Italian fishermen in Libyan custody | DW Documentary
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- Eighteen Sicilian fishermen have been in Libyan custody since September 2020. Their offence: Fishing for coveted red prawns off the coast of Libya. Their desperate families fear that more is at stake than sovereign rights at sea.
The Italian authorities remain silent, despite the fact that experts see Libya's actions as a clear violation of international law: The country also claims the seas outside the internationally defined twelve-mile zone, where the fishermen were sailing, as its territorial waters. But the Italian navy is increasingly withdrawing from the international waters off Libya's coast at the same time. Relatives of the captive fishermen say it’s because so many refugees get into trouble on the open sea and the navy no longer wants to have to rescue them. The fishermen's families are holding vigils in front of the parliament in Rome to try to pressure Italy's politicians into getting the 18 men released at last. A report by Philipp Zahn.
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How does Libya even have a functioning Coast Guard? Impressive!
the ships that have been used are mostly given from italy to libya with the plan to take back all the immigrants that left libya but now they are using them gainst us lmao
It only works one way lol
They function like pirates
@@giacomourettini2617 because ur gov is so soft and week and cowardly ! u look how turkey exploit and take opportunity in libya oil... u just near to libya
This was in eastern libya coastal ,the situation is different there
This documentary seems a bit biased, and you have to question everything published by DW. So my question is this, are Libyan fisherman allowed to trawl up the sea bed on Italy s coasts? and if you are'nt, how close to the Italian border are other countries allowed to fish?
Your response shows you do not understand the situation. International law sets a country's waters out to 12 miles off the coast (although the United States and some other nations claim it is 24 miles). Libya on the other hand claims the entire Gulf of Sitre as its territorial waters. So they are arresting Italians for fishing in waters that the United Nations says are international waters.
@@antiusromanus1500 Sorry... to break the news.... you are wrong. You are the one who obviously don't understand, or are even oblivious to, what fishing rights are about. In this video has territorial waters/borders nothing with the case to do. It is all about EEZ... which has been international law under UN since 1982. EEZ is the coastal state's exclusive rights to the marine resources up to 200 n.miles out from the coast. In the Mediterranean where the space is limited a coastal state's EEZ sector wil be limited to the midline when it meets another state's EEZ sector. You are either in one country's EEZ or you are in another countriy's EEZ. Hence "...international waters..." does not exist in the Med when it comes to marine resources and fishing rights. So out from the Libyan coast to the midline will their EEZ sector cover all of the Golf of Sirte/Sidra and much more. The Italian fishermen said themselves that they where 74 n.miles out from the Libyan coast. They also showed on the map that they where outside Benghazi. That means that they were far inside Libyan EEZ. Hence the Italians were violating international law. That Libya is in a mess does not give the Italians any right to fish there. They have simply nothing to do there. Google EEZ and see for yourselves.
I see a Libian has responded with the lies they tell themselves.
Same shit happens in my country, only its China instead of Italy coming to our coasts, and they stay just outside our economic zone, but drag their nets under it.
Sicily and Libya are about 70 miles apart. So is the dividing line at half that?
@@somebodyelse1968 What do you mean with "it's own territorial waters". When one country has territory in form of an Island close to the coast of another country.... well they must both respect the right to waters around the respective territories according to international law under UN. Through negotiation the two countries must agree to a separation line between there waters ... and normally it is the middle line.
No Sicily is more than 600 kilometers away.
It's not International water
They fish at Libya EEZ, a 200 notical mile from cost where a country have exclusive right to sea resources (fish, oil and gas, etc..)
At 6:30 a fisherman admit they fish at 75 notical miles and complain that its not Libya terrtorial water (which is a different thing and he is being missleading)
well.. they break the law so they deserve to be detained
Italy is 160 nautical miles from Libya so there is no way their EEZ is 200 miles.
@@freddyvorace9990 no Italy (Sicily)is 600 kilometers away from Libya.
@@ctwentysevenj6531 Lampedusa is like 120 or 160 miles from Libya
@@ctwentysevenj6531 Plus you have Malta inbetween Italy and Libya
So basically they, the Italians, do what the Chinese do; that is they remain in international waters during the day; then under the cover of darkness, sneak into whatever country's water. All while crying they were in international water, when caught and arrested. Sad that we only got the perspective of one side.
@lili thing Yes, because the fishermen would actually say we were fishing in Libyan waters. This was a poorly done piece by DW, whom I generally like. There was nothing from the Libyan said.
One of the reasons we had the Somalia pirate crisis a few years ago, was because of Chinese and European fishermen fishing in their waters and then claiming they were in international waters. China does the same thing. European countries does the same thing to poor countries, especially off the course of Africa.
Stop being defensive and open your eyes.
@@bysonchi It's the dog that is writing?
Most are Not refugees, that cross the sea from Lybia, they are economic migrants!!
Which is basically a refugee fleeing poverty, famine corruption and colonial influence.
Yea, what's your point? Imagine if you were born in a third world country, you'd want to leave, too.
@@JohnSmith-hs1hn sure, But I would never treat my ”new” country like trash, and I would never make the people in my ”new” country work and pay for my shit!
That is the difference!
If you want to come here to be a part of our culture, and work hard and pay taxes, and follow our laws, you are more than welcome, But if you dont, you are Not welcome! It is that simple!
And asylum is only for real refugees, Not economic migrants!
@@souichirooussa what a bunch of lies weeb also i wish they were colonies
Why haven't you asked the Libyan Coast guard for a statement, so we could hear both sides of the story?
They complain about illegal migrants but fish in African waters? Smh
2:26
A weird argumentation from the Italians. Not once in this video did I hear the mentioning of something called EEZ. That is the international law under UN that a coastal state has the exclusive right to explore the marine resources up to 200 n. mile out from the coast. Territorial border and EEZ are to different things. The Italians claims of "fishing in international waters" is just nonsens. They has simply nothing there to do. They said themselves that they were 74 n.miles out ..... hence they are fishing illegally within Libyan EEZ waters. But in Italy and specially on Sicily rules are not excatly something they find very important to follow. That Libya is in a caotic civil war situation and are not very focused on international law is a different story.....
Italy is 160 miles from Libya. So libyan EEZ isn't 200 miles. If they were 74 miles from libyan coast, they were probably in maltese EEZ
@@freddyvorace9990 Well ..... it seems like your attention to the ever important details is not there at all and you completely miss the direction in order to come to a correct conclusion.
This will be like feeding someone with a tea spoon. Please try to read what I wrote. I wrote about EEZ: "....up to 200 n.miles". Hence like in the Mediterranean where the space is limited between the coastal states then the midline is the guiding principle. The accurate line is given through agreements between the respective countries.
The closest territory Italy has to Libya is the tiny island of Lampeduse just over 150 n. miles away. For Malta is the distance more ... like over 180 n.miles. Hence will 74 n.mile (as the fishermen claimed to be out from the coast ) be within Libyan EEZ in any case. I can not recall that they at any time in the video talked about that area at all. So that area has nothing with this video to do. But on the other hand did they both talk and even showed on the map the sea area where they fished - outside Benghazi in eastern part of Libya. This is actually important details. In that direction are the distance between Malta and Libya like around 270 n.miles. To Italy is it even more .... like around 370 n.miles. Your claim that the fishermen were "...probably in Maltese EEZ" is just taken out of the blue and stumbles in every fact that there exist. You even ignore what the fishermen say themselves both in distance from the coast and position. Given that video is there no doubt they were fishing within Libyan EEZ waters.
I hope this can be a wake-up call for you..... because your performance here was zero..... Good luck.
before talking inform yourself because the Italian island of Lampedusa is 157,27nm from the port of Tripoli so none of what you said was true
@@gregoriosemmola887 Dude .... I am not much impressed. If you haven't anything rational to come with ....well, then you should just get lost....
You obviously need to learn to read and pay attention to facts. What I said stands 100% correct. Look at my comment and see what I wrote about EEZ: "...up to 200 n.miles". That means according to UN law that the EEZ can stretch up to 200 n.miles - MAXIMUM - out from the coast. That means that the EEZ can also be smaller. Like in the Mediterranean where space is limited ..... there will one coastal state's EEZ be limited by the neighbouring state's EEZ. When this happens the midline will be the guidance for the separation of the two sectors. The accurate line will be agreed on between the to respective countries.
Thank you ... I know very well about Lampedusa. I have specifically commented on Lampedusa other places in the comment field. It does not seem like you are able to divide you own number of 157 n.miles into two .... where you will find the midline/separation line between the Italian EEZ- and the Libyan EEZ sector. With the Italian fishermens own claim of being 74 n.miles out from the coast .... guess what.... they ends up in Libyan EEZ. Is that to much for you to grasp...???
You obviously didn't pay much attention to the video and it's content..... At no point was there talk about this specific area anywhere near Lampedusa. It is simply irrelevant to this video. The fishing area they talked about in the video and even showed on the map was outside Benghazi in the eastern part of Libya. The distance in that direction between Malta and Libya would be around 270 n.miles. For Italy the distance to Libya would be around 360 n.miles. So with the Italian fishermens own claim of being 74 n.miles out from the coast .... they will end up far inside Libyan EEZ. Their talk of "international waters", but should know that when it comes to fishing (and EEZ) so is that just nonsens. The Mediterranean is limited in size so either are you in one country's EEZ sector or you are in another country's EEZ sector.
Libya is in a mess, but that does not give the Italian fishers any right to fish there. That is simply a blunt violation of international law under UN.
@@xpost9381 You clearly know very little about the managment of EEZs in the Mediterranean. They have never been truly enforced and Tunisian and Lybian fishermen are allowed in Italian waters on a daily basis. Italy and Greece have formalized an agreement over their EEZs just few months ago, and other Countries are moving in the same direction just now.
Those high seas are both dangerous and profitable
Create a turmoil in libya let them fight for power and europeans can fish in the international waters
Yeah, because there’s no turmoil there right now....
USA is perfect at this
Exactly
What is Libya's problem?
You seem to mix up to different things. In the video the Italinas claim to be "fishing in international waters" .... which is just nonsens and twisting reality. The fact is that they are fishing in Libyan EEZ waters .... not mentioned once in the video. EEZ = exclusive economic zone with the right to explore the marine resources .... and that is international law under UN. The coastal state has the exclusive right to 200 n.mile out from the coast. To talk about "international waters" refer to the territoral border.... and that is a totally different thing. Hence don't mix up territorial - / international waters with EEZ waters.
I never ate a shrimp that big in my whole life.
I didnt fly with airplane yet
they kinda have no taste lol (atleast in my experience)
You never been to Sicilia lol
@@zoedelacruz9931 I think they are alright but dang, ain't they expensive. Tiger prawns do taste better, imho.
@@zoedelacruz9931 Maybe in your sea, not in the mediterranean sea.
Free Italian fisherman, they were working as always for their families. Help them, they are good people
Fake news. Their fishing in another country’s Exclusive Economic Zone. You can’t fish off another country’s shores without their permission. Their pirates. Go fish as a foreign flagged vessel 12 miles off the coast of Sicily and see what happens to you.
1st view and comment. I enjoy these short documentaries.
Its disappointing people still brag about being a first comment. I sincerely hope you're a child.
Who's territorial Waters are they?
Water is now a trading commodity ☠️
2:26
honestly its libyan waters
there is a war in libya rn. italy is helping the west and the east is backed by russia
It is Libyan EEZ waters. That is international law under UN. The coastal state has the exclusive right to explore the marine resources up to 200 n.miles out from the coast. The Italians is not "fishing in international waters" .... they simply has nothing there to do.
Italians complaining they can't imagine life without fishing first class red shrimp while Libyans live in dire poverty. What a hypocrisy of a world we are living in.
Fairly certain people are allowed to complain about being illegally detained/imprisioned, whoever they might be. There’s no hypocrisy here.
Nice 👍👍
3:10 Nice priorities man
Libya is right if they say its international waters the shrimp will be gone same with any other fish.
Libya did not say that. It was the Italians that claimed that they were "fishing in international waters" .... which is just nonsense. Italians has nothing there to do. It is clearly Libyan EEZ waters. EEZ = exclusive economic zone in accordance with international law (UN).
this sentence = because libya says its international waters all sealife leaves the area. IDK what the fuck you mean but idiots should be quiet
Worst than Pirate of the Seas... Libyan shame on you... That Ocean dont belong in you... Bring back the fisherman to thier family..
It actually belong to them. That if we forget about the ecological consequences of this kind of fishing has.
Is this a repuload?
I have a feeling italians are bad with maps when it comes to fishing, croatia, slovenia, albania and greece seem to have the same problems with them
what happened to the 200 mile limit?
Well, I would love to hear the Libians side, and I do think he Italian make a lot of damages to the Mediterranean Sea the way they fish, theirs nets is the problem
I'm Libyan and I can confirm the Libyan sea has been and still is being robbed from all its riches ever since the revolution in 2011 the country has been fucked and robbed
Due to lack of resources, war and corruption there barely is a coast guard and navy in Libya to protect its waters just a few boats with 50 cals and neighbouring countries such as Tunisia, Egypt and italy have taken advantage of this lawless Libyan sea
I wish you get arrested for a living, asshole
Leave Libyan EEZ. Respect other people's rights? what about that illegal fisherman ( thieves)
So yeah let's kidnap fishermans because they (allegedly) violated fishing zones. What do you expect from a country with a legal system based on sharia smh
@@sofoclispetrosjulyan1397 This is called Law enforcement. There is a reason why the Italian government do not talk about it they knew the fishermen are violating Libyan EEZ.
@Marwan . B yes, that's the problem, the rules in that "country" originated from Sharia
@@KWTxrulz "law enforcement"? Don't use "law" and "lybia" in the same sentence, that's a joke
@@sofoclispetrosjulyan1397 A sympathizer with lawless thieves, lecturing us about laws. What a joke.
Libya block italian fishibg boats in the seem time.libya have no fishing fleets thats crazy
If they or italian government try to contact with the libyan goverment in easter libya instead stealing maybe they can get legal contract for fishings in libyan water
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When you figure in the cost of armed protection AND rescuing migrants, fishing the international waters is not so profitable. The owners of those boats will eventually get out of that business.
What is Libya's problem?
Libya has obviously a lot of problems ..... to many to mention here. It would be much easier to mention what is not a problem there. But when it comes to this video are the Italians fishing illegally in Libyan EEZ waters. The Italians has nothing there to do.....
@@xpost9381 your grammar clearly has a lot of problems
@@theflanman420420
You shouldn't be so critical. English is probably not 'X post's native language.
And if you DO want to criticize his/her grammar you should improve yours first.
Sentences begin with a capital letter and end with a full stop/period.
Those who told them to enter the maritime borders and territorial waters of the Libyan state without government permission these thieves and steal fish from the coasts of Libya and sell it in Europe as a European product and not Libyan, this is called in the laws of the Security Council and the United Nations pirated and stolen organized and they should not be allowed to fish on the Libyan coast and they have to bear the consequences of their dirty criminal acts for stealing the fish of Libya
Thats simple piracy and kidnapping. Seems like a UN or EU naval force needs to intercede and protect international waters, and arrest coast guard forces from these countries when they overstep. Some embargoes on these countries would also be helpful.
US Sixth Fleet should intercede and put the smackingpractice. Libyan Coast Guard units. Good target lractice.
They are within their right under International law, it's a libyan EEZ. The Italians are trespassing. The US wouldn't intervene to help violate International law.
That is funny-Italian in Libyan custody. How about all the Libyans that come to Italian shores, send back in exchange for the Italian fisherman. Logical thinking, no!
for $38000 the fisherman should carry some stinger missiles like the afghans used in the 1980s. thatll solve your libyan problem very quickly ;)
Or they should stay out of other countries territorial waters.
MASSIVE shrimp boyyyy!
We made fences and borders for ourselves
1 sided!!! International water by Italians, Libyan by Libyans....
Imagine if Libyans would come to the shore of Sicily to fish....
They do, as I sayd in my previous comments, EEZ are not enforced strictly in the Mediterranean, and Lampedusa is 157 miles from Libya, meaning that is an Italian EEZ for that matter
So hang on, Libya’s finishing ground is 200 nautical miles off Libya including Italy as with any other countries or as far as it can go so two or most countries still have equal amounts of wishing waters but they are still fishing 74 nautical miles off Libya and Libya is the problem? And the answer is getting the EU to help make a deal with Libya? Ya that will work it doing wonders with Brexit....
Libya owns 12 miles of nautical miles, and unilaterally declared possession on 72 nautical miles not 200, so stop drinking and acting the clown. Moreover, 200 nautical miles away there are Malta and Sicily, so you are ridiculous.
Stop fishing in Libyan waters. As simple as that
Its international waters, of course fishing in foreign national waters would be illegal without a permit. Apart from that and as an example italy had plenty of foreign fishing boats working in italian seas (often from north africa) but they didnt kidnap them and arrest them in this undemocratic and backwards fashion..
Apparently, they don't understand what "international waters" means. Just mount some anti-armor 20 mms on the front of the fishing boats...
@@shainemaine1268
Yeah, nothing could go sideways there....
@@Tombombadillo999 "..its international waters..." . Nope.... that has nothing with international waters to do. It's not mentioned in the video but the Italians are fishing illegally in Libyan EEZ waters. EEZ = exclusive economic zone. International law under UN state that the coastal state has the exclusive right to explore the marine resources up to 200 n.miles out from the coast. The Italian said that they were 74 n.mile out .... which is far inside Libyan EEZ. Talking about international waters refer to a territorial border.... and that is a totally different thing. Hence EEZ and international-/territorial waters are not the same.
@@xpost9381 Italy is 160 nautical miles from Libya so there is no way libyan EEZ is 200 nautical miles. Pus you have Malta inbetween
#SaveTheShrimp
Can Italy send in their best soldiers to get their citizens out of a bullshit prison?
Those are criminals, caught draining Libyan waters from marine life. The EU should take them back and imprison them.
No, because European watchdogs, that helped USA to kill Geddafi, who Italy had a good relationship with, would eventually stop Italy from doing anything.
@@souichirooussa u must be some kind of filthy moor
The EU bought the Libyan coast guard those nice boats so that they could deal with the refugee issue from their end. So Europeans solved one problem and created a new one. Oh well.
A nice ripp off , lmao
oh nice have they solved the first problem yet? where are you living on mars !!! those boats where ever they came from they were bought by Libyan money
Libyan money? Is there anything left after Qaddafi’s cronies stole it all?
BTW Love you Germany for supporting us in pandemic.Giving 112million for RMG workers.Or else our inveators are all busy in Dubai and Switzerland for lavish life.Curse on them who supress the workers.
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EU after brexit: the water belong to all of us.
UK: ?????
In no time, they'll deplete the shrimp by over fishing if both join forces. It's not sustainable. I hope they reach an agreement however.
Thank you, surely they could come to a arrangement that is beneficial to both of them because Libya needs money so why not charge them a small fee or get them to buy a fishing license from there government & do it properly then more people will start to go back
Why? Those are international waters. Libya has no right to interfere in any way. That would be like Italy arresting Libyan fisherman 100nm from the coast. Its piracy and Libya should be held accountable and treated as such.
@@willard39 You seem completely ignorant about EEZ - as international law under UN since 1982.
A coastal state has the exclusive economic rights to the marine and seabed resesources up to 200 n.miles out from the coast. In Mediterranean where the space is limited the midline will be the separation between the different countries EEZ sectors. So in the Mediterranean does there not exist any "international waters" - when it comes to fisheries and EEZ. That is just nonsens talk from those Italians. They were far inside Libyan EEZ ....and they had nothing there to do.
As a Muslim nation Lybia should not eat shellfish anyway
You mixed up muslims with jews
But I don't blame you, they both have useless wired food and eating rules
@@jaouad_h ARAM I believe pork and shellfish are forbidden to muslims and Jews also
@@elephantsmemory3142 Every fish is halal in Islamic teaching. EVERYthing that comes from the sea is halal.
@@KWTxrulz Thank god I'm an athiest
They should not kidnap and kill people either
How about a DOC od fake or adulterated olive oil these days?
Stop exploiting the seas, sorted
Its Libyans water. Stop fishing there.
International waters...
@mihiec DW are being missleading
The fishermen are encroaching on libya EEZ.
Territorial water is 12 notical miles, and it's where a country enforce their laws
EEZ is 200 notical miles, and it's where a country have exclusive rights of sea resources (fish, oil, etc..)
In 6:30 you can hear an italian fishermen admitting that they fish at 75 notical mile from the coast, and complain that libyan have no right to arrest them !!
Sicily and Libya are about 70 miles apart. So is the dividing line at half that?
@@jaouad_h my bad you are right
The whole Mediterranean is claimed by all it neighbouring countries though, that is: there is no International water, which means those fishermen are lying, they either fish in Italian, Maltese or Libyan waters.
If its Libyans fault Italian air force would have bombed Libya out of earth.
Those shrimp would make my gout explode my feet like bombs!
Libyan coast guard did not stop them for the fish ... the libyan ask in exchange for the fisherman's some libyan detained in jail in italy what a strange coincidence ...the fishing is just an excuse
"International waters" every country has fishing rights out to 200milesfrom their coast. Very biased documentry.
This is a classic example of Italian colonialism. It is a disgusting to see Italian claiming rights for Libyan offshores after overfishing & depelting thier own. It is greed about making more & more money. We as Libyans should cut ties with Italy as it only casues trouble and abuse
It will be happening in the UK waters soon Yayyy Brexit
The EU countries are incomparable to Libya.
Hannibal of Barca Italians, do you know him?
we know him and thats why carthage was destroyed we need to do that again?
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Italy, Salvini.... Sank many Africans, or denied them refugee as its a right of every human... Yet they leave their fisherman to fish on Libya territory, as they use the advantage of Libya not having a good naval or govt... Sometimes God pays in this same World...
That god really sucks then
Salvini is no more ruling and has nothing to do with this topic, weak up genius
finally something good that should serve as warning to stay away from Libyan waters. "The water belongs to all of us" tell that to the British
Your sentence makes no sense. You tell to stay away from Libyan waters and then imply that british are the danger
What an idiot
Stop drinking and beside the garbage you wrote you'll se no British, trust me
Good for the Libyans. These fishermen can't own the seas.
If the Libyans are detaining Italian sailors. Why not just give the men back and keep the boats
Africa is not Europe cake. They have the right to arrest them.
The country is LIBYA, genius. There's no issue with the whole Africa
where is the Italian government to look after them you let those people for so long prisoners unbilibeble
Stop fishing in african waters
There are international waters or national waters, there's no such a nonsense as african waters.
They should know better than to venture to Libyan waters.
Well tell Mario and Luigi to stop being so greedy... sheesh
Get used to this EU fishermen, soon the Royal Navy will be doing the same for illegal activities in UK sovereign waters.
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