Let There Be Carnage - How To Make a Movie for 10 Year-olds | Anatomy Of A Failure
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Venom: Let There Be Carnage continues Eddie Brock and Venom's story from the 2018 box office hit Venom, this time by adding in Cletus Kasady and Carnage. They focused strongly on making a movie for little kids and younger audiences in general much like Michael Bay's Transformers, which seemed to work because it made half a billion dollars at the box office. But that choice also seemed to alienate some older audiences even more so than the original. So in today's episode of Anatomy of a Failure let's identify a few core factors that make Venom 2 "for kids" so that we can then choose whether or not to use those factors in our own work.
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Venom: Let There Be Carnage (2021)
Eddie Brock (Tom Hardy) spends his days in isolation, striving to arrive at some semblance of haphazard harmony with the creature Venom. However, Eddie's tenuous sense of peace descends into chaos when the psychologists at Ravencroft Institute for the Criminally Insane begin experimenting upon Cletus Kasady (Woody Harrelson), unleashing a creature that Eddie knows only he and Venom vs Carnage birth let there be carnage ending fight let there be carnage post-credits scene after credits reaction venom 2 bad movie good movie clip o venom 2 best scenes venom funniest scenes let there be carnage fight scene prison scene carnage is born venom 3 n let there be carnage full movie analysis let there be carnage compilation funny moments ending explained are strong enough to face in battle. Venom - How To Kill A Movie In 12 Minutes | Anatomy Of A Failure venom failure Directed by Andy Serkis. is venom in no way home symbiote Michelle Williams, Naomie Harris, and Stephen Graham co-star.
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Venom (2018)
Director Ruben Fleischer’s superhero film revolves around the chaotic exploits of the Marvel Comics villain of the same name. Tom Hardy stars as Eddie Brock, a journalist who becomes the host of an alien symbiote - acquiring superhuman abilities and a malevolent alter-ego in the process - while investigating the true nature of the secretive experiments conducted by the unethical leader of the Life Foundation (Riz Ahmed). - Krátké a kreslené filmy
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What about spiderman homecoming? I personqlly think its okay.
THE DARK KNIGHT
Red notice. Would be curious what you think about it. I think it was good for what it was but I’m open to interpretations especially yours
Nightcrawler ( JAKE GYLLENHAUL )
It's too underrated but a perfect psychological thriller
Gremlins.
Carnage is one of the most brutal characters in comics. He unapologetically commits so many awful and gruesome crimes and they're usually shown clear as day. Making a movie with him PG-13 just feels wrong.
It’s marketing for more money
To me, the pg-13 rating was a red flag that this movie wasn't gonna be good. Venom and especially Carnage isn't Rated R? I've seen him throw infants out of windows, brutally murder anyone he feels like- part of his main appeal is his psychology. He's a supernatural serial killer with a symbiote that's stronger than Venom and Spider-Man. Most Carnage and Venom fights typically involve a team-up with Spidey (which is a part of Venom's lore that both movies seemed to ignore, but I digress).
Donnie Cage's Venom, or even the character in general, works better in darker tones in my opinion. Same avenue as Wolverine, Deadpool, and the Punisher. Hell, he's an anti-hero just like them. The psychological battle with Eddie and Venom, the Dark tones with Carnage, and a similar philosophical debate on morality that Daredevil and Punisher have. I think Venom(especially looking back) ignored the important dynamic between their aligned disdain for Spider-Man, but more importantly, they didn't make Carnage a credible threat with issues and I feel this movie misses the mark in their portrayal. I'm not saying that I wanted Venom to be exactly comic book accurate, I simply want some character development and an embrace for the darker side of Marvel Comics that Sony could've explored with Venom and Carnage
@@thehobbyist7275 even other versions of venom are darker then this, even agent venom had drinking issues and had no legs, Lee was a monster, mac was animalistic, and the clones were worse because it didn't have the memories of the venoms
yeah, sadly this movie and the prior were watered down mcu like rubbish. This venom series needs a total reboot and they need to focus on the depth, darkness, and maturity of these characters. Enough of the comedy and silly crap.
100%. It should've been rated R. It could've been so much better. But I totally understand them keeping it pg-13
let's be blunt:
for a character like Venom or Carange, this films should have been rated R
surely seeing what happened in the comics and how kids read them
problems of this horrible movie are waaaay beyond just rating unfortunately , even with r rating the script is still horrible
I think it did fine with its PG-13, the only part I thought could’ve been a bit more gory was the prison escape scene but that’s it. (You don’t gotta hear 50+ F words to enjoy a movie)
Being R rated doesn’t fix pacing, writing or acting problems.
@@silashurd3597 I kindly disagree. A prison full of convicts is obligated to make all the sailors of the world proud 🧐
Carnage is one of the DARKEST characters in comics. He NEEDED a hardcore R rated film before ANYTHING ELSE>
Gore = good movie i guess
@@isithplays tell me without telling me that you dont know shit about Carnage apart from his role in this movie.
@@HerpaDurpVg The movie didn't have to be rated r mate. Who I like it to be rated r? sure. But the quality of a movie doesn't change if it's pg13. I enjoyed the movie and the different approach to Carnage. It was better than the first movie by a mile. Movies don't have to be comic accurate. Just look at the MCU for example
@@isithplays yeah but removing the r rating of the character makes it just bland
That's kinda like making a pg 13 saw movie, I'm sure you can pull it off but that's just stupid
@@azerty1933 I have to agree with the other guy, Carnage doesn’t NEED gore. Hell, look at the animated series…
Well in the comic, the reason Carnage is red is because the part of Venom that Cletus gets fuses with his blood and his blood becomes the symbiote.
It wasn't a separate entity, it's a part of Cletus. In the comics Venom refers itself as "we" because it's a symbiotic relationship but Carnage in the comics refers to himself as "I" because it's just Cletus... So technically removing Cletus' symbiote from him would kill him because it is his blood, I guess?
In some comics they were separated in some ocations but the simbiote always returns to Kasady because they are practically the same entity.
I don't remember very well but I think that even exited a she-carnage, Spider-Man/Carnage, Ben Railly-Carnage and more. But yeah the simbiote always return to Kasady.
@@freddyjosereginomontalvo4667
Yeh, at the least the symbiote is a part of Kasady and he is Carnage, I dunno 🤷♂️
@@freddyjosereginomontalvo4667 To think that the big break to defeat Carnage was "they are not symbiotic".... like Kletus and Carnage are not the most symbiotic symbiote in all the Marvel universe. it's one of the dumbest thing I ever heard from a movie adaption.
Yeah another thing the symbiote wanting to kill Venom out of fear of being defeated is stupid considering children are inherently stronger than their parents in the symbiote world
@@freddyjosereginomontalvo4667 Is the she-carnage you were thinking of yellow? If so, that symbiote is scream.
"Criticism of a movie you like isn't criticism of you."
This should be the first thing everyone sees when they log onto the internet for the first time.
Thing is though, when some people criticize a movie, they sometimes say something along the lines of "Anyone who likes the movie is childish and stupid." Just saying.
People are free to like what they like. That's why there's so many categories and types of movies.
But it's actually criticism of me in indirect way, by criticising my tastes.
@@guiltyshoes Not exactly since your taste might not be related to the quality of something. Like, you might love a bad movie just because your favorite actor\actress is the lead of the movie. My mom, for example, loves Nicolas Cage and she watches anything with him, even if she can admit she didn't liked the movie or it was bad she just shrugs it off cause "At least I got to see my Cage acting, I'm happy enough" as she herself says. So, unless you taste of the movie is directly connected to the quality of it, or, the quality you perceived on it, it's not an indirect critiscim of you
@Brandon Knight Maybe, but still, people could/should practice internet etiquette.
I had the impression that Carnage was created, in the comics, because Venom was evolving to be a more sympathetic character to the point it didn't make sense portray him as a villanous monster anymore, so they created Carnage to fill this role. So, in this movie, it seems they've toned down Carnage's monstruousness.
Which is ironic because Cletus and Carnage are more symbiotic then Venom, mostly because Carnage was freshly born when he bonded with Cletus. It's like having a kid grow up with a psycho parent, that kid is only going to know one way of life. That's why Carnage says 'I' instead of 'We', he and Cletus are perfectly bonded. They should've kept that angle for the movie, but the director didn't give a shit so why should I.
@@heartless2147 I think Carnage doesn't say we in comics cause differently from Eddie, Cletus doesn't respect his symbiote. To him it's just a tool.
@@yurilouback6331 I'm pretty sure it's also because both the symbiote and Cletus have completely merged into one being, so carnage is cletus and cletus is carnage, thus the use of I
@@epicinferno6703 yep you got it. There's basically no separation between carnage and Cassidy, they are 1 being.
Well considering half the stuff Carnage does in the comics would probably trigger the paper thin sensibilities of modern society I see why, Though I would have loved to see Carnage as the absolute imhumane monster he actually is. They had colossal potential to make a series of films with him which could have led to Venom meeting Spiderman, The Carnage Family and/or The Symbiote War. Unfortunately they did to Carnage what they did to most of Marvels biggest villains: make one film and kill them off instead of making them come back stronger or with some form of elevated threat. Red Skull, Ultron, Hela, Warmonger, Doormamu etc
“Criticism of a movie isn’t criticism of you”
One of the best short quotes I’ve ever heard in a long time. *Somebody give this guy a goddamn award…*
Lmao, dude, chill, this is a basic common sense but you respond like you've been enlightened or something.
@@Piterixos Can’t take a compliment
@@Piterixos it *should* be common sense but it's not so common these days, most people take criticisms as insults
You attack my choices, you attack me!
@@mikeydluffy2718 That sounds like everyone that critiqued Ghostbusters 2016, and then were called Misogynists because they told the truth that the movie stunk terribly.
Carnage: * rips someone in half *
Blood: *I missed the part where that's my problem*
Pg 13 hehe he ha
@@Local_commentor You want blood in your CARNAGE movie? Lmao
-Producers
@@partyelixir1265 I wish they made more r rated superhero movies like in the comics things get gruesome
@@Local_commentor yaa for now DC and before Fox(now under Disney ownership) understood that when the character was gruesome in the comics... HE SHOUOD BE GRUESOME IN HIS/HER MOVIES. Cause for now Logan is still the best R rated superhero movie. Deadpool coming in second
Lol
Can’t explain how simply thankful I am that he elaborated why he’s taking a break from the platform. Also helps that nearly all his viewers want to see him succeed as a screenwriter
post holiday cpm for ads goes in the gutter and doesn't go up till around feb, it would also financially make sense to take a break during this period.
Hell yeah, if he's actually getting the opportunity to write for an actual movie. That is amazing, and I really hope it goes well for him.
@@jordanfelt5978 I think that was just a segue into his sponsored plug
I....think he'll still be making content regularly. That was just for the sponsor.... >_>
@@logicrules5793 I mean possibly, but how amazing would it be if he actually had the opportunity to work on a movie set? Assuming that it is indeed true, that's awesome for him.
I also found a little hard to get behind “adorable” Venom “Coming out of the Eddie closet” when he was bonding with innocent people until it killed them. I mean that was main reason the villain in the first movie was a bad guy, yet here Venom does it and it’s supposed to be funny.
Oh that's interesting, I assumed they were okay because that would have been tonally skewed
@@202cardline Nah they looked pretty dead. Plus Venom even says "Another one bites the dust." indicating they died. And yeah that's a perfect way to word why it bothered me, it was very tonally skewed.
I loathed that scene. Venom is supposed to be an intimidating alien monstrosity and this completely killed any attempt at taking the symbiote seriously.
@@jakobrenner2230 That because you can’t really do a good « anti hero » Venom solo franchise without first introduce him as the counterpart of Spider-Man. Peter Parker is the reason Venom exist, if you remove him at the core then it’s just a failed attempt at being Wolverine/Punisher with jokes.
@@togucvinw7 you could do it with someone who isn't "spider man" specifically, but you would need to replace him with someone who's basically the same character but not for marketing reasons. the core aspect of an anti hero is that he will have noble intentions, but not necessarily noble methods of achieving them, and the core aspect of venom is that spider man is all the things he isn't.
if you made his ex's boyfriend from the first movie a supercop or something who could save the day without having to eat people or court a scary alien hentai monster, it would let you have the same arc with eddie struggling with that desire to accomplish his goals the way someone else would, and explore the pros and cons of each approach
i remember watching this in the movie theatre with my dad. behind us were two teenage boys. after the movie was over, they said "that was shit" and i couldn't agree more with them.
🤣 thanks for sharing
Who the fuck walks into venom let there be carnage and expects quality?
@@oimate6357 i wasn't expecting it to be as bad as i was though.
@@oimate6357 I think he means in the literal sense it was shit, rather than every cringe teenager's thinking of "if it's the shit, then it's dope"
I remember every movie having those teenagers vaping and taking flash pictures for Snapchat while gossiping about school drama
The symbiotes are some of the coolest concepts in comics, it's sad that they're reduced to alien superhero suits for kids because that's easier to write than the psychological horror action romance body horror thrillers they have the potential to be used in
Too many buzzwords opinion rejected
@@littleshrimping6872 👶
@@esbenm6544 I'm sorry but when someone says "psychological horror action romance body horror thriller" I find it as nonsense. I am not a baby here you sir are just a fool
@@littleshrimping6872 eh no you're the fool
Like that one movie with Deadpool and mysterio in space
The scenes that took me out the most on this movie was Carnage creating a tornado inside the prison and also Carnage hacking a computer to find where his girlfriend Is.
The hacking part was in the comics so there is that at least lol movie was trash overall.
@@adrianocollinzo5712 I'm sorry but that automatically makes that comic trash too. Say no to lazy writing.
@@Pllayer064 doesn't matter if you think it's trash and not a lot of people like it.
Well comic book characters in general have a way to do multiple bs things with their powers so that’s not new, we can’t look for the real life logic in fiction for absolutely everything because then you just suck the imagination out of everything
@@brandonfitzgerald1457 judging from the reviews, not really 😆😆
I actually like the scene where Eddie reads the Cassidy letter cuz the Burton-esque animation bit was great, but they could definitely have made it an opening montage of sorts with no narration.
@@alderChristianHarten ur overreacting. Ro
@@alderChristianHarten still better than that unfinished clunky CGI doe. At least it had some artistic value or whatever
It was meant to look like creepy drawings
eh it felt so out of place
@@alderChristianHarten?
I like how the thesis is how this is a movie made for 10-year-olds. And yet, in Spider-Man: The Animated Series, a literal show for 10-year-olds, they added a bit more of a layer to how the Carnage symbiote bonded to Kasady. It's not super deep, but Kasady was exposed to Brock transforming into Venom and craved that sort of destructive power. Later on, when given the opportunity to Bond, he begged for it, but was told that he had no choice. The symbiote had to choose _him_, not the other way around. And that it as a creature is attracted to something that matches its brutality. Here, it feels like a disastrous fluke, which _can_ work in movies in certain circumstances. But it doesn't seem to carry much weight, neither for the symbiote or for Kasady. He had no idea what he was doing, so he didn't understand the gravity of his actions when he did them.
They said "Carnage and Kasady isn't a symbiotic match"
I was like,
"Umm, they are both okay with killing, so it's actually a better bond than venom and brock though"
@@luster5497 yeah but Carnage tried to kill cletus's girlfriend
@@brandonfitzgerald1457 Cletus never gave af about any of his love interest tbh he abused most of them, even the other villains he had relationships with, he chose killing over everything and then after his obsession to kill Spider-Man
@@RojoTrueShinobi that may be true sometimes in the comic books but this is a different story. They were trying to make Cletus kasady more sympathetic.
@@brandonfitzgerald1457
If I remember correctly venom killed her by actually throwing her off the church....so venom is worst than carnage, remember venom is bad?.
I watched the movie with a friend and when the big fight happened I said aloud "Is this already the climax???" the whole movie felt like an empty chain of events that just lead to another symbiote fight.
Also what's up with her inviting her ex (which she knows still loves her) to dinner only to tell him she's getting married? Then getting mad at him for his obvious feelings? What kind of logic is that.
I didn't like the bonding of carnage & Kasady in this movie, in the comics and animated shows their bonding was practically a perfect match that they became one entity referring themselves as "I" instead of "We".
Yeah, I never understood why they did that. It felt like a reverse Spider-Man 3 situation. What I mean by that is that Venom in Spider-Man 3 also referred himself as "I" instead of "we," whereas in this movie it's Carnage referring to himself as "we" instead of "I." It's very odd.
@@allenmurallo3730 venom in spiderman 3 acted more like carnage, slim, fast. Venom is more bulky and big.
Exactly
We are always going to have different incarnation's of the same character.
"I saw Let there be Carnage. It was everything I wanted"
"Oh, was it good?"
"I don't know, but it was everything I wanted"
"I said it's what I wanted, not what I needed."
@@Noudist 👍👍👍💯💯💯💯💯
it was bad but I saw it 2 times
This is it, lmao, this is really it
Its the Venom film we deserve, just not the one we need right now.
The funny thing is that in the UK, this film was rated 15. This meant the audience who would particularly enjoy this film were not able to see it in the cinema.
So sad. Hopwfully all those 10 year olds got to watch it
“WE ARE… LETHAL PROTECTOR!!!!” I don’t think I’ve ever laughed so hard at a comic movie line and it wasn’t even meant to be a joke!
It was a joke
The only thing I enjoyed about the movie was that carnage was in it, but otherwise it was weirdly paced, had a very goofy tone and I found Venom more tolerable in the first movie as he wasn't just mainly their for goofy humor.
love how everyone praises their “relationship” but even that is underdeveloped. venom wants to eat people. eddie doesn’t. the movie does not go into further detail.
@@sub-zero5433 Not just underdeveloped, it seems to go backwards in this film.
Honestly, I loved the first movie, but I always said it was a piece of crap, an entertaining piece of crap, but a piece of crap nonetheless. This film isn't anywhere near as entertaining to me as the first one was. It almost feels like they made a completely different movie, took a look at the "finished" product, realized they messed up, then edited it into something else entirely, then realized it was nothing like the first, and edited it again, then shipped out this hot mess. There are a few praiseworthy things in it, but they are overshadowed but what doesn't work.
More like Woody Harrelson carrying the entire movie by just his acting
@@neilsedaka1194 I found while watching it that, for the most part, woody harrelson was doing an okay job carrying a difficult character like cletus. it’s what made the scenes with eddie AND cletus so hard to watch, bcuz woody is actually trying and tom hardy is so obviously half-assing it. I don’t understand the people who say he was a “perfect choice” for venom, he clearly only sees it as a paycheck job.
I found the movie very underwhelming when I first saw it. By far the thing that set me off the most was that they completely undermined the point of having a mentally unstable villain with a dark story by turning him into a typical marvel villain for, well, ten year olds.
My problem with Kassady is the same problem I had with Voldemort, you don’t see avoldemort being a genocider , you only hear it .. like Voldermort only killed 2-3 people on screen which didn’t convince me to how dangerous he is!
He killed like 30 people in gringots bank in deathly hallows when he finds out that the cup was destroyed
plot twist, harry is the real villain all along
He's also just not a very compelling villain, imo.
@@frde2190 a quick montage isn't sufficient
You know that scene when Dumbledore and harry go to get the amulet from that lake and all the “inferi” come up form the lake. In the book it is stated that Voldemort had created all those inferi himself. There is literally hundreds if not thousands of dead bodies reanimated to protect one thing. That was the scene that set in how dangerous Voldemort was for me.
I appreciate how you don't just criticize movies, you also give notes on how you'd improve on the ideas.
Something that I liked about the first one was how venom took hiding seriously and only did it when it was absolutely necessary but in this one he does it whenever he wants to the point where brock needs to keeo him in line so he doesn't kill people
Also the psycho guy sucked, it felt like they wanted to do the "society is bad" from joker but did it backward by setting up the society aspect after he killed hundreds of people without justification
Paycho guy?
You mean Keltus Cassidy/Carnage?
How the fuck do you not know how name?
@@spider-man500 because it sucked
@@spider-man500 I mean to be fair you wrote his name wrong too.
It’s Cletus , not Keltus but I did enjoy the movie.
@@spider-man500 Did you intentionally misspell Cletus Kasady?
@@spider-man500 you sound like a 10 years old kid. Misspelling, incomplete sentencing, unnecessary spacing...
I honestly love Ducktales, myself a 35 year old man was crying with its finale. Hell I'm tearing up now thinking about it. Such a brilliantly written show.
I'm so glad to learn I'm not the only person of that age that cried all the happy and sad tears watching Ducktales!
I loved that show too, that show brought me happy times during a tough era
You mean the newer one? Was watching it with my boys the other day. Great show
I'm 23 and can't stand it. I hate the Triplets except for Louie. Huey is just a sterotypcial nerd. He is boring even by nerd standards. Lisa Simpson, Dexter, and Double D he ain't. Dewy is irritating. I hate how he runs into trouble without thinking and is so reckless. Louie and Webby are the only good parts of the show.
@@icecreamhero2375 ok
6:42 - I *REALLY* agree with this idea in particular. Venom doesn’t really care about “stopping bad guys”; he cares about his next meal and he realizes that he’ll have a better chance of gaining Eddie’s approval if it’s a “bad guy”. The first argument the film shows us between Eddie and Venom is over food if I remember correctly.
I 100% thought Venom was taking off to go eat some people for the hell of it (which woulda made complete narrative sense) but then he goes off and gives some half assed attempt at an acceptance speech (where you can feel the mediocre writers sitting there so proud of themselves) that ends in a … mic drop. You know, that thing that was “cool” for 47 seconds back in 2009. That entire club scene was SO CRINGE. Thematically, it does NOT fit into the rest of the movie whatsoever. Venom says “I’m out of the Eddie closet!” - “I’m free!” etc, only to go do what…? Say people should accept aliens? Since WHEN has Venom ever cared about the “mistreatment of aliens”? You can tell/feel the entire scene was some strange attempt at humor/“woke”, and it came off as nothing but cringe. It made my body contort I was so uncomfortable upon first viewing.
Not to mention, the first film establishes the symbiotes are capable of living off of a host for a long ass period of time, then the old host dies. Why did Venom need to switch hosts every 3 minutes in LTBC?
Lazy writing
Yeah I thought that scene was pretty funny but it doesn’t make sense in the story and him switching hosts makes the only thing special about Eddie is that he doesn’t die after and hour, so he can just switch from person to person if he really wanted to
If it wasn’t pg13 I feel we would have seen Venom going off eating people, not partying at the most tame rave I’ve ever seen.
If you read the Venom comics 2016-2022 it makes sense. It still makes sense here slightly but in the comics you know 😏
But that is how venom works. The reason why he’s attracted to Brock is because of there equal hatred for spider man. WHICH IS WHY THIS MOVIE SUCKS CUZ IT MAKES NO SENSE IF SPIDER-MAN ISNT IN IT!!!
venom had a lot more going than just “i want to eat people”. he was actually investing in “stopping bad guys” or atleast helping eddie do his own goddamn job as a journalist. him ranting about heads wasn’t just about his hunger too. it was about the lack of freedom he suffered from because of eddie’s RULES. only to find that when he leaves eddie, he’s grown so attached and used to his partner that he still sticks to those rules and doesn’t even EAT anybody. even after his acceptance speech he then goes on to mope about how he wishes eddie was there to see him. same with eddie who finds out kasady might be out for him and he immediately thinks as to what VENOM would do. it’s about these two realising they’re so close and attached to each other that they really can’t stay separate.
They made Carnage so much more tame than the comics. I mean, I’ll admit that the CGI was great. They captured his looks well. But the character’s personality was greatly ruined. I don’t believe the actor for Cletus was very good at the roll. But then again, how can anyone really do Cletus justice in a PG-13 movie?
I think his actor could've been good. Like, nobody had faith in Michael Keaton as Batman back in 89 and look how that turned out, him and Tim Burton normalized a dark Batman in movies after Batman was known as a funny man who dresses as a bat with wacky gadgets.
I think the problem is they tried to make him too sympathetic and they make it seem like the Carnage symbiote was the problem, not Cletus himself. Sure Cletus murdered people prior, but they then later shrug it off like "Oh well, you know, abusive household." And then gave him a girlfriend that the symbiote gave no shits about but Cletus did.
It feels like they did that because they wrote themselves into a corner because of how powerful Carnage is, and were like "Ohh, uhh...Cletus has a....Girlfriend, and as a result the symbiote hates her because of her ability to screech...And.....They don't have perfect symbiosis unlike Eddie and Venom?"
I don't think the PG-13 rating doomed Carnage, it was the dumbing down of his insanity that did it.
The actor that played Cletus is a great actor. Hes just not a great Cletus actor. I wouldve loved for the guy who played Joker on Gotham to play Cletus in the futer
One thing that was confusing was their entire fight at the end - if both Venom and Carnage only can be hurt by fire or sonic sounds - what is the point of clawing at each other? Venom’s weakness isn’t being stabbed and bitten. They know what their weakness is - so the fight is pointless. Eddie would have done a better job without Venom and fighting Carnage with a flame thrower .
I guess Venom can't heal indefinitely before becoming weak enough to be separated and eaten by Carnage.
The fight is to hurt each other's hosts, as if the hosts are dead, the symbiote is much more weaker.
@Innocent Jogger The more he has to heal Eddie the more exhausted they become. He’s using precious energy to keep eddie Alive.
@Innocent Jogger if one symbiote somehow manages to seperate the other symbiote from its host, then it's game over.
@Innocent Jogger if riot would've eaten Eddie after seperating him, venom was dead goo, and riot didn't want to kill him anyways, he just wanted the other symbiotes to conquer earth, and he didn't kill venom as he underestimated him.
My whole “theory” or idea of what I was expecting from this sequel was the thought that because Eddie refuses to let Venom eat humans that Venom would find Kasady as a proper host to infect but because Kasady gets a thrill of killing and hurting people Venom would eventually decide that this guy isn’t right and would go back to Eddie, but a little bit of venom would have stayed in Kasady which would give way to Carnage.
Anyways that was my idea of how this film was going to go or lead into but what I saw in the theaters I was disappointed with the plot. All in all the film was fun to watch, it was still exciting to see my favorite comic characters fight, but I agree it was more lighthearted than darker from what I expected.
Congratulations!! Ur a better writer than the professionals. God I love modern cinema
I love it. You should've been hired instead of those amoebas called "writers" 😭😭😭.
Damn bro u did better a job at writing the plot than the people who made venom 2
@@anushmichealbiju916 lol thanks? 😅 I mean it’s what I got from the movie trailers, the vibes that venom was gonna run off with Kasady. No one else got those vibes?
@@TY-km8hj you're high lmao
I really wished they made it look as if Venom was becoming uncontrollably violent but when he got bitten or whatever that caused Carnage, the violence leaves him [essentially its the violence that Cass took in], which would make more sense (at least to me) why his by product was stronger than himself.
I remember having nightmares with Carnage. That's how terrifying he was for me. But this movie feels so wrong. There's no...Carnage. The one we saw in the movie looks like Carnage, has the same abilities, but has nothing to do with him. I think "Venom: Let There Be Carnage" would be perfect as a horror movie :/
The key to writing a good kids film is to pretend that you're writing an adult film.
When I think back to my childhood I watched a lot of movies that were meant for older audiences (My parents would always cover my eyes and/or ears before something violent or crude came up). I felt like movies were a constant back and forth between talking scenes and actions scenes, and even though I didn't know what all the useless babble meant at the time I still came to enjoy the pacing between action and talking. It taught me to be patient and to value whatever action scenes I got rather than wishing for a movie that was 'haha this is funny' 100% of the way through.
What's cool is that when I got older and learned what the words meant my appreciation for these movies went through the roof and dramatically influenced my preferences as a writer today.
Children don't need to be coddled and treated like idiots, they deserve a good logical plot and should be expected to have some degree of patience.
Preach man. I kinda had this but with star wars. I've loved it since i was a kid and what not to like it's cool and so is the story. But as I got older and could acc form an option of them properly, particularly the prequels I grew up alongside, I realised how much I grew to appreciate a lot of its elements. Many ppl hated its focus on the politics but those moments were fundamental to the story. I'll say with chest that if u take that and it's message away star wars is left to be just be a shallow " bad guy takes over cos why not and good guy win soon" story. They have their issues don't get it me wrong and could've been done better in many areas but like u said, children don't need to be treated as dumb or incapable of enjoying something complex and Is argue that it can only strengthen ur enjoyment amd appreciation of films as u get older. It did for me. Hell when I was a kid and got a bit older the prequels and clone wars humor was cringey even back then lool.
If you aim for kids you're dead. Adults are just grown up kids.
@@TY-km8hj that’s actually why I always lied episode 1. It was so much more on the world before the original trilogy, that I was interested in what caused its doenfalll
@@pian-0g445 ep 1 had amazing potential and is still I'd say a good film, however it is hampered by its faults and its mainly the writing and tone. A more mature and concise version of the story we got could've been gold and its a shame it took until ep 3 to get the maturity part.
I think the tone generally is one of the biggest issues of the prequels barring ep 3. The OT wasn't for kid or for adults, it was for everyone, and yes George has said many a time it's for kids yet you don't see that in the OT whatsoever and if he did that accidentally then he's an unintentional genius since idk any other films that strike as perfect a balance for kids and adults. Then u watch the prequels and u see him lean too heavily into a more childish tone and being for kids and it alienated the majority of the fanbase who were adults. I'm glad he included mature elements despite that such as the politics, however, it was a shift back and forth between being a fun adventure for kids wid terrible humour and a story of the rise of a tyrant, the perils of corruption and democracy and how a good person became an evil one etc. I wish we got a focus on the latter but I can still appreciate the prequels for what they are. Despite the flaws they are and always will be star wars, unlike the sequels which spat on what came before and did nothing compelling whatsoever.
Carnage is my favorite character....and I was so sad when I watched this.
Me too. Me too.... :/
At least he looked cool
Same
Carnage was literally so cool and I actually really dug his voice but I didn't like how they implemented him in this story
Haven't seen it but I assume it would of been a bit better if it was bloody like deadpool.
Great take.
I always thought the idea of a serial killer having a love interest was ridiculous. How does a person who's main drive is to kill have a crush?
I mean that worked in Dexter.
You may want to look up Rose & Fred West, a husband and wife pair of serial killers from the UK in the 90's.
I'm glad you articulated my thoughts. I kept thinking I was missing something whenever a character would say something like "Eddie's not a good writer anymore", "He's a crazy serial killer" cause I was listening to the movie while working but no it's just that bad.
I hate how bad they did my boy Carnage. Woody harrelson did the best he could with what he got though.
All the actors did amazing. It’s just the movie was disappointing even from a comic nerds perspective. Although it was still enjoyable to watch. I’d say the relationship between Eddie and venom carried this movie.
@@nobbyhere5981 I agree. Personally I don't think such a lighthearted really goes very well with Venom, but maybe that's just me.
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Even the jackass here says "CLETUS KASADY" more than the ACTUAL Cletus Kasady
"It is made for kids" Now it all makes sense. I thought Sony couldn't make a decision to go full Venom in Venom, to save him as a "good guy". But this makes more sense. Thank you 🙇♂️
In the 90's venom was just as stupid and a lethal protectorlike here. He fought carnage many times. This story wasnt made up for the movie they just had fun with it.
modern venom is an anti hero
Venom is venom and a good guy
I mean it's wrong but whatever
@@Degroni and in the 80’s he and Eddie Brock were made specifically to be Spider-Mans villain, hatred was their character. We can’t ignore the fact that Venom has changed in personality to villain to anti hero, along with a lot of villains that have been rendered as anti-hero’s with a sympathetic cause currently, the story was made up for the movie because the plot devices for confrontation and conflict between Venom and Carnage was a lot different than what it is in the movie, Spider-Man isn’t a direct conflict, that has an effect on Venoms character it’s not supposed to be the 80’s version based from Peter Parker, and on the movie as a whole it’s a movie with Carnage in it that’s PG-13, fans should know what it is, and even how Superhero movies have evolved, so I can’t watch many hero movies seriously at all because I come from an era of cinema where movies were serious that all ages could enjoy in almost all genres
This is one of the 1st videos of your channel that I've seen and some of the questions and probabilities imposed here are some of the same points I find myself making every time I watch a film so I'm thorough impressed and I wanna say, sub earned bro. This is a very nice video!
I just watched the movie and it really felt "child-like", as if I wasn't the audience for it when I'm supposed to, and I'm someone who will watch a good animation movie and enjoy it regardless of my age. I think the try-hard aspects of turning this movie into a movie for kids became too obvious. The sudden switches in tone were too obvious. While focusing on the younger audience, they're forgetting who has to money to actually want to watch the movies. They're lucky the characters already have a mature audience who will still pay.
I'm glad I didn't pay a dime for it.
For real
There were some elements of this movie I liked, the premise and cinematography for example
But holy symbiotes Venom, it nearly broke my neck with the amount of G-force it generated from the tonal whiplash
I went into the movie expecting something serious about a deranged serial killer with the occasional Joke that is par for the Course in a Marvel movie
Instead I got a movie that was desperately trying to be funny and serious at the same time. Yet somehow failed tremendously at both
THATS WHAT IM SAYING, but for real, the villain here was the biggest disappointment in my opinion
So you didn't watch venom, bc you would've known the tone since its announcment
You clearly don't know this franchise then. I went into it expecting some batshit insane pisstake of the first movie and that's exactly what I got. As HiTop films once so elequently put it: "If Venom 1 told a joke that it didn't get, this film gets the joke." You seem to have gone into it with the wrong expectations.
“Oh I know this one that’s a tree!”
@@littleredruri yep
The "main" reason why I think they prevent the characters from developing is simply because they're saving it for when he's officially in the MCU. Venom's main schtick right now is that he's an anti-hero, without the unstable nature of Venom and Eddie's relationship... it's just like Venom's gonna be TOO OP for future team-up movies because he basically just gonna be an edgy hero
He is just gonna come back to his universe and let a bit of the symbiote at a bar table.
Leaked post-credit scene
Lmao.
Yeah. The MCU just handed Sony back this Venom and said "ok thanks, bye."
Filmentooooo, que lástima que no haya ningún video pronto, pero aquí te estaremos esperando con ansias. Un abrazoooo
I actually liked this one compared to the first, tho I’d like more eddy and venom, there relationship is what makes this movie good
I forgot pretty much everything about this movie about 10 minutes after it ended. I knew the film was going to be forgettable, I didn't think it would be THAT forgettable.
I knew it and i DIDIN'T saw the movie..... because i was sure it's gonna suck ! I don't like how they treated Venom & Carnage, i don't like the goofy tone, Venom should be serious like Raimi movies
He forgor💀
@Giorgis Moschos you want it to be exactly like DC movies? Marvel mainly does films for kids they don’t make them rated r except for Deadpool that is how they always did
And they do it for kids to get wider audience for more money
@@MrMrjack18 have you read any venom comics, he's hella goofy
My wife really liked the first one and was excited to see this one too. I didn't like either, I thought they were really dumb and poorly written and executed. I was really hoping this one would be better. Surprisingly, my wife hated this one. She thought it was really childish, so it's funny to see the title of this video. She would approve. :)
If they had any cojones they'd go the "Logan" way since the first Venom movie. No pg-13, serious script and writing. They could've well enough bring separated version of Spiderman into these movies and end it all up with a Maximum Carnage movie.
I think this is your best video yet. The editing is just amazing
I wish they kept Carnage alive so we can adapt great comic book stories like "Carnage:USA", "Maximum Carnage", and, "Absolute Carnage".
Grendel would be cool... It's supposedly happening in the 3rd movie after no way home.
This one was maximum bullshit 😂😂😂
Yeah venom wouldn't eat carnage. Plus carnage would have killed him, far stronger.
@@bebopganymede Someone doesn't know their comics
Exactly. What's even the point in putting Venom in the MCU now if he and Parker can't team up against Carnage cause Carnage is fuggin dead? These idiots do everything ass-backwards.
The reason why Carnage is red in the comics is because the symbiote actually mixed with Cassady's blood. But the way it originally went is that Venom was actually carrying its offspring. But it's already clear that they had to make this work more reasonably somehow. Carnage never was in conflict with Cassady in the comics, they were technically one and the same already. But the movie had to put some kind of flaw in there somehow.
Yes, Eddie and Venom were not in sync, which is why they kept referring to themselves as "WE", while Carnage was "I", because symbiote and Kletus were in perfect sync.
@@njmfff Is that sarcasm? Sorry had to detect it through text
Honestly yes, they just put the dumb excuse of them not being on sync because otherwise Carnage would be unbeatable for Venom. Let's remember that because Cletus and Carnage have perfect symbiosis, he is insanely powerful to the point that usually Spider-Man and Venom have to team up to beat them, otherwise they get stomped.
@@theankh2872 "perfect symbiosis" doesn't really exist. What you have to understand about the Klyntar is that they have a mind of their own. What I mean by this is that they form their own opinions and own views on life. Venom and Eddie have been bonded for YEARS yet they're still constantly bickering to each other. In Venom Vs Carnage carnage is berated Cletus about how did he let Toxin beat him in a fight.
I actually really enjoy the movie. My main problem is that it's PG-13. Carnage is a brutal serial killer, it's just wrong to make a movie with him that isn't rated R. That being said, they did get away with quite a bit with that PG-13 rating.
Same that’s really my only gripe with it other than that I very much enjoy it
Ngl that scene with the tongue. Im not sure how they got away with that one at all.
Same here
why is video so well edited, i feel like so much work went here, its awesome
Makes sense. This was made to make a profit, and keep the rights away from Fiege. Sony can make a good movie when it wants to... it just didn't want to here.
"This was made to make a profit"
And we know Disney only makes movie because they love art.
If u are being sarcastic , u gave me a good laugh
if u are serious , u mean the old disney? Cause modern disney is cash grab machine and nostalgia milker which I get.
@@Jose-se9pu well all dinsey movies of phase 4 had lost money...
@@Jose-se9pu Marvel is under Disney's umbrella, not controlled by Disney. There IS a difference and it would behoove you casuals to grasp the particulars at this point
@@Jose-se9pu Never said they weren't guilty of pulling something like this either. (Hello, pointless _Black Widow_ prequel.) At the end of the day, it's a spat between two shitty corps that don't give a fuck about art.. so "picking a side" is practically irrelevant.
I personally enjoyed it but I also noticed flaws. This movie is enjoyed more with friends.
I agree
@UCnJCVLOzOsQP5xOtx3pcZvA i mean.. alright yikes
"...This movie is enjoyed more with friend..." WFT does that mean??! Pretty sure i enjoyed Deadpool alone
@@Joker.9.9.9 OP talked about this movie, not Deadpool.
@@Joker.9.9.9 I mean it's more enjoyable when you watch it with friends.
FIlmento i really love ur videos they r the only videos i watch that are in relation to films I love the way u analyse films
I loved it when he said that he is not saying the movie is bad and would leave that up to the viewer and titles the video 'Anatomy Of A Failure'.
No doubt, the movie was clearly cash grab, add Carnage and the casuals will eat it up and rate it 10/10. It's smart on Sony's part.
Add actors from previous movies, and fans will eat it up, let alone defend it.
You just need to stamp a "Marvel Studios" logo in it.
smart? maybe short term only. damage to the IP cant be undone but if theyre lucky maybe under the MCU's stewardship venom could have a bigger place. Hes part of a few teamups as well as the lethal protector series.
Can confirm, saw the first one once, 2nd one twice so far. :)
All Venom, no Carnage lol
This movie is like trashy cash grab just like GTA Triology remastered
I never expected filmento to talk about ducktales but good to know. The show deserve the praise
To be honest, tho I haven’t fully seen both Venom and this movie, I actually like them, but like he said
“Criticism of a movie you like isn’t criticism of you”
just because he said it doesn't mean it's true. Don't be a kid that believe what olders say.
@Filmento will never see this and I doubt anyone cares but me, but i get so freakin excited whenever I hear specific sounds from the bioshock franchise. love that small detail in these videos
Yep totally agree, the movie was not stimulating enough for an adult.
“That was legitness” caught me by surprise and got a decent chuckle. I LOL’ed.
Your editing is so on point
You gave me a new prespectie on this movie! Nice! Storywritingwise however, I got that. Thanks!
The Carnage spawn thing is actually accurate. That is literally how he was born. A bit of Venom, and a bit of blood lol
@No Name No, but reviewer from this channel should just check the source material, I had this comics when I was I kid and I remember that Carnage was created when Venom escaped from the prison ( after symbiot came to save him ) and they left small drop on cell window that jumped on Cletus. Simbiot didn't tell Brock about a "baby" because their species don't care about progeny. Brock know Cletus from prison cell where he told him about his victims - comics had much more sense than this movie.
@@Hangman1 filmento is steadily talking out of his ass more in his reviews, he already gave off this snobby air, but hes just dead wrong on some things now
Yeah but venom wouldn't defeat him and eat him. Poor writing.
@@bebopganymede actually Carnage's symbiot in comic's is much stronger than venoms, he literally tear him to the peaces but venom won because Carnage was younger and less durable - noise destroyed him first and Venom survived that ( ofc Carnage regenerate himself couple of months later )
@@bebopganymede That’s exactly what Venom did when he (and Spider-Man) defeated carnage the first time he ate the suit.
The only reason he didn’t eat Cassidy as well is because Spider-Man wouldn’t let him.
Carnage wasn’t very strong in the film. Got easily killed which is silly really considering Venom needs Spiderman to help defeat him. Also when Cletus is driving the red car Carnage refers to them as ‘we’ which is incorrect Carnage speaks in the first person and sees himself as one when combined with another. They had no idea about the character. I hate the CGI fest and the fight scenes are ruined when basic civilians are fighting against the symbiote
Agreed.
Some of that isnt entirely true, at least for the movie, this Venom never touched Spider-man so they dont have spidermans increased abilities/powers like usual, so its plain old carnage vs plain old Venom. In which case the cassidy in the films is clearly a lot less brutal with pure anger compared to the comics, he may have still killed many people but he isnt pure carnage leading towards insanity like he was in classic comics. In addition to that Carnage and Cassidy have a weaker symbiotic bond to one another in the films.
So basically, in the comics you have a criminally insane psychopath who murdered family members, killed countless civilians, killed a dog and burned down an orphanage and who has such a connected bond with his symbiote's desire for death that the symbiote just refers to themselves in the first person.
Compare that to Cassidy in the film who wants the love of his life, doesnt want her to get hurt and wants his story to be told to the public about how hes just a product of his upbringing. A Cassidy who constantly argues with his symbiote and has completely different desires and motives then his symbiote, with no knowledge of how to actually work together with it and who only really wants to fight Eddie because he didnt publish the story he asked for and doesnt actually seem to care much about Venom.
I mean it should be pretty clear that yeah within comics it makes sense for Venom to loose, but in the movie with how they set up Cassidy and with what little is shown of Cassidy I think it makes sense that Venom won
@@digitalfantasies4570 that’s a good point
Nd the fights weren’t even that good
Damn, I've missed your stuff. Thanks for the upload!
Man to be honest, I really like how they did the CGI with Venom - he looks BIG but also holds that "Alien" feel with how slick and shiny he is, same goes with Carnage, I think he looks really sick in Venom 2 but jesus christ... These characters are BRUTAL (or at least, supposed to be) yet not once do we see a spec of blood, and the film not being given the R rating is just a massive failure for Sony - look to movies like Deadpool, Deadpool 2, and Logan, these films are amongst the best in the comic book scene and the R rating allowed for more accurate story telling, and brutality.
Venom chomps a dude head off? Absolutely no feel there because it just doesn't resonate with the viewers since there is no legitimate brutality there, where there should be.
One of the major issues with this movie, character-wise, is that the most interesting part of the first one was the "buddy cop" relationship between Eddie and Venom. Both of these characters aren't much on their own, but are at their best when paired together. So, of course, this movie keeps them separate throughout the whole second act.
Yes, this is a common trope, but for it to work both characters have to be interesting on their own, and neither of them are here because they were both written to complement each other and _only_ for that.
If they would have made this a Carnage movie, similar to how Infiity War is to Thanos, it would have been a way better movie
I really hope he lets us know what the movie he's working on is. I'm really excited to watch it when it comes out!
Funny typo at 12:14.
"I'm enganged" instead of engaged. Lol congrats on the Spanish language work, bro. Your channel is great entertainment. I enjoy these recreational deep dives into cinema. I imagine those who write or aspire to work in this field appreciate your channel on another level.
I kinda love the idea : Hey bro, lets make a realistic movie about parasites who can eat people and can couse an insane amount of destruction, and lets make it humorous, but overall in a serious tone.
Yep, sounds like a great idea for kids movie, thats for sure.
It's PG13.
It's made for kids.
@@ReneAensland pg13 doesn’t always mean that
Research old fairytales. Many are gruesome and written for kids!
@@lisamortini8567 most people have forgotten the dark cautionary tale part of fairy tales since most of those stories have been given the Disney treatment.
The fact that it’s pg13 disproves anything you’re saying. It’s a cash grab. Plain and simple. It’s also not a realistic interpretation at all, it’s goofy as hell
6:14 That scene was actually character-focused. It showed how Venom felt chained by Eddie, and that how he felt Eddie never respected or valued him. It’s literally showed by his conversation with the rest of them. Yes, that scene definitely should’ve had the added improvement that you had suggested afterwards, but I don’t think the party scene should be removed or replaced, but combined.
Thats literally what is said dude, the pun is just it, but as said in the video its a telling show and Venom alright had said exactly it 8:32
@@SanguinaryoBR I hadn’t watched up to that point while writing the comment. (Which is why it was a time stamped comment) If I had watched up to that point, I would’ve said that same thing, because a freeze-frame with ‘A Telling Show’ isn’t enough to convince me that he understood what the scene was, because, well, a person holding a mic and talking to people in front of an audience is literally the words, ‘A Telling Show’ put into visual form. And I don’t think Venom being under-appreciated by Eddie was something told, because the ‘Breakup Scene’ showed exactly how Eddie disrespected Venom and how Venom retaliated-showing how hurt and frustrated Venom is at him.
Now before you respond, don’t take this the wrong way-I’m not trying to come across as rude. It may seem stupid that I’m writing this down, but I’ve dealt with a lot of toxicity based on having a conversation with emotions and gut reactions put first, and human decency and respect put second. This isn’t an attack on anybody and I’m not trying to assume that you will react like that, I’m just trying to take a preemptive measure so we can keep this conversation civil.
@@master0fthearts894 yeah man, relax about toxicity, me too isnt talking in a agressive way, some things may sound weird cause ita not my first language
But progressing, first: Eddie Brock is right, Venom was toxic with him too, AND toxic first. The show look like don't get it more into the narrative but venom is a parasict person, he kills the persons who he enter and just Eddie accepted it cause Eddie alrg was in a bad and sad situation in the first move, and after lies and almost kill Ed, they become this relationship where Eddie couldn't go anywhere without a parasict and agressive partner, but the show made it in a way this looked cool. Venom IS agressive, toxic and deadly, almost literally forced Ed to kill others persons and was Venom who attacked Letus and create Carnage. And if you look that way, Venom wanted an apologize at the end os just WTF, so Venom was like Peter in Spider Man 3 but didn't realise that he slapped Mary Jane, or its just a funny plotpoint
And second: Venom said he and eddie was over before the microphone scene, so yeah we knew that, he said it when they broke then the movie made a joke thats literally what happens
@@SanguinaryoBR I’m not discounting that Venom was ever toxic/dangerous, he obviously is, but the purpose of that scene was to show Venoms side, so I didn’t bring up Eddie there, because, well, it wasn’t an Eddie-focused scene, it was a Venom one. Eddie very well has a right to feel how he does about Venom considering that he murders people left and right, after having him, his house quality plummeted, his life was thrown into a loop, etc. I’m not discounting that he did anything wrong, I mean, he’s literally an Anti-Hero.
I’m just focusing on the Venom side because the scene was about Venoms side, because even if he was toxic first, credit should be delivered where credit was due-When Eddie realized about the marriage and was heartbroken, Venom comforted him and tried to help him. In a really crazy way, yeah, but he was trying his best. When Eddie needed to get back into the reporter game, it was Venom who used his powers to try and help Eddie, which payed off and did get him a great scoop and did get him back into the game. So when Eddie got mad at him for reasons that are perfectly reasonable, it made sense. But Venom getting mad back and retaliating because he felt that Eddie is ignoring him trying to help Eddie also felt reasonable because as weirdly as he may show it, he was definitely trying to help. No, previous treatment of your partner shouldn’t be ignored, but neither should current treatment.
And Spider-Man 3 had a very different Symbiote than the one from the comics and Venom movies. Even if it is technically an alien, in practice, it’s just a drug to fuel Peters egotism and selfishness in that movie. It doesn’t have a conscious character-Sam Raimi said it himself in the behind the scenes that it’s an allegory for drug abuse-so different universe, different Venom. They really can’t be treated as the same thing, especially since the movies have drastically different tones.
About your second point-I don’t exactly know what you’re trying to say? Genuinely, I’m a bit confused-like you said, it’s not in your first language, so it’s a bit hard to tell what you mean.
Yes
Loved the Tobey scenes with Hardy. You can only imagine how amazing it would be if it was actually like that.
So, showing is not only show thru the window, you must do a build up, show, than have the after.
Great lessons.
there are so many ppl out there craving for dark, edgy movie for ADULTS(tm). but this is exactly what kids desire. i kinda like that so many people enjoyed venom for being dorky romcom.
Watching this video made me realise just how much my brain filled in the gaps of storytelling for this movie. Like how I theorised that all the people Cletus killed are people he believes has wronged him (but Anne hasn't and that's why Shriek tells Cletus to stop Carnage killing her) and how Venom was pregnant with Carnage from the getgo but kept him inside himself out of fear which is why Carnage wants his father dead. Both nothing more than my fan theories but I attached them to my enjoyment of the movie.
venom wasn't pregnant wtf
@@pierre1069. 😁😂😂
@@pierre1069. Well he must have been to have spawned Carnage, it's how it works in the comics.
They produce asexually
Ayyee Grendel!
Éxitos aprendiendo español Filmento. Haces un muy buen contenido
Ok, I wasn't expecting to hear you talking in Spanish. Really cool, I hope you continue with it.
As a native spanish speaker, I have to say, I repeat it many times to understand what did you said there, but it was really fun 👍😅
This movie feels like the director watched the scene in the first movie where venom says “I am a loser like you” and just based everything else off of that
Honestly i really loved this movie, not because it was good, but because it was so fucking dumb and stupid, how it doesn't know what genre it wants to be, the terrible jokes and the fact that venom is somehow connected to the mcu. Eddie is supposed to fight peter in a future movie but he's like a 30 year old man while peter is a teenager, plus they removed the reason why carnage wants to kill eddie, they literally removed his motivation in the movie. Also woody is a 60 year old man and he's supposed to play a guy in his 20-30s
They know what genre they are, they are romantic comedies!
And I hope they keep that route when Venom meets Spiderman, we need a love triangle, and Hardy being 46 while Holland is 26 can be hilarious to see on screen.
And Cletus is over 50 in the movie, he is 25 in the flashbacks.
@@Jose-se9pu gonna consider this as a joke
They actually aged up carnage for the movie hes actually closer to woodys real age
I saw this in the theater and I was completely underwhelmed. I tried to watch it a second time and only got halfway through.
Great point about never seeing Cassidy never act like a serial killer . I thought this movie was awful.
I hate the rationale that if it's meant for kids, it doesn't have to be good...
literally every comic fan and someone who loves these characters would realise this movie wasnt good
I disagree lmao. I just liked the movie but it's not as bad as he describes it as. The movie was really dumb fun with stupid action, and I had alot of fun with it. Would've I loved if this movie was Rated R and serious ? Hell yes. However, I do understand why they went with this instead. Venom has been always been this mix of serious and straight up goofiness at times. Carnage was still...well...carnage and the movie did something most don't usually do. Having fun. Even if was bad at times, at least I had a blast watching it. I'm an inspiring filmaker and I want to just tell good fun enjoyable stories
my brother gave the movie a personal high rating, but pretty much only cause every other movie he has seen this year in cinema was absolute trash
This movie was not good beyond the whole unfaithfulness to the comic book. I'm rather unfamiliar to the characters so I can attest to that.
Exactly!
@@theretroshogun2961 Carnage is only Carnage at certain points. He spares some but kills others. Both the Protagonists and the Antagonists only actually clash once and it’s towards the end of the film.
Eddie is dumb down even more and can’t even notice a building in a picture drawn in front of him.
Cletus somehow knows a bit about Eddie Brock’s history despite having near to nothing to help him find that information.
Shriek is made into a hypocrite by seeing something wrong with killing someone for revenge after trying to kill someone for revenge.
Carnage is shown to have enough speed and force to create a whirlwind but only does it once.
The voice for Carnage is nowhere near as effective as it could’ve been.
Both Eddie and Cletus have barely enough interactions on screen to explain Cletus’ final words to Eddie.
The origin of Carnage is actually a lot more lazy than anything else as they could’ve done it where Venom’s outbursts and act ups were due to being pregnant and after Venom gives birth to Carnage it then goes on a hunt for a compatible host. Could’ve had the Symbiote find Cletus the night before his execution while he sleeps and the reason it remained dormant and why the Carnage Symbiote would want to kill Venom is because of Cletus’ twisted mind but instead it’s just “My Father must die just because”.
The movie isn’t as great as it could’ve been and if you take the goofiness out of the film and replace it with actual scenes to match the tone of what the movie could’ve and should’ve been then it would’ve been a lot better as a story.
This two movies doesn't work for me.
The first Venom i hate because of it's outdated plot.
The movie feels like typical old and not good superhero movie with Venom in title.
I'm personally prefer the Venom film with thriller elements and "r" rated of course...
In theatre I was so confused with the "I just wanted to be friends line" at the end cause... no, he didn't? I had to ask myself if I had missed a scene because as far as I was aware, Eddie first met Woody in jail, with no indication of Woody trying to be friends
Best review ever!
I personally was not dissapointed, since it was exactly what i expected... i prefer it compared to previous one.
yeah I also initially heard that it was better so that's what I expected going into it. Totally great that you prefer it! Where do you think it improved on the original? Those positive lessons are very useful as well!
The same with Narnia Chronicles Prince Caspian
@@Filmento i hated that horrible symbiote fight in first one something that this one improved upon, cinematography was better, i liked the whole esthetic, but still falls short on some aspects. Venom seems a bit over the top, new characters aren't properly introduced for me to like them and the plot is all over the place.
@@Filmento This movie improved on the villain a whole lot. Riot in the first film isn't a character, and Carlton Drake was very 1 dimensional as well. While neither Carnage nor Cletus are at all accurate, they're still WAY better characters and I'd say they're on parr with Venom and Eddie in the writing aspect.
They also used Eddie's journalism skills and showed more conflict between Host and Symbiote. Something that was so fun about the original was that it was just Tom Hardy running around sweaty and confused for 2 hours, it's just honestly great and this movie gave us more of it.
Fact of the matter is, the first movie set up a tone that this movie had to build on. It's genuinely sad that Carnage couldn't be Carnage and that they shifted Cletus so much, but if you take this movie away from the lens of a comic book viewer, then I think this movie is an overall improvement in every matter. It's still not great, but it's better.
I watched the whole ben 10 ultimate alien series because of aggregor, which I find very fascinating, I have never seen any villain with that goal-oriented. Now I understood why I loved ben 10 series because everyone had a goal to look for. Thanks, @filmento for explaining things.
Bro I swear, you have probably the funniest editing out of everyone in the video essay genre.
Nice video! It would be cool if you contrasted Cletus Kasady and shriek's relationship with Davy jones and Tia Dalma to see why one is more compelling than the other.
I didn’t like the film simply because of the PG13 rating. Having Carnage (a character known for extreme violence) in a PG13 movie just waters down the whole experience.
did you see any carnage in this movie? because i sure didnt lol. i feel the same way
@@mkocel Yeah just some off-screen deaths and people getting thrown around. No bueno.
To be fair the 90s Spider-Man did a pretty fucking badass Carnage even though it was pretty tame.
@@samueljones3668 Yeah that version was great considering he only killed people in nonviolent ways. I guess the fact they captured Carnage’s personality perfectly compensated for the lack of violence.
It’s a shame that Harrelson didn’t get a better script for his Cletus Kasady portrayal. He was the perfect actor for the job.
1:52 - I was going to ask "well, besides Gargoyles and Gravity Falls, what else even is there?" because I liked them so much that I had genuinely *forgotten* that I had watched every Marvel series on Disney+ before them.
They ought to release an extended cut. If done right, a decent extended cut almost always makes the movie at least a little better.
Think of it like this:
Theatrical cut = The shortest and most simple rout to the destination
Extended = The scenic rout
Personally, I've grown an odd appreciation for the Vemon movies I didn't have at first. And while I do vibe with them, I definitely agree they have their giant flaws at points. Idk, something about them just vibes with me lol
That's because the film has a very friendly vibe to it. I always categorize movies like this as "if Ryan Reynolds acts as himself and just do randomly funny things." It has unimpressive story-telling, has a weak ass plot, no deep themes, shallow characterization, and the story is made with only just "fun" in mind.
They remind of those 80s/90s movies that are simultaneously the worst movie ever made but also complete masterpieces.
@@jtsleazeball2548 Examples plz (any/all you can name). Would love to binge watch movie like that! Thank you!
Vemon 🍋 🖤
I think these days the superheroes are so perfect, it is nice to see some flawed ones that are still good overall but do bad things. It tells about the imperfections of humans, you can be a good person and still do bad things.
I feel you with ducktales, already loved te old one, but the new one pulled me emotional even more in the story. I would love to see an analysis from you about the show, I mean, there is som legit stuff to find, for example the character of Dagober Duck and how they changed him for the show to be more threedimentional and even fixed his stinginess.
Thanks for your work mate.
im on the beginning of season 3 now its awesome
Same like Gravity falls
I never understood why Hollywood thinks “telling us exposition” is more kid friendly. As a kid, I used to like the movies that showed more than told since I never retained the info when it was just explained when I was a kid (like all the dialogue in Jurassic Park).
Or like how I’m learning Japanese by immersing and the best ways to learn words are the shows and movies that are more about showing than telling cuz then I understand the plot and characters and learn new words along the way, same as how a kid learns new words when growing up in context