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This stream features AMD's XOC team, and although we're saying it's a "versus," it's actually more of an opportunity to learn about the inner workings of AMD's Ryzen CPUs -- from stock performance to overclocking. Bill and Amit of AMD will be answering common questions, like "safe voltages," thermal design, which voltages and settings to pay attention to in BIOS, and AMD EXPO. We'll also learn how extreme overclocking, even with liquid nitrogen, actually informs the design and engineering processes at AMD for its Ryzen CPUs. We will be using an AMD Ryzen 9 7950X for all of this. AMD is not sponsoring this stream nor is it financially engaged with GN in any capacity.
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Host: Steve Burke
Video: Andrew Coleman
Guests: Bill Alverson & Amit Mehra of AMD's XOC Team - Hry
🤲"Thanks, Steve." 👐
Thanks to Bill and Amit too.
Amit smiled for 95% of the video, dude loves his job!
He makes up for the lack of smiles of his co worker .. 😅
I was about to comment that he has a great smile
GN had had Nvidia Intel and amd all send representatives.
Kinda cool 😎
And all engineers of one aspect or another!
i am not an oc-guy but i enjoyed the whole 3,5 hours very much. It's a pleasure to listen to and watch expert enthusiasts do what they love doing.
Enjoyed it very much. Big thanks to all the people involved with making this happen!
AMD team is great. Great content Steve!
I love how Steve and GN in general are impartial to the RGB wars. Overclocking party with AMD one day, the nVidia tech showdown the other day, Intel getting praised for GPUs and next being slammed and 'WTFked' for the keynoste BS show.
Keep it up! ❤🍻
credit is given where applicable and rants aren't excluded.
the whole GN Experience is awesome ;)
Thanks Steve, back to you Steve.
As they should be, those wars are for children
What are the rgb wars?
I never heard that term before.
@@rolux4853 if you consider AMD, Nvidia, Intel 😉
@ラテちゃん well yeah, you can get people to buy the same game 3 times that way. bc there is a huge part of the pokemon community that buys each game each generation. Its the same game. They could just as easily release the game with all of the pokemon from that generation on it, but instead they take 10 pokemon and make them exclusive to one game and 10 to the other and tada. instead of 150 pokemon total, its 140 in each game. stupid.
Such an amazing stream, thank you Bill & Amit for taking the time & having the enthusiasm to do this stuff for the community! :)
Man I remember chasing clock speeds just to test bench results back in 2005-2006. Got to 5.2ghz on a PD940 on a custom chilled water loop. Then I started playing games on it lol, have not done an over clock since, actually havent built a custom PC since then.
I'm sure Lisa will be looking forward to those tshirt requests.
Hey, you won🙃🙃🙃
@Alphabet mine got removed too, yet the scam comments are still there.
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I have that exact same monitor.
If you're thinking about going curved panel, just remember, after your brain adjusts, you'll see flat panels almost convex looking!
Yeah it's a year later IDGAF!😂
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So, in theory, you could just pick a CPU temperature and have the temp sensor fixed to an LN valve that fed in a variable amount of LN to keep your die at that arbitrary temp.
Check out the EVGA roboclocker
G'day Steve, Bill, Amit & Andrew,
Thanks for a really fun stream guys, Awesome work Andrew you have not lost your Streaming Skill staying 'Focused' while keeping up with everything going on 😍👍
"Why Do you do it?" I like Bearded Hardware Joe's answer "It's like CPU Top Fuel Drag Racing"
i love seeing AMD has guys coming in this spaces and showing they are just dudes who love PC Hardware. I dont think Ive ever seen Intel do anything remotely similar. Kudos to AMD. You can easily tel these to gentlemen from AMD felt at home with Steven and they just got along as if they were as if theyve been good friends for years. It speaks to so many things about the three guys themselves and again, AMD as a company happily getting dirty and having fun with their customers.
Spread spectrum is also useful in audio engineering aplications to prevent noise from the frequency peaks impacting the soundscape. Often depends on how good the isolation/filtering is on various parts of the power delivery setup for each device is but I have certainly encountered a noticable reduction in undesirable noise in some scenarios when enabling it.
Great video with tons of useful information. Fantastic content there Steve! Keep it up!
Nice stream thanks for the information.
One day we will be able to say our clock speed is over 9 thousand.
Maybe in 3 or 4 years
Reminds me of the fact that Intel years back thought they would be at 10 GHz by around 2019 or so. Makes you winder if even 7 GHz out of the box on standard after market cooling will ever be possible on TSMC or Intel silicon one day...
I've just built a PC with a 7950X on an Asus ROG Crosshair X670E Gene motherboard and then came across this video, how fun to watch the hardware pushed to crazy limits!
8:46 It's a Mc DLT reference. Never thought I'd see the day.
Amazing content. Can't wait for #RipJay series.
This is so cool to watch. Lots of info exchanged but at the same time it is interesting to watch at every instant
great stream, thanks for doing this. Suggestion for future OC streams, the current best freq and CB score to be put as notification on the stream, just like you have the discount offer on the stream.
I really don't understand that goal of cooler compatibility. It's an entire new platform, new socket, from PGA to LGA of course people would expect new cooler mounts.
The compromise of keeping z-height is the giant thicc-boi IHS, and you really still aren't fully cooler compatible if the cooler uses it's own backplate anyway!
The consequence of the thicc-boi IHS is much higher thermals, which are evidently a real issue. So was keeping "cooler compatibility" really worth it?
Exactly! Plus the cost to upgrade to AM5 is already expensive. Adding 10-30% to the cost for a better/different thermal solution compared to AM4 won’t cause anyone to bat an eye. Big oof from AMD.
@@greensleeves8095 what like Intel don't demand a new motherboard for every generation? The AM5 will last a fair few gens and Intel next gen will demand the same if not more.
@Rex Goeckeritz If the 5800X3D is anything to go by, the increased die height is fairly minimal, if any, as I believe they saved down the dies to accommodate the vcache. I don't know the technicalities of 7000's implementation though...
Unless they're planning on some crazy OP vcache sku's. It's a possibility. But it's AMD who are repeating this "cooler compatibility" line. Which is only partly true anyway.
AMD haven't changed the IHS size and z-height of their desktop CPUs since Socket 754.
I miss the Live event but here is good!
Thanks for the stream, everyone!
That was fun! Xoc is interesting stuff. Loved the teaching and coaching.
Loved the ending man...
chat mrns are just beyond public school. its amazing to witness.
Awesome video. Thank you GamersNexus for this and shoutouts to AMD as well!
How long until Derbauer designs a custom LN2 carafe?
Amazing content from this channel, going from strength to strength.
Just FYI, whether its hot oil or something like liquid nitrogen, if you spill it on clothes, you want to take off the clothes as quickly as possible, like instantly drop your pants, then have paper towels to wipe off any that's on your skin, though you can use your hands in quick swiping motions and then wipe off your hands on anything that is cloth like or, again, paper towel. Speed is key to prevent a serious burn with hot liquid or ultra cold liquid like liquid nitrogen. (I was a certified advanced First Responder when I was younger.) P.s. Liquid Nitrogen should be considered dangerous.
So are the CPUs they’re using extra binned, or do they just pull them from standard stock?
If you're a newbie and you use the chat to ask a question about what hardware to buy..... please direct your question towards the chat and not the host. The host is usually busy running the stream and they will almost never answer your question.
This specific chat is the worst place to ask a question like that.
@@crylune Because of all the low information nerds that watch the stream, or specifically those are the types that dominates the GNN live stream chats? Too bad Buildzoid at actual Hardcore Overclocking doesn't do streams like this...
Mad respect to the AMD guys.
Your videos are the best👍
I absolutely love how raw they always are. They're not over produced and never too much v-roll with crappie music. I know this was a live recording and wouldn't have all that anyway, but the point still remains. Keep the blue collar approach forever. Never follow what the other tech channels are doing make your own path, because everyone else's path sucks. Even the channels with many millions of subs.
27:18 and thanks to Andres Mundt Due in the Chat we have a good interpretation:
FKN is Few Kelvin Nexus
QUESTION:
Why not set up a LN2 drip, like an I.V.?
That way a constant supply of LN2 could be delivered to the pot and eliminate having to pour it every couple minutes.
I love this stuff even though I don't understand most of it. I'm trying to learn and grasp the concepts, so thank you GN, Steve, all the guests and the community that comtribute. Best channel for this type of content hands down.
The MAXIMUM SAFE voltage for daily use on Gen3 and Gen4 Ryzen (3000 series and 4000 series) is 1.3 Volts, and for Gen5 (7000 series) it is 1.2 Volts.
Thanks Ahmed! For looking out for the noobs
Amit*
i9.13900k using dry ice De8brauer thumped the intel to 6.5ghz -32cel Calvin
and the ryzen to 5.8ghz my Fav pc channel the rigs he makes & research interesting!
"Manufacturers make it harder to kill things these days" this is very true one or two missteps in the 80386 days and oops... Everything had to be set by jumpers expansion cards as well. Nothing was plug and play basically things have gotten 1000x easier there is no doubt about that. There is still a fair amount of skill / experience required when weird problems rear there head though.
I’m definitely happy that the price for entry has come down(both in terms of skill set and funding). When I was growing up all this tech stuff really intimidated me. I never would’ve thought I’d build my own setup.
"Thanks Steve"
This is awesome
Bills fuckin great. Really good to see him on your platform again! I hope AMD realises what they have with that guy n looks after him.
I really wonder how far you can push the new Ryzens with Icegiant cooler.
I will never put water cooling into my expensive PC and since Ryzen 7000s can boost as far as thermals are a go, I'm really intrigued.
why not watercooling? its the only way to really get what you paid for that expensive pc
So since moisture is such an issue, and North Carolina is not exactly known for low humidity, why not enclose the motherboard with a container passing cables and the pot through of course, and put a dessicant in the container with the motherboard?
I have always wondered about that... 🤔
they are indoors and have air conditioning...probably not much of an issue…
.. is this an ultra rare custom thumbscrew which is missing.. or why haven´t you just replaced it ? with the grade of thoroughness you guys usually get into things , it´s feeling odd that you might miss the impact an uneven pressure has on the cooling , especially when there´s so much preperations involved getting to start with LN 2 cooling
It was just a funny ongoing joke.
@@GamersNexus lol .. ok
Your live I can hear and see you man.
I want that shirt with altered TMNT logo lol
Thanks Steve
Thank you Poppa!
I love how bill is an extreme overclocker for amd and gets confused by a fan with a 3 way switch on it :)
Thanks Steve.
Question: if I water cool a 7950x. Will the boost clocks go higher if PBO enabled? 2-420 & 1-360 rad.
watch derbauers video
I fell asleep watching a completely different video and woke up to this
Circa, The Holy Trinity - OC-ing and contemplating the tech ethos.
Why do they do LN2 overclocking? Easy. Because they can.
Cos it's fun
Very interesting stream I really enjoyed it, but, it's curious that LTT did a stream aswell at the same time. I am wondering if there was any bank holiday in America yesterday.
Well LTT is Canadian, so I can'y see the US and them sharing a holiday.
LTT possibly just some goofing around video. Trust me Bro. Won’t even waste my time checking what LTT streamed at the same time.
I think that LTT always does the WAN show at the same time every week. I don’t usually watch it but I get the notifications every week
@@Marcelis Also the LTT hosts both suck, but Luke is by far the worst. I watched him get into an argument, and he posted charts proving the other guys point. Reality is stranger than fiction, sometimes..
@@marinipersonal I watched Luke(from LTT) get into an argument, and he posted charts proving the other guys point. Reality is stranger than fiction, sometimes..
Sound and picture is perfect... Will it run Crysis? x
Do you do a baseline Geekbench or something
Omg, this is hands down the funniest pc build video ever. Thank you for the laffs!
Just for watching this Nerd-off.....does that make me a geek or a dweeb? Lol
Youre a dork like me
@@timothyandrewnielsen I can live with that. Lol
It makes you more interesting than 99% of the normie population who listens to mumble rap
@@timothyandrewnielsen No. In my view - -- Dorks and Geeks are people that are not tech enthusiasts, and who never say anything interesting or original in their entire lives, and wear polo shirts and cargo shirts while praising the latest unjustified cop shooting.
To be clear, it's not the clothes that makes them dorks and geeks, its wearing those cloths WHILE praising murderers. Or the billionaires who pay 1% tax. Nerds are #1, then dweebs. These are good and are usually interesting people.
It's bad to be a dork or geek, because those people are not technology enthusiasts, they are simply abhorrent people who have NEVER said a single interesting or original thing in their lives.. ( FYI, I am using something similar to Hunter S Thompson's definition of geek and applying it to dork. ). Obviously this is my highly pedantic and seemingly ( but not actually ) arbitrary definitions of these words...
I've never actually watched someone do this before, and have to say I was very concerned about the blow torch
Given its CS GO, would have been nice to show some base line numbers on integrated graphics.
Handheld AMD gaming computers with integrated are already here, maybe we might get some on Meteor lake? Its going to complicate these game videos so much.
As someone new to this as a hobby, is air cooling going to be dead going forward? Between AMD's 90°-95° CPUs and Intel's 13th gen running at 250ish watts without any overclocking, isn't liquid cooling going to recommended?
Maybe, but that doesn't mean air cooling would be obsolete. AMD's cpu was designed to run at that temperature, so whether you use water or air cooling, it's still 90°. Also as technology advances, the trend has for the most part been decreasing die size and less power draw ( I think), meaning less heat as well. Plus I can't imagine Sony ever watercooling a Playstation so as long as console gaming exists, so will air cooling. AIOs are a thing too, which is like watercooling with training wheels. All methods have drawbacks.
Nah, them 250ish watts are only if you fully utilize the cpu with a heavy load like doing a render, for games the cpu wont pull that much, hecc, der8ouwer even showed that you can set a 90watt power limit and only lose 9% performance on a 13900k. so yea air cooling is still an option if you just game.
At 2:48:56 Bill was about to explain what the Memory Context Restore setting does until Steve cut him off.. 😧
Right is there a reason that when your over clocking that you don't use super hydrophobic fluids to cover the boards!!!
I'd buy a Ryzen shirt
mad, they basically added the perf of an R5 3600 via OC.
my 3600 got 9934 once...
Steve, I think a good incentivization for Intel (and it works for us, the consumer - though maybe not for you personally as you'll see) would be to VOW to cut your hair when/if Intel makes a GPU that outperforms Nvidia. Oh, and then sell your hair in the store to lessen the blow. Easy, dude.
Well it beats Nvidia in some Ray Traced benchmarks which I was really surprised with. Yes it's got very buggy drivers atm but they'll get sorted out. Personally I think they're right to have the drivers for DX12 working first and then going back down the stack of DirectX.
@@clansome No first generation will surpass companies who've been at it for decades and have decades of experience. Give them a few gens to get their GPU line straightened up and competitive, if they don't give up first that is.
@@crylune I have a 3080 & 2060 Super but I'm still going to get one if only to show support as I'm lucky enough to be able to afford it and whilst somethings are definitely wrong, an awful lot is right.
Give us a way to specify different max temps and I'm happy, I'll just turn it down to 80 and put on the best cooler I can
The feature is there. In the PBO settings. Take care!
Just go to PBO advanced and drop the 7900X/7950X limits to 165 PPT, 115 TDC and 150 EDC. Fixed.
Could you use aero gel as a cooling solution?
lol no
Lol @ bill reciting the exact expansion ratio between LN2 and gas N2.
I'd like to see some Liquid Helium Cooling
Wow i love your channel!
Makes me wonder why these guys didnt make the marketing team mention curve optimizer to be pushed for the reviewers to look into.
They could've avoided the power draw and heat talk.
100 percent agree. Is this topic discussed during the livestean? Timestamp? Ty Ty ty
Because marketing people don't understand technology and don't ask engineers what the marketing key points should be. Also Ryzen master is free, so convincing you to use it nets 0 dollars for AMD, and as a result.... marketing doesn't care about it.
2:06:44 Rheuma lässt grüßen :D
When he said Fort Collins, is he talking about Colorado?
These guys make me wanna buy another AMD rig. Love the content gentlemen
I'm also using the FKN technology
Ok, are you going to use the PC like that after it's been done
1:45:48 I can confirm that he is indeed asking the right questions
Should I upgrade I have a 3700x or just get a 5600 or 5700x
One safety concern that is rarely exposed when dealing with LN2 is apoxia. In every lab I've seen or been to which dealt with LN2, they had oxymeters in the room to warn the people that the N2 has displaced too much O2. Remember that the sensation of asphyxia is not a lack of oxygen but a build up of CO2.. so one can very much die of apoxia without even feeling anything, not even feeling out of breath.
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Did these test break the current Single core record?
so what was the max overclock data we got?
6.2
Bill is quite funny
As someone whos a complete noob to overclocking, it sounds alot like rear end foreplay.. just be prepared with plenty of TP and lube lmfao
Steve you need to do an AMD vs Intel vs Kingpin and Tin overclocking challenge. Basically get AMD's and Intel top overclocking guys on a stream combined with Kingpin and Tin.
The companies don't send these people out for sport. This is public relations. They certainly do not want to engage in direct competition where one loses.
Tin isn't with EVGA anymore.
"On AM4, a lot of folks might remember, as you get really cold like -140C..."
Me: Your definition and my definition of "a lot" are very different. By at least a magnitude of ten.
I always chuckle when they say pot
2:44:36 name of this monitor?
Very dope stream
i wanna work for you
amazing stuff you do
Amd needs to up their game on merchandising
I want those shirts
That was Nice
The big pot behind them was not covered, ice was forming all the time.
4:13 I mean technically you only want the copper in the CPU and especially the substraight to be cold.
The silicon actually preferes warm temps
It’s never a bad idea to cover things in Vaseline before things get crazy 😂
Hot side Hot, Cool side Cool.
Wasn't that the McDLT slogan about a decade ago?
It's a rule I've lived my life by ever since. . .
wonderful