Why you should upgrade your CPU before your GPU in 2023
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- čas přidán 17. 11. 2023
- Steve and Tim discuss why the CPU market is so much more competitive than the GPU market in the latter half of 2023...
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Why you should upgrade your CPU before your GPU in 2023
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This kind of video makes me angry... Everybody SAYS they want competition... then they just buy Nvidia cards anyway. AMD's Radeon division doesn't exist simply to make Nvidia cards more affordable for gamers. If gamers want a more price competitive Nvidia, they need to stop rewarding Nvidia for treating them like 3rd class citizens behind AI companies and Crypto miners.
I agree on a personal level, but like what Steve (from gamers Nexus) said, and I'm paraphrasing
Consumers don't have to become beta testers for a 100B USD company.
This was in reference to Intel's ARC cards.
Similarly, while I think RTX is still too niche and expensive, and frame gen too clunky, and DLSS less useful than FSR due to compatibility with weaker cards.
Nvidia simply offers more features, they have the ability to charge more.
AMD also offers some features, but people seem to care less i guess, more VRAM, better default driver software, less anticonsumer stuff like cut down pcie lanes, type c output on GPUs, etc.
Rx 6400 is kind of an exception I guess.
If e.g. 40% of enthusiasts bought AMD, which might actually be the case, it wouldn't put a dent in total market share. Enthusiasts who care about PC hardware are a tiny portion of an already small number of PC consumers who know anything about the hardware they're using.
Consumers absolutely do not care, they will get a PC that is *marketed* to perform to their standards, and then sell it 4 years later when the C drive is full and the PC is "slow". The only thing they might care about is that there's a green label with "Nvidia" on it, because that's the only thing about which they have a vague understanding - it lets you play games with nice graphics.
I think for me anyways, when you look at every article and see the army of sales people for AMD, the same cookie cutter price 2 performance ratios for raster pitch, the calling people stupid for buying Nvidia, the 10 to 1 ratio of AMD fanboys vs anyone else, the slamming of Nvidia features like frame gen, which was all year long for "fake frames" and "only raster matters", just to see FSR3 come out in 2 games and get nothing but praise from the same people... yeah I'm good on the non stop everyday displays of AMD fanboyism and the salesman. I mean my gosh they are everywhere, on every video.. people trying to sell you AMD products. I absolutely can't recall someone trying to talk me into buying Nvidia or Intel, but AMD? every day, every day, and every day with insults, name calling, and misrepresentation of the feature sets of the competitors. No thanks, but enjoy yours if you have it!
I think it's AMDs fault in general. They aren't radically opposing Nvidia with value on the raster front.
They are often copying the products with a worse version of same feature sets and just a 10-15 % price cut most of the times, from prices that are basically set by Nvidia.
If they would attack them with a really relevant difference in price, like over 20% cheaper and more, they could hit the mass market way more, but they seem to have to much "principles" in terms of how much a margin has to be for each card.
If they ignores every feature but encoders and fsr and follow the idea I stated I think the market would have to follow them, for once.
You can see that with the x3d products and their gaming performance and power efficiency.
Intel could really be toast in the future if they don't adapt to AMD now.
yes we want competition to ease the pricing a little bit. but unfortunately in my case amd just cant compete with what i want from my graphics, I really love the tech of path tracing and ray tracing, and nvidia can not be matched in that department. if amd's fsr and ray tracing tech could match or come close to nvidia's id go team red as they deffo offer more value.
Also you need to remember that you can lower graphics but not CPU load so overbuying CPU is more justifiable than GPU
Overall definitely, but not so much with some modern games where your lower graphics option is... upscaling ._.
I just built a 7 7800X3D bare bones and it out performs my previous PC with a GTX 660. Doesn't need four sticks of RAM so that counts as a $100 bonus. The $350 CPU is really a $250 CPU. Plays Borderlands 1440 full max no problem. Here's an idea: Video of integrated graphics tests on games. Funny I don't see any. Wonder why? Yes I'll add a GPU eventually but with patience and restraint. No doubt it's a sucker market.
Yes you can lower CPU load function.
@@montreauxs enight me then
Lower graphics to the point of 540p... damn
A few months ago i when from a 4.2ghz 1600x to a 5800x3d on the same platform. Pretty nice upgrade, even tho at that frequency it still ran everything well, it was deffo getting too slow for me.
When Steve leans forward a little bit, this camera makes Tim look like a tiny person next to a giant Steve.
I kinda made this mistake with a 7800XT. I love it for sure, but I didn't think it performed as I would have like with paired with a 5600X specifically for CPU bound titles like COD Warzone (which I mostly play). Modern Warfare II/III multiplayer is fine as I can reach FPS to target my 240hz monitor, but come Ground War or MW Zombies, my FPS gets shit on hard in alot of open areas.
GPU bound titles are completely okay though and I can finally max out settings on alot of my games and still be above 120FPS, making for a smoother experience coming from a 5700XT. I wish the 5600X3D came outside US, as I didn't feel "upgrading" to a 5700X or 5800X isn't worth it (they scale poorly, unless you need the extra cores). Hopefully the other rumored upcoming AM4 X3D chips will be a global release as well.
Will do as soon as the cost of a 5800X3d drops, until then I’ll hang tight with the 5600x.
keep waiting that wont happen
@@sarpp69 well then fine, I’ll buy something on AM5 or 6 in a few years time 🤷🏻♂️ thanks for your valuable clairvoyance 🤦🏻
just buy a 7700x then? It may not have the 3D cache, but it out preforms and AM5 is solid so far.
@@born2serve92 because it doesn’t fit in my existing motherboard maybe?
We’ll have to see if there’s validity to these rumors of 5500X3D and 5700X3D chips and what price they end up at
Always remember, your monitor is the most important part of your PC, so don’t cheap out
not really, if you have a 4k 144hz monitor but your gpu cant even render minecraft at 720p above 30fps , the monitor is worthless, at least on a "gaming pc"
@@ArthurM1863not necessarily. Depends on the game and hardware
I used to think this was nonsense until I got a Switch OLED, and then I found myself increasingly playing games on that even if they were more performant on other platforms. So I got a nice OLED TV, starting playing Xbox a lot too. Now I'm all aboard the display train and will compromise the rest of my PC spec if needed. A higher quality screen just makes everything nicer
I upgraded from a 8700k to a 7800X3D and my fps in games like cyberpunk at 1440p nearly doubled. CPUs matter a ton right now esp if you are a few gens behind.
With what GPU? :o
Ya what gpu and settings? Call bullshit unless the system was running ancient hardware
You can get a RX6600 for 189€, tax&shipping included (at least in Spain). That's an AMAZING gpu for 1080p gaming, let alone for less than 200€. You can also get an AMAZING cpu+mobo combo, either with intel or AM4, for 1080p gaming. Even better with Black-Friday and Christmass deals around the corner of this video.
We as consumers can't expect Gold when buying Copper and then act disappointed. At the same time, VOTE WITH YOUR WALLET! Companies are not NGOs, they're in for a profit and won't hesitate to nickel&dime and scam you.
Unfortunatley one exception that is this great in value. Just look at the price per frame graphs of HUB and you wont see anything but maybe the 6700xt come close in midrange or higher tier to that.
It´s true that they will try to betray you where they can but it´s another thing if you can go to a different brand to punish them. That´s why not even people who just love capitalist dynamics, that are kind of knowledgable and at least a bit consumer oriented, accept monopolies.
Your points about consumers are mostly purely ideologically caught up and not a critical way of thinking. Just imagine a bit more, that companies are run by people and if you would know a person who tries to screw you over at any given moment and you are even dependent on them, how would you think about that person?
Sentences like "people are just never happy with what´s offered" only reinforce the power of the abusers and are simply lies, so if you want to discard any solidarity within people than by that logic better not expect any help from anyone and I dare you not to feel morally upset, if you are not given any solidarity when you need a hand.
I bought the rx 7900 xt because I don't think the rtx 4070 has enough vram and at the time they were similarly priced.
I didn't think 12 gb would become worn this quickly, but games are maxing that out even at 1080p... Forspoken alone takes 13gb to run at a good framerate max settings
It gives the impression a lot of devs have been feeling strapped for a bit too long trying to stay under 8GB and now that they finally feel that ceiling’s been removed they’re just blowing completely past
You did a right choice. I have 6900 XT, playing Diablo IV with 4K pack downloaded. It grabs around 14 to 15 GBs of VRAM like nothing...
I think it's time to upgrade from my 9600k. It's still ok processor but it struggles with streaming, and it has hiccups a bit too oftem while gaming
id like to upgrade to XFX - SPEEDSTER SWFT210 AMD Radeon RX 6600 Core 8GB GDDR6 PCI Express 4.0 Gaming Graphics Card will it work with my cpu AMD Ryzen 5 1600 Six-Core Processor 3.20 GHz?? thx
imagine if AMD were aggressive on gpu pricing like they are for cpu
Imagine if you knew what you're talking about.
AMD could sell the cards at cost, it wouldn't change a thing since NVIDIA cultists will just buy NVIDIA anyway.
@@OneAngrehCatYeah what I have noticed is that people want AMD to put their cards cheaper so Nvidia also puts their cards cheaper and they can buy Nvidia cards, not AMD cards.
If I upgrade my 2600X right now, I wouldnt notice a huge fps uplift with my RX 580. Might as well upgrade both together, more value imo.
True, hold tell 2024 releases for 2nd gen Zen4, Intel 15th Gen, RTX 5000, RX 8000. To see if the PCIe 5.0 NVMe drives, PSU ATX 3.0, DDR5 ram, RTX & RDNA 4 GPUs have improved in stability, efficiency. Maybe price cuts of older NVMe Gen 4 drives, slower 6000-7200 Mhz DDR5 in 2024 by then to improve sale figures and adoption
nVidia is seriously working on their CPUs and intel has already released their GPUs, also Snapdragon is working on desktop CPUs and probably GPUs, as well. Seems like there will be competition on all fronts in the near future.
Really glad I got the 3700X three years ago instead of the 3600X. The two extra cores really helps with quite a few of my games (more than you'd expect). It's extended the life of my machine a bit.
Replacing CPU is always a pain, especially if you also have to replace the MB. Replacing a GPU is a so much easier fix. So in terms of spending money, I would much prefer to buy a lot more CPU up front (like a 3700X instead of a 3600X, or a 13700k instead of a 13400. Then if you find yourself in a situation in three or four years where your GPU is starting to fall behind but your CPU is fine, you can just upgrade your GPU instead of your CPU, or heaven forbid, both.
Buying more CPU also opens the potential door of upgrading your resolution down the road. Or multiscreen.
The used market always settles after about 1.5 years, at least in this state where new GPUs are in regular demand. That's why you can score an RX 5700 or 3060 12GB for about $200. People see that they perform similarly and they charge roughly the same (Nvidia is slightly more expensive because of features, though)
Got an RX 6600 as a Gift and installed it in my 4th gen i5 4460 computer and OMG new games are impossible to play with the stutters , even older games need an FPS cap to run fine , the RX 6600 is amazing especially with its low power consumption and is nice performance bump from my 750 Ti that blew up a few months ago but the CPU is utter trash now. Thought about buying the i7 4790 as a drop in upgrade but held off since it might not be much better. Currently saving up some money to upgrade to an R5 3600/5500 or might go Used and get a i5 10400.
What happened to 9600k vs 3600 post from 17/11/23?
Intel paid them to take it down.
@@basshead. that should not be true, but if hardware unboxed made no accouncement, and if i didnt trust them(i do), it could have been a possibility
I suppose something with graphs or editing.
Its up now
yea@@wilbertreyes7427
what about in 2026 what do you think the market will look like then. I want to wait 3 years to buy a cheap 1080p card like the Rx 7600
too far into the future to know for sure. Cards like the 7600 will definitely be extremely cheap 3 years from now.
having 3 GPU makers over next few years well help lower GPU costs and development of better CPU/GPU all in one chip game changer
Because I have a i5-3450 CPU @ 3.10GHz with a MSI 1070.
I saw this title and was like my 12900k isnt even old yet what are yall talking about lmao
Depends on the resolution i play on lol... up the GPU first if you are on 4K...
Intel got caught sleeping, while Nvidia always try to find new ways to squeeze you dry me think
because a mining rig dont need a dozen cpus?
I have 9900k and 4090.
Reason is my upgrade path. Now my next upgrade is CPU but i am waiting to see what AMD is going to release.
I had a 9900kf and just ugpraded to a 5800x3d last month. With the -30 CO and adjusted power settings (100/70/100) it is stable and gave me that uplift in 1% and .1% lows and general performance that my games needed. I got both the new MBO and CPU on sale and spent around $500. I was also able to sell my old 9900kf and mbo for $300. I feel like the $200 upgrade would be a bargain at twice the price.
@@ccnomz that would be a great deal for me. Looking at 7800 X3D
@crimson0411 Simple i uograde my PC with the best part available. I started with 4790k and gtx 780 then i upgraded my GPU(4 years later) to rtx 2080 then after 1 more year CPU to 9900k. A year ago i bought 4090 and now i am thinking of upgrading CPU since i am around time i can pay for an upgrade.
I also went from an i9-9900k to a r7-7800x3d and it is a difference like night and day - especially when gaming at lower resolutions like 2560x1440 or 3440x1440 as I do.
Here in Germany the prices for a decent CPU+Mobo+RAM Combo is like 700€ so I would say you should absolutely go for it!
I've just bought a 6800xt off Amazon warehouse for €490 and now you tell me i should have bought a cpu 😢😢😢
😂
If the Radeon division priced as aggressively as the Ryzen division, they would've easily wrested market share from Nvidia. However, the Radeon division is too focused on margins rather than market share. Take, for instance, the RX 7700 XT and the RX 7900 XT. Imagine if they'd priced the 7700 XT at $330 MSRP and the 7900 XT at $650 MSRP(at launch). Instead what they seem to do is look at Nvidia pricing and say, 'Hey! We can do that too!'
Well Radeon tried to win over NVIDIA with tighter margins and market share and... well it ended up killing Radeon and dropping them from 60% of market share to the low levels that is trying to climb out now.
RX 6600XT is better than the 3050 for less, yet no one bought them.
They’ve priced really aggressively at times, for example coming out of the pandemic. At times you’d get up to twice the rasterization performance per dollar with AMD vs Nvidia. 6700XTs at the same prices as 3050s. 6900XTs for half the cost of 3090s. At those kinds of price disparities you’d be getting better ray tracing performance per dollar outright on the AMD cards.
Whether you want to attribute it to Nvidia fanboyism or mindshare doesn’t matter. If PC gamers across the board had brains no one would have bought Nvidia cards during that time. Instead, everyone still only bought Nvidia.
AMD only gets buyers who are smart enough to follow what the data tells them, those buyers will buy the better value whether it’s by a lot or a little. So AMD spends a lot of time lately just giving barely better pricing. The math checks out.
@@kenshirogenjuro873 exacly. NVIDIA sold more 3060 than Radeon sold cards. Like all cards. In all of their history. It's just too diffrent scale.
I went and upgraded both. Got a 5800X3D and a 7900 XT. Also buffed the system memory with an extra 16GB.
Not just that, I think if Intel didn't have the competition, we'd not see 16 or even 8 core CPUs for regular desktops. Those would be limited to workstations.
I think the next gen GPUs might be even more of a disappointment, since AMD has just completely given up on high end (no 8900)
Without AMD we’d all still be on quad cores
Because AMD often uses older MB's you miss some new things. INTEL is not really any slower that you could point your finger to it. INTEL usually have the new and optimized.
To me this discussion falls into sales and how INTEL has planned to go forward. The link to me is on the wall. Pair your GPU to CPU and have APO to give you the extra 10-50%. That's why I see 14th gen having the APO and even that it could the 12th and 13th gens don't. You are forced to buy a new CPU with your new GPU. Nvidia's +$2000 US don't help much if you are able to get the same high end result for $1500 for example that includes a new CPU (with APO) and GPU. Not to talk about MB's if yours won't support APO and you can't get a BIOS update for it. But new builds would be cheaper and INTEL wins.
It's the greed that gutted it. 💰
7900xt beats the 4070ti and the 3090ti...the pirce is very good right now...and the 7900xtx also beats the 4080 and trade blows with the 4090 in some titles.....so for me amd wins overal
its not worth it to get the top end cpus.....best cpus to buy are the 13600k....14600k......7700x 7800x3d ...this cpus are the best for value and price...they will last you 5 years
I just built a 7 7800X3D bare bones and it out performs my previous PC with a GTX 660. Doesn't need four sticks of RAM so that counts as a $100 bonus. The $350 CPU is really a $250 CPU. Plays Borderlands 1440 full max no problem. Here's an idea: Video of integrated graphics tests on games. Funny I don't see any. Wonder why?
Borderlands the first game? Well it should run okay, it's really old.
@@nimrodery Borderlands 2 looks very good also. Haven't had time to check many.
@@tomjones4318 yeah pretty good for an 11 year old game
@@nimrodery See anybody showing what's possible with integrated graphics? Anybody? I've just scratched the surface. Anybody? Part of the problem or part of the solution.
@@tomjones4318 there's your opening, an unserved market is an opportunity, not a problem
There are several things going on with the graphics card market that are bad for gamers: 1) AMD can't compete at the high end. 2) Nvidia knows its fanboys will buy whatever they're offered, even if those offerings are poor value. 3) There's too great a focus on gaming software trickery over hardware performance. 4) The AI market is far more profitable than the gaming market. None of this is going to change, and we're never again going to get better price-to-performance with ensuing GPU generations. Remember, AMD, Nvidia, and Intel do not care about gamers; they care about shareholders.
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they spend billions on R&D and traditional raster methods are already very refined. So they are using AI and other methods to add frames and quality... why is that bad? Just because it's not cheap? People used to hate steam, AMD and so many other pointless things that got refined over the years. For all you know this is the future and not in a negative way. Tech gets cheaper when it's no longer cutting edge.
@@born2serve92 To me it's like making a stop watch run slow so the athlete appears to be posting a better time. I do think this is the long-term trend, but I don't think it's good. There's no chance upscaling and frame generation will ever look as good as native resolution, just like lossy compressed audio never sounds as good as uncompressed audio. We should not be happy that fake frames and fake resolution are the future of video gaming. If I sound purist, I guess I am.
This entire generation of graphics cards is trash.
PC gaming is dead.
Buy a console.
Here, I won't bother you with whine. I'll cut through all your BS. *Design, manufacturing, materials, R&D, labor, marketing, packaging(including cubic feet), ... get it?* Sure you do you just play the same exact game all YT talkers do. There is absolutely zero valid reason why a GPU costs more than an entire computer. More than a used car. YT influencers and a sucker market there's where you can start looking.