Does Affirmative Action Hurt Asian Americans?
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- The Department of Justice is currently investigating admissions policies at Harvard to see whether they discriminate against Asian-Americans.
The Asian-American Coalition for Education is arguing that affirmative action hurts Asian students' chance at getting into Ivy League schools. We spoke with the head of that coalition, a student who feels being Asian hurt his college application, and an NAACP Legal Defense Fund lawyer to try and settle the debate.
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And they make fun of Asians for studying their asses off.
hunterkiller1440 our parents came to America to avoid famine and for our better lives and they are pissing on us is what I am hearing.
@S W employers care about knowledgable people, that's all
American universities are disgusting pieces of prideful shet. Come to Canada:).
In Canada we just base your GPA :)))) and large percentage of post secondary students are minorities and that tells a lot.
Bold of you to assume other races don't, the reason is simple
Asians are just smart ,no offense ,but it's a fact
"schools are majority white" lady... the USA is majority white.....
Andrew Lee thank you Andrew lee this is just another excuse for white people to get mad things are getting even
derek zhou your not understanding if black people are not making up even 10 percent of these schools how is this a problem most blacks don’t wanna go to Harvard or any prestigious school we can’t afford it lol
derek zhou but what does this have to do with black people we do not make the rules lol that’s what none of you are understanding
😂
Andrew Lee that’s racist
As an Asian, I feel very underrepresented in the NFL and NBA.
If you are truly capable in football or basketball they don't look away regardless of your race. If you are truly capable while black or hispanic, employers are prone to looking the other way. This is a well-known phenomena where black sounding names don't get the call back, even while equally qualified.
@@LuvThyMind29 but why are you afraid of competition? The only thing asian are asking is let the derserve one get in instead of the reserve one. Let have a fair competition instead of reserving?
@@wrathoflichking9603 I'm at UCLA in STEM right now so this isn't about me. I'm only here because I went to all white schools growing up.
Black schools receive $23 billion less in funding per year than white schools so this isn't about a little competition. They are *prevented from ever being competitive*. This was intentional on the part of the whites who fear blacks ever rising to their level. And upon "freeing" blacks, they never made amendments to improve conditions for blacks.
You're foolish in fighting for 1% or so in your favor. If you go after anyone, go after those that get in by name or money. But frankly, the asian students that did not get into the schools simply WERE NOT QUALIFIED.
GPA/SAT alone do not indicate one's capacity to make meaningful change in the world and to think up novel solutions to problems in the field. They simply figured a way to get through the education system. These students with a mere high GPA probably received lackluster letters from teachers and counselors who couldn't even remember them - the quiet student that did the work but was unremarkable in every way.
@@LuvThyMind29 how are they not qualified.. The only reason is because they are asian and they don't want them...meritocracy is the best and fair... If they are the deserve one, let them dominate the class
@@wrathoflichking9603 Again, and I already stated this, having nothing beyond a decent GPA and SAT is not remarkable in any form. They need to have interacted with and made an impact on their community, needed to have developed strong relationships with their teachers and school counselors and needed to have actually impressed them, needed to have been well-rounded and skilled in a multitude of ways. Ivy league students are typically involved in a wide range of activities, from music to chess to sports to robot design to research and even publishing papers. If you want to get into an Ivy league, you need to be remarkable and you need to be well rounded. Simply being able to go through the motions of school is NOT promising.
You forget about the 20-30% of asians that make up these Ivy leagues. These are the asians that were obviously qualified and well-rounded enough. This clearly is not discrimination. If it were truly discrimination, you'd see much lower percentages of asians. This is why they lost. They were off base in claiming racism and discrimination. If they wanted to have improved their chances, they should have attacked those that paid their way into the school.
Companies are not allowed to discriminate after race. How can colleges and universities do that!
Coimpanies have bottom lines to think about for their survival. They do not get US taxpayers funding. They have to answer to their investors. If they based their hring not on merit or hiring the right people will talent the company would not flourish. The company will fold up quickly. Colleges would not have that kinds of predicaments. Some schools administratora got their position based on ethnicity.
@@alegriart Look at how Microsoft started history gy Gates and other original partners.
They aren't allowed to but they HAVE BEEN discriminating against blacks to this day. If the applicants name sounds too black, they are known to toss it without looking at the credentials.
@@LuvThyMind29 You act like this is ONLY a black problem. Deal with it. Be better. Fix yourself first before you try to fix anyone else.
@@progenitusofalara6193 Affirmative action is already here buddy. As you are the one upset about it, it would be more appropriate to suggest that you learn to "deal with it"
Good luck "fixing" your race by the way.
They talk about how racism is bad, then how come they still judge you based on race
Alex Lu
Because racism that favors blacks is ok.
The reason is the population count. Not intelligence. It would not be fair without Affirmative active.
Facts in truth are: Affirmative action has helped WHITE women more than ANY group across the board !!! This is why, Education is truly key as clearly you are clueless ! 🤔 #IntelligenceReallyTrulyMatters
Before Affirmative action whites paid their way through Harvard. The same might hold true when Affirmative action is gone. Have you seen some of the grades before Affirmative action at Harvard.
The guy pushing this is not Asian. He also have a movement to get rid of some of the voters rights.
Stop looking at race,, just pick the smartest students.
A lot of people are saying they should remove affirmative action and accept people only by their qualifications, I hope people understand that if this should be done, the student population will drop from 58.2% white to about 12% white, Affirmative action also exists to make sure an equal amount of women are enrolled, if it should be removed the student body would be 75% women, I am not making this up the data is there. Affirmative action also exists to ensure that an equal amount of men are enrolled. Men are not the smartest people on this planet and white man surely are no, Y'all need to do some research.
@@trustnoone3285 Sources or what youre saying is garbage, like your opinion :p haha
Lmao? Why do you feel the need to lie, @Trust no one? We can just look at California, before and after Proposition 209, which banned Affirmative Action. After Prop 209 passed, black and latino enrollment DROPPED to single digits, while Asians gained the most seats (about 10-15%). White people's enrollment went UP by about 5-8%, not dropped. Also, just because race is banned in academic admissions, doesn't mean women will somehow become a 3/4th majority. Will you see an increase in Asian women? Yes, because they are discriminated by Affirmative Action. But you'll also see an increase in Asian MEN, because they too suffer from a ridiculous point penalty in enrollment, for being Asian.
Chris Pacman
Let's make things fair first then we can determine whether or not if the competition is fair. Are black students getting the same level of foundational education most asians get?
Yes, blacks are entitled to a K-12 education as mandated by law. Now, are they taking full advantage of that? Are their parents supportive and involved in their education to where they can succeed? Do you see most black students spending their free time in libraries, or are they pursuing other, non-educational activities, i.e. sports, that could better be spent on getting better grades and building knowledge instead. //If they weren't getting the same foundation, excluding college athletes whose admissions are not related to grades (the majority of whom squander their free ride going for low-tier majors so as to focus more on practice anyways, doesn't help after the "bombshell" ESPN's report that some college athletes couldn't even read/write past a 3rd grade level), they wouldn't have a presence in college at all, but we can see that some do, and its those black students in particular that realize the importance of education/college.
Tries to fight racism by being racist. Maximum irony.
Also where do I sign up? I don't play my race card often but when I do it's a lawsuit.
Your Neighbour speaking of your picture , 25 percent of all white students at Ivy League schools are Jewish. Jewish people make up 2 percent of the population. They are way over represented but saying anything about that would be antisemitic
Good
@@vinsoriano493 Yeah because you're implying they have some sort of advantage based on being Jewish. And the guy with the profile pic is not discreet about anti semitism. It's not really one of those cases where you can hide your anti semitism and racism to normies, it's easily pointed out. Sorry
@@vinsoriano493 And Jews always have excellent SAT scores. Far higher than the non jews. Im not Jews. But that is FACTS
@@vinsoriano493 jews are smarter than other races..as an Indian i know its very tough to compete with jews and Chinese.
Why don't we have affirmitive action in basketball and football;We can have Eugene Chang playing in place of Lebron and David Kim instead of Tom Brady!
We LET Jeremy Lin playing in the NBA. Oh wait, he earned it.
because we dont need it in basketball and football you idiot
@Vick H yes because of the past history of discrimination in the usa
@@mike112693 oh wow i suppose asian never face discrimination in america. thank god.
@@mrmzr-ek9hs for african americans it was slavery as well
Affirmative action hurts America as a whole. I want my doctors to have a 4.7 gpa and a perfect Sat score. I don't care what color you are. Quality matters. We want our scientists to be the best of the best. May the best man or woman win. Not by color or creed.
Bbshiam Bbshiam The scale doesn't go to 4.7 scale in medical school. It stops at 4.0
Trey Jones talking about high school entering college and of course I want my doctors to always be the 1% of every graduating class. I don't need Caribbean doctors.
In high school, there's such a thing as weighed and unweighed GPAs. Weighed GPAs stop at 4.0, unweighed goes above a 4.0 if you take AP (advanced placement classes). When I graduated high school, I had a 4.125 unweighed GPA and a 3.9-something weighed GPA (got at most 2 b's in my entire hs career if i remember correctly) . Yes, I am Vietnamese-American, and no, I didn't even bother applying to any Ivy/private schools b/c i knew my stats while being asian weren't competitive enough for me to get in compared to other Asian students. Went to a UC instead. Oh well. I'm assuming this kid went to a very privileged high school which had a lot of AP classes for him to take which he probably aced, therefore making his unweighed GPA a 4.7. Smart kid.
Edit: saw that you wrote "in medical school" sorry for the mis-read!
Regardless, kids like him would apply their smarts and work ethics in whatever graduate school/career they pursue. Anyone would want those kinds of people to be their physician or whatnot.
Bbshiam Bbshiam how do you know if they are in the 1%? Why would you care if they have been working in the field for 10 years what grades that they had in highschool. They really don't know that much coming out of school and most of the things that they learn will not be used in the real world. 85% of the things that they run into are just going to be routined.
Trey Jones the point is you want a doctor who has a greater brain capacity and higher intelligence to assess your ailment. This isn't flipping burgers or laying brick. This is a practice where you're learning, retaining,assessing and then applying a science on a daily basis until you're retired. You can't do that with a low iq or the inability to do all these things efficiently. I'm Asian. I could've gone to medical school in the islands and take my license 100 times till I passed. I wouldn't want me to be my own doctor and I'm sure you wouldn't want me either because I wouldn't be a good doctor.
3:46 "Universities are not using racial quotas" "They are using wholistic admissions policies that allows some consideration of race"
Are these 2 phrases contradictive to each other ?
double speak double standards just the usual progressive drivel
she just paraphrased it to make it sound less racist but it still is
I don't think they are contradictory. Quota is more like: "We must have X number of Y race" whereas wholistic policy is that race is just one piece of a large puzzle. For example, a leadership quota may be "30% of the admitted students must have been president of some high school club" whereas a wholistic policy that considers leadership means that leadership activity is just one of many things that the admissions committee considers, and that there is no quota of how many students should have been president.
the context is the same.. but in technical terms they are different... they are not using quotas mean that there is no ceiling for one race to be admitted... however the term consideration for ones race means that despite being a C-Level student, as long as youre " racially under-represented" then you will still get a spot over A-Level White Male, A-Level Asian male.. etc etc..
its basically rephrasing: "If youre black, you get an undeserved spot; If youre a White Male, youre out"
I call it, academic racial profiling. lmao
Stop saying Asians are 'over-represented'! Whoever has the best grades and has won the most national championships deserves a seat at the table. No one deserves to be pushed out just because there are more people who look like you in the competition.
But how comes Asians are so smart,does it have to do with biology or hardwork 😂,
@@honeyabdurahman2412 Its about the culture, toxic or not, the majority of asian households have a very high regard for education. If your parents, other family members, and culture is forcing you to over perform in school then you have no choice. You’re raised that way and thats the standard. (I haven’t done any research on this so I may be wrong.) But put any person of any race in the same toxic culture as many asian cultures and you’ll most likely get the same result. An over performing student.
@@dxrkwolfx5583 I second this, it's all about the culture. Second and third gen immigrant really start dropping off due to their more American culture. First and some second gen immigrant do great due to their more traditional culture
@@dxrkwolfx5583 we can’t deny it.East Asians have generally the highest iq.it’s biology.but I agree,colleges and universities should not be discussing race when thinking which student to accept.just choose the smartest students.
@@honeyabdurahman2412 it's cultural, look at how well Singapore is doing. East Asian countries have done exceptionally well after industrialization, like Japans early industrialization and Koreas rapid industrialization
Affirmative action is NOT needed, we need a meritocracy
Not possible when some individuals have a better chance at attaining merit than others.
@@lefthanded5473 .. that's the point of a meritocracy?
Dont woosh me if it was a joke
You are going to fight hard to undo the works for the Civil Rights Movement dr. King but the problem is you may be better at math but we're better at politics.
@@Kvs6263 😂 that wooshing is shit really😂
@T J Maybe so but why should the kid born in Beverly Hills bear the punishment. The government should increase funding of the education institutions that are not receiving enough, in the “shit neighborhood.”
This is dumb. Just look at Leadership points, GPA, and other things. Names and Race should be EXCLUDED in applications. Applicants should be given an identification number and thats how they should be selected.
I agree, 100%
You right man
I hope this happens
No one can choice their race and it should not be affecting them in a negative way.
name, race, AND sex.
are you kidding me?
whou do you think will get choose between
brittany murphy
Alex smith
De'andre Johnson
Laquinsha martins
Mohamed Amir
can't you tell the race of these applicants?
Affirmative Action, by definition, always hurts someone. Who that is will simply be a matter of the times.
P. Shoe location
Rebecca Bell Pardon?
Its not just times where u live can make a difference i grew up a white minority in my neighborhood. I didn't benefit
Rebecca Bell Ah, I see what you mean. That’s very true. I think it’s basically artificially enforced racism, with the cyclical regeneration of fashion. What a wonderful thought...
P. Shoe do you think that Affirmative action is all about race
"All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others"
Aye
Animal farm!
george owell animal farm refrence!!
No it's "hOLiStiC fAcToRs"
not true. some animals are smarter than others. some animals are more aggressive other animals. look at dogs.
What would you like the neurosurgeon who's about to operate on your child’s brain to be?
- the one who got a 4.7 GPA and perfect SAT and MCAT scores?
- or the one who scored 450 points lower but got in because of the pigmentation of their skin?
Duh, I want 450 points lower one because when he messes up I can sue them and be a little racist.
nice try with an oversimplified analogy. dumb idiot
I mean if they both completed medical school successfully. Why just based on a test they took in 12th grade. I would hire both. If you mean a 4.7 in med school then yes I would obviously hire that guy.
mike school I guess you're one of those that scored 450 points lower! Way to go... you smart idiot!
I'm glad neurosurgeons have to go through an extremely specific qualifying course and program despite how well they score in other classes. It's almost like there's still qualifications for profession
Okay. Realistically, if Harvard didn't discriminate, Asian americans would make up over 50 percent of freshmen. Because they are smarter and deserve to be in there.
Study shows that the number would actually be 43%. If you include the international students, it'll probably be over 50%. Just look at the top schools in California where there's no discrimination. UC Berkeley, UC Los Angeles, and UC Irvine are at least 40% Asian American, not counting the Chinese immigrants they're infamous for.
Joshua N still 40% is stil veyr high considering asians make up the minority
M.I.A/MIA1
As if you have any original thought, ha I think not. First off, your basing your argument off stereotypes. For example "they are forced by their parents to study 40 hours a day." (Way to go for your use of exaggeration here :D). Then you go about describing Korean education and what not. I mean, I get where your coming from with that. A lot of studious students even in China go through this as well, but you have to understand that they aren't the only ethnic groups that classify as asians. Mind blowing isn't it? So obviously not all asians were raised the same. Now here's something else that caught my attention. You mentioned something about having diversity present there. Now I agree, diversity is important. But allowing for those asian americans to get rejected all for the sake of "diversity" is ok? In my opinion, it shouldn't matter how they were raised, what matters is the work they put into getting there. And that dedication should be recognised no matter what race you fall under.
M.I.A/MIA1
If that's all you got from my previous comment, you must be a very close minded person. Listen, I already know about the sport teams in the ivy league but that isn't only thing these top colleges have to offer. As for wanting titles, I mean.. what else did you expect? Certainly people wouldn't feel obliged to pay just for nothing. And also, your a hypocrite. I sensed some pathos in there. Comparing a poor latino to a well-off asian kid while claiming asians wouldn't care. I don't know what led to you developing this bias opinion towards asians but hey, none of my business...
son.
M.I.A/MIA1
Just to clarify, I wasn't trying to assume your gender just now. I was trying to add on.. to uh, what you were doing there.
Like for Meritocracy
Long live individualism
Yeeaaa!!!!
The problem is it's never a meritocracy from the start. Black and Latino students are more likely to go to schools which have been under supported directly as a consequence of racist housing policies and Northern style separate but equal schooling. I'm not saying this to bash anyone in particular but just pointing out that getting rid of affirmative action doesn't make it a meritocracy. Affirmative action is at best a band aid intended to reverse centuries of different types of discrimination and it is necessarily not going to be ideal. That being said, affirmative action being removed would not really foster true meritocracy without removal of the institutional issues that gave rise to its need.
You sir, do not have to read the comment that way if you choose not to. I think we can agree however, that past (and current) discrimination is not solved by changing who its victims are.
John Wayne is it so much to ask that institutional discrimination be reduced?
5:30 why would you need diversity to create business? While an asian kid is working hard to fulfill there dream of getting into an Ivy League College, the black and hispanic kids get to have way more free time and study less while still managing to get into an Ivy League College. That is unfair
@A. Ceniza and all we are asking is lets have a free an fair competition. We are not anti-white, anti-black or anti-hispanic.. If black, hispanic, white scored higher than asian, that means they are the right person to be admitted. Select the deserve one not reserve one, that all we are asking.
@A. Ceniza have you heard of rich minorities or do you think everyone who is black or Hispanic is stupid and poor, living in a dumpster.
@@justsamoo3480 You know...they can...kind of...maybe....set education as one of their top priority? I mean...why punish someone who do it right? In a competition, do you reward the ones that finish last??? No! You tell that person to do better next time!
Progenitus of Alara I agree.
@@wrathoflichking9603 the thing is it did not being as a free and fair competition. You are coming into a system that has oppressed and penalized these groups and this has led to a decline in proper predatory practices to qualify to get into these schools. The affirmative action is trying to correct this.
"racial quotas are not allowed" LOL, she deserves an Oscar for saying that with a straight face. Every Ivy school has a "racial quota", they just don't talk about it.
80% of Affirmative Action recipients are WHITE WOMEN and black men have benefited the least according the the US government's own numbers...
They just dont talk about it..? Prove that...
@@knos360are you stupid?
Theres a quota. Why do you think Harvard lost the case? There’s a mountain of data.
Not just Harvard, but all Ivy League colleges are discriminating against asians. When they say they admit students based on "Holistic Criteria" that's code for racial quotas. These types of subjective policies were started decades earlier to keep Jews out of the Ivy League schools, who were also entering in very large numbers.
Keeping Asians at 19%-20% for 20 years is not a coincidence.
Harvard shoud continue making race as basis of their admissions. It would be interesting to see if they would continue to be IVY league years down the lines. Will see if current benefactors will continue supporting them when they know their policy. Hopefully those benefactors leaving their money as inheritance will take note and see if that's what they want.
Sorry, but what evidence are you basing this on? Asians make up a significant percentage of Ivy league schools. Those that didn't make it are lying to themselves about what it means to be qualified. A mere GPA is not the mark of one's capacity.
"Holistic Criteria" = racism, effectively.
They are pathetic.
@@vietlee4290 The numbers are increasing yearly.
Why don't SJWs complain about this
Winston Shih Because apparently, Asians aren't "underrepresented minorities."
Dux oh really then why are blacks getting into Harvard easier than Asians because of quotas. There shouldn't be any quotas. Only on merit
Winston Shih look, I'm all for a meritocracy, but not everyone has the same chance to achieve the same amount in this country. I personally think it should be based off of socioeconomic status than simply race.
Dux no just just sounds like lucasfilm or sjw corporations arguing that they can't hire Asian or white men anymore just because of forced diversity. This mindset destroyed star wars and Ghostbusters
Dux the problem is it's based on how poor or rich you are not race for Asians since they're "too smart" for ivy league which means a different with a 80 has a better into college than a Asian with a 100
The Asian students in my engineering courses represent the hard work and determination this country was built upon. Most of them barely speak English but not once do you ever hear them making excuses. They just get the job done. That kind of work ethic motivates me and if it meant colleges being 99% Asian then so be it.
I remember seeing something saything that without quotas, 40% of colleges would have asians.
@@iamjustaperson.6001 That's impressive
@@tantanmustdie If they are that's smart, they should create their own private universities to compete against ivy League. Lot of problems will be solved.
@@tantanmustdie Cildren of Africain immigrants students rate are similar to Asian. These two groups sent their smartest kids in US to study. The population is bias compare to whites and Africain americans student where the rate is compare to nationawide students population. When you go to China and Africa lot of people do make it to college. Don't be easily impress by these comments.
They don’t try to negotiate and argue grades with their professors - they see what their score was, move on, and improve
Not until 1965 in some states in the United States Chinese was not allowed to buy a home or own a business.
Yet somehow asians are now the highest earning ethnic group, kinda makes you think why the other ethnic groups are doing so poorly huh
@Tia Bear Well their money is hard working money too, don't feel jealousy if you are not working hard enough. Sitting your but on the sofa all day and complaining about the fairness is not Fair.
@@akpstar6331 he's saying that even though asains are a minority they earn more, he not talking about their population. Not here to argue, just saying that you misunderstood him.
@@inatus_s cause Hispanics and blacks are lazy. Black tries to justify their inability to move forward due to slavery and Hispanics blame deportation even though they are in the country illegally.
Philippines does not allow foreigners to own home. Foreigners who want to operate business in Philippines need Filipino partners who will get bigger share of the profits. Philippines retroactively changed the law disallowing foreigners to be a professionals in Philippines. You can not practice medicine even though you were practicing prior to passage of the law and have medical license for years prior to passage of the law. Foreign professionals in America are lucky since it is still based on merits and competency.
I find it shocking that only 20 percent of Harvard students are East Asian, South Asian, Southeast Asian or Western Asian. In top Canadian universities, at least 50% of students fall into those categories.
Jasmine Ju
Does Canada practice affirmative action?
Marlon Moncrieffe No, and that's why.
Well, there are also more Asians in Canada in general. While in the US, only 5% or so of the entire population is of Asian descent.
@@JasmineJu LOL canada definitely practices affirmative action. I'm in engineering and there is a set number of seats reserved for native american students every year who do not have to hit the same GPA requirements.
@BoogiBellugi why？？？
It's true. There is this book about this Indian student who was trying to get into Harvard. He had a 3.8 GPA, and there was no way he could get in. So he passed himself off as African American and automatically got accepted.
Gamer Weasel er
3.1 GPA not 3.8
Ugh, if only I had done that when I was applying to UCs. I'm an Indian born in America and I applied to UC campuses as an Indian American. I should've changed my race to something else like white.
Where is this?
So let me get this straight, its the( 11.2 % African American) falt. The already (23.5 % Asians) can't get into an Ivleg school.? just trying to understand your point.
Asians are so OP, they have to nerf us lol
This 450 difference is just mind-blowing.
You also have to score higher than whites and Hispanics why do you only focus on the part where you have to score higher than blacks?
@@joycelynmiller2970 this is a misleading question. And kind of dumb.
@@miny7322 lol it isn't it literally saids that. So stop being an idiot.
@@joycelynmiller2970 I just love when people who are claiming to be anti racist are the ones that are for racism when being push from there political side. Just like all the Democrats support racist democrats such as Jim Crow and the racist south. They are again supporting racism being push from the Democrats.
@@caposolomon8745 I'm am not for racism. But she was pointing out that blacks get in with lower scores while the same study also saids that whites and Hispanics get in with lower scores than Asians too. I was asking her why she doesn't mention that to. Everyone should be treated fairly. But affirmative actions gives everyone an advantage over Asians according to the comment that was made in the video not just blacks. Everyone should have to get the same grades to get into ivy league. Race doesn't matter the grades do. So I support fairness.
I noticed this when I was applying for scholarships, there was one scholarship that was looking for "non-white people, or underrepresented people". I had to stop and think who "non white non-underrepresented POC" were, and I realized they didn't want asians either
They drool when imagining their university "enriching" itself with black students in medical school with 3.0 GPAs. Sickens the soul.
@@eddp.2562 Is that the best you can do? Get out of here.
Reiner Ackerman Welcome to America .
@@eddp.2562 Again try again.
bigAssGooseberrydich lol. They was brothers during the Chinese Exclusion Act and the Magnuson Act, that Martin Luther King put a end to.
Why isn’t Asian basketball players score 20 points a basket for affirmative action in NCAA.
This is true dued. I live in America and everyone copies & tries to act just like Black Americans because they are seen as talented and cool. No one gives less than a shit about asians.
Do blacks talk about diversity or affirmative action in NFL and NBA?
Somehow smoke weed everyday can get you into Harvard.
That's just f****** racist the African Americans that are accepted to Harvard are Elites by any measure even when compared to Asians they are not smoking weed everyday and graduating and from Harvard. The premise that every African-American smokes weed everyday by itself is racist not even considering there more Caucasian weed smoker then African American.
@rf4life Right, it must be his low IQ right? Lol you're just as racist and dumb as the original comment bro..whats YOUR IQ?
Wicked Man never said anything about race”bro” just said the guy was dumb
@@SageVaughn Are you that obsessed about race that you call a dude racist because they called someone dumb?
@@SageVaughn u racist
Is there any affirmative action for non blacks in Basketball Hip Hop rap music?
That cultural, you are off topic 🙄
They get rich. This ia a capitalist country. For profit companies want talents not ethnic quota.
@Cloud Smiles It's a bad analogy. The NBA doesn't discriminate against asians that are capable. American employers do discriminate against blacks that are qualified.
Nayan Mipun basketball does a damn good job at being a meritocracy. The college admissions system (without affirmative action) isn’t as good at that. Even with aa it still definitely isnt as good. Basketball is a lot more 1 dimensional and easy to determine who is better. Not only that, but it has great equality of opportunity right now: Something like nascar isn’t as accessible for people as basketball is. Basketball is really accessible
Since we are off topic What about chess ? Sumo affirmative action? Also what about who can spread corona faster affimative action ?
Of course it's hurting chances like sorry one culture works harder than others hmm I think they should be brought lower for that
I agree
Not sure what any of this has to do with working harder...
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@John Mista: Asians have to score 450 more points than African-American students, 270 more points than Hispanic students, and 140 more points than white students to get into the same Ivy League school (Princeton, 2009). California outlawed affirmative action in 1996. Before 1997, black students were about 10% of Stanford University in California at any given time, after 1997 when the anti-affirmative action went into affect, black students have never surpassed more than 5% of Stanford's student body ever. They are currently only between 1% to 2% of Stanford, UC Davis, UC Berkley, UCLA, USC, etc... Asians on the other hand have exploded at all those schools ranging from 35% to 45%. Asians even outnumber white students in Stanford. But don't take my word for it, a simple Google search will prove me right.
Yeah, that's fucked. Race should be irrelevant. Only individual merit should be considered...
We shouldnt ask any race related questions in job interviews. It should only be a submitted resume and/or portfolio. With no face placed next to the name. No in-person interview, all through email and resume or name. Just assign a job applicant a number and have them submit their resume. Then we can finally hire people based on skill and not race
Guard Passer This only works for “passing names” where you can’t distinguish the race. This is why white people can get away with not disclosing their race on systems that enforce affirmative action or even how black people can pass as white anonymously for job applications. People with names like Jose Fernandez, Mohammed Amir, or Tommy Nguyen are prescreened either way because they are inherently ethnic.
DelightfulMusic dont put a Name then. Hence why I said just give every applicant a number
well, people still judge with racism just by looking at the NAME alone. They've done studies where the resume is the same but Brittany will get a call back while Shaniqua won't.
Mockavel Velli hence why i said dont put the name. Just assign each applicant a number.
Parker S. Yes we should get rid of it when it comes to the hiring process. Life isnt fair. If you werent born with a head start, you better make up for it with your skill/work ethic. Dont ask companies to lower their standards because life was harder for you
That woman’s theory is literally contradicting to her logic. She’s saying colleges are not using racial quotas therefore they don’t discriminate Asian Americans while she encourages them to use it (which is affirmative action)
She doesn't understand basic statistics, I doubt she can actually identify logical errors in her argument. It's just depressing.
So that means that Affirmative Action discriminates against more that just Asians.
Then we want to see more Asian nba players, Asian NFL players!!
We have Younghoe Koo in the NFL now.
Obi2 try baseball, more Asians in the MLB
@@demented9131 That's one person
forsenCD literally Asian teams in baseball beat team USA all the time back and forth rivalry
forsenCD Heinsward, Koo, Yao Ming, Jlin, to way more younger prospects that are coming to the league soon, I don’t watch football or basketball but has Japanese stars
There's a reason why I always mark "prefer not to answer" when it comes to asking for ethnic background.
I just think it’s disgusting how my family friends last name is Garcia, bc she is a quarter Filipino, so the name is from Spanish roots, she got into Harvard n probably other ivy leagues, no doubt she was smart n privileged, but my cousin who got perfect ACT score, good activities and a 4.9 GPA was differed from every Ivy League school and Stanford etc. Bc he was 100% Chinese and was smarter than the other girl
@ATL 1 lol Filipinos are not Hispanics. Most of us may have Spanish last names but Spaniards hardly contribute to our overall genes. We are Southeast Asians.
Are you sure your cousin got rejected jist because he was Chinese? With such scores he probably didn't have a life. Nobody wants to enroll somebody who can get perfect scores and that's it. They are looking for somobody who has talents and does something on the side, while getting good scores.
M.I.A/MIA1 fillipinos are Asian lol. Not Pacific Islanders Lmfaoooooo. From a Tahitian.
I understand, but I am talking about excellent achievements. I agree, school clubs are actually mediocre. "I am on track team and president of another club" is not much of an achievement if you ask me. But then you have pole vaulter Armand Duplantis, who jumped 6.05 and won SENIOR European Athletic Championships this summer before going to college (6.16 is World record fyi). That's what I call excellent extracurriculars, not practicing twice a week with below average results to look like you are "involved". EVERYBODY applying to Harvard has more or less perfect grades, but people like that butthurt guy that actually sued the universities don't get that you are not entitled to a spot if you have perfect grades. There are thousands of applicants with the same grades as you. And some have actually achieved remarkable things, not just studied 24/7.
myopinion2day that’s not the point. The point is that there shouldn’t be a difference in scores and grades based on race. Every race is going to have their robots and their people who are well rounded. It’s not that Asians want to be automatically admitted for perfect grades. They just don’t want to be judged on a different standard.
I remember seeing the local news showering this black kid. Showing off he got accept into every University’s he applied. I didn’t know there was such a thing as “affirmative action” but I already have my doubt about its legitimacy.
If it’s design to help black kids, they might as well get rid of SAT for black kids. Because the numbers doesn’t show any sign of improvement.
That kid had an almost a near perfect score stop being racist . You guy want to take everything from black they fought for in civil rights the oppurtunities given ffor any immigrant was through civil rights I didn't see other asians/races marching and getting sprayed down with hoses .
@@ymen3731 I agree. The problem here isn't that other races are succeeding, the problem is that Asians specifically are failing more often
4:59 Does being of college age mean the same thing as being college-qualified? Are you more concerned about a diverse workforce than a qualified one?
Etta victor well said.
By definition this policy is racist. Quite funny seeing many black people defend this.
You can call it racist. But if there wasn't REAL racism to begin with, they'd be no justification for creating Affirmative Action in the first place.
I'm not calling it racist, it IS racist. There's no debate as the acceptance rates vary clearly by race, therefore your race is of primary importance.
Also, how come Asian immigrants can do well but African Americans who have lived in the US for generations can't?
I bet here comes some argument how hard it is in the ghetto...but I'm sure the slums of India have been very kind to Indians, industrial towns in China are such easy places to live in. Permanent victims.
Rico T do you even know what’s happening in South Africa? Please stay in your ignorant shell before trying to explain things to others
C. Lincoln there’s no justification for racism nor race based admissions. You can’t use evil in the past to justify injustice in the present and future.
I totally agree. African American people complain about everything and blame their faults on everyone but themselves. If they don't get into college, they blame the whites. It's crazy. People who actually work hard are being replaced by lazy people just because of their race. Affirmative action is BULLSHIT.
Guys this is gonna blow your mind if it aids one person based on race then it hurts other people
Nestor Pelayo watch out for this one, he's a radical centrist
THIS!!!!!!!
But its helping people who didn't work as hard as their counterparts...
Facts!
Yes, it hurts Asian-Americans. If we admit applicants based on race, we are disserving ourselves and our society in the long run.
We need to groom our kids to become self-reliant and hardworking people. We don't want to be a bunch of dependent pests.
If we want to fix this "inequality" in admission, we need to fix the root causes and do the hardwork of solving the real underlying problems.
It is here because of the countless employers that throw aside applications of black applicants for their race alone.
Fake outrage
You already have 23% admission ,in a population of 4% , saying anything else is being inconsiderate and selfish , especially to the other races that work as hard but aren't as smart 😟
80% of Affirmative Action recipients are WHITE WOMEN and black men have benefited the least according the the US government's own numbers...
@@mxiivx7610 I'm saddened to hear you have a plan to achieve this yet have done nothing to implement it...
Several decades would pass before you would see effects of such needed change. We're discussing individuals entering careers *today* ...not 50 years from now. Harvard and other universities are committed to finding talent from these communities *today*
Individuals entering adulthood *today* are all of varying innate abilities. You're delusional to suggest these schools needed to have admitted more asians (with your warped opinion that asians are more capable than any other. They're not.). There exists genius and creativity in all racial groups.
Hang a placard of your SAT score up on the wall above your fireplace. Nobody else in the working world gives a damn about it. What do you actually have to offer?
I want to play in NBA! They have quotas to accept me?
On point, exactly :)
The NBA doesn't discriminate against asians.
@@LuvThyMind29 the reason why blacks dominated NBA is because they are the best at it. Because they are the derserve one, it is meritocracy,its totally fair and square. Why should people stop asian to maybe dominate the colleges and universities if they are the deserve one(highest scorers)? Why is that meritocracy suddenly becomes irrelevant to asian people?
Nba doesn’t care what you are, you’re elite at basketball, then you’re in.
@@fanaticalplel1003 this is racism because I'm a asian.
At 1:20 she talks about equal opportunity. How is it equal opportunity if something is easier for a particular group?
How dumb is this lady? America is majority white so off course there are more white people!
Equity and equality are not same thing
PREACHHHHHHH
This will upset people but I gotta say it. Black people's culture doesn't valuate education, so family doesn't really push their kids to study. While it's totally opposite for Asians. So right at the moment they are born to that culture, black students are already disadvantaged in term of motivation and resources to study. Thus, affirmative action is expected to balance that out by sort of giving them a "new start", a new opportunity.
Hoa, I think we need to be careful with this kind of speech as it can be misinterpreted, but we also need to be objective. Looking at the facts, does there seem to be a higher valuation of education amongst asian cultures than others such as african americans? My experience as a teacher would say yes, but we ought to be mindful that it is NOT the individual students fault. No one chooses to be born in a family that prioritizes education over one that doesn't. However, we need to examine this issue objectively, in order to solve it. What is contributing to this asymmetry between cultures?
How will creating "diversity" by limiting potential create a better society? That's BS.
Eric Ma because it gives a chance for undiscovered potential. Potential is limited without diversity
Eric Ma diversity only incude hispanic and black while asian and white are left out which is why the democrats are double standerd shit
what potential is limited? Do 'diverse' groups have some other superpowers?
Daan Overbekking your stupidity is showing.
One Piece: I think you are the stupid one. Affirmative Action has nothing to do with unleashing hidden talents. Why don’t you explain to us why there will be more talents by cutting qualifying, talented Asians from school only to replace them with less talented students just because they are blacks or Hispanics?
Yes, it does. And it’s TRULY racist.
all i know is when the doctor comes in the room and he's asian, i think, "yes! this guy definitely studied!"
Literally every doctor "definitely studied"....every race needs to pass the same board certifications to be a doctor 🤦♂️
I like how she said as far as I know....
It’s so obvious she’s lying through her teeth though. Her language body and general shiftiness already tells me everything I need to know.
She said that and immediately afterwards she said race is considered as a factor. Classic duplicitous white liberal.
She’s a jew. You know they’re lying because their lips are moving.
With all do respect to Asains.
Secondly, afirmative action does not guarantee anyone a job or guarantee any one an education. It only in a FEW cases guarantees that a minority which includes white women & Asains will be considered for a job or an educational opportunity because prior to afirmative action only white males where mainly consider. ...
Blacks protested for you to have your rights. Try & educate yourself about that part of American history.
With out afirmative action white males would have continued their discrimination. ... i know this is not pleasing to the ears to hear, but it's the truth.
All minorities including Asains & white women should be okay with affirmative action to protect their right to be considered for educational and employment opportunities.
If Asains thinks systematic or individual racism by those in power or in the majority did not exist then or does not exist now in the United States of America they are delusional. ..
I think a huge problem is that All of America's history is not taught to people born in America or people who immigrate to America.
In my opinion without affirmative white males will return to the status quo of prior to affirmative action.., there's a saying be careful of what you ask for, you just might get it...
If you truly don't want diversity then you're okay with the way America was prior to Affirmative action.
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This is why I'm becoming trans-black
D.rill nice one 😂
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Theres loyalty in royalty inside the dna..u would love it!
Become a white woman. They benefit the most from Affirmative Action.
Trans-black and libtard are my new favorite words...
That lady w the curly hair, jewish features is lying or just doesn't know reality and this is coming from experience!
Michael Kwon I hate white liberals like her, they have no real evidence when they challenge negative aspects of policies they support. She sees the world through rose colored glasses & dismisses other people’s suffering if it doesn’t fit her agenda.
@@diamondsfurez7456 shes not white
I agree that affirmative action is definitely a racist policy and should not be a thing...however, there should be discrimination based on socioeconomic status because that DIRECTLY impacts the opportunities you have (e.g. tutors, time of studying, ability to pursue extra-curriculars etc.) growing up
The only fair way to do this is to do a blind review of test scores and grades and a personal letter. It ain't that hard lots of European countries do so already. Yes it may make the universities less representetive but that Is not a problem with the university but rather primary and high school level.
Bear Arms here we get grades for those Ashwell and is then combined with our other grades. We do not have any asats or other test. We use our grades + examination results. Though universitys can choose to have a second intake that is no more then 50% of the quote that is reliant on interviews, test results, practical test and/or work experience or a combination. This way you get a mix of ages and ppl with life experience and theoretical knowledge. Not saying it is perfect at all. But in combination with no fees it in general gives everyone a fair chance to get in, even if you learned the nessesary skilles other ways then high-school. Thou even with thise rules intake is squad towards students from high income families and families with academic background.
i guess that is why they use a 2 intake system ;) but it is quite hard to say what is racist. should it be that the rules for intake is equal for all then it will not represente race in sociaty or if you fix the procentages to reflext sociaty it will no longer be equal requerments for students. so i guess you can't make it non discriminatory.
No the current system is fine. Well rounded individuals are important. All that needs to change is giving college admissions race and name information.
Yes, but most of their applicants are European.
Diversity isn’t a strength! It’s not innately good nor bad just an observation of the demographic. We should have, and always had, merit based admissions!
Just because diversity wasn't heralded as an advantage, doesn't mean it wasn't. Historically America has always been diverse.
drmnys those Asian nations you mentioned are naturally homogeneous so they don't have the challenge of dealing with diversity. The U.S. is heterogenous so there is no choice but to either integrate, segregate, or assimilate the different ethnicities.
Meritocracy is a myth.
Primitive Primate Diversity is a strength, imagine driving through a state with no gas stations, hospitals, stores, or laws.
Jack Sun If you really want diversity spend some time in NYC, and see what racism really is about. One month in each borough should do. The biggest Biggots tend to Black. It’s in their culture in the ghettos to hate which is what racism is ... hate.
This NAACP chick is really grinding my gears
Jack DeRoche you can see in her eyes even she thinks "holistic approach " is total bullshit
I’m Mexican and I think this is true. They deny so many qualified Asians because they’re so smart that they could fill up an entire school
I get a feeling it's Fair
@@honeyabdurahman2412 how is me getting into a university or a full ride because of the color of my skin? Something I had no control over
@@551223 why does Havard have to be 90% Asian
80% of Affirmative Action recipients are WHITE WOMEN and black men have benefited the least according the the US government's own numbers...
@@honeyabdurahman2412 Why does it matter what race Harvard students are as long as they earned it? It could be all Jews, Latinos, African Americans, Asians as long as they EARNED the spot without AFFIRMATIVE ACTION
4:23 "Actually still majority white schools"
*Shows graph which contradicts this point*
NAACP lady tries to defend racial profiling. Also diversity has nothing to do with how good the education is.
diversity is pretty important. youre pretty dumb if u cant see that
@Elaine Lane the government was set up BY WHITES. You're welcome.
Finally, equality!
So basically it's the same quota system we have back in India
Abhilash Sarangi Yeah, but the American universities are very sly about it.
In India you need it because there there is actual systemic oppression. In America this is a myth spread by idiots too dumb to get into college by their self.
leder hosen so afro-americans are faking their claims that they're being oppressed?.
Genuine question.
Yes, pretty much. Slavery was abolished 200 years ago, segregation ended a little less than 60 years ago. There is nothing stopping poor blacks from joining the middle class, but most poor blacks vote democrat so they can continue getting welfare which just keeps them in poverty. You can read more about this here: www.city-journal.org/html/what%E2%80%99s-holding-blacks-back-12025.html
Pragy30 amen.
I can see a bit of smile when that woman lie. It is like "haha, we do that openly, so what, you can't prove it".
Not surprised. I hope she realizes her fellow jews were discriminated in college admissions exactly like this awhile ago.
When someone utters the word '' holistic approach'' you run for the hills
This shouldn't even be posed as a question. The answer is an obvious yes. Schools like Berkeley which banned affirmative action have an Asian American percentage of 40% whereas all ivys don't go higher than around 20%
Lol, I love how they try to use "oh it's only a few % here and there" to divert away from the fact that yes; affirmative action is harming Asian students.
Change your name and just say you are Native American or something. An Indian guy changed name to black and get in right away
That is not an option. We don't teach our kids to cheat, nor hide their identity to get into places they deserve to be the first place.
Xiaohui Wang Well said ! At the end of the day , the goal isnt to get Asian kids in through shady or untruthful ways , its to get Asian kids in based on meritocracy. I , as an Asian-American want to get into these universities through my own ability and as who i am and not because i tried or faked my race to get in.
So if the University does it (cheating by not letting you in because your name sounds Asian) that makes it okay?
Cry Ozy let me know how your plan goes?
Change it to Spike Lee
Problem will be solved after colleges in Asia catch up and put all colleges in U.S. to shame.
Its really sad because the world is so westernised to the extent where , Asian universities that produce quality graduates get overshadowed by American universities just because they are not “ popular “ or “ well known “ enough. The same goes for the academic industry , most academic awards and titles originates from western countries , thus there is a hidden bias to awarding academic awards or accolades to white or western people. Thus western people tend to get more recognised for their academic contribution as compared to their Asian counterparts. The world’s education system and industry is just too biased and flawed. But this problem will never be solved because discrimination will always exist sadly.
As a Korean, our primary reasons to go US university are learning English and it's easy to get in if you have money(and many times governments or companies pay tutions).
You are right and wrong. I went to both. From my own experiences, Asian universities are good, but they heavily focus on technical skills. It has to do with asian culture and personality as well as the way the school system (middle, high school) work in Asia. In the other hand, US universities teach you about critical thinking in order to become leaders. USA invented/created MBA programs. Back in the date, there were not any MBA programs in Asia or Europe because most students in Europe and Asia tends to focus on improving their technical skills. Therefore, MS programs are more popular in Asia or Europe.
Have you seen colleges in Japan and South Korea? They already put ivy leagues here to shame, they just don't have a brand recognition.
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East Asian colleges are way MORE competitive than even the top US universities. China and South Korea have exams which tests not only knowledge but also your IQ, questions which don't have a correct answer that which you can study for, like you'd expect from an academic test. Many Asians who got accepted by western universities are ones who failed in Asia.
as an asian I think it is very unfair
This is literally why most immigrant asian and immigrant children are conservative. I'm one of them.
i’m not conservative and i’m asian
im conservative and asian
@@stephaniegleissner5868 im talking about actual immigrants, not their privileged children who attend liberal colleges and claim oppression. Believe it or not, most of them are conservative.
@@stephaniegleissner5868 you prolly watch jkfilms, fu bros and wongfu. these people love self deprecation
@@Gilvids facts, everybody want to be liberal so they don't get canceled
Yes. It does.
Same thing back in Malaysia when I was growing up. Due to the quota system, chinese malaysians have to go through an extra 2 years of pre-university and fight for the last 3% to get into the field that they want after high school standardized exams. If you get sick during the two weeks of exam period, then you had no choice but to go into the field of study based on your grades. What made this worse was that Malay high school kids were admitted to local Universities STEM fields based on their local high school grades regardless of how they did in their standardized exams. The government wanted to produce engineers to help build the country, what they got was a bunch of business graduates who switched majors. I was one one the lucky ones who got the opportunity to study overseas and I never looked back. I consider this a blessing in disguise!
Malaysia's government doctrine was always to not let foreigners rule Malaysia. And they have been quite successful at doing that. Which is why we have quotas and what not. So does Singapore actually.
“Affirmative action is needed to create diverse campuses.”
So… a racial quota?
This is an interesting topic as a part of me says: "Bring it on and let's continue to outscore and actually take that as a compliment that we have reached this status now from nothing to knowing that each Asians name will be attached with incredible scores" and a part of me says: "wait, this is't right because it should all be based on what talents students bring in along with meeting a standard score to create an opportunity for all." Then I really started thinking about this and eventually realized that the problem is not Affirmative Action because in the end that truly just hurts everyone. The true problem is within the communities themselves. If we are truly to give everyone an opportunity then we need to eradicate low income and poverty communities and empower those communities with all the tools they need so they can equally rise to receive top notch education. And eventually, with time, everyone will be on a fair plane level and the scores along with your accomplishments and what you have to offer will truly be the reason why you should get in. Now, how we get rid of low income and poverty level communities to empower them to higher education, that is a whole different topic because trust me, at that level - every ethnic groups suffer. Because Asian Families' mentality on the word honor is one of the main core of Asian families, that mentality has overcome many life difficulties at all level of finances and so I see where we can get upset but also see what we have achieved to the point where we have become 100% the ones to beat. Now I do not speak for all Asians but at this point, I truly believe to level the field, we need to tackle the issue of low income and poverty level communities to rise them above that to truly make it fair nationwide for all.
SHouldn't it be based on grades and test scores? If a child studies, does harder classes in high school and gets better grades, they should get into the better schools. I hate when NAACP says diversity is better than test scores and grades. Do you want a doctor based on DIVERSITY or based on how they did in school?
Race in higher education is extremely different. College should be the time people from all cultures and races learn about each other and create dialogue. That simply can not happen if merit was the only factor. That’s is not the only indicate of hard work, intelleigence and intellect
Totally.
janae jackson uh that’s life in general, not college.
Casey that not life in general. There is not dialogue throughout this country when communities are more segregated than when there was seperate but equal..
janae jackson so it’s not life in general? You do not go to work or learn from everyday living? We are going to college to learn this? Never seen this at my university.
The entire college application process is not fair. You would be fooling yourself to think that. However, people get to where they need to be. In the end, the truly smart people will figure out how to achieve everything they want in this life.
Good for you but also it good to speak out against the bias.
"No biggie. They'll find another way to succeed anyway, if they're smart."
Nicklas Louie If you can read, why do you need college?
If you feel your life is ruined at age 18 because you didn't get into an Ivy, deal with the pain and suffering and move on. Life is unfair and difficult for all.
Some people genuinely can’t take failure lol and what college you go to isn’t going to totally make or break you
@@shdjfgsdjtfkg yes, but to be denied some thing you qualify and seeing some one else got in who is just not as good because the color of your skin is just wrong.
for real. there is so much time
@@rs-dp6pr then you go somewhere else.
I hope this serves as a wake up call for asians and makes them realize the dangers of leftist ideology.
Fck the left
I wrote an essay for some colleges about affirmative action discriminating against Asian Americans. I got deffered from both colleges I sent that specific essay to. However, one excellent point I managed to research, that should have been included in this video, is that California forbids using race as a factor for their state schools. UCLA and UC Berkeley do have a higher proportion of Asian students, but it doesn't actually come at a major detriment to other minorities. Ultimately, affirmative action grants one group and advantage over another, which inherently increases the difficulty for the groups not given an advantage.
Very difficult to find a sensible and useful comment in this whole trash park of a comment section. Thank you.
I find it a bit annoying when some people (not you, less sensible people lol) are all about how much Asians are discriminated against but won't accept the same with other races. But yeah, just making race not a factor makes more sense in general. Let's not have to put our race on the application unless a particular school really wants it. (Like Rice Uni being all about that diverse thoughtplace)
Strawberry Cupcake lol what 98 what r u smoking
I can tell that a lot of people didn't watch the whole video
Lol. Guy, I'm not referring to taking anything seriously. I'm talking about people seemingly trying to co-sign the stance they think is being taken here rather than what is actually being said here.
Judge them by merit as well as taking into account their income / family background and struggles, the color of their skin should have nothing to do with it
There's definitely something important here that needs to be looked into more deeply. Our nation needs to keep growing and changing as we address the unfair treatment that minorities have faced in the past. But be clear about everything that is going on here... Unfortunately, some (NOT ALL) of those same individuals that held discriminatory views towards non-whites, and want to take us back to those days " when America was GREAT" are some (NOT ALL) of the people sharing and promoting this video. Hoping to pit African American struggle against Asian American struggle, they could care less about Asian American equity, instead, their ultimate goal is to be undermining and dismantling affirmative action altogether. All while they also rewriting history, possibly to prevent future generations from understanding the necessity of affirmative action in the first place.
If the race is considered in the admission process, that is by definition racist. I don't see anywhere near 4.5% Asian in NBA/NFL, that's just the fact that nowadays Asian are not as good a basketball/football player as black people. You cannot fix that by AAing Asian into the NBA/NFL. Just let the best man/woman win, how hard can that be?
In the old there were no black in baseball or basketball. Of course these days if you want to win you hire the best. The best are the black athletes.
william louie lol you are easily fooled or are you just stupid ?
Right, how about set AA for NBA? Like u need to have at least 5 Asians in each of team.how does that sounds ?
@ATL 1 you r stupid, blacks dot have ability to go to good school like white cant go to nfl
This world is not perfect. As a foreigner in US, I’ve been through so much unfairness. All I can do is to believe if I work harder, I will be who I wanna be someday. ❤️ ❤️
Yes, the world is not perfect. But hard work will only take you so far if the system is corrupt. It is all of our responsibility to demand fairness and equality.
You said it kid. "I will BE who I wanna be someday". Being is the key, not having.
Very interesting to see more people talking about this issue.
Sounds like a good thing, but this will hurt everyone at the end.
Admission should not be influenced by race. It should be determined by ability/merit/accomplishments/GPA/extra-curricular activities, AND the family's economic status.
Those who come from a middle or high class would (by vast majority) have an advantage over those in lower classes. Kids in lower classes have to work harder and face more challenges than those in high/middle class.
The arguments made in favor of Affirmative Action to get more diversity in universities can be easily translatable to speaking about economic privilege.
'Blind applications', I believe, are the solution. You may run into a situation where groups without access to quality education will score lower, but I believe that will help uncover a much larger issue.
I agree with the Asian kid. I’m ok with having affirmative action that lower scores to helps people like African and Hispanic, but I’m not ok with the higher scores needed for Asian. Asian should at least be graded on the same scale as white people. AT LEAST.
everyone should be graded on the same scale
this is how it should be, doesn't care if there's disproportionately much smaller black students as a result, those who got accepted should be based on merit
@pepega clapper who care?
"If race is used as a positive factor, meaning that it helps an application, that's good. When it harms an application, I feel that's not fair."
Racial quota hurts the competency of the professions.
Race was used to help an application, it just wasn’t his
absolute disregard for cause and effect. She's not dumb, she's lying.
Just because something is "equal" does not necessarily make it fair. That's something we need to learn.
The answer is duh
So glad to see this major issue finally gaining traction!
Well I wasn’t good enough to be “targeted” by affirmative action, I only applied for schools of my level which were all the UCs, but I can’t help but imagine how horrible it must feel to be at the top of the top and get rejected from those ivy leagues. It makes me almost thankful I didn’t work any harder than I did.
Not having a real understanding of History leads to ignorance.
And then, there are those who have Amnesia.
This video didn't even answer its own question. Who does affirmative action help? Traditionally, it helped women, white women included, where the doors of elite schools had been closed to them before and sexist norms surpressed enrollment numbers. Asians too, where anti-miscegenation and remaining cultural bias prevented them from enrolling early on as well. And of course blacks and hispanics. But as American culture changed, white women as a whole and east asians as a whole stopped needing it as much because the applicant pool was skewing wealthier and wealthier by the year. Interestingly, despite all the anger about the existence of the program, nobody has any hard numbers about who is getting in via this program. I'd like to see some hard admissions stats from Ivy League universities rather than follow a gut feeling to anger.
lol I think how its funny when they group asians into 1 category.
If there was no affirmative actions, the whole campus would be Chinese, Korean, and Japanese students lol. As much as I think it’s unfair, there is a valid argument that you don’t want the campus to become Seoul University/University of Tokyo/Qinghua University.
Maybe 80% and 12% of European descent and 8% other. I'm of European descent and recognize how dedicated to education Asians are, and how drugged up, zoned out and feeling entitled the rest of the young population is.
DM584 source? Who told you UC Berkeley doesn’t use affirmative action anymore? Are you part of the admissions committee by any chance?
Concerning the NBA, the comparison isn’t really valid since the NBA isn’t associated with governmental agencies while UC Berkeley is part of the UC system, which is Californian program.
And please, the American public won’t accept a domestic US school with Americans being a minority. Asians are still a minority in the US and white Americans the majority. For an American school to be almost exclusively filled with Asians would cause an outrage.
So? Asians on the whole work harder, as shown by department of education. Why should it matter what the ethnic makeup of a school is? Would you be saying the same thing if a campus was majority black or brown?
Then we need to stop admitting dumb inferior students to water down the education?
Affirmative Action is a good program, it needs to be adjusted to be wealth and income based rather than race based. This helps out poor and disadvantaged but talented and hard working people of all races.
Yes you are right but it shouldn't be extreme.
i disagree, wen it comes to a professional degree there shouldnt be AA. The solution is 100% enrollment and scholarships for kids coming from poor background. It also helps the govt understand some of issues of why some people cant make it out of poverty, the higher medical bills, drugs, single parents, lower wages. In fact such detailed understanding can fix a lot within our system.
@@jessg101 good points all around
What good is it if the poor do not have good grades or college test scores. Money cannot make you smarter and do better in school. It still requires hard work, so why discriminate against the wealthy?
@@BobJones-nk6nl Yessir, good points. I definitely am not advocating rewarding laziness or incompetence. But what happens when you have a wealthy kid and a poor kid with the same qualifications? I would say advance the poor kid (regardless of race). They did the same with less resources, that deserves recognition.
You ever hear of that metaphor? You have two baseball players one with poor form and the other with good form, they both run to 1st base with the same speed. If you had to pick one player, which one would you pick? You pick the one with poor form, because that player would beat out the one with good form once you coach that player. That poor form player did the same with less.
We need Trump to fix this problem. Not only asian students suffer from AA , but white students also suffer from this AA.
Actually, it is the White students who are benefiting at the expense of Asian students. But I do agree that AA should simply be abolished.
Because Asians still have to get higher test scores than whites to get admitted to elite universities.
JP Morgan 22.5% of Harvard= Asian
derek zhou 22% is excellent
MisterZ3r0 what? Every single group gets bonuses on their scores but white MALES and Asians.
Graduated as valedictorian from my HS class with a 7.96 final GPA and an Associates degree at 17 as a first generation college student and American (African American) and did not get into one of my state schools because my SAT score was a few points off their range. I could have scored higher but you know I was just GETTING AN ACTUAL DEGREE. I just went to another school, some people are so entitled. No one owes you shit.
We don’t have a race problem WE HAVE A SOCIOECONOMIC PROBLEM
This is a very well balanced video -- thank you
They should have Affirmative Action in the NBA.
lol ikr
They should have affirmative action in porn.
You're right.
w23857980 They should bring back the Chinese Exclusion Act law.
@@eddp.2562 At least it'd be out in the open.