I Bought The WORST Rated Best Buy Gaming PC
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"E-Waste peripherals as fun to use as a home colonoscopy kit."
The medical dictionary is still coming in handy I see David.
Best money I ever spent.
I just realized my school uses these e-waste peripherals for ALL the computers (students use them every day)
@@etiennebsm692 There's a difference from resonable OEM products (ones that wouldn't be suitable for gaming), and OEM products that don't deserve to be labeled by even the shittiest of companies ("how tf can someone use MS Word on this???/?")
@@etiennebsm692 i worked for a small system integrator in the early 00s. i think we were paying less than a dollar per unit on e-waste peripherals. it is bloody amazing how cheap those things are when you order a thousand units at a time. unless you warranty the cheapo mouse and you have to pay a 3000% markup.
Included keyboards really are terrible. They're such an important part, but treated as an afterthought.
In my experience after replacing the prebuilt's preinstalled os past that any slowdown of the PC over time is down to user error. People installing all kinds of weird crud and expecting their PC to not suffer for it. The other day i saw a guy complaining his computer was slow while he was running a mining program on it in the background.
If it lets you. I had an HP system years back that literally had it's bloatware built into the motherboard or something. Even went as far as installing windows in a different machine on a new HDD 100% clean then putting it into the HP and it refused to boot. You had to install windows on that computer at which point it would inject it's bloatware into the install at some point and if you tried to get around doing it the way HP wanted it would crash at boot.
That's why I always caution the advice "just reinstall windows" because some companies go next level on not letting you do something on the hardware YOU bought without their permission.
@@devilmikey00 yep, you have to fully wipe all the partitions on the drive or the restore partition will reinstall all the junk, insanity.
lol. Honestly not sure how they managed know enough to configure a miner, but not enough to know that running a miner will hurt general usage (unless you specifically tune the miner to be a bit lighter on the system)... Maybe they were using the Norton miner.... o_o The horror of such thoughts...
@@devilmikey00 My professional recommendation is to not buy such computers. Not all oems do that and even HP doesn't do it on every system.
@@11matt555 NiceHash basically does it all for you, it's really easy to setup. They even have a QuickMiner version which is even easier.
To be fair, the second comment could easily be user error. "My PC is slow now" is either aging hardware and newer software or just a user putting junk on it. I assume the PC came with a small SSD so it's probably full, can't cache anything etc.. Not to mention dust and all, that may increase temps and throttle the PC.
I think it just had the single NVME drive. Or, they have 20 tabs of Chrome open.
I mean, the review doesn't even imply that the thing got slower over time. It just says that it's slow and they've had it for 5 months.
Worked at MS support for years and owned my own pc business before that, I can GUARANTEE that's what happen (I would see this all the time). The person is probably one of those people who just click through installers and don't read anything installing tons of bloatware on their pc.
yup, especially on cheap SLC caching SSD's. You only need to get your drive to 80-90% full and it will drop performance because of how caching works on those drives.
@@sweaterfish6311 The message is clear to me: It's so slow, it took them 5 months to write the review.
Generally theres a debug option in those bioses. If you hold shift and hit the f keys you may be able to get a hidden list of bios options. Some dell bioses had hidden overclocking features in those menus.
Yeah, my MSI Laptop has a pretty damn exhaustive hidden BIOS menu. Like so exhaustive I'm fairly sure you could easily brick the laptop if you didn't know what you're doing.
@@startedtech You can't "brick" a system with a bios. Because they always have an on-board flash option back to the original bios.
@@zedorda1337 not true
Oh cool! I’ll dig around in it over my extended period with the system and see what I can find. 👍
Same. I have an Acer Nitro laptop and there is an advanced bios you can access to change many features.
"Gonna replace my main gaming PC with this POS for a month"
GIGACHAD!
Im curious to see how I’m going to feel about that system by the end of it. 😅
@@DawidDoesTechStuff I bet you rage after a week & toss it out the window ..... actually if you want to be really evil make Anna use it for the month. LoL ;)
I actually expected it to be from a no name obscure PC builder lol
11:20 WTF IT'S $1200?! FOR JUST A GTX 1650! I BOUGHT ONE WITH A 1660 SUPER FOR $949!! (Apparently in Canadian dollars but still bad).
same i got the gtx 1660S i5 11400F for 900$ or less in norway
for the same price i got a 3060ti and i5 11400f and get this dual chanel ram
i enjoy gtx 650 with 1gb vram
Lol even a 900$ laptop is better than that
Canadian $
But still yes
"It might be Smart Buy but the guy that built it might be a dumb guy" - The Greatest Technician That Has Ever Lived
Reseller here --- I've gotten 2 of the older versions/variants second-hand for dirt cheap. Probably because it's pretty amazing how poorly they perform out of the box. Upgraded ram, storage, & cooling then resold. Not horrendous if picked up cheap and upgraded. But, you should open up that GPU and take a look at how poorly the internal cooling is done. HWmonitor will reveal the truth about temps on that gpu.
He showed the temps while gaming, which were in low 60's while gaming which is normal.
@@jarateman6427 only the core gets active cooling on most oem cards, the core is what u saw in the video
The mobo needs to be swapped out tho, that bios has no options, they should get inspiration from the Chinese xeon mobo's with 9000 options
I have roughly the same PC without graphics card but have 750 way power supply and 2 8 gigs ram
But only for 300 pounds
Press "F" for Dawid for sacrificing himself to this PC
flashbacks to 8 hour chair testing video...
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I have a feeling that RAM speed limit is due to the PC only recognizing JEDEC speeds and not XMP/DOCP, like you saw with laptop ram kits before.
Oh for sure, this is a problem I have with pretty much every OEM prebuilt.
Love the before and after results with the ram configuration, after that outstanding Fortnite win!! Love the content dawid and I like how you actually read the comments.
I think you need to invest in a second stick of 8GB green meenie ram that's exactly the same as the original and that should bring back that 3200 speed. Also if the system is slowing down progressively could this be indicative of an issue with the ultra budget NVME? I had a similar problem with an ADATASU635.
My thought exactly. I would open the PC up and look at the model of that single stick of RAM and then go online to buy another one of that type. It's not pretty ram but getting another stick of 8GB to match is perfectly fine and saves a ton of cash over buying a whole new 16GB kit of memory, especially if it is running at 3200mhz. Plus, the performance difference between either kit would be negligible, at best.
@@MrR2185 One thing to note,
These "simple" sticks of ram can sometimes not be so "simple", sometimes these green sticks of ram are made by request to the manufacturer to be the cheapest possible. What that means is they usually are single rank sticks, the ones you find online are probably dual rank sticks because its made for a global market.
Therefore you may end up with two sticks that you think that are the same, they have exactly the same specs and branding but they are very different inside and the machine may not even post.
Ive had machines that only post with single rank memory, ive had machines that only post with dual rank memory, but nowadays consumer-grade they pretty much accept everything you throw in.
Do not confuse with single and dual channel memory.
I would have loved to see a quick compare of pulling the GTX and seeing how the 5600G fared with those two sticks of ram.
frome I saw they chose no not install a Mobo Graphics card plug which could be seen as a good and a bad thing it means people wont accdentially plug into the mobo video header and get even worse gaming performance.
can i just say, your analogies are second to none on youtube! you constantly have my laughing my a@@ off in your videos, thanks for that!
Another fine Dawid video with the sass other tech channels lack!
Every time I see people commenting, I also see you personally try and respond to all of them. You are awesome man. Your ability to teach us about our favorite hobby all while giving us a good laugh is a godsend. I look forward to seeing these videos. I even go back and re-watch them. Maybe one day we can game a little together. I would love to have a brief chat sometime. Thanks again. You are the best. And not Best Buy(s) best. But the threadripper of tech tips.
Haha!! Thanks for the awesome comment. I’m glad you enjoy the videos and maybe we’ll bump into each other in game at some point. 👍
The intermittent stuttering was likely due to the known fTPM issue with Ryzen and Windows 10 and 11. It's enabled in the BIOS when you were scrolling through there. Disabling that feature should make the issue go away. AMD said it will take BIOS updates to resolve and those are expected from motherboard manufacturers in May 2022.
@LabRat Knatz I'm still on Windows 10 but I had it enabled and disabled the fTPM without issue after running into the stuttering. From what I've seen from others the same is true for Windows 11. It has to be enabled during the install of Windows 11 and can be disabled once the install is done with out causing any problems from what I've heard.
Thanks for the suggestion. I’ll go and have a look. 😁
@@DawidDoesTechStuff also one more thing, if you use Ryzen Master you can overclock the RAM (obviously only for Ryzen prebuilts, if you had an Intel processor you'd be out of luck).
Wait what?! Any link on this?
@@itsTyrion I couldn't post a link previously. Just search for Ryzen fTPM bug or along those lines and the AMD article should come up with plenty of others.
Looking forward to your future video when possession has finally set in.
Pretty slick seeing you liquid cool the GPU while air cooling the CPU! Total role reversal over a lot of builds. What's your whole build fan config? And what are you getting with your clocks?
I bought this rig from a 2nd hand shop a couple months ago for around $400+tax as my first Project Desktop. After a week of diagnostics, reinstalling windows twice, and upgrading from 8g single to 16g dual ram (along with some other various tweaks) - it's been running quite well. Not the most terrible gaming pc in the world... if you find it at a decent price, anyway!
it gets slower over time sounds like someone let granny play with their computer and load it up with random bloatware🤣
If that OEM BIOS has any options for ram speed if would be under the CPU and chipset section of the advanced tab, which you skipped over without actually checking.
But sadly many/most OEM's dont allow you to enable AMP/XMP as its considered overclocking and in Intel's case only the more expensive chipsets and K series CPUs used to support it.
“Running a marathon after amateur hip replacement “
“Rabid dog equivalence of windows,
I need this lol I need more
Dawid's videos are always edited nicely and the music is pleasant.
I do actually still own and use the old Nitro 50 ( since its my only pc) and, its not that bad.
i7 8700
Gtx 1060 6gb
2tb
dual stick 8bg (16 in total , before had single 8 stick but i upgraded it)
even if it was a showroom model which was running for years and was therefore cheap and even if one of the ramslots broke, it works surprisingly good ( and it isnt possesed by anything which is a plus)
It's creepily similar to the computer I built, but they're charging twice the price. I have a slightly better graphics card(1650 Super) and dual channel, but yeah. If you delete the bloat it's not that bad value considering current prices.
Exactly. I dont think the single stick of ram is a good idea, but its not a completely terrible machine
Going to have to look into that AK cooler, TY for the video :)
That "proprietary" plug is a JST connector, a VERY common type of connector in electronics. You can make one yourself too!
The peripherals aren't really ewaste if it works it could be a backup option if the keyboard or mouse breaks. At least that is my poor boy opinion
You are right, but once you get a quality keyboard, they don't break like cheap ones, and you won't be able to stand typing on that garbage membrane keyboard either. I have an extra keyboard in my closet, but it's been there for 5 years now.
@Eckx1084 can confirm. Used some e waste peripherals for like 3 years and recently switched over to some good stuff and it was life changing lol
@@Zacyz125 I got my kids a Razer bundle for Christmas. Keyboard, mouse, headset and mouse pad. They are membrane keyboards. Whenever I have to do something on their PC's I cringe. It feels so bad compared to my GMMK. Best $120 I ever spent, really.
It's ewaste. Wasted plastic and PCB that won't last and often won't be used
Right? I always keep that stuff around. In case something breaks or if you're a wireless mouse/keyboard user and the batteries die and you don't have any replacements, an old wired mouse can be a real lifesaver.
For example, a crappy old Dell wired mouse I found in a box of new-old-stock "ewaste" saved my butt just last month when my wireless mouse's batteries pooped out at work and I didn't have any replacements. I'm a graphic designer so being without a mouse is a bad situation.
Normally I'd say don't even bother pairing the 8GB it comes with, and just buy a faster kit of 16gb.. but in this case, just buying another 8gb of the same thing, if you can find it, would be fine.. That and reload windows and you have a decent system.. albeit overpriced for what it is..
It probably wont run 3200mts in dual channel. If you did match the original stick I would guess it downgrades to 2666 or even 2133.
You can just buy cheapest shit and that would be fine. You can probably get 2133 to 2666 8gig sticks for 15-20$ used or not much more for new.
That’s what I’m going to be doing to it for my month long test. 👍
Ram is certainly the cheapest upgrade you could make here other than maybe storage speed. It's too bad you can't get it to 3200 with the poor bios but in the case that you could a brand new 2x8gb kit is 70$. It's too bad gpus are so expensive still cause you could make this be a much better custom build for 1000$.
Looking forward to your month-long review on this computer!
I love all of the snarky and sarcastic analogies
It's obious that the single chanel RAM was the Problem but what I would like to know ist the following:
What difference would it have made if you put in a 8GM dual chanel set?
Sure the game used ~12GB but games always tend to grab whats free if it comes down to RAM.
Yup
Dual channel will have better latency and bandwidth cause of interleaving but nothing can save you from the hit when you gotta use dat Page File
I used my nitro 50 for 3 years and tbh it works great, even after upgrading my ram, not slow at all and average gaming performance. Although I know now to avoid prebuilts for future pc
They are not all bad,they just need some tlc and ram.
@@jukkapiispanen123 yep you're right, it's has served me well and still does now.
Not all prebuilt are bad for example abs on Newegg
I am really glad your system worked out for you. I’ll see how I get on with it over time.
@@DawidDoesTechStuff thanks for commenting. 💖.
Dawid please never stop posting videos about your zany tech adventures.
Great video, really enjoyed returning to the horrible Acer system and can't wait for the update video(s). Thanks Dawid.
Well 2133 is the base speed for DDR4 so I expected it, it is quite curious how they managed to get the single stick to run @3200 when there isn’t a bios option to enable it.
It's called JEDEC and it's (3200) the defualt speed for that particualr stick where as 2133 is the JEDEC defualt speed for most other ddr4 sticks.
There should be a setting in the BIOS for DOCP on the AMD boards. It will set it at the speed of the ram sticks.
@@DroneMee Exactly! The whole JEDEC thing has been the bane of my existence for ages. 😁
@@DroneMee yeah I know what JEDEC is, but I’m pretty sure anything OVER 2133 is considered “overclocked” by them, because they don’t determine what CPU support what speeds. They just set the minimums and let manufacturers decide from there where to go.
@@Living-gnu-64 seems to be that it's not OC if the default JEDEC speed is 3200mhz. Contrary to most retail ram kits for individuals building/upgrading systems. This is done (from my own observations) for mainly oem motherboards like this one (that appears to be 12v only). That's why there is no bios setting for memory oc. It is designed to be ran with ram that has only the default JEDEC speeds. It is up to the system integrator to pair with a cpu that will support the speeds of the ram they choose to us in their pre-built systems, it would appear.
AK629 is a great CPU cooler, The Pricing is amazing as well!
I know right! I really like it, it also looks great. 😁
@@DawidDoesTechStuff Yeah
I love it whem Dawis talks aboyt PSÜs, CPÜ cÖÖlurs and other PC comÜnents.
Makes my day every time 😁
The reason they have a sata power cable like that is because it's a 12V power supply, you don't have sata power coming out of the psu in those, you connect it to the board. That's also why there's no 24pin, but only what looks like a cpu power that goes to the board instead.
the only problem with the 5600G is it only supports pci-e 3.0 even if its being ran on a 4.0 motherboard, so a video card in a 4.0 slot only runs at 3.0 speeds, that is also weird it ran at a lower ram speed.Everyone knows if you put a stick of slower ram into a computer it down clocks all ram to that slowest ram speed but Ive never actually seen it down clock it lower than the lowest ram speed. Possibly a bios update will at least bring ut up to the lower clocked ram speed
The oem mobos are pretty garbage when it comes to ram configurations. You need to match the original stick with the same speed and timings otherwise it reverts to stable minimum. However, this system might not run any ram at 3200mts in dual channel.
you shouldnt worry about the pcie gens atm
@@Arminoderso 6500XT says hello. 😀
@@Arminoderso you need to be cautious even the 6600XT is only on a 8x bus
Hmm, i wonder if that 3200mhz stick of ram have that frequency as a standard JEDEC config
Your Corsair rams although overclocked seems to be based on a JEDEC base speed of 2133mhz, because ofc it doesn't matter as you are supposed to enable XMP
This little machine (and other pcs with basic af bios) is probably reading the SPD chip on the ram, seeing that its base JEDEC is 2133 and using that
You wave 2 ways of fixing this, take an asus overkill mobo, cuz i believe they can allow you to write the spd chips on ram, at least my Z270 maximus Hero IX let me do that, and rewrite it with the timings you want, idk how you edit them tho so be careful with that
Or look through your pile of single stick rams from trash pcs and get another 3200mhz, chances are these speeds are JEDEC because im pretty sure those naked sticks dont support xmp
Or just change mhz thru ryzen master
@@MantasNorkus if it saves the timings and shit by all means, but if you have to always keep ryzen master open to most likely to get those timings saved is just a pita, saving it in bios means you dont have to deal with it later
The king of naming conventions, I crown thee Dawid! 😊 Always enjoy your videos!
Just found your channel and REALLY enjoy the humor along with the info. You're doing a great job man. And yes, I have subscribed and liked vids
That SATA power connector on the motherboard is common in small-form factor industrial systems. Interesting to see it used here in a consumer-spec PC. I guess it helps with cable management since the PSU now needs fewer cables?
Windows 10 on 8GB of single-channel was/is a painful experience... Windows 11 (which is basically an open beta - despite technically in general release) on 8GB of single-channel has to be something like getting every form of VD... at the same time... while having a raging case of COVID... and having your hair on fire.
Lol you say win 10 on 8 gig is a painfull experience wait till you see my laptop that had win 10 on 4 gig of ddr3 ram
It amazes me how a random person can watch a couple CZcams videos and build a better pc than what a billion dollar company with lots of employees can do
i mean companies will cheap out anything they can to save money while most people won’t be able to do the same
@@roowut Well their not really saving any money. Their actually losing money in the long run cuz once people know how they operate they go elsewhere next time.
@@xtremezone987 think about the type of people these computers are typically made for. people who don’t know a lot about computers buy these because it’s the easiest way of getting a pc. they therefore won’t notice a lot of the things that prebuilts cheap out on because to them it’s normal
I feel like I've seen that case appear as a villain in a children's saturday morning cartoon.
whenever I get bored I think: I wonder if dawid has a new vid, and every time he has never failed to deliver lol
Am I special now?
You are, Anna
"Is Anna special now?"
"Yes, AnnaDoes"
How can they possibly sell these as "gaming" when they still use bios from literally over 20 years ago 😱
Seems like you could probably put a mini ITX board in there
Sleeper gaming pc perhaps?
if this were my computer i would try to find the very specific module thats in there and purchase the exact same one. maybe it hits the rated speeds that way, and its cheaper to get a matching kit even if you spend more for the single stick (say 30 bucks for 1 stick vs 45 for 2)
I just knew you were going to test with more RAM later, it had to be done! GJ
not seen your videos before but you're a funny man. Subscribed
I fricking love your content btw
ha cant wait to see more (hoping it cures you more) lol
hey havent seen different with cooler tamp? did it increase heat after ram swap?
I saw this video exactly a month after release. Perfect!
0:52 That "Below" sounded suspiciously like "Linode" well played Dawid. XD
I think the SATA power connector coming from the motherboard means that the power supply and mobo are 12VO, which would be the first time I've seen it in the wild. Neat!
Looking forward to seeing how long you can stick it, rubber up!
I hope your next video is comparing the home colonoscopy kits you spoke of, I wonder what e-waste they come with
Your sense of humor and comments are hilarious and catch me by surprise every damn time
I just love the sarcasm in your videos. I do have to be cautious because it is contagious…
Sort of like system integrators using a single stick of RAM.
A home colonoscopy kit sounds like hours of fun, as long you're not on the receiving end, but the administering end.
1000th like from here, these prebuilt PC videos are best!
I bet it'll be okay! I mean, you definitely corrected the main issue needing to be corrected.
Unless it has one of those audio drivers that goes rogue and uses the entirety of your RAM or some nonsense.
The ram problem is the exact same as a lot of other OEM systems. You need ram that supports the JEDEC standard in order to run at advertised speeds otherwise anything you put in there will be 2133 mhz
@LabRat Knatz damn, even with an asus board?? i have a tuf b550 and docp works fine with Corsair ram. the board must be defective or something, is it too late to claim manufacturer's warranty?
tbh just be happy they give them to you free if your on a tight budget that helps a lot and now you have a spare just in case
Yeah about the 2133 mhz I was 100% expecting that. As someone from eastern Europe almost every time I've worked with ddr4 it would be on some hottible motherboard that wouldn't allow changing ram speed so it would be stuck at 2133, absolutely horrible.
Great video as always! What is the software that you are using for the hardware measurements
I was wondering as well
I cannot imagine how many times I'd accidentally turn that thing off with a power button that big.
I'm getting a 10900K and I was looking for a fan to cool it, I saw that fan and immediately went to the description and bought it, hopefully it works out!
My first gaming pc was a pre-built Acer Predator UR100D back in 2014.
12gb DDR3 ram (dual channel)
GTX 760
Core i7-4770
2TB HDD
It worked fine for a while, even put a 970 in it for better performance. That cpu is actually still in use in a system my step brother has, and the 760 is still kicking in that same system!
Damn, your really making sacrifices out here, your pc looks like a beast
Loving that Deep Cool AK620! Thanks for showing it in your personal rig. Do you figure to keep rolling with it? Or is it just in there for a promo?
Acer bios usually automatically enable X.M.P profiles on ram but only specific ones seem to work properly. I had an Acer laptop that enabled xmp without any bios changes
It's the sarcasm that keeps me coming back for more.
Looking forward to the Alma carnage! (and maybe your efforts to recover from it?)
Do you do the tear down after doing the tests? Bc u might mess up the results by not running it stock like temps (you might make it better 😅)
Great content. Waiting on the new update.
It looks like the power supply is only delivering 12v.That would explain why you hooked up the Sata power connector to the motherboard. The motherboard is where the voltage conversion is taking place.
Dawid’s computer collection would make a system found at the bottom of a landfill look like the fastest computer known to man
Looking forward to that follow-up. So far it seems okayish
Out of the blue. Music playing in your videos when you presenting pc before tests is quite similar to track from old game Dath Rally. Is it?
DAMN DAWID! Is that chisel I see in the background because those arms cut!
I'm happy to watch this new episode of David does 15fps gaming on a boiling hot computer.
You know your favorite youtuber is gaining influence when Acer listens to him on not one but two huge flaws in their front panel design. They lit up the monobrow AND ditched the dvd-rw drive!
You forgot to mention that the case has optional punch-outs for COM and LPT, just in case you want to connect your early 90s printer :)
Greg's fix or flop series had a pc from best buy prebuilt with a lemon nvme, started failing after 7months of use
Awesome video. Is there an update video somewhere?
A home colonoscopy kit could be a lot of fun to use...imagine just watching the monitor as you use a joystick to wiggle a camera around in your colon: "Oooohhh...polyp 360 noscope!". An e-waste keyboard is just gonna wreck your day, your week, your month, or even your year...especially if you are used to a mech keyboard.
Jesus I love your content, pure gold 👌
Dawid, could you add Amazon Canada links if you do similar sponsors? If you can, that is. Also, what's the program you use on your game tests for your GPU/CPU readings? Love the channel.
Hey dawid! You should also review Acer Predator Orion 3000 from best buy! With the price about $1999 CAD
Appreciate ur work 👌
When one of the flashy stickers on the front of your new prebuilt advertises 'HDMI' like it's some fancy reverse-engineered alien technology, run away.
3:45 correction
It's like running a marathon with one leg
I can't get over that monstrous power button. Wonder what the design idea was behind that.
3:59 wow, when I saw the DVI+hdmi I thought this was going to be a 1030
YOU MISSED they are using moles adapters to power the 4 pin motherboard connector .... while the 4 pin from psu is unused .