What a MESS - Ryzen 7000 Laptops Aren't What You Think
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- čas přidán 8. 05. 2024
- The AMD Ryzen 7000 series is coming to gaming laptops and thin and light laptops in 2023...but not in the way you might think. Let's talk about the actual release dates, how these laptop CPUs can be anything from Zen 2 to Zen 4 and performance. 2023 probably won't be a good year for AMD laptop availability either.
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0:00 - Ryzen 7000 Laptops Intro
0:30 - Sponsor Spot
1:01 - Availability Issues
1:46 - Zen 2 in a 2023 Laptop!?
3:30 - Ryzen 7000 Lineup Explained (Good Luck!)
4:08 - Ryzen 7940HS, 7840HS, 7640HS
5:35 - Intel Destroyers - 7945HX, 7845HX, 7745HX, 7645HX
7:48 - Amazing No Longer - Ryzen 7000U
8:54 - RX 7600 & 7700 Mobile GPUs
10:03 - A Golden Opportunity for Intel
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I am really curious about the performance of these 12 CU of the 7040 series iGPU. I hope we might see some great improvements there.
just above gtx1060 performance expected with a faster RAM.
@@vmafarah9473 More than enough for some light 1080p gaming or Indie-titles.
@@ChrisM243 680m igpu with faster ram when raytracing set to high in spiderman is faster than laptop 3050. I dont know why?
I read there will be 7500mhz lpddr5x ram availble for the 7940hs variant with 12 cu at 3000mhz so that seems really good for the igpu performance
@@ChrisM243 Vega igpu in R7 5700u already can do that.
You should also mention Nvidia's scam. They pretty much fully brought back M GPUs to laptops without bringing back the laptop name. Now, if I want a **70 class GPU laptop I need to buy a 4080m one, and it's ONLY installed in premium models, whereas you could get a 3070m(less cores but still based on desktop 3070) in budget laptops like Asus TUF, Nitro 5, HP Omen and Legion 5\5 pro. I hate Nvidia, and honestly so should everybody.
amds worse they provide terrible value cpus and gpus
Agree nvidias terrible overpriced
@@zzzzsssz blanket statements are never a good idea. rdna2 GPUs, especially in the lower to mid-range, are a much better value, and in my opinion the best values for just gaming overall. rdna3 is definitely in a bit of a rough patch.
as for Ryzen: the original zen 4 CPUs are a tough sell to be sure. Platform costs are real. Considering the new models that are coming out nowadays, though, that could very well change. the non-x models are already a better value.
nowadays am4 is a pretty good value too with the likes of the 5600 or 5800X3D
@@maximus3294 im sorry i didnt know the bang for buck market was a mess
You got anything new for the last 10 years of pc development?
Thing is, nvidia in all their shittyness still provides better reliability for those who use their cards, especially in the editing field, they have(or at least had) much better drivers than AMD and definitely intel, so people like me, who are casual gamers but also does editing works, nvidia is usually the inevitable choice, for the simple 'even if it is overpriced it will still work' logic
I'm not up to date with tech news though so I'm not sure if AMD drivers are still as bad as 3 years ago when I built my pc, but I hope that both AMD and intel gets their drivers sorted out, Nvidia does deserve an awakening after all
I'm excited about the 7040 chip. Hoping to get a laptop with that this year if it's available with the right spec.
I more excited with 7740u
Just hold on for the second half of this year for Intel's Meteor Lake chips. Intel Altera is the industry leader in FPGA tech far outperforming anything from Xilinx. Moreover, 14th gen is supposed to be a another significant architectural overhaul.
@@arx117 There is no AMD 7740U APU.
I’m fine with the naming scheme, for example you don’t know the R7 5700U is zen2 despite being branded as 5000 series. However, I know computers well, and for someone who doesn’t this looks like a death trap
Agreed but it's still a mess..
I think people need to put the last few years into perspective. The pandemic caused an enormous explosion in client computing needs, desktops, laptops, PC gaming industry practically tripled in less than a year, combining that with manufacturing and availability issues, and you had a recipe for serious trouble. At the same time, AMD managed to finally surpass Intel in many areas of performance and efficiency, partly due to Intel's incompetence, but more impactful was TSMC's continued process node improvements coupled with AMD betting on chiplet technology. The chiplet CPU architecture is both the reason why AMD was able to destroy Intel on price while still remaining very profitable, yet also be their Achilles heel. AMD's decision to basically focus on a single 8-core core complex chip per Zen evolution across their entire consumer and datacenter product line (excluding zen4c), when you combine that with the fact that TSMC can only make so many of these chiplets, the fact that their Epyc datacenter chips carry much higher profit margins for those same components, and finally the fact that AMD now has to share TSMC processes node manufacturing capacity with Intel, Nvidia, Apple and others, it was always going to create a bottleneck. With only one source for any Zen 4 CCX's across those product lines, they don't have enough to fill out an entire portfolio stack, at least not without leveraging TSMC's previous process node manufacturing capacity. When TSMC launches a new production process node, it's not like they phase out the previous node, those factories and manufacturing production lines are still fully functional and have honestly just begun to enter their most profitable manufacturing phase, as yields max out, and it's not like there is a shortage of customers looking for 7nm, even 10nm products, new process node wafers are produced on entirely new and standalone production lines.
So, AMD, rather than cannibalizing their high margin 4nm and 5nm datacenter stock just to flesh out mid-range and entry level products, they're using the previous Gen Zen node capacity to get products into those price points.
Trust me, if TSMC could supply more Zen4 CCX's, I'm sure AMD would prefer having more current Gen Zen in their current offerings. TSMC also needs to be cautious, it would be a huge mistake to invest in 10 additional fab factories only to have demand collapse, they'd much prefer always having to turn away half of potential buyers while increasing prices (profits) than end up with excess unused capacity.
So, to summarize, Zen chiplet architecture of nearly every using ryzen and Epyc processor using the same 8-core CCX was genius, as was betting on TSMC, growing their business by 10X in 8 years, but now they're competing for limited TSMC production capacity with their primary competition, so they're forced to be creative to fill out their portfolio. It sucks, but nothing we can do, alternative is to just not launch new products in those segments and watch Intel capture all that revenue.
@@racerex340dude if you want to write a book don't do it in the comments nobody is going to read that jfc
@@samgoff5289 I sometimes forget that anything more than 15-20 words intimidates some of you. Next time, I'll keep it super Dr Seuss level, just for you, I'll use small words, lots of pictures and emojis. 💩 🧠 Maybe stay out of the comment section of tech CZcams videos, CZcams kids might be more your speed.
@@samgoff5289 He really wrote a ridiculously long essay 😂
Your reporting is my favorite among the Canucks. Thanks for clearing up some of the mud and helping us understand the laptop market a bit more.
Kind of sad that by the time these become widely available (late summer 2023), we'll start to talk about the Ryzen 8000 series and Strix point APU.
You are wrong - they are still not widely available. 😂
@@mc_simpain
The 8000 series are just a refresh of the 7000 series.
So just save yourself some money and go with 7000 series parts.
this makes it easy for consumers. just find models with 4 in the 3rd number. don't even look at anything else
Yea that is not easy and a stupid way to name things..goodluck trying to search online without being able to sort the list by the third number in the name
Good video. My first time watching you and I was really surprised by your voice. It's an amazing radio voice, which has ASMR qualities to it, and you are so well spoken. I wouldn't be surprised if you do voice over work. Really enjoyed the info about the AMD graphics chips. I didn't know they were rebranding old chips to basically deceive buyers. You would think consumer protection agencies would be on top of these types of shenanigan's.
Your sponsor spot for the Fractal Ridge mentions the case includes a PCIE Gen 4.0 riser cable, but that is no longer the case. They changed the published specifications to say 3.0.
I'm okay with the naming if they don't start changing it again right away.
We already had an issue where people were buying laptops thinking 2000, and 3000 laptops were using the same chips as the desktop 2000 and 3000.
I do hope they put more effort into clarifying which generation is being used tho.
If Zen 3 laptops are priced well due to the increased supply from moving focus away from Milan based Epyc chips along with the maturing 7nm and 6nm, I hope it would lead to a better market.
Would love to have access to Zen 4 laptops, but I'm sure they'll cost an arm and a leg. At the same price, definitely Zen 4, but if it means saving several hundred dollars, Zen 3 seems like the better option. Shame though since Zen 4 seems like a beast in Laptops.
Good that I picked up a zenbook with a 6800U. It is definitely a great buy. I am extremely happy with this .
Don't think I saw any other laptop (in stock or available) with the 6000 series than the Zenbook or Vivobook around here...
It's still a nice piece of HW, have fun using it... I went with the Vivobook (5000 series) with dGPU for Photoediting... It's just a fat Zenbook without the premium design :)
Same bro. Just bought it yesterday and Im happy I did
@@snajperSLO in my country only Asus, HP and Lenovo has AMD chips.
Lenovo is low quality, Asus is overprice but HP is good price.
@@arx117 I went with an ASUS for 830€ (5800H, 16GB, 3050 and 14* OLED) Did not find anythink close for that price…
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I’m really hoping for a RYZEN 7 7840U in the next GPD Win4 handheld gaming pc for Christmas 2023.
If you are wondering how 7600M XT is the same thing as 7700S, you can check 6600M and 6700S.
XD sort of like the x580 and 5500XT its an AMD ting.
I like the fact they add the Zen generation in the name. I also like they change numbers based on the year so you can tell how old the actual laptop is. I assume they improve the older processes and generations. Before I would have had to search the laptop's model number to know when it was launched. This way it's easier to weed out old designs when helping people shop
For unsavvy people despite architecture confusion, it makes more sense, bigger numbers in every column is a better laptop cpu simple, if still a bit confusing based on order. For someone savy or willing to quickly search up it is pretty quick to get. And weird configs probably won't come up anyway
You need a chart to work out the code. Buying something shouldn't involve solving a puzzle.
@@Safetytrousers Buying electronics should always involve research unless you have zero respect for your money.
@@OverruledDood Laptops, especially cheaper ones are much more likely to be bought by naive people than PC components are. My first laptop was bought not knowing what CPU was in it.
New naming scheme is excellent if you know the convention, horrendous at a glance.
Your explanation has really helped me a lot. Thanks.
RDNA 3 APUS:
AMD Ryzen™ 9 7940HS - 8 CPU / 12 GPU
AMD Ryzen™ 7 7840HS - 8 CPU / 12 GPU
AMD Ryzen™ 7 7840U - 8 CPU / 12 GPU
AMD Ryzen™ 5 7640HS - 6 CPU / 8 GPU
AMD Ryzen™ 5 7640U - 6 CPU / 8 GPU
AMD Ryzen™ 5 7540U - 6 CPU / 4 GPU
AMD Ryzen™ 3 7440U - 4 CPU / 4 GPU
All other SKUs are using RDNA 2.
12 CUs (GPU) = Performance slightly better than an AMD RX 570 GPU.
As if mobile parts names from all brands cpu/gpu isn't a mess in general though. Not just namings even but also cores/clocks and TDPs too. So some general research always good to do no matter if you're tech savvy or not. It will also matter how they all stack perf/effi/price wise. So if it's really well and reflects gens good, ok then, on the other hand just get latest gen.
Personally I'd like to see a 3D-cache SKU though. Probably along with higher dGPUs range later.
The 4nm chips ex. 7640HS can do 4K at 240 Hz , thats crazy amount of GPU power.(regular use framerate, not gaming)
Ir would be good if they use the last number for the iGPU instead of useless "feature isolation", ie: 0 for Vgea, 1 for RDNA2 and 2 for RNDA3. I would rather get a Zen2+RDNA3 compared to a Zen4+Vega for an UltraBook or Tablet. Gaming Laptop can go Zen4+Vega cos there will be a dGPU anyway.
3:50 I actually like the naming scheme, you can get a fairly accurate idea of what you are getting if you know what to look for in a single number, and the longer and more detailed the processor model number is the easier you can Google it and find out more specific specs... MOST laptop buyers are business people who just email all day or grade schoolers, they have no idea and don't really care what they buy, but now the option is there to know exactly what you are getting in a single model number string for those who actually truly care. Great job explaining it BTW.👍
This is actually a fair take on it.
It's always been a balance of creating a scheme that is easy read and one that shows as much info as possible. But I do think AMD really dropped the ball on this one because the main problem comes from them having to cram all of these Zen generations onto a single 7000 series.
Zen2 competed with 9th gen Intel. After looking at AMD’s marketing, if Intel tries to rebrand their 9th gen i7 chips as 13970 or something like that there would be riots in the online spheres. Every single CZcams channels will be calling out the shenanigans. But now since it is AMD, most people are fine with it.
Currently have a Lonovo IdeaPad 3 AMD 5000 Series integrated graphics laptop. Interested in what the price will be for 7000 Series integrated graphics laptops coming later this year.
the zephyrus duo 16 looks like a perfect mobile workstation laptop. 16 cores and 2 screens. Holy crap there it is, my next laptop. Nice suggestion.
I agree, I think that will sell well if they don't overprice it.
Dimitrys creativity in ad spots is the only reason why I don't skip over your ads...man..that guy just goes over and above...so ridge!!
That's nice Mode Sonnet you have there, how much was it? 500$? (probably free)
AMD Phoenix and Dragon Range will be the best laptops CPUs this year. But is the fact that will be so hard to find one is a great shame.
You explained it really well... and I'm totally confused.
My Thinkpad t14 with an 7840U will arrive next week. Quite interested testing it hands on
dang, this info is lit. I ddnt realize that numbering scheme has something to do with everything!
The consumer electronics industry is expected to have severely diminished demand in the third and fourth quarter. Lower availability is the only thing that they can do to keep prices close to MSRP and avoid the other issues low demand would entail.
The naming for AMD CPUs I think is actually a little better than before. It's very much not obvious that odd numbered CPUs 5700u vs 5800u were using last gen architecture. The third number being 4 for Zen 4 makes more sense, but perhaps it should have been the second number? I think availability is much more concerning. I definitely want a Phoenix laptop with 1060-1070 like integrated performance, but it seems like it'll be very hard to obtain. I also am somewhat worried about RDNA 3. It's clear they didn't expect the architecture to fall so short in efficiency and performance
I’ll prefer architecture as the first number since I’m not sure what the year has go to do with anything.
They couldn't use the second digit, because then the series would only top out at 7495. To customers well familiar with the "third digit from the end is very important" rule it would not look very appealing next to Intel's 12500 and up.
Zen2 competed with 9th gen Intel. After looking at AMD’s marketing, if Intel tries to rebrand their 9th gen i7 chips as 13970 or something like that there would be riots in the online spheres. Every single CZcams channels will be calling out the shenanigans. But now since it is AMD, most people are fine with it.
Just got a 6800H+680M thin laptop so I am not in the market. But the lower end chips looks powerful enough and efficient enough for students or office workers.
The 7xxx series has a naming code you can understand what is what. Intel is mixing up the numbers to confuse buyers and nvidia scams with watt and not M badge.
AMD Ryzen laptops have only 1 negative imho. Availability! We need way more companies don't make enough.
So, They launched new CPUs in almost the end of 2022 it will ship at the end of 23 so we are getting after 2 years ?
To AMD's credit, while the naming scheme is new and will cause confusion at the start, the information is written out so that if you know what you're looking for you can immediately see what kind of AMD processor is inside. This is assuming the old and rebranded chips have been optimized to work well on modern hardware and AMD isn't increasing the prices simply because it has a 7 at the front of the name (i know, wishful thinking there). There are folks who want a bare bones PC for simple tasks. I figure old processors are better in a purchased laptop than stuck in a warehouse never to see the light of day.
Yeah, if you'd taken a look at the information AMD released this video doesn't tell you anything new.
"This is assuming the old and rebranded chips have been optimized"
Yeah no. It is the old architecture - even Zen2.
You should expect the opposite. They will not be optimized and of course will be more expensive just because it has a 7 in the name
@@ABaumstumpf nope, it is optimized. Here in Indonesia, there were some tech reviews that review the new 7020 series and surprisingly it's a min. 15% faster on Cinebench and Geekbench compared to the 4000 series which also Zen 2.
Not rebranded, but more like the bad bin with new instructions not performing well.
The 7040 looks promising but a bit moot until it’s actually available, which sounds not soon.
Definitely targeting the premium thin and light/ MacBook Air competition market there.
I am learning english now, and you are best for that because while you are explanin your idea, you show what are you talking about. Thanks for explaining.
Thank you for this video. Really slimy tactics from these manufacturer's, can't believe people are being duped into paying top dollar for CPU tech years old.
i dont understand what the issue is with the naming convention... seems straight foward easy to understand.
the name must be improved.
in fact we have to read these numbers in the reverse order...
7945HX = HX5497
higher performance tier for a 16 core zen 4 cpu in 2023.
no problem for me.. and that is in south portugal where i live.. got a lenovo legion 5 ,all amd at radio popular here..went perfect
Thank you for clarifying whay you could. Wondering where the 6800M replacement is...
Is there any new info on Zen4 U-series laptop models? e.g., 7740u, 7840u, etc.
I couldn't find anything on the Internet…
I just got a Huawei Magicbook X 14 that comes with the 7840HS (8 core Zen 4/ RDNA 3) for $700. If you are going to visit China, definitely consider getting one of these.
Is that leather on your keyboard? It looks nice, what is it?
what mic are you using?
This naming scheme feels like a way to shove older designs into new names. Some of these chips should have been named like refreshes of their actual generations. So, a 7x20U chip could probably just be a 4x50 or 5x50 instead, and a 7x35 feels like a 6x50 or 6x70.
Those chip will go to customers hand. It’s basically amd telling u if ur not smart and don’t do enough studies, prepare to get fked😅
I almost bought one until I finally figured out what i was buying was a 5000 zen 3 refresh. I feel very home in desktop chips but trying to figure out the mobile market is very very hard. It's like nobody cares about mobile chips.
Intel's naming scheme is just as bad honestly
I like AMD's new naming system. Each number has a meaning, unlike Nvidia and Intel where it's all arbitrary. As long as I can show a customer a graph to explain the names, then I'm happy.
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Sounds like someone hate the duo so much that willing to praise the others bullshit is better?
You're acting like this is way more complicated than it actually is
++ people complain for the most useless things. At least the naming scheme is straight forward.
I wish they would just make a giant lineup of mini PCs so they don't have to put a display or you could just plug it into your TV and have a PC I think those would sell really good just to use up all the leftover older SKUs
@nicknikes1557, what you noted (and also mentioned by @lubossoltes321) is a big trend that I think we'll see more of soon. How many people just by a laptop because that's what people buy these days, but have no need at all to be portable? The outfits like Minisforum and Beelink do a good job covering the space with a wide variety of CPU options. Add the new M2 Mac Mini to that, and I see the tower PC as becoming something that is so 2010s (within a couple years) except for the most zealous of gamers and people that need a true big workstation for their job.
Which brand is the keyboard on the desk?
Wish I saw this before 3 days ago when I purchased a laptop running a 7735HS. The naming is a stupid way of literally throwing old chips into new computers. I don't delve in the computer realm very often, but last I checked in the 6k and older chipsets the higher the number is better, and always ment the latest generation; no matrixes to tell me what bingo cells means what performance. I am rather pissed I bought a Zen 3+ chip rather than a Zen 4.
At least you don't have to google anymore to know the the architecture, like between Zen 2 and Zen 3
I prefer this naming scheme. Makes sense if you just look at a chart
Looking forward to 7x40 ships. I hope there will be enough laptops for those. Also MiniPCs like Minisforum/Beelink and the like.
Yup, im saving for the 7040s chip on a minipc.
I'm curious, beyond a spike in stock price, what was the point of the announcement? You can't buy any product/laptops with these cpu's. Why did they not work with their hardware partners for a release date timed to their announcement?
It’s all about speed to market or perception of this, the CPU market is very competitive at the moment between Apple, AMD & Intel although AMD seems to be two steps ahead at the moment above the rest IMO
Very good review!
I can already see oems pairing the 7645hx with only 3060, 3050s and 6500xts
I disagree on the CPU naming scheme. The current situation is pretty messy: for example, In the same Ryzen 5000 series there are two very different architectures mixed altogether.
Portfolio model year
Well, starting with 7 and associating with 2023 is not the best, but I appreciate that every year that number will go up to better understand the production year.
4/5
Market segment
I don't understand why occupy 4, 6 and 8 slots when there's no real item there. Just leave it empty for further models! But still, it's easier to understand its segment capability.
4/5
Architecture
Well, there's no room for intermediate architectures, maybe they'll discontinue them, but that's a big plus. It's very hard for a customer understand the difference between a Ryzen 5 5500U and a 5600U. Now it will be easier to spot the most important number of the name.
5/5
Feature isolation
That's useful to understand the performance level of the CPU, relatively on its segment. Instead of going with 5500U then 5600U then 5625U.
5/5
Form factor/TDP
Are they discontinuing the "H"? Well, nevermind. But the "C" is definitely a waste of space, guess "the Big G" enforced that useless scheme.
4/5
So, with this new way it should be easier understand what are they buying.
Watching this on a 7350U, works great. No issues.
can someone explain what he said about inferior chips at 8:15 , i was going to buy a 7730u laptop, is that bad?
if you got all those old cores that you need to shift, WTF else you gonna do? Your graphics made it super easy to understand btw... :D
I'm actually going to find and get a laptop with 7035U which has 8 Zen3+ cores plus 3.3 TFLOPS of GPU power. It's pretty decent.
We all look carefully at number 3 and do not buy the old crap amd will be punished with money.
Where are the production lines for those chips?
Hopefully this will drop the 680M laptops, been waiting for them to drop in price.
I never understood what happened to the RS 6850M XT mobile dGPU that came mid last year. All tests showed that it was awesome, but almost never ended up in a laptop. Only in one ASUS and one Lenovo I think, and those weren't easy to get. The 7000-series doesn't seem to have a follow-up either. I am just more confused.
What are they they thinking? High-end mobile GPUs is where AMD really could take a big market share, ...if they wanted.
This is similar to 5800u and 5700u, I was about to buy the 5700u thinking that it is great that its new new. Then did some research, found out it is like a rename of the 4000 version.
It is not just a rename of the 4000 version. Among the differences is improved battery life for the Lucienne (5700U/5500U/5300U), and better SKUs (for example, 5300U is 4c8t + @1.5Ghz, compared to much weaker 4300U 4c/4t + 5CU@1.4Ghz). Also, there is only a slight performance difference in U-series Zen2 vs Zen3 in single-threaded tasks, and no difference in multithreaded. The whole Zen2 vs Zen3 issue in U-series is hugely overblown, and Lucienne there was a good choice.
It wasn’t a good choice. AMD could have literally put a non-functioning piece of human excrement in the CPU slot, and you’d still have fans defend the decision in CZcams comments. It’s laughable how marketing teams have managed to mold the perfect fanbase so easily.
@@emlyndewar huh? I’m also using m1 pro 14” MBP. Not a fan, I’m just here to say my opinion.
@@emlyndewar dudes you sound like you own userbenchmark that make it like his family got killed by AMDrones as he calls it. Did they got yours too?
Fanboying any company is bad regardless. Your pure hatred seems like you fanboy the other "company". That's the thing that makes you laughable even more.
@@emlyndewar All I can say after reading your comment, is that you know little about tech, as if you did, and wanted to prove me wrong, you would have put up comprehensive benchmarks. Instead, you are fooled by something as unimportant as words 'Zen3 vs Zen2'.
What's with the melodrama at 3:20 he already answered his own question 2 minutes earlier
Please review lenovo loq with ryzen 7 7840hs
I am also waiting for 7840U as capable allrounder and power efficient CPU for laptop. I hope they had their product in mid 2023.
The new Amd number scheme is better when comparing to old scheme for me.
As they have generation indicator, I don't need to remember or find spec in wiki too much.
It would be really cool, but you can't even find 6000U laptops right now. I think the reality is that 7000U is not going to be a thing for a while, maybe even as late as 2024.
It could be worse... like how the 5500U and 5700U were the 4600U and 4800U respectively (Zen 2 v s Zen 3) or how in desktop currently some Intel 13th Gen lineup have 12th Gen parts (AMD also has this with mobile chips in desktop cpus). Confusing naming scheme, although at least it's presented to you and you don't have to dig into the spec sheet (finding architecture or cache count)... just the naming scheme doc lol.
got more confusing watching this. trying to find out whats the latest AMD CPU for thin and light and looks like even the new releases ones are zen3. so the question is whats the best AMD laptops we can buy now !!
just paused the course to take a break and watching this vid my god , my brain hearts
In terms of naming, at least AMD will follow a pattern and they provide the codex for it.
Meanwhile at intel, how tf is an i5 11300H a 4 core and the i5 11260H a much faster 6 core, and they all launch with 4 digit units like 1135G7 for example
yup, and he's go away pretending it's 'fine'😂
The Zen 2 7020 series are NEW 6nm designs, not rebranded older chips. It could be overwhelming, but the name does tell you exactly what a CPU is.
yup, here in indonesia, it shows improvement on performance, efficiency, and battery life compared to the 'same' Zen 2 4000 series.
This has been know for 2 years at this point
If it was going to be changed it would have been
The naming scheme makes it without a doubt the easiest way to know exactly what you are getting
And if your smart enough then in a few years after a few generations of this naming scheme, the smarter people among the tech world will be able to get more performance or identical performance for the same price
Reason being 2 iterations of essentially the same CPU can exist at once with the only difference between manufacturing year and or iGPU generation
And if you dont use the iGPU then you can get a better CPU side chip and use the dGPU
I get that consumers (and audience) is confused when there are too many options. Unlike with Intel where i3/5/7/9 are roughly telling us what to expect from the laptop.
But if we are being honest... it is never enough. Every laptop has to go trough benchmarks and WE need channels like @JarrodsTech or @LinusTechTips. Shittin' on naming scheme adjustments... In the laptop domain it makes less and less sense.
Except they kinda don't call out nvidia's and amd's laptop gpu BS as much? The rx6800m is not based off a rx6800. So thats a BS name right there. Nvidia now not putting high end desktop gpu's in laptops is just BS again.
still rocking my g14 2020. The new dragon range looks super enticing but i will wait for a discount. My g14 still solid.
IT is not confusing, it is very detailed. Intel they sell you the same with new branding and Hi max watt.
At 8:20 , does it mean there will be no ryzen 7/5 7040 U series? Just ryzen 9?
No it will come
it should come, but if you are not careful with the naming, the only way to guarantee you get a zen 4 chip is to get a ryzen 9 7040 series
While the naming and lower tier of ryzen cpus for laptops might be pretty terrible, I'm relatively hopeful for the HX series cpus considering the efficiency amd has shown with the 7000 non-X desktop cpus. I actually think they have potential to take the laptop performance crown from intel because of it. GPUs are another story though.
Be very hopeful about wonderful battery life of monolithic 4N Phoenix die based 7040 series, but not 7045 HX, which uses a chiplet design, with lots of cache, and is a variant of desktop SKUs. For these, just achieving decent 5-6 hour battery life at light tasks would be good outcome. Lets see how it turns out, initial reviews are not very far away.
the naming is deffinetely misleading, but I think its debatably better than calling a zen 2+ chip ryzen 5 5500u when it seems like it would be zen 3 like the 5600u, atleast you can easily tell for the most part what architecture each cpu uses now althought its a bit wierd that there is a 7045 series despite it not being zen 4+ somce that obviously not out yet maybe they shouldve had a different lettering and kept it as 7040 but idk
Sorry, but I don't agree at all.
The naming scheme is fine enough, while keeping a lot of detail in it (and therefore being honest). And there's nothing wrong with using older architectures in there as long as they are clearly demarked (which they are having their own number in the product name). The older architectures are also used for SKUs that most buyers won't care about the architecture for.
And the 7045 series have a gen older iGPU is fine considering they are designed for laptops that will have powerful dGPUs.
3:28 No actually, it's not worse. It completely fixes the sh*t with the mobile 3000 series being Zen+ and desktop 3000 being Zen 2 and mobile 4000 was Zen 2 but mobile 5000 is sometimes somewhere in between Zen 2 and 3 but 6000 is Zen 3+, BUT NOT ALWAYS.
Think a explanation like this should be a yearly thing for chips and cards. Always had Intel/Nvidia setup. Would love going AMD, but their nomenclature 😢
I like the new naming scheme, where the architecture is explicitly in the name. All companies have had different architectures used within the same generation before (except maybe Intel? But they are also kings of long confusing names). If they keep this scheme up, it will be nice knowing the architecture just by the name.
13400/(f) and i3s desktop are going to be based on alder lake and not raptor lake
Intel literally has 2 architectures on 13th Gen chips right now. Some chips are still alder lake and others are raptor lake. They have done it several times.
For me I prefer more easier name to remember
They should rename it like this
7450
7 = year generation
4 = zen generation
3 = Ryzen family
0 = stock speed
U = Ultrabook
@@arx117 that's a better naming scheme tbh
Yeah i dont get why this dude so burnt over this. I dont give a fuck. If i want the best cpu i just google (top 3 gaming cpu benchmarks) then i pick one.
I just got an alienware m18 with a 7945hx.
It was 400 dollars cdn cheaper than the i9 13980hx, and it was on sale for 200 bucks cheaper as well and is better than the intel chip accept the i9 beats it by 13% in single core.
🤷♂️ i wanted the intel at first but couldnt justify the cost.
Not a fanboy. I just like good shit for a good deal. Ill buy amd or intel. Idgaf
People waiting for the Zenbook 13S 2022: guess I wait another year
I actually like the change. You can have a cheat sheet and know exactly what you are getting.
The more bass you guys are putting into your audio, the more I have to reduce it on my computer.
Hello, is the Intel 13700H stronger only in games? 13700H Vs 7940HS
No, 7940hs better
Looks like the AMD cpu versions of Lenovo’s legion line up are out. With Nvidia graphics only so far. Alienware is starting to ship all Amd systems though.
I am thinking of getting Legion Pro 5 with Ryzen7 7745HX and rtx4060.
Still very unsure about getting AMD when comparing to the Pro 5i Intel variant with i7-13700HX/rtx4060 which costs about $140 more at my location.
@@theBartSimpson I just returned mine. Not because it wasn’t a great laptop, just because I didn’t have the time to use it. Lenovo is great. If you buy one, you have thirty days to change your mind and send it back for free, and no restocking fees either. I’d say go with the Pro 5 and if you don’t like it, send it back.
@@ConsciousSonder Thanks for the honest advice brother!
I really appreciate it!
I am a software developer and I require a decent machine for my personal projects and learning and also occasional gaming.
Honestly, I do not require necessarily a quite high end one but a bit future safe machine doesn't hurt considering how inefficient the newer Windows OSs and other tools are.
MSVisual Studio pushes my current i5 11th gen upto 100%CPU utilisation.
A good GPU also allows to play games at higher settings.
Legion checks all:
-good build quality
-future proof configuration
-minimal design tone
The components are top notch with no compromises such as the Qhd screen, great keyboard, Intel WiFi card, faster 16gb ddr5 5200MHz Ram, 1080 webcam, 3 years warranty by default and extended Accidental cover at extra $35.
At the same time, the other brands may provide good specs at lower price but there is always a catch. Either the screen quality is not upto the mark or the rams are slower or the WiFi card isn't the cast Intel one.
So it looks like that the higher price of Legion is somewhere justified.
My only confusion was that whether the AMD R7 7745HX processor be good enough for next 5 years as there are cheaper options offering Intel i7-13700HX, which certainly is more powerful and the rebranded previous gen's flagship 12900 but thinking of skipping it as I might not be able to utilise its full potential and rather go with 7745HX that also looks like a good enough, powerful processor.
Yeah its a bit scammy to rename everything back to Zen 2 as 7000 series. Manufactures have taken full advantage of that and branded machines with several year old hardware with a Ryzen 7000 sticker. On the other hand none of these chips are bad if the price is right this isnt so much of an issue. I actually thought it was worse when they put Zen 2 chips into the 5000 line up. For example 5600u was Zen 3 and 5500u was Zen 2 and unlike in the new naming scheme there was nothing in the name to reflect it back then.
This is annoying. I wish laptop makers would just launch laptops with the 7840HS and no dGPU. Most users don't use their laptops for gaming and cooling a 35W chip would be relatively easy even in an ultrabook.
I want a laptop with a 99.9Whr battery, a Ryzen 6800H, 2 x memory slots, user-replaceable WiFi module, 2 x m.2 slots, a 500 nit 165Hz 16 inch panel that has a 60Hz option, very simple and plain white back-lighting with accurate brightness control, at least one USB 4 port, runs cool and quiet, and has good Linux compatibility.
That is all...
I'm genuinely waiting for a full AMD mini PC that might at least compete with my current Intel 10th gen w/ RTX2070S.
mini PC from amd with 7945HS + amd discrete mGPU with advantage memory sharing. wow that would be a killer mini 🥲😅
@@AhmadQ.81 let me know if you spot one 😉😎
At least the naming doesn't require a sun dial to figure out now. It is easy really
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Zen2 competed with 9th gen Intel. After looking at AMD’s marketing, if Intel tries to rebrand their 9th gen i7 chips as 13970 or something like that there would be riots in the online spheres. Every single CZcams channels will be calling out the shenanigans. But now since it is AMD, most people are fine with it.
Indeed. the hypocrisy is real
@@siyzerix you have autism don't you, isn't 13500 and below all rebrands of 12th gen lmfao
@@spookyskellyskeleton609 And the idiot seems to miss the point. While its known intel's using 12th gen. Hardly anyone knows amd is going all the way down to zen 2 for their so called ryzen 7000 mobile cpu's.
@@siyzerix and the semen waste seems to miss the point,zen2 is still capable and amd isn't that dumb .They will price it cheaper much cheaper
@@siyzerix keep scking and coping you closet gay🤡🤡😂😂
Well it's better than what we got from Intel were you had Ice Lake which was 10 nm up to 4 cores and Comet Lake which was 14 nm up to 6 cores. I think the naming is a mess but it's would be more confusing having Zen 2 with updated I/O and ram compatibility still listed as 3000/4000 Ryzen.
Oh you think AMD is not giving you 4c?
Look up the ryzen 5 7520u
@@siyzerix Never said they weren't. Just said that the name scheme is this messed up because they have Zen 2 parts that have an updated I/O so Ryzen 7000 with Zen 2 uses ddr5 while Ryzen 4000 with Zen 2 only support ddr4
@@sounghungi Its still AMD selling you 4c/8t ryzen 5 cpu's. Its just a ryzen 3 5300u thats updated
@@siyzerix Yeah I understand that. Never said anything about that. Personally I think 4c/8t is fine for laptops especially cheap ones.
@@sounghungi Then call it a ryzen 3. Not ryzen 5. Ryzen 3 is meant to go into cheap laptops.
AMD has always done this. Shoving in older gen chips into their newer laptop lines. One of the reasons I have always been ambivalent about getting an AMD powered laptop.
When I got mine I had to wait and wait for reviews on benchmarking etc. No point "pre-ordering" machines like this without seeing actual numbers.
Well I actually think that this model works much better than before. Because now you can know what you are getting as long as you understand the formula.
This has to do with marketing because people don't understand anything and they won't spend much money on a laptop or desktop with an older chip.
There are very few gaming laptops with ryzen cpus , that too releasing in later half of the year