Will Zen5 offer better value for money?
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- čas přidán 1. 07. 2024
- Steve and Tim discuss the possibility of Zen 5 offering better price to performance when it's released...
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Is Zen 5 set to be better value than Zen 4?
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It's the price of the mobo that's alarming and driving the price to performance way up .
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I bet AM4 mobo makers didn't get much money because AMD gave such a long support. This time around they charge a massive upfront cost to get at least some money.
@@GrainGrown euh don't think it works that way
@@moetazammar964 euh can think whatever you want
I think if anything they made more money from AM4, since they could save money on keeping old designs (which saves manufacturing and development cost if you're just pumping out the same thing all the time)
I can hear the laughter from the boardroom from here.
Yes this man is number one disgrace and number one race four India
But he try his best his branes and four this I am not proud but little proud if half disease
AM4 kept getting good performance gains with revised architectures for reasonable cash while Intel kept getting more expensive and harder to cool without meaningful revision or commensurate performance gains. That's why AMD took over the custom desktop.
AM5/Zen4 didn't take off as quickly as AMD hoped for one primary reason: AM4 was still so good. I'm planning an AM5 build in late 2024 or early 2025, but not necessarily Zen5. I suspect Zen5 will carry an immense premium at launch because Zen4 will remain in very good supply.
Well, it's likely that Intel is focusing on making a bigger leap like AMD made with Ryzen in the past and for now just refreshing old hardware to have something to push to market and keep an appearance of competitiveness. Raptor Lake is just the current Bulldozer.
im doing the same im on a 3900x still does everything i need it to, but it lacks in rpcs3 emulator on some titles, and even in some of the editing i do on UNITY and video editing, yea it does it fine, but im gonna do a build later this year or early 2025 to see what comes up, may just do a whole swap to ddr5 and new gpu too im on rx 6800 but not sure i may throw it out yet may keep her, but there is soo much to choose from with a 14600k or even a 7800x3d not to mention if we just wait a 15600k may have 16 - 18 cores for just 389.99 flat or even a 9900x3d with 12 cores that is 60% faster than a 3900x man
They will be milking people hard until Intel release something competitive.
Can get 16 cores for 550
They should as Ryzen hasn't made money for AMD since Q2/2022. In last quarter operating margin of Ryzen segment was pitiful 6%. It's fortunate AMD is not anymore relying on consumer CPU sales and other segments provides the income to R&D new stuff.
@@kognak6640if Intel does this thing u would be calling them out but when AMD does it u will let them do it because it's justified , hypocrisy . I am an AMD guy but calling companies out when they don't price shit right won't make them lose money
@@sungodnika9059 How about not making strawman arguments. I'm simply realist stating how things are. Btw Intel is really struggling right now, maybe you should change your champion?
No reason to milk when people will gladly get the superior product
Intel did this to themselves and set the “flagship” price strategy and and barely gets to that price still with TSMC charging more from their foundries and intel controls all their foundries so why have they kept their pricing over $500 for each high tier xx600k parts?
AMD at least sees that community perception is important while intel doesn’t
AMD could easily crank up the prize of the 9800X3d to 600$. Enthusiasts were always ready to pay more fore the best gaming CPU. Right now you really get the best gaming CPU relatively cheap!
I hope they don't.
That's too much, 9800x3D should be around $450 at launch, probably drop to $399 over time. If they want to capture the mass market, they should have a 9700x3D at $299 at launch and there is probably nothing Intel can do to fight that.
It'd have to be an immensely big jump in performance for it to be worth it. 7800x3d wasn't worth it if you already had a 5800x3d. It all depends on how it's going to scale.
Unless it's 16 cores on one ccx, they won't sell anywhere near as much as 5800x3d and 7800x3d
@@skorpers Everybody who pays 2k for a 4090 will easily pay 600+ for the best gaming CPU because they don‘t buy the best GPU to then cripple it by cheaping out on the CPU!
I moved a single am5 cpu in a large retail warehouse over a 12 hour shift. And it was the 8500G
What's the context? I don't get it
@@michalsvihla1403 I think they are confused between AM5, Zen4 and Zen5
@@michalsvihla1403 its performance is good but it doesn't sell well as a gen
@@michalsvihla1403no one is buying AM5?
@@michalsvihla1403 I guess the point is they aren't selling well. But its not really true since amd is up quite a bit in client revenue this quarter
Just swapped sold off 4 AM4 cpu/boards/ram (5600G,5600,5600,5600x) for AM5. With a $340 and $260 new 7800x3D, $200 7600X new and $120 7600X used and x670 boards for $120 with 1 free one I decided to upgrade even though Zen5 was on the way. The issues have been resolved, DDR5 premo ram prices have dropped by over half and all the BIOS fixes were ready. It is the best time to buy for value and convenance.
Here's the difference between AMD and Intel:
When Intel had the superior product with much better power efficiency, their CPUs were literally DOUBLE the price of AMD's. AMD accepted that Intel's offering were better and made sure to price their products accordingly. In 2012, I chose an FX-8350, not because it was better than the i7-3770K, in fact, the i7 was FAR better a product than the FX-8350.
The difference was that the i7-3770K would've cost me over $400CAD while the FX-8350 only cost me $170CAD. It was LESS than HALF the price and still did great at gaming. As it would turn out, the FX-8350 aged like a diesel truck and while it was never super fast, because software got more threaded as time went on, it never really slowed down either as newer software could better take advantage of the 8 ALUs. This was the ultimate example of "AMD Fine-Wine". Also, the i7-3770K was vastly more power-efficient than the FX-8350 with a TDP of 77W while the FX had a TDP of 125W.
These days, AMD is the CPU market leader with CPUs like the R7-7800X3D using ONE THIRD of the measured power that is used by their Intel rivals. Coupled with their superior platforms and it's clear that AMD has the vastly superior product. You know what the difference is though? You're not going to find an Intel CPU for less than half the price of a comparable AMD CPU. Therefore, it's clear that Intel and AMD have very different corporate pholosophies. AMD cares more about sustainability while Intel plays more of a "Grab it and run" methodology when it comes to product sales.
The difference between the FX-8350 and the i7-3770K wasn't even that huge. In Skyrim, the i7-3770K could produce 237FPS while the FX-8350 produced 210. Sure, that's a 12% advantage for the i7-3770K but it cost more than double the price of the FX-8350 and the FX was still putting out 210FPS! In Diablo 3, he i7 put out 226FPS while the FX put out 216FPS. The worst that the FX did in AnandTech's review was in Starcraft 2 at 47.8FPS but who cares about FPS in Starcraft 2? The next lowest FPS rate was 71FPS in Dawn of War II so, as I said even back then, EVERY GAME WAS PLAYABLE.
Now, AMD has a similar advantage in gaming against Intel but you're not going to see Intel CPUs for 2.5x less than AMD CPUs that still give great gaming performance, the same number of threads and superior multitasking performance. Intel still delusionally sees itself as AMD's equal because for 30 straight years, Intel was the dominant x86 player and Intel doesn't have any idea how to act when its in second-place. AMD's superiority is only half of the reason that it went from the brink of insolvency to being the market leader in only five short years.
The other half of the reason is that Intel refused to accept that with the release of Ryzen, AMD was catching up to them (AND FAST!). Intel's CPUs were STILL an inferior value against Zen2 even though the only advantage that Core CPUs had at that point were single-threaded IPC and in most (but not all) games.
Then, when AMD released Zen3 and finally had Intel beat in both single-core IPC and gaming performance (even garnering congratulations from nVidia about it.... yeah, weird), Intel still priced its CPUs like they were the premium product. This was laughable as the Zen3 (Ryzen 5000) architecture had, for the first time ever, shown that between AMD and Intel, one architecture had the other architecture beat in EVERY SINGLE METRIC. That had never happened before as even the FX processors out-performed the Core architecture in heavily-threaded workloads.
AMD had Intel beat in single-core IPC, multi-core IPC, gaming, productvity, power efficiency and were STILL a better value despite being superior in every single way. AMD once made the mistake of being arrogant with their pricing (I'm looking at YOU Athlon64!) and Intel made them pay the price. Sure, they used illegal tactics but they could afford to do so in this capitalistic and corrupt world.
AMD never wants to go back to where they were and they know that even though they are the market leader, Chipzilla is still many times larger than they are. AMD knows that they must maintain their market leadership because if they lose it, they might never get it back. Intel on the other hand, doesn't care as much because they have their fingers in so many other things that they're not 100% dependent on their CPUs (or GPUs for that matter).
Therefore, I have no doubt that Zen5 CPUs will be a much better value than Zen4 CPUs because AMD has to do something to offset the cost of AM5 motherboards and DDR5 RAM if they want to continue being the market leader. They already screwed up by releasing Ryzen 9 X3D CPUs instead of Ryzen 5 X3D CPUs and even if they won't admit it, they're painfully aware that it's true. I don't think that they'll make the same mistake again and I would be very surprised if we see any Zen5 Ryzen 9 X3D CPUs, even if we don't see any Zen5 Ryzen 5 X3D CPUs.
Zen5 will be a much better value than Zen4 simply because it NEEDS to be. The slow uptake of AM5 showed a chink in AMD's armour and they dare not do that again.
Finally someone that recognizes the FX-8350 for what it was. Not the best, but a great price to performance bargain. I get so tired of people trying to compare these CPU's without considering the CPU, and motherboard price (which were cheaper than comparable Intel socket MB's as well.) So much cheaper to get an AMD system that came close to the same performance!
The Ryzen 5600 was a lot better value than the 7600x even that came out. Same thing this time?
im Neutral I like both companies both Intel and Ryzen but cant decide what to go 4 next . TEAM RED / TEAM BLUE
The am5 motherboards were expensive
They both launched at $299 MSRP. #debunked.
Platform costs. 5600x was overall, way cheaper.
Yes, they have to compete against arrow lake.
Argument: Back then, Ryzen had to have really low prices for what you got because they kept losing the performance battle.
Funny how they learned this lesson when it came to competing with Intel for CPUs, but not when competing with nVidia for GPUs. They should have drastically cut the prices of those RX7000 cards, but chose not to.
Also for 100€ i could buy a really good full sized ATX motherboard.
I'd say AMD will end up having price their Zen 4 better simply because AM4 is such a good value that I know a bunch of people still building AM4 in 2024. When you add in the cost of boards and RAM a 5600 or 5700x isn't going to bottleneck at 1440p any of the popular mainstream GPUs and if you want to build a budget baller a 4500 or 5500 paired with an RX 6600 is still the combo I see recommended the most.
You want new parts at used prices? Are these people for real?
This is the reason why the word low ball exists so what happens after that? MSRP increases to compensate depreciation and anchored perceived price
No.
It better. While laptop manufacturers are kinda blowing it for both Intel and AMD, Intel has basically caught up / surpassed AMD on laptop performance per watt (I believe). Or at least on basic performance. Never mind how AMD has bungled their graphics cards by charging too much for them, allowing Nvidia to retain / extend their market share. It all really bums me out, I would love Team Red to come out swinging.
No Intel still has not managed to catch up with amd in performance/watt and performance in general. They are getting better tho.
sure, newer is betterer, only intel with cpus and nvidia with gpus are going backwards and offering less value for money..
Ref
Well their overall marketshare dropped tho.
Inflation!
Zen5 will have 25-40% better perf and same as 7000 launch prices - 299/399/549/699. So similar price/perf. But after Arrow lake (2-3 months) near BF prices will go down to 229/299/449/599+x3d for 449/549/699. Good(better than now) price/perf deals will be at BF - perfect to us(customers)
I'm an AMD fanboy and even I know 25-40% perf increase is BS... Keep dreaming!
(I'd expect something closer to 15%)
@@kettusnuhveli341 perf boost is 40% on dual CCD chips. so Now you have ryzen 7700x and 7950x one is single 8 core ccd and other one is 2 x 8 core ccd. They loose 15% performance when chip has 2 ccd due to Infinity cache bottleneck. so 40% improbment changing perf frop to 9%.
So 4 way threadripper of 4 ccd with 8 core each will loose 4x 15% performance while zen 5 will only loose 4 x 9%.
Threadripper 7995WH is 8 way. for 96 core total. Performance loss is 8 x 15% equivalent to disabling 14 cores compared to state if ther was no infinity cache and chip was monolithic.
This is main improvment. Anybody telling you that zen 5 is 69ghz and 420cores is shill. Zen5=zen2 with higher clock on core and Infinity cache.8 core ryzen are now 450 usd they were 200 usd when zen 2 was leaving shelves. AMD is bad company, Intel is even worse. So I build on AMD this 6 year cycle of AM4
The answer is no… stronger ipc means money money money lol
"Ryzen roots of price/perf." Bro the fucking 1800x launched at $499. Only reason it was considered cheap is because Intel charged over $1000 for a worse performing chip, which the $300 Ryzen 7 1700 also beat. We're already getting better price to performance. Just compare the 1700x to the 7700x
*tips fedora*
My Ryzen 2600 was sub 150€ when i bought it and came with Division 2. That had really good P/P ratio.
AMD has shown their true colors when Ryzen 5000 came out. In 2021, I was using a hand me down i7-3820 on a X79 motherboard and has been experiencing almost daily BSOD, I narrow down the problem to either the SSD or the DDR3 RAM. Bought a new Crucial MX500 SSD but somehow the motherboard doesn't like it and was unable to boot up since this system was already almost 7 years old i decided to upgrade it. Went to the shop and checked the pricelist and was about to commit on to B550 & 5600x combo then i caught at the corner of my eye the combo of B460 & i7-10700 being priced the same. So i went with the i7-10700 and is still using it now.
lol you bought b550 on release
You downgraded?
The Soviet collapse peace dividend, which flooded the market with cheap raw materials and fossil fuels, and the heady days of very low-cost Chinese manufacturing at massive scale is coming to an end. AMD, Intel, and integrator manufacturers are in the process of near shoring fabrication, manufacturing, and assembly. (both in Europe and North America) Deflation in technology was a 30-year anomaly due to the Soviet Union collapsing and China rising. Russia's resources are exhausted and China's one child policy has successed only in ending their rise as a global and manufacturing superpower . We are now in for an inflationary correction over the next 10 years to make up for the last 30.
AMD can produce weaker cpus but higher price, to maximize profit.
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No.