Drinker's Chasers - Just Shoot The Bug!
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- Morality can be a complex thing. But it doesn't always have to be. Sometimes people just want a fun escapist experience that pits good against evil, without pretentious moral grandstanding.
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God forbid we have fun in games instead of a 3 hour morality lecture
I don't really care if the people/bugs/enemies are bad or good in a game, its a piece of fiction, so this fixation of everything being politically correct is just absurd.
Having said that, isn't the end in Starship Troopers the realization that mankind can actually live with the Bugs? So this whole conversation was pretty ironic...
@@matthiasblum6555 You're thinking of Ender's Game.
@@drunkmonkgar4436 Nah, I looked up the plot, I just mixed up the ending, they controlled a mind bug, something like that. But still, would have been funny.
yeah about that....
@@matthiasblum6555 In Starship troopers the movie, its left ambiguous if the bugs are the ones who hit first but in the book, its clear that they are the "bad guys". honestly star ship troopers was never about some evil government controlling the common masses, it was a simple matter of Humans vs bugs, Rico even gets berated and gets punished for failing safety checks that would result in the death of fellow soldiers.
In the movie they capture the brainbug to study it while the book ends before they attack the bug home world again after the first failed attack. As for Enders game, i only seen the film but the bugs were never "evil", i heard the books end with them finding peace after ender leaves to save the last queen egg after he destroyed their species.
As much as I loved the character of Loki the trend that he started of "oh no you don't understand, he's not REALLY a bad guy!" needs to stop.
I remember him knifing two SHIELD agents in cold blood in the opening of Avengers.
Did I misunderstand that?
It's cliche at this point
I think it can be traced back to Wicked at least. Or Grendel by John Gardner.
Except it didn’t start with Loki.
Loki made it mainstream because of his fans are Taylor swift groupies and single wine moms that made twilight profitable.
All this nonsense traces back to one man: “Sephiroth”
Loki didnt start that. _Wicked_ did. Well, more correctly _Wide Sargasso Sea_ did; _Wicked_ popularized it.
if Last of us like scenario happens, these people will be protesting for zombie rights
That sounds like what happened in Doom: Eternal.
"Please refrain from calling them demons. They are mortally challenged."
You mean Reg Shoe! “Undead? Yes! Unperson? NO!”
The money invested by the USSR & CCP ~60 years ago to destroy Western willpower apparently was very well spent...
They will become zombies first.
Fungi rights.
Gamers are having fun?! Not on our watch! -Sony, probably
Sargon being a canon 40k villain is epic AF.
What did they do? Waaaghon of Dakka or something?
In the Grimm dark future of 40k, everyone is a villian
I keep hearing this. Can someone specify which book this 'parody' is in?
@@t.k.5844 Sarkon Aggad is now a part of 40K and is very obviously based on Sargon.
@@thefunkslamdunk9224 What's his role in 40K ? I know of the historical figure Sargon of Akkad, but not his equivalent !
You will own no game, you will not drop in a pod and you will not kill the bugs.
Robert Englund once said in an interview that there is absolutely no redeeming qualities in Freddy Krueger. He’s 100% pure evil, he knows it, and he loves the fact that he’s evil.
And I’m so glad that he said that, because one day someone’s going to try & make a movie, where he’s really a misunderstood, tragic anti-villain.
And it’s like- no. This guy is pure evil. And it’s ok that he’s pure evil. Sometimes we just need villains like that.
A line that gets me is from Four Weddings and a Funeral: ‘Did you identify with your character at all?’
‘No.’
‘Oh really why not?’
‘Because I am not a psychopathic flesh eating robot.’
Im sure they probably will try that one day. A movie just named Fred about how kids kill his dog and set him on the path he walks today.
I'd still think a twist where he was actually framed by principal or super intended would play far better and make a far more compelling story
I hope that never happens. I know Englund said that he wants to portray Krueger again for one final film, which I am kinda on board for, but I'm afraid that they're going to ruin the character. In all honesty, Freddy vs Jason was the best-case sendoff he was going to get in any scenario. I think he should find closure in that it was a versus movie that closed the chapter on his career as the character.
I recently finished watching Jujutsu Kaisen.
They have those villains, and it's such a refreshing sight.
Especially both Sukuna and Mahito.
Mahito, in particular, is basically if the Joker was younger and had superpowers.
The amount of disgusting things he has done is actually shocking.
Still baffled as to how the CGI in Starship Troopers looks better (perhaps more "real" is the correct term) than the CGI in most Marvel movies made 25 years later.
Yep! Back then we thought it was a campy B movie - now looking back it’s an absolute classic. We had it good back then !
There are a number of old movies whose "outdated" CGI has aged surprisingly well.
I guess this is what happens if you actually _care_ , have an actual plan and _don't_ call the VFX department every other day to _change everything_
When Lucas introduced the "Roger-Roger-Robots" into the Star Wars universe, I felt like he was going for that a bit. A lighter, more guilt-free tone about destroying the enemy. If Ben & Anakin were SLASHING Storm Troopers up with such flagrant, flippant ease and disregard, it wouldn't have seemed so fun & adventurous. LoL! That being said, over 654,000 Storm Troopers fell to Hon Solo's blaster in "A New Hope!" 💥💥💥 So, nevermind! Haha!
In the making of dvd extras of one of the prequels Lucas says he kept his two children at his side and consulted with them on the direction of the films because he was trying to recapture the "these films are for kids" vibe.
Depending on how seriously he took their input they had a part in how those films turn out.
But he ended up giving the Republic a slave army lol. The droids just made it easier to show the destructive abilities of the Jedi without dismembering people. It also made stuff easier with CGI
It's kinda why they always fail to understand post-apocalyptic settings and hate characters like Joel. They don't see that normal rules of morality become suspended when you're literally fighting for your own survival on the brink of extinction.
Moralities and the ability to exercise them are luxuries.
@@xv6701I disagree. Morality is not a luxury, only exercised when it is convenient, but a necessity to maintain even at your worst, not because it's easy, but because it's right. Characters like Joel may do amoral things, but we can forgive and understand them. It doesn't suddenly make the moral into the amoral or vice versa though, at least IMO.
the irony of helldivers beeing an amazing game just to have the fun killed by the despicable company called sony is.... not irony. it's just sad.
AGREE 😅😓😓
This whole account connection verification thing is a non issue and everyone will forget about it in a few months from now.
Not sure how connecting either an existing account or a throw away account is killing the fun. But, if this is a cause you're willing to fight against may I suggest some universities across North America that would like more recruits.
@@synnical77 Tell that to players from over 60 countries, who will not be able to play the game they paid for soon, because they have no access to PSN.
@@cinemapigeon4898 There are countries like the UK and Ireland that require your personal information in order to make a PSN account. Also out of 195 countries that Helldivers 2 was sold across only 69 of them have PSN access.
So a ton of people are simply not going to have access to the game anymore, and others simply wont because they do not want to give their personal information to a company notorious for data breaches.
Though you are correct, people will forget about it in a few months when the game is dead due to this and inevitably gets shut down due to inability to be sustained from lack of players. Completely ruining the entire point of Sony trying to use the Helldivers 2 PC playerbase to try to prop up PSN numbers after the Stellar Blade and Tsukihime fiascos.
The Covenant in Halo is an interesting one. They originally start as an existential threat that unites humanity against a common foe. Then, in Halo 2, they splinter as the veil is lifted as to what the Covenant truly is, and the Elites ally with the Humans to defeat them.
That made for a great aspect of the bad guys and an amazing story of the Bungie Halo Games, plus the Arbiter is an awesome character
And people like MovieBlob side with them because they are "diverse" lol.
@@DonVigaDeFierro yeah, I saw EFAP covering that. It's actually shocking how bro ignores the fact of all f humanity joining to face the invaders because they're more diverse.
Diverse in how diverse the Roman Empire was, basically invading and colonizing others.
Wtf Cinema Roberto.
One of the best aspects of Paul Verhoven's action movies is how even if you strip all the political aspects youre still left with an amazing action movie you can have fun watching. Thats what makes movies like Starship so memorable, and it was very well replicated in Helldivers.
Exactly. It works on more than one level at exactly the same time.
Except Verhoeven didn't realize that when he changed the story so much, he just made humans more likable.
@@Rotom0479 Make me think of how woke Hollywood wrote Homelander of The Boys in the tv show expecting him to be hated and he ended the most popular character. Always funny.
He's accidentally good, like Alan Moore. Mofo HATES how Rorschach is everyone's favorite hero, when he had written him to be a parody of some other writer he hated (because politics)
@@denkerbosu3551 The other writer, FTWDK, is actually Steve Ditko, co-creator of Spider-Man and Doctor Strange. Rorschach in particular is based on the Question, with hints of Mr. A (another Ditko character).
Out: eating bugs
In: shooting bugs
Speaking of talking things out with the Borg. Remember that the Borg explicitly say in(I think) Best Of Both Worlds "We only wish to raise the quality of life for all" and look at the cost.
The best of both worlds part 1 when captain Picard is brought before the Borg the conversation is terrifying
The Borg are effectively evil by virtue of being extremist "saviors". From _their_ point of view they're doing you a favor. In fact they are so sure about doing you a favor that they won't even _ask_ for your consent.
Space communism; when the space zombies are a hive mind.
Starship Troopers had moral complexity. The bugs are always shown from the human perspective, demonized etc, although one would wonder if it's simply an alien race that would've minded its own business had humans not discovered it, and immediately considered to be an enemy, even if only because of the way they look. Either way, the game is a blast, as was the movie. One of my all time favs, I remember watching it in the theatres when I was 17, it was GLORIOUS.
No it really didn't. That was a director's choice. Source material clearly states the bugs attacked first and are completely hostile to all life.
@@Kspice9000 I'm strictly talking about the movie, not the novel.
@@Kspice9000 I read the book and watched the movie and they have very little in common. Don't play the gotcha game, it's rude as hell.
@@Kspice9000 Well the book bugs are also more technologically advanced.
@@Kspice9000 Vernhoven also says the bugs attacked first so...
Had this playing in the background, the whiplash I had when I heard that cheeky Lotus Eater 😂
Would love to see Drinker, Carl and Dank doing a drunk watch party one day
It wasn't drunk (I think), but they had both Drinker and Sargon in the latest episode of the EFAP war/history movie saga and it was one of their best so far imo.
Which podcast is this from?
As for the ST reference, there is the DS9 episode where they find an infant Jem'Hadar - a genetically engineered race of super-soldiers, who matures like in a week.
SPOILER:
The crew have to send the kid to the Dominion, where he originated, because the race is "evil" - they are bred to kill. And die.
90s Trek was optimistic, but it wasn't delusional. Sometimes evil is just evil.
The child was very aggressive and hostile to (almost) everyone. The crew had no idea what to do with him and the child finally insisted that he wanted to go to his people. But I'm still not sure if I were to call the Jem'Hadar evil. Yes, they're bred for combat and are religious fanatics, but the show also shows them having positive traits.
@@RabbitShirak They are far from being mindless bio-drones, but effectively everything is stacked against them breaking out of their intended role.
They are genetically engineered to be soldiers, are raised to whorship their overlords as gods, and just to make sure they don't get any funny ideas their genetic engineering also causes their body to not produce a vital enzyme which only their benevolent gods can provide.
Sad how Sony bungled it up
Yep, its joever
Just Sony being Sony.
It definitely sucks but I think the response is disproportionate. The game is mainstream so the backlash is mainstream too. Steam player numbers haven't dropped by any substantial amount despite the current drama. So I'm not saying it's all just fine, but I saw one person say that this was a violation of human rights... like come on, some people need to find more important things to worry about. I wonder how many of the people complaining actually played the game.
Give it a month...anyone not in the know or apathetic to it will receive a shock when they're forced into a PSN account.
@crazymcgee3604 and that is when the REAL backlash begins. This right now...this is but a taste.
How are we supposed to eat ze bugs if we aren't allowed to kill them?
The bugs are food for our ships, not us,
No wonder the EU wants the citizens to consume crickets and other bugs
You only kill them if you are going to eat them!
'starship troopers' is a great novel. so is 'old mans war' which is partially derived from it.
The reason people are enjoying helldivers is the same reason everyone loves 40k. We know there are no "good guys" in the setting. Everything is over the top so far that for 95% of it parallels between the IP and the real world can't actually be drawn. It's fun because it's pure escapism where it's more fun to just commit to the bit 100% and enjoy the ride rather than feel the need to pick everything apart.
Except 40k now trying to make women be Super Marines
@@Based_Comment and now we have Soyny intruding in the PC players' space. OP's point stands.
I would side witht he side that's protecting humanity.
I'm tired of the "Humanity bad" stories, so making everyone villanous to a degree makes meside with Manking in 40K and Super earth in HD2.
To be fair, those mercenaries at the beginning of Deadpool WERE working for a company that lies to people, gets them to sign their lives away to them and tortures them to mutate their bodies and then to brainwash them to be mindless killing machines...whether or not they knew about the details there is anyone's guess. But they were fighting for the benefit of the bad guy. Hence, later Deadpool offered them a chance to surrender and receive...possibly lover-like treatment...
Yeah, but the audience doesn't know that at this point, so you need to kind of take it on faith that Wade isn't the greater evil here. I think it's fair to assume that though given it's a comic book movie, I don't really see Sargons issue.
"Kill them all!" vs "All hail our insect overlords"
game will be dying next.
7:56 And then you have Deadpool 2 where Domino kills her whole team a whole pile of innocent civilians by draining their luck thus causing fatal accidents.
That's how her power works. She's not "lucky" she drains everyone else's luck to make herself lucky. All those people are dead because of her.
The proper Domino has powers similar to those of Bink in the Xanth novels. Neither can consciously control it, but reality arranges itself for their benefit whenever they are threatened.
I didn’t like the movie version…
Well, that's not in the movie
I never knew that but that’s kinda funny
@@CMCAdvancedyes, I do know. I supposed that it was convenience sake, but wasn’t keen on it.
@@CMCAdvanced Wait but it kinda does? Everyone on the team died except her! And when Domino left Deadpool after seeing Juggernaut he got ripped in half
It's true that every villian is the hero of their own story. It's also true that villians still exist.
Makes me think of all the "there's no such thing as an evil race" arguments in Dungeons and Dragons. I actually think evil races are a good thing--not just because you can defeat them and become a hero and all, and they enrich the culture and nature of the world, but because they allow people who might be squeamish about killing sentient creatures to say, "Okay, these aren't human, and they're universally bad, so we can kill them with impunity. This is not the same as real life."
The awesomeness of being a hero comes from defeating evil creatures. And in a world so wracked with evil, there's something cathartic in being able to squash evil and make the world better, even if only in fantasy.
Far too many idiotic moralizers have been rewriting rule books. I can applaud their drive when it comes to trying to make the real world a better place, even if I sometimes disagree with them, but they should keep their puritanical beliefs away from escapist fiction. It's supposed to be entertainment and people who have an ideological stick up their butt don't understand the meaning of fun.
Egg-f*@king-zactly!!! 👏👏👏👏👏
Not to mention the people claiming not to be racist are the ones equating the inhuman species like goblins, orcs and trolls you see in D&D with humans irl.
They all point at Drizzt like he rewrites the entire canon, but don’t understand that Drizzt being a neutral good Drow is interesting because it’s such a radical exception to the rule.
Now literal devils and demons don’t have evil morality, which goes so hard against the canon, since it’s impossible for them to remain a devil or demon if they are not evil. When that happens, they become completely different creatures entirely.
Modern D&D sucks so hard
@@timparks9833 Drow are my favorite evil race (gestures to three Drow and one half-Drow PCs)! The lore is so fascinating, with lots of fodder for backstories. Each of my characters has been influenced by Drow culture in different ways, for better or worse. I haven't read the books yet, but what I think makes Drizzt compelling is that, first, like you said, he's the underdog, the one good guy in a society full of bad guys. He has to find a way to be good in a place where good simply cannot survive--which entails not redeeming the Drow, but leaving a ruthless and toxic world. He can't save them, only himself. Second, he has to fight not only his own people, his own FAMILY, but also his upbringing, his nurture. He has to unlearn everything Drow culture taught him and LEARN how to be good. Which entails struggle and sacrifice and work. And that's such a compelling and (ironically) nuanced story!
I wouldn't mind the kind of "do you _really_ understand where the 'bad guys' are coming from" mentality if people who tried to apply it would actually follow through. There's always someone they regard as irredeemable; always somewhere where they'd sooner force their own morality than try to understand the prevailing one. It often seems like they merely want to keep the choice as to _where_ to apply the "judge, jury, and executioner" power for themselves, displaying a really hypocritical contempt for the morality _and_ intelligence of anyone who dares not see eye-to-eye.
From what I've seen, most the reaction by the playerbase to Helldiver 2's 'politics' has been to play along. Not taking is seriously, just effectively RPing it out.
Yes, yes, very good, very good indeed. A Drinker review of *_Gangs of London_* would still be something to see!
Sargon! Holy shit!
If monsters didn't exist then we'd have to invent them
My entire book series (Exopreneurs) is based on humans dealing with Insectoids, and the nuances and cultural clashes and trying put human morals onto bugs-and even in that series, there are bugs you just gotta squash. Some species are outright murder machines.
"Your" book series? Yeah right, prove you wrote it
@@remuslazar2033 lol
I'm writing a serial called Space Ants, some parts are up on my channel if you'd be interested.
Carl!
That scenario ya'll were talking about actually happened in Frieren. Demons are these absolutely pure evil monsters and one guy in a village ended up taking a demon girl in talking about giving her a chance or whatever and she slaughtered the whole village. There were also a couple of other examples, but I don't care enough to remember exactly. You also had a bunch of idiots raging about that. Oddly and thankfully enough though, no one has a problem with Goblin Slayer's goblin genocide. Probably because episode 1 filtered a lot of those people.
Honestly, I've always despised this "villains need to be morally gray/sympathetic/relatable/etc. to be good and pure evil villains/races are bad/boring" mentality and I've been seeing it since the mid-late 2000s. It feels good seeing so many other people finally grow sick of this garbage and push back against it.
She didn't slaughter the whole village she killed the chief to give his daughter to the mother of the girl she ate
@@BreakingPuppet7 My bad.
@@s3studios597 hahha you didn't have to reply it was a drunk comment but amazing anime I'm on the second half right now
@@BreakingPuppet7 I fell off around ep.10-ish. It was okay, but not all that interesting to me and I can't understand the insane hype behind it.
I think it's worth noting that a consistent theme in the humor of the game is that Super Earth is the cause of all its own problems.
But it's more of a joke than a subject for a morality lecture.
Loved how in The Last Wish, they lampshaded the idea that that Jack Horner was a misunderstood villain with a secret heart of gold only later to reveal that, no, he’s just an irredeemable monster
For Democracy!
4:35 SOYLENT GREEN IS PEOPLE!
When Earth tries to understand the aliens you get Mars Attacks!
Fucking great movie, just watched it again recently and laughed my ass off.
The "sympathetic villain" trope in the mcu got old really quick. That's why people were loving the green goblin return in no way home. It was like a breath of fresh air.
If I’m playing a video game or watching a movie, I’m usually doing it to be entertained and escape from the real world. I’m not looking to be lectured about how I’m an awful person.
Beep boop bop
I miss unapologetic villans
God. Same. I just want to see another irredeemable bastard again 😂
On the other hand, if you want to fight an endless stream of alien bugs with all kinds of weapons, there's still _Earth Defense Force..._
If you want to experience angst about killing all the bugs, go read the Ender series by Orson Scott Card.
Can't tell you how many times I tried and failed to negotiate a peaceful settlement with Space Invaders.
Starship Troopers is the best movie of all time.
War
Love
Romance
Death
Compassion
Starship Troopers teaching us how to deal with fanatical invaders since the late nineties😂
The point was that the humans were the fanatical invaders but the fascist society cannot allow that narrative to exist. "Some say the bugs were provoked by the intrusion of humans into their natural habitat..." Carl Benjamin is on the same intellectual level as Johnny Rico.
@@robertpaterson5477 It is implied in the Verhoeven movie that humans were the invading species. In the original books Heinlein is a bit more vague about it but many believe he basically had an `expansion` ideology which in the USA is called the `frontier myth` but the Nazi`s named `lebensraum`, weaker races/creatures/cultures have to be removed to make room for the stronger one. There is a reason Heinlein did not like the movie adaptation.
@@caesarjergens I didn't realize that Heinlein was still alive when the movie was released. I am a big fan of both the film and the book but like Verhoeven I reject the book's politics....wait I just looked it up. Heinlein died in 1988. Maybe his widow didn't like the movie.
@@robertpaterson5477 Damn I should have looked it up myself. I recall reading him not liking the movie but I can't find any info on it. Verhoeven apparently never finished the book and only took some aspects of it to make an `anti war` movie. Apologies!
@@caesarjergens I'm sure if Heinlein had seen it he would've hated it
bUT DiVerSItY!!!!
Surprised nobody mentioned Ender’s Game during all of this. The sequels deliberately tried to make the Bugs more sympathetic.
"My disgust for those who reduce a work to its ideas. My revulsion at being dragged into what they call “discussions of ideas.” My despair at this era befogged with ideas and indifferent to works."
Milan Kundera, The Art of the Novel
It looks like Grummz is constantly starting into my soul
I poke an ant hole with a stick, one of them bites me, i get a hose and solve an existential crises.
I want to enjoy an escapism game, too. 🎉
I was thinking about the Alien prequel films this morning (Prometheus & Covenant) and how David's character was pure evil. His was an exploration of amoral, pure evil and I actually despair that the prequel trilogy was never rounded out. I think an effort to stop David - leading into the original films would have been brilliant. It would have salvaged the series.
"They are desperate to introduce moral complexity here." It's about feeling morally superior to everyone else.
In the book human telepaths communicated telepathically with Bug brains to propose some sort of treaty and accommodation but the Bugs being truly alien had no idea what we were talking about. Both our species live on the same earth type oxygen atmosphere, liquid water planets, therefore to them the only rational course is that one species has to exterminate the other and take all the real estate, so therefore we must be crazy. The philosophical question is if something like the Bugs has no idea of good and evil are they evil or like a tsunami or fire are not morally “bad” but just “bad for us”?
Deadpool deleted countless mercenaries in the first movie, except for one guy who he knew showcasing the nature of unaliving faceless men.
Hydra Bob!
Dark Horse comics Aliens Nightmare Asylum, fantastic stuff
“A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.” - Alexander Tytler, 1787
It's part of the downfall of the West.
To Grummz, I really like the painting behind your avatar of the woman reclining in a chair with her feet up. What is this from? Is it possible to get this picture from you or from somewhere? I appreciate any help.
So great to have Sargon on the conversation. He’s one of my favorite You-tubers!
"But every single one of these people is absolutely convicted of something monsterous."
"As of February 2nd, 2024, the Innocence Database maintained by the Death Penalty Information Center shows 196 exonerations of prisoners on death row in the United States since 1973."
Yes, people on death row have not only been found innocent, they would later go on to catch someone else who was the actual person who committed the crime.
Yeah that Carl Benjamin showed us in real time he has no perception of nuances, that wasn't a great look. That's not a factor in videogames, but in real life that's the hallmark of an absolute fool. These kind of people drag you into foreign wars when they're in power, luckily he isn't a politician. We already have enough of these.
What next, someone suggests to Vader that he returns to Tatooine to visit his mothers’ grave, and lo behold . . .
nice of the drinker to let an applebee's employee give their blue collar take
For managed democracy!
I think the point of Helldivers was that you can learn of the fact that Humanity is the invading force for both the AI and insect home-worlds and still continue playing the game anyway. It's a satire on Human expansionism that has often used ideals like bringing civilisation or freedom as a guise for taking over territories and resources. Some people are into that.
There's a reason RPGs offer you the alternative of being evil. You can have fun being evil, especially in a video game, as long as you understand that this what the games are made for, and you don't mistake it for a training ground on how to be an asshole IRL.
When people were playing Counter-Strike and being put on the Terrorist team, you didn't see anyone growing a conscience and running out out in front of the CTs to intentionally die and make the bomb drop somewhere where they could guard it. You blew up the objective. Hell, I remember people killing the hostages for fun on the other maps.
With how many generations of kids grew up playing that, you'd think there'd be bombs going off every other week....
Hell, in Half-Life you end up killing a bunch of soldiers who, by all intents, were just doing their jobs and following orders and you're supposed to be the "good guy" in it.
And while the Alien franchise is pretty clear-cut on the Xenomorphs being dangerous antagonists, even in Starship Troopers there is a suggestion of the Arachnids not actually being invaders but rather defenders, with the Federation using their existence as a means to provide unity for Humanity (during the parody presentations at the start of the movie, Klendathu is shown to be on the other side of the galaxy, with ships having to hyper-jump to get there, requiring that the asteroid which is encountered by Carmen and Zander and which later destroys Buenos Aires be launched potentially billions of years in advance with some insane calculations in order to slowly make its way across to strike Earth. Meaning it was far more likely the asteroid was put on course by the Federation, which was willing to sacrifice some of its citizens if it meant uniting the rest of them).
Oh shit, he got Grumz on!
Recently Disney announced that the Chosen would be streaming on Disney plus and it got me thinking what if Disney made that show. The first thing I thought was they’d try to humanize Judas and the Pharisees and make them misunderstood and say they weren’t totally evil. Other things I came up with is they’d definitely put the focus on Mary Magdalene and make her a girl boss who puts the Pharisees and apostles in their place and constantly upstages the apostles. They wouldn’t make her learn the important lessons the apostles learned and say she was the reason that Christianity spread across the Roman Empire and to other parts of the world instead of Paul and the Apostles. Israel would also be unrealistically diverse. It would look like Los Angelos and the Israelites and Roman soldiers would be comprised of every race. They also wouldn’t portray any of Jesus’s miracles and would just have the other characters tell us that Jesus can do miracles.
I don't remember the spaceship asking the asteroids a goddamned thing! Pew pew pew!
Looks like vector graphics are back on our menu, boys!
Let's see you spin that one into something political.
The lack of actual villains in so many current stories is really annoying.
At a certain point, if you intentionally look for a message to get pissed about, you're going to find it.
"maybe Darth Vader isn't really a bad guy"
Except this is 1000% happening in current Star Wars and within the fanbase. They are legitimately saying that Anakin and Darth Vader are 2 separate people, even though Anakin straight up murdered kids and entire families *BEFORE* Darth Vader happened, even in Episode 2 when he kills the sand people
I was talking about this to my friends three days ago. Its ok to just make a villian unapologetically evil
A fireteam of Drinker, Chris Gore, Casper Van Dien, and Jake Busey would go so hard. Stream that shit!
It's funny how all this can apply to something like 40k or the original comic version of the skrulls and kree and their war in marvel, yet the same people who complain about starship troopers or now helldivers for example have zero qualms for condemning as dogwhistling something as ridiculous as playing "zee Germans" in historical tabletop games or WW2 videogames or whatever, I mean, someone has to be the bad guy for these games to work, right? What do you expect?
It's beyond reasonable to assume that a not-insignificant amount of people fight in wars not because they support the reasons for the war they're involved in but because to them it's about protecting their way of life and their families and so on. So even if it's not an existential threat a la starship troopers, why is one country invading another any different when you're the one in a series of foxholes you dug up with your neighbours where a park your kids would frequent used to be?
Furthermore, it's a bit hypocritical how progressives don't apply the same standards to something they seem to gravitate more towards like say Nintendo games or star wars for example, and that boils down to either their being tourists in spaces they know nothing about nor care for, justifying their dilution and destruction in their eyes, and/or that they apply ridiculous double standards to these that if you apply the same logic to, say, Zelda, their whole argument would collapse! What a shocker!
Always good to see sargon visit, and cheers to a great open bar, Drinker!
Dark Horse’s Alien comics were epic.
Can we just let villians be evil?
Man, I’m so drunk, I’m seeing two drinkers on screen at the same time lol
I'm not a woke person at all but i like some ambiguity in a story from time to time. I kinda like the idea that maybe insects and robots in HellDivers 2 were peaceful and just doing their things and that human just straight up started this war. Am i alone ?
It's just different tropes, there's the misunderstood alien like in "Enders Game" or the plain evil "Alien", or even the apparent good guys that turn out to be the baddies. All those concepts can be entertaining.
Agreed Nightmare Asylum is a great Aliens comic series
Sargon's Aliens reference was compiled in Dark Horse's "Aliens: Book 1 and 2". The artwork on Book 2 was leagues better than Book 1 in my opinion. Worth looking up if you are into comics.
Don't worry, there are some of us left that just want to make great games. ;)
Jingoism is good
the death row analogy wasn't a smart argument.
Some of the best satirical elements are in the loading screen as you're hell diving towards the planet
Training manual tips: Don’t die!
@@ez_w0rks dive dive again. And again and again and again lol
Two of the best examples I can think of who make for perfect evil villains are The Joker and Makorv. Both don't need motivations or backstories to tell us why they do the things that they do, only that they're serious about the chaos they bring to the world. They're simply evil and we love that.
Where can I find this full livestream?
7:56 flashbacks of Austin Powers 😂
I'm all for totally evil races, because you can still make them unique and interesting even if they are irredeemable. Take Warhammer Fantasy; you have Chaos (4 differing factions), Orcs, Goblins, Dark Elves, Chaos Dwarves, Undead & Skaven. All distinct from each other and all waiting to be brutally killed off by the good guys.
Skaven are one of the best fantasy races I've read about.
The thing is I understood the point of starship troopers. The problem is the bugs eats brains to steal information from the enemy. How is that not evil?!
If nothing else it shows the bugs are cognizant enough that they’re probably capable of communicating.
Happy May the 4th, Drinker
Surprised Carl couldn't remember his "lore" video he put out not too long ago.
Since practically all the arguments around Helldivers are lore based.
Carl does what he does and starts comparing everything to real world politics as usual and misses any real points.
So again the question is "well what about the lore?"
Would Drinker morally side with the humans that purposely infest planets with Terminids, purely to farm their resources...because super earth built its entire civilizational advancement on one thing they can only extract from one creature?
Can people ask questions about that or is it purely Carls "shut up and kill the bugs" that overrides everything.
I'm no bug enthusiast but i think there is a more nuanced argument here than "well it wants to genocide me so i'll genocide it first"...
The fun part is that Super Earth isn't even interested in eradicating them, but getting them under control to serve their purposes.
There is a word for people like this...Conscript.
One of my Top 5 sci-fy movies !! Yet if you pay attention in the High School scenes & towards the end they give "THE MESSAGE" or the very start of it at least it's in there . But I enjoy the movie regardless !!
I, for one, welcome our insectoid overlords.
The movie makes it clear that humanity were the ones to go into the bugs territory.
Whe i saw the thumbnail, at first I thought it was a "Starship Troopers" review.