didn't hit it super hard, but it's definitely a bit worse than before but 1 or 2 dmg in a game - not a lot