Is Harvard Racist? Thoughts on the recent lawsuit against the university.
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Would Sri Lankans be considered Asian American?
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You mentioned that colleges rate whites higher than Asian Americans in terms of personality. This is a fact backed by statistics. Do you think whites as a rule have better personality than Asians, or there is a hidden bias against Asians? If there is a bias, do you think that whites are oppressed by Asians and colleges are trying to help white people by putting a thumb on the scale? I personally don’t think that is the case. While people dance around the issue and try hard not to see the elephant in the room, the real reason is the overrepresentation of one race on campus-Asians. Colleges try to have a RACIALLY diverse student body by limiting the number of Asian students. As a result, colleges ignore personality traits like dedication, determination, hard work, sacrifice… and put a premium on race. We have seen that being a certain race is more advantageous in admissions. Have you read the book “Almost Black”? Affirmative action as practiced today favors Obama’s daughters over coal miners’ daughters from Virginia, and favors the children of Nigerian businessmen over the descendants of Chinese railway workers who came to build the cross continental railway in 1840s. Race-based policies and merit-based policies lead to different results. The choice is yours. Be prepared for the consequences.
SupertutorTV You do know why if it’s true ? 2/3 of minorities have a greater chance of failing in rigorous colleges according to you? The reasons are minorities have limited or no resources in elementary school. Meaning failing school, absentee parents , lack of funds, and limited positive role models. I hope you will stress this more for your viewers because clearly some people believe they are the greatest thing since slice bread on this tread. They also need to realize they are blessed to have a decent childhood compared to the kids that they believe is pushing them out of “their” Ivy League colleges. Just like someone said on this tread; Ivy League colleges is looking for more then a smart student they are looking for people who will go and conquer the world and make them proud.
It is true that there is much differentiation within races, and I never said there wasn't. Inevitably the best path forward isn't necessarily straight forward or easy to identify.
I think this is exactly the "thinking" that probably led to Harvard's statistically different treatment of Asian's "personality." Did you hear the part about how IN PERSON interviewers did NOT rate Asians proportionally differently on personality vs. white students? I.e. if people actually MET the Asian students, they were NOT more likely to have lower personality ratings? For that reason, I think this is a matter of disheartening implicit bias. (i.e. the kind of bias we don't mean to have and aren't even aware we're engaging in).
I think that administration shouldn’t be allowed to ask race
im a unicorn It is optional.
T D i think the same logic applies to employers and potential employers not legally being able to ask if their gay
im a unicorn But they know your name.
i have a friend whose asian but his grandpa immigrated to south america then to usa. dude is a straight up asian but has hernandez as his last name. feels bad man :/
They will judge base on your family name
I’m an asian american, but not a typical high-sat-scoring, piano-playing asian who had parents that cared.
I’m an asian american who barely had parents involved in my life, who lives in a tiny house packed with 7 people, who has never seen any other of my family members achieve a bachelors degree, and who has family members in prison. I’m also not a math genius, my strengths are in the arts.
Nonetheless, I’m a pretty good applicant for top-tier schools with my grades and extracurriculars - I didn’t cure cancer in my free time or anything, but i’m somewhat in the middle 50% of what top-tier schools are looking for. It came with hard work, and I had to especially overcome the unsafe environment that I was born into.
However, the way schools are using affirmative action hurts asian americans because we are held to a higher standard (because of the high volume of asians applying to top colleges). This especially hurts me, an asian who is not a valedictorian or top scorer.
If we want to give more opportunities to neglected people, then we should be using culture, upbringing, environment, etc. as factors in admission, NOT race. From my observation, lots of blacks that top colleges end up accepting have grown up quite wealthy in white neighborhoods. That is not real diversity - real diversity relies on upbringing, environment, socioeconomic status, etc. There are many disadvantaged black students out there who had to work particularly hard for their achievements, but unfortunately universities might only be focused on their skin color rather than their amazing grit and work ethic.
(Btw, I am not at all saying that I am a “victim” nor am I trying to make excuses. I only seek to explain my point of view on this aspect of the college admissions system.)
Considering it’s unlikely to be reversed in a day, regardless of your beliefs, include all of this in your essay! If there is something that makes you different or an extenuating circumstance, include it!
p.d d.p
they are privileged because they worked for it. Those immigrants came here with nothing barely knowing how to speak the language.
I think the challenge for all Americans especially Asian American are international applicants. Example: An Asian American can have an amazing background but when applying for college your competing internationally for a school like "Harvard". And your competing with a potential applicant who has to pay more {International fees} (Student from China as example), and higher likelihood to donate (some students parents pay up to 600K for acceptance). Also to your point, many Asian American take advantage of diversity (affirmative action) for HACU and HBCU for "FREE" admission. Universities are businesses not Utopia's. There is a reason for every applicant being accepted and its called money.
katie scales You are so right! It should not be dependent the person's race.
Great job on your hard work and trying to make your life better. Best of luck to you!
The Broccolini Industry racism was so bad for Obama that he got elected by mostly whites. Ok
It’s so sad that I have to worry about this just to get a education.
Jet Davis no, you dont need to. This is to get a more prestigious education.
Great Value Bleach I’d like to go to a elite school lol. I have the test scores and extra curriculars to do so. I try to disregard race because I feel like if you blame race for everything that goes wrong, you’ll be miserable but the more I do research the more I realize that it is all about race.
Jet Davis Be the best in your race group then. Its not as complicated as it would seem.
we are in a time where college is basically a must do. it's also perfectly normal for a 25 yr old to still live w his parents now. just try and plan out ur future and have aspirations. college doesnt always have to be a mandatory thing. it's the same with going to prestigious institutions. there are things that you have to sacrifice to go to college, so you should be careful. it makes you think that youll be set for the real world once you get ur degree.
ZaranianZaracerapter well, it shouldn’t be an easy task to get into an elite school.
I am a Asian American. However, I did not grow up under the perfect conditions that are deemed normal by society. I grew up in a remote village in China with only my mother. We legally immigrated to the u.s when I was young. My mom is the first person in my family to finish high school and go to college. Even though she has a good job, it is difficult to stay afloat because we had no one else to rely on. I am a good student, currently ranked first in my class. But, It was not easy because as the only Asian in a majority white town, I had to go day to day hearing others(including teachers)make racist comments at me. I worked my butt off to get my scores. However, my mom never pressured me to be the best academically. My success is not a result of my race, but the result of my hard work, perseverance, and self determination. I want to go to top tier college, but it is extremely unfair that I have to score so much high on any standardized test to have a good shot of getting accepted just because of my race that I was born into.
It is not fair to stereotype type any groups of people because there are always exceptions. I believe that affirmative action should not use race to try and “diversify” schools, and instead use factors such as circumstances, environment, and socioeconomic status. Because we are all human, and different skin color does not make us different, true diversity is the difference of ideas,opinions, and beliefs. Our race does not set us apart from one another, only our mind can make us unique.
Alexandra Cent top of your class and this is how you write? I don’t know what school you go to. But this kind grammar definitely won’t get you into Harvard. Sorry!
christian Martin what is all this hatred coming from. She never even mentioned her grade. Plus, English test such as ap English and sat essay test-are based off ideas and sentence structure instead of grammar.
Alexandra Cent
Affirmative action is what gets minorities into Harvard. ( including asians ) Legacy admission is affirmative action for whites to get in to Harvard.
Harvard is a predominantly white school thats not going to change anytime soon. Sorry to burst your bubble but its not.
When u choose to go to schools like that expect to be in the minority group. It appears that asians are the biggest minories group in Harvard. Just be happy with that, goodness.
Highschooler bullying is common nowadays, even the teacher join it, poor america
@@gatorwoman6515 Affirmative Action DOES NOT include Asians. It privileges the blacks and Hispanics.
there should be absolutely no “bonuses” or “penalties” on SAT tests
Yes there should be because she said in the video that we do not all have the same opportunities.
Yeah it’s very stupid. All it does is deny deserving students of getting accepted into their well deserved schools and instead allows non qualified students to get accepted into schools they are not good enough for. Being poor and Hispanic didn’t stop me from working my ass off and nailing my SAT
@@wetbubbles1538 However, richer students have access to tutors and prep courses, which are also less common in communities of color. It's possible for you to be poor and Hispanic and work your ass of to get a 1600, but while you're doing that, a random Asian affluent kid spends less than 1/4th of the time you're spending on that for the same outcome, so they have more time for other activities that make them look better for college. Moreover, it's more probable that an asian-american is richer than a hispanic-american due to discriminatory immigration policies against poorer or less educated Asians and things like Jim Crow, which hindered black people. Colleges aren't saying it's impossible for a poor black or brown person to have the same grades, they're just saying it's harder, so for the same amount of effort, there's a different outcome. Obviously the best solution would be to attack the problem at it's core, dismantle the remains of segregation in school, distribute resources amongst schools more equally, but do you really think the people pushing to end affirmative action would take those as the next step?
@@yonboi6644 Now, if that's the case. These bonuses and penalties should be given to students based on average income of families in different geographic locations not based on race. There are impoverished Asian families as there are also affluent black families. If Harvard makes a generalization claim that Asian families have more resources, then how is it any different from stereotyping or being racist?
Another case can be made from cultural differences. Asian families will go great lengths to make sure their kids get the best education. I know an Asian family of which both parents worked minimum wage jobs, moved to a suburb, rented an apartment in a A+ school district, cutting corners to make ends meet, grinded it out for 4 years so their kid can finish high school. Not every culture prioritize education over everything else. Some other cultures, parents may prioritize booze, and drugs over getting their kids school supplies. Why should a kids from a family who made sacrifices to prioritize education get penalized over another kid whose family prioritize booze over the child's education? This is clearly a social cultural issue than an inequality issue.
@@DZ-bz1ww Exactly, because Asian kids usually have parents with higher standards and access to community centers and such that tutor and teach SAT, ACT, etc. even if they're less rich, they'll still usually have an advantage simply for proximity of resources. Also, colleges will take into account if a black person is rich or if a poor person is Asian when assessing how hard it was to achieve what they had.
Imagine being a black legacy athlete. 595 bonus points on the sat, you crushed it before you even walked in
BigBoy 5.56mm I’m less than 25% white and I’m a dude
@@what-gr1lt he deleted his comment because he wrong
I would rather be a mediocre white guy. not interested in having 400 years of slavery in my family and abuse for the last 150 years just to get into harvard.
@@Evili555 what was the comment?
Why doesn’t every applicant just get assigned a number rather than having to share their name and race? His or her family’s income and their socioeconomic background can still be shared because it would explain to the admission officers why he or she may have not had access to as many opportunities like AP classes etc.
Tumbling Tardigrades If colleges want to prove they are not racist, they will do that but they want to remain racist while still being able to make up excuses.
Do you think racism is over because slavery is??? Affirmative action is a form of EQUITY. Yes, there is equality of opportunity but that tolerates inequality. Also, stop undermining the mental and physical bondage that my ancestors encountered for CENTURIES. You expect black people to perform at a certain level when we still face redlining issues that contribute to the quality of education we obtain. Race will forever be socially significant!!! Stop trying to advocate for a color blind society when my people were killed and still are being lynched because of their fucking skin color. Yes, the adversities we have to face because of our skin color is tough but the unwavering strength my people represent makes me proud to be black. even though we have been marginalized for years we manage to love our blackness. I WILL PERSERVE MY HISTORY! Just because you don’t value the history of your race as I do doesn’t mean I don’t value how race has contributed to my identity and story. And if an applicant wants to express that they should have the fucking right to do so.
janae jackson the Chinese that immigrated to America were treated horribly. Japanese Americans that were sent to concentration camps and came out with nothing recovered within a generation. If you constantly point the finger at the past you will never have the ability to move forward.
@@janaejackson9683 This kind of common victim mentality will always limit most blacks from achieving the highest of their potential. Why looking for someone to give them freebies instead of working for it like other races. Do you think blacks are the only who suffered in the past, or they are the only who care about their race? How narrow minded are you? Already disrespecting other races and refuses to recognize hard work of others. Grow up, buddy.
@@janaejackson9683 well that was a whole lot of strawmanning. Nobody is denying the racism that afflicts black americans. But the fact must be brought to light that affirmative action is just another form of discrimination, and that in order to correct the inequality of opportunity, we must correct the sources of it and not the effects. Reverse discrimination is not a morally valid path forward.
I'm Asian in Australia. This kind of thing doesn't exist at all here.. This is madness. Thank you for speaking on behalf of Asians by the way.
What do you mean? It does exist here for certain subjects especially in Health science, like they'd have a minimum number of admissions reserved for the aboriginals and pacific islanders.
Gentiles runa admissions in australia
It should be color blindness and based on socioeconomic status.
Andrew Hong Of course race is still and always be a factor. But maybe discipline issue is one of the factors regarding your example.
Do you know why Clarence Thomas, the second African American to serve on the Supreme Court, hate affirmative action?
After graduating from Yale Law School, he was not taken seriously by interviewers because they thought he got special treatment.
I think socioeconomic status as a whole is hard to group. Some kids that make a decent amount of money may go to noncompetitive high schools and thus not receive the same opportunities as kids who make the same amount of money in a better school. I personally go to a bad noncompetitive public high school in southern New Jersey right next to the poorest section of NJ. We just don't have the same opportunities as kids up north. My parents make a combined income of $160k per year but it really doesn't feel like I have equal opportunities as other kids because of my school. It should be a much deeper process that takes into account the amount of opportunities a kid is surrounded by and the quality of high school a kid goes to.
Good point. But I think college admission officers will definitely expect you to have a higher sat compare to other students in your high school since you can gain more access to better test prep materials.
Actually, there is some benefits for being a student in non-competitive high school because colleges do not want people to assume they have traditional "feeder" high school.
it's most likely a social problem that led to these "racist" college app processes. it's highly likely that in holistically considering economic statuses, colleges end up "favoring" certain races, intentionally or accidentally. asians households have increased avg income in american, where as blacks and latinos have much lower household incomes. so, in the process colleges end up picking up more blacks and latinos regardless.
yeah ive never seen a teacher bully or call out a nice black or latino kid just cuz of his skin color nor have i heard or seen a teacher not help a kid cuz his black or latino. sure that might happen somewhere out there in the ether but that doesnt mean every black or latino kid should best get brownie pts becuz of the potential that some group out there is maliciously plotting to oppress blacks and latinos. it sounds absurd. unless they have a kkk near them, in the usa there is plenty of room for social and economical mobility, and that includes education
The problem is that Asian Americans help fuel this bias. I showed this to my parents and they said "You are on the disadvantage side, so you have to do best to compete" which is not the point!!! Because everyone has this idea of "being the best" and getting perfect scores on everything, we make it impossible for anyone with mediocre/"honest" scores to get through (by honest I mean scores that actually indicate what their performance is like, not just their test-taking skills). But because EVERYONE's mindset is like this, and we all think of it as a competition where we have to be the top, it's only going higher up and it's not changing. We're stuck between a rock and a hard place by disadvantaging ourselves. We can't get mediocre scores because if we do we won't even be regarded against all the other Asians with perfect scores, but if we get perfect scores (that rlly arent indicative of our ability to succeed) we're fueling the problem. I hope it got the idea through I'm not rlly sure how to put it into words.
I believe (as an asian american myself) that these stereotypes of nerdy, quiet, good-scoring asian started because of our parents who keep on pushing us to get good scores and nothing else, and is now fueled by students like you said. That breaks most children and turns them into these people who are overly competitive and quiet because they view everyone as an enemy. And by that time, it's likely we're teenagers going to college therefore what the college sees. My parents told me "oh that means you have to work harder than everyone else to be better" *massive asian sigh*
You're talking about a different topic. You're talking about high expectations placed on Asian kids by their parents which is cultural. The topic in the video is bias against Asians by college admissions. Having high expectations on your kids did not "cause" the bias. The bias is internal from the institution.
White gentiles are penalized more than asians
@@nephilimpower1351 WDYM gentiles? Apart from the fact that your statement is incorrect, how are Ashkenazi Jews (who are genetically middle eastern) treated different?
i stan an educated and evidence-based queen
FreakinHateGale45 the educated jumped out; wig FLEW
Other tutors could NEVER
It’s not just in college admissions. racial Discrimination exists in the job market too. Even in dating, asian men and black women are seen as less desirable by tinder data. Life is not fair.
@Jonas E. It is discrimination when you purposefully don't don't someone due to the color of their skin. A lot of people on dating apps already have the idea, "I don't like Asian men" or "I don't like black women". With this in their head, they don't take into account the person's personality, etc.
@@arianna5566 You can't control someone else's preference, and you wouldn't want the same thing happening to you.
@@Ashingda liking someone is preference, disliking is not a preference
@@RacleandRaHill That's ridiculous because they are opposites on the same scale. Using that logic, if you like spicy food it's a preference but if you dislike spicy food it's not a preference?
"Is Harvard Racist?"
Yes, and the value of a Harvard degree is plummeting because of that fact. However, Harvard does not see their own immoral racism and will eventually suffer the consequences.
@@frankezike9900 where did they ever say that yale was easier to get into?
No one wants to talk about this because this is "uncomfortable truth."
Everyone wants to talk about this because it avoids the gentile elephant
As an African American...it can be sorta frustrating when your work is discredited or people just find it “so amazing” when u actually try and get a good grade. Racism does exist...bias exists...but I just...
Want to go to school. Lol. Why does it have to be so complicated? Treat others as you would treat yourselves. Right?
Unless humans are blind.
It has to be complicated bc university positions esp in top schools are scarce so it’s a complicated tangle to see who gets that scarce thing
KodixBerri never seen you call out affirmative action if you actually worked hard
whites gotta pay....
and the payment is baby hands.
It is what it is African Americans have to deal with how people feel and think about us in addition to them trying to cripple us so my question to you is do you want to trade places with us?
I fully understand what you are saying, but I have to disagree with your solution. Fixing racism with more racism will only make the situation more complicated and messy. Instead of trying to fix the problem at college admission level what should have been done is suppling more funding to Black/Hispanic elementary/high schools. Address the root problem instead of trying to balance the scale in the later stages.
It's not just a lack of funding at that level of eduction that is to blame. There are other factors: how students are treated by their teachers and administrators, their family, their economic status, etc. She went over these "systemic" issues in the video.
I completely agree with you as well, but we have to think realistically here. In a capitalistic country like America, it’s going to be extremely difficult not to have marginalized groups without breaking the fundamentals of what capitalism entails. Essentially, attacking the root issues of this problem is extremely difficult, while this current solution of affirmative action is far less difficult.
I’m not saying I agree with affirmative action, I actually think it does more harm than good like you said. Unfortunately though, it’s probably all we’re going to see as a solution because we’re so divided in this country and can’t seem to work as one force to solve the real issues at play.
I say we go to Canada 🇨🇦
Which is the same
I agree with what Brooke says seriously. I’m a black female and I’m about to start college in the fall at Georgetown. I watch a lot of videos on CZcams about college rejections and some of these people have REALLY GOOD merit and I don’t even have half of what they’ve accomplished. But because I haven’t accomplished most of what they have, my hard work is discredited? For me, I had to grow up homeless most of my life. I always had to worry about what I was going to eat at night. Those are some things that some people will NEVER have to worry about. And I was still able to go to school most days and still be valedictorian of my class (my high school wasn’t that good) and I didn’t even get one “5” on my AP tests. For some, those are things that they can do in their sleep. For me, I take great pride in my accomplishments even though they may not be seen as “praiseworthy” to others. In my college admissions essay, I was able to talk about how my experiences shaped me to be humble and have an understanding that everyone doesn’t grow up the same. I wrote about how I would never let a situation or circumstance define my life. But more so in America, you just see “riches to riches.” If I am apart of this “affirmative action group,” I’m glad honestly. It allows me to have those opportunities I WISH I had growing up - the true definition of “rags to riches.” And even though I may have gotten accepted in Georgetown I still have to work hard to compete with everyone else. I feel like me getting accepted just gave me a chance to scale equally with everyone else. And a lot of people ask me do you feel academically unequipped to attend Georgetown? And in my head I say YES, of course, but I wouldn’t have to feel that way if we all grew up the same and had the same opportunities. I’m tired of walking into a classroom and my peers praise me for being really smart or being the smartest in the room when I’m really not. But going to a place where kids scored a 36 on the ACT their first time doesn’t scare me, but instead gives me hope that if I surround myself around those kinds of people, I can be just like them, regardless of where I started. I need growth and I’m ready to work so hard for it because that’s just who I am. So that when I do finish my education, I can come back to the broken communities I was born in, and lift those kids up. A lot of times people, especially where I grew up, don’t want to hear a living testimony, they want to see one and I feel like me going to Georgetown helps me be that for them. Thanks for listening! (:
Mariah Sheppard The problem is that affirmative actions mostly help privilege minorities.
So a black privileged students that go to a school in rich neighbourhood are more likely to get accepted than a poor asian kids.
Not all white kids and Asian kids have great opportunities growing up and some of them have to go through what you have experienced, yet they are likely to not be accepted because of their race.
im sorry that u had a bad childhood but this is not fair. there are other races which get high scores which are denied because you are black. ur a black girl right. what about the white girl or the asian girl that didn't get in because they are not black. this is racism of the highest order.
Mariah, you're right on point. This is not racism. People in the comment section make it seem like they're admitting black students with c averages into prestigious universities. They're recruiting people of color who have shown that they have tremendous potential, despite the unfortunate misgivings of their life experiences. I am black male, and like yourself, i grew up in a poor, educationally deficient, and violent community. I didn't have the best grades, I was more of a B+ to A- student, but I always worked hard and was able to attend a pretty good school based on my potential. Needless to say, i thrived in college and eventually parlayed my educational experience into a great job. I think people are missing the point on why AA is necessary in some cases. It can do some good when applied right.
The short answer: Yes they are. Never had I thought this of Harvard. This was both disappointing and insulting. Harvard admissions process is definitely racist.
Your analysis was awesome! I find it very rare that someone can really articulate including African-Americans like myself the challenges of systemic bias in America. As a man of color, it was so very nice to feel understood in this public forum. Thank you for using your amazing platform to bring this into the dialogue.
Seddu Eugene site as long as you still a pass
When she said some kids had to get a job to help put food on the table, I felt it in my soul.
I'm black, but I really feel for my Asian friends who have to go through this.
Hey Brooke first of all thank you for your act prep course. I went from a 22 to a 34. I'm super excited and scared to apply to my dream school: Columbia and Yale. I been reading so many articles about it and I fall into the box of Asian American(Chinese). I don't know what do to increase my chances of being admitted.
JOSH!!! OMG!!! 12 points!?!?! You should be so proud!! We are so excited for you. Thank-you for sharing. Congrats on your score. We'll be doing more videos on how to craft your essays this summer. That is probably your best bet at this point. Write AWESOME essays. Also DO AN INTERVIEW. I find interviews usually help students (esp given this recent data!!).
What grades were you in when you got a 22 and 34? Did you only improve by the prep course or did you go to academies/have tutors/buy workbooks, etc?
tips??
OMG wow. This is what I like to see. good job!! any tips? I’m trying to go from 23 to a 30 or above.
Also, how long did you prepare for the ACT before getting that score
Hard work is hard work. It doesn't matter what race, gender, religion,etc you are, NO ONE should get a penalty or boost simply because of who they were born as. Generalizations and stereotypes made by society, shouldn't be considered in the admissions process. EVERY RACE has people who are super underprivileged and super privileged. Simply seeing that an individual who is a certain race that may be OVERALL less economically fortunate and giving them a massive boost is utterly unfair. That individual very much could be extremely privileged. In the college admissions process, factors about an individuals race, gender, religion, etc shouldn't be used to penalize them and take away their hard work.
What would it do for Harvard to ONLY admit students with a 4.0 GPA and super high sat scores ?? 😂
@@janaejackson9683 Insure that black people aren't three times more likely to graduate with a gpa of lower than 2.5 than white people 😂😂😂😂😂
Kev I honestly think, as an Asian American student in the US, that affirmative action might pull certain Asians away from the typical minority votes democrat voting block, because democrat policies like this show the horrors of treating people as a member of a collective group(race, gender) rather than as individuals
@@SwagDawg elaborate
@@Lodocihel Harvard is much more lenient with test scores and gpa when admitting "marginalized" races and ethnicities, resulting in them doing worse in college. That is being attributed to racism when in reality they just aren't as smart, aren't as hardworking, any combination of the two that results in them doing worse in college.
The smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities. - Ayn Rand.
Utkarsh Dave Sahni yup ..that's a real thing
its not fair that i wasnt born 6'7 with the physique of lebron james. i need the NBA to lower the rim for me. seriously.
If that's sarcasm, then you missed the whole point and you can take your ignorance and leave.
Sounds a bit more like: If you're black and under 6'7" you can't join the NBA, all other ethnicities only need to be over 4'0". Raising the bar for blacks because a lot of them are tall and athletic.
Penalty on Asian American students? How can that be fair?
I watched a video of the Fung Bros take on this particular issue, one of the brothers suggested assigning admits a series of random numbers and then when the admissions committee reviews the application. The application does not contain the admit's name, race, only the SAT score, essays, activities, etc. Sure, the admit's identity might be understood in the essay but there is no sure way to know if the person is actually African-American or Asian American etc. Thoughts?
You're going to college to learn. People that are qualified should be able to attend. It's not about how "likeable" or "cool" you are. Getting into college seems like a lottery these days.
Getting into a top college looks on the outside like a lottery, but here's the thing:
1/ top students DO get into colleges. In fact, many of them go to places like Northeastern, UMass Boston, WPI.
2/ If you picked well (and academics are part of "fit"), you will likely end up at a college that you'll like.
3/ It's not haphazard or random if you take the time to understand "the system."
Thank you for talking about this. Race is a huge topic when considering college admissions, whether some people believe it is more racist with the policies or believe it prevents racism, it happens.
id like to know more about how much of an advantage being an underrepresented minority is exactly; some sources say it gives you a dramatic hook and others say it barely matters at all.
Indeed! Most Asian boys/girls applying to Harvard ought to get penalised for the following 'SYSTEMIC' reasons (bias?!) that 'favoured' them:
1) Being raised in a family of two parents (predominantly) and for the larger unforgivable reason of them being happily/ unhappily married still
2) Having both parents as graduates (however hard they may have struggled to acquire them in the developing country they came from)
3) For growing up in an environment that placed more emphasis on academics than say Basketball, Baseball, Football, Swimming etc.
4) For having elders and cousins in extended family, who enquire about studies, grades, future plans and raise the bar consistently
5) For forsaking opportunities to 'chill out' and working their a$$ off, improving their competitiveness whenever possible
Innumerable, endemic and entrenched are these 'systemic' bias factors. In fact, they are so abhorrent that no other group should envy or emulate these.
The world will be a much better place if such 'systemic' bias is identified and rooted out in all spheres of society - e.g. why should more Whites win Olympic medals in Swimming - perhaps because their bone density and family propensity to spend more time outdoors is part of their White Privilege. Why should NBA be dominated by African American presence - perhaps their towering physique and adorable style is a result of African genetic Privilege. It will be great if equality of outcome is ensured across the board and not just academic corridors of excellence.
I've always believed that interviews are the best way to assess an applicant. So much more about an applicant can be revealed in face-to-face conversation than over paper: personality, thought-process, excitement about the school, etc.
People, People People there are a lot of other colleges besides Harvard 🤦🏾♀️
Queen of Swords the problem is that other schools are using similar admissions systems as Harvard
ruiqi22 actually no...The private university I attend gives fill rides to Asian Americans !!!
@@janaejackson9683 That's sweet of them, but financial aid comes after admissions, right?
ruiqi22 well duh.. how would a school logically give you money if you don’t attend?? So I don’t get your point... But look up the community scholars program where they specifically look for Asian, Hispanic, and African Americans to come. If you only wanna focus on elite schools than fine...
@@janaejackson9683 No, I mean the financial aid package. Because financial aid is very different from admissions; admissions is based off standards of GPA, extracurricular involvement, etc. while financial aid usually just considers what you need. So Asian Americans getting full rides would just mean they're poor, right?
Race shouldn’t be on a college application. Period. This would end any argument and admission would be solely based on merit and qualifications.
Race is not a bad thing!! It’s okay to be Asian American. It’s okay for me to be BLACK. However, the implicit biases and stereotypes that come with a race is not okay. But we shouldn’t ignore race all together. Race is apart of my identity. Instead people should acknowledge someone’s race but NOT ACT on those fallacious beliefs.
Well, documents Harvard was forced to produce show they judged Asians as a group consistently low on "personality" ratings that included: "attractive to be with", "likability", "courage", "helpfulness". Really? How does one judge another on those qualities from an application or a 5-10 min interview? (fyi: They looked at over 160,000 Asian students) It's the subjective biases of the admissions committee.
How do they determine a "good" personality? Seems like "systemic bias" would work against Asians, not for them.
Yeah-- I think there are two kinds of systemic bias I'm talking about in the video-- one that is working against Asian Americans in the actual admissions process (and likely in "everyday" life as well), and one that is working against underrepresented minorities in ways that are difficult to pinpoint but whose presence is supported by many social science studies of potential factors influencing the achievement gap.
Probably more to do with how you act and answer the questions.
They ask certain questions about why you choose to come here.... why you choose your nominated subjects etc... and your task is to be enthusiastic and engaging with the interviewer. Make it flow a back and forth, make sure you get them hyped up, and complement what they say, but don't go too overboard.
I'm Asian btw, and got those places despite my pretty average GPA. Meanwhile, other white and non-asian minority students got rejected despite a piss high GPA.
"Good Personality" means in their warped mind whether they see you as a drink buddy and party goer. Hope this makes sense.
An old testemant personality is the criteria
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that's why i never dated an asian dude...bc dating isn't Hmong
I'm Chinese, adopted when I was just over a year old. My father is an older Caucasian who was brought up in a household where his dad only graduated the 8th grade and his mom was a grade school secretary. His family didn't help him study, after about the 6th grade, they couldn't help him. When it was time for college he said his dad said "Well, you're kinda smart guess you better figure out how to go to college." He was from a small town that had a terrible counseling system that never spent much time with the students as they weren't really expected to go to anything but the local community college. After graduating college, he makes sure I don't have those same disadvantages. I also have Asian friends that their parents spend no time with, certainly not the 20 minute average per day. To try to norm based on some semi-related statistics within races seems to me that as much as it compensates for lack of equal opportunity, it also harms. If it is truly about merit and overcoming obstacles at the same time, it would be better to ask those individual questions and make a decision independent of race. And not rewarding largely for merit sets up a nation at a disadvantage in the world because global competition doesn't care what race you are...it cares what you can create and accomplish.
Yes, I believe Asians are hurt the most, especially the Southeast Asians who I don't think in general perform as well as the rest of the Asians and yet they're all lumped under one category.
Also Asians too have experienced struggles, same ones as the Blacks and the Hispanics, (low income, bad neighborhood, drugs, gangs, absent parents because they have to work 2/3 jobs etc.) but also different ones such as language barriers for those that don't speak English well, and being labeled and called names by other kids because they are "quiet, timid, nerdy" etc.
Like you said it's difficult because the schools may be trying to make it more of a fair game because some populations in general as a whole are clearly disadvantaged. BUT within every population each individual may have had their own very difficult struggles. i.e you may have a poor black family but with loving and supported parents, vs an affluent Asian family that were overly strict on their kids causing them to either have a nervous breakdown or be outright rebellious ....
So I think really, we should just do away with reporting race and ethnicity when it comes to college apps.
Brooke, this was a great video! I agree with the statement that a meritocracy won't work because people aren't given equal opportunities, but some people definitely use affirmative action to their advantage. I have heard of many cases where people who are 1/8 African and upper-class mark themselves as African on their application and get into amazing schools, while lower-class white and Asian applicants with greater achievements get rejected from those same schools--I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure this happens due to racial differences. This leads me to think that socioeconomic status AND, to a lesser extent, race should be taken into account during the college admissions process.
Affirmative action by definition is racist. It shouldn’t matter how much melanin you have rather your circumstances. There a people that have great opportunities in their childhood and there are people who have a very rough childhoods.
I think even if I’m Eurasian , they still gonna consider me as Asian, I hate how teens like me have to undergo those kind of issues and already think about possible failure before the mission even starts. That’s not how it works, America :(
Circle in white
ohdaUtube I can’t, that’d be so confusing
Anna Dobre Eurasian, yes? Take advantage. Don't put yourself at a disadvantage when you don't have to. The system is severely flawed
Some people claim they are black when they have one black grandparent.
Anna Dobre, pick multicultural on the race blank. I do it myself, I'm 70% Asian and 30% European. Overall, I look Asian but with light brown hair. I'm not put Asian on the blank and decrease my chances
Well before Affirmative Action, there were always valedictorians and other excellent students who didn't get in. Harvard could fill its class with valedictorians every single year but it doesn't. Test scores and GPA are an important part of admissions but are never the only criteria...Never has been probably will never be.
I have a random question: Why do colleges care about your extracurricular activities? I'm currently a junior in HS, I'm thinking about colleges, and I'm afraid that colleges won't accept me because the only extracurricular activities I've committed to are Peer Mediation, Environmental club, and afterschool science programs at the American Museum of Natural History(I'm from NYC btw). Do I need to do more in order to get accepted to a good college? My average GPA is usually in the high 80's to low 90's (My most recent average was 94).
I agreed with everything apart from the last half of the video.
It's dangerous to toe the line that other ethnic minorities should receive affirmative action because of the systemic racism and social factors they face, because it assumes that Asian people in America and the West do not experience poverty, racism, household struggles (physical abuse, alcoholic parents) and more.
I agree that affirmative action is needed but it should be purely on socioeconomic income. There have also been studies that back-up this need for socioeconomic AA, as they show that non-privately educated students catch up and surpass their privately educated classmates at undergrad and postgrad level.
Every time you create quota, you will always deny someone a place!
You can never justify that.
Does Asian-American include everyone from Asia or just East Asia. I just want to know where I fit as a South Asian-American
it does include everyone from asian
Everyone from asia
No it only includes East Asians (eg China, Japan, India, Philippines, Taiwan, Korea etc).... Arabs, Russians and Eurasians are classified white in USA!
Actual fact of the matter is most of these students or India or China...but they include all other countries from Asia.....
@@jefrreyjeffery2192 girl what Indians aren’t east asians tf you on about.. 💀 we’re south asian and most of these studies although include us never actually state that Indian Americans or south Asians face this struggle which is bs. Most of these issues only act like only East Asians go through this when south asians go through it too we’re just never acknowledged for it which is bs
The analysis in this video is so much better and more nuanced than anything I've seen in a news segment or heard in daily conversation. More people need to watch this video.
It doesnt address the gentile elephant in the room
Thank you for the video. Why personal rating on Blacks was not mentioned? They get the highest points on the personal rating. Are the meritocracy and equal opportunity considered in NFL and NBA? Is there any affirmative action and diversity for Asians in NFL and NBA?
I have no problem if ivy league take too 1% graduates of each high school. I have no problem if ivy league admission policies favor low income students. It troubles me when a school favors one feature that was born with and no way to change.
Thank you for discussing this!!! I love your channel so much, please do more of these controversial topics. Beautifully thought out video presentation, so maturely done ❤️As an Indian American myself, my parents worked their asses off and came from villages with no running water and made it to get secure IT jobs. My entire life I’ve been laughed at for my parents’ broken English and mannerisms, and I’m going to work my ass off just like my parents to go to a good school AND THE CARDS ARE STACKED AGAINST US?? I completely understand that decades ago, black people had to be taken to school by the freaking army and that they often don’t come from environments that push success at school. Nevertheless, hard work is hard work. I’m sick and tired of this, and a black kid who’s parents are millionaires should not be given more preference than a white kid who lives homeless. These are my thoughts, I’m not trying to exude hate in whatever way. Just a freshman in high school who wants to contribute the discussion.
love the username LOL
I really agree with you that hard work is hard work. However I feel that a black kid with millionaire parents vs a white homeless kid is not likely to be given preference based on race - colleges use race because they are trying to account for the difference in opportunity, even if they are doing it with unfair consequences. In this case, someone who lives in a super rich family obviously has more opportunity than someone who is homeless. Basically, I think it's wrong to use that example to demonstrate racism in colleges like harvard because those specific circumstances are very different from the average applicants whether they are black or white, and most people are neither homeless nor millionaires 🤷
(just my two cents have a good day)
Well the black student would simply not have an advantage. You should look more into affirmative action because you might actually be for it.
If you write in your essays about your parents’ struggles influencing you, your background (main common app essay topic) SHOWS your struggle. I am the daughter of an African immigrant and I wrote about my dad’s poverty across the world and I was let into Ivy League schools but ALSO BECAUSE MY SCORES WERE TOP 99TH PERCENTILE. If you grow up in America having people scream out of cars telling you to get out of their neighborhood, going around to “every table but the black ones” to talk about school spirit weeks, being the ONLY BLACK STUDENT IN THE TOP TEN IN A SCHOOL THAT’S 45% BLACK, being one of 3-5 black students in AP classes with more than 30 students, creating fundraisers, being either president/Vice President in 4 clubs and drum major and flute section leader in an audition only band, volunteering to teach instrument lessons, volunteering nearly every weekend for the school band, and having a terrible home life, then I’d consider a black student qualified.
I worked my ass off since the day I could read in order to compete with students in an area that wouldn’t discriminate about my race. My family didn’t have money to send me to a 40% Asian private school. My school is ranked in the bottom 25% of my state YET I DID IT. I succeeded with my 4.0, top marks at State band festivals, innumerable summer program scholarships and research. There are so many circumstances that you don’t account for when you just say stuff like that. My dad barely made it out of a country with a dictatorship and a hobby of killing people from my ethnic group. Nearly all of his friends are dead from disease and poverty. Yet I made it.
Thank you for this video. It was very eye opening and it even gave me an idea about the topic of my college essay :).
Meritocracy should absolutely be a system in our schools. Capitalism is what gives those people (as long as they stay diligent in school and gain merit) a fighting chance. It’s really hard to be completely screwed over to the point of success being absolutely impossible to achieve. Besides, I believe opportunity is pretty damn near equal. If it weren’t, we’d have discussions about it... like this. I think it’s weak to not let Asians in due to “personality bias” when they’re scoring higher than other races. That’s dumb.
What great options
1) the meritocracy that makes it really hard for a lot of minorities
2) giving them bonus points that puts minorities in these schools when they are not prepared not necessarily by any fault of their own
Can you please explain questbridge and tips about applying for scholarships
yes please
No race question on your application, assign a number so they don’t see the name. Also, no socioeconomic data either because that is a huge Pandora’s box and will lead to many “bust” students.
David Warburton Race is okay😂😂 stop trying to eliminate apart of my identity and sense of self in the application process just to push a certain agenda. I’m a smart individual but I also used my college essay to express my experiences and love of my race. So I should not be allowed to talk about that huh? 😂
@Melanated Princess The asians are competing against each other bro.
This is insane on so many levels. The idea that your "likeability" is a factor is shocking to me. You work your behind off for years and then you`re screwed because some admissions officer doesn`t "like" you?
Then the bonus for African American students and the malus for Asians! Unbelieveable! Yes, i get what you said about opportunities not being equal, but discriminating against Asians is not the answer.
Besides, it`s simply nonsense to assume that all Asians (or Whites for that matter) live in nurturing, stable, financially secure families with access to good schools while all African Americans have to cope with every possible disadvantage.
The solution: don`t favour people who aren`t good enough but might have been had the circumstances been different. Spend money on improving those circumstances so that in future all kids have a better chance of fulfilling their potential and actually earn admission in a fair competition.
I thoroughly enjoy this topic. As an Asian American, I will say that there are LOTS of racial bias. We have “personality.” There are some amazing Asians who work their butts off and do extremely well activities worth the acceptance. Sure, grades aren’t everything, but I know lots of Asians who don’t just do grades.
Affirmative Action should be based on socioeconomic status and income. If underrepresented minorities are truly victim to systemic bias then they will still receive Affirmative Action. However, doing this will also benefit low incom Asian Americans. There are a vast amount of low income Asian Americans born into the same circumstances as African Americans and Hispanic Americans who have the same opportunities (or lack thereof) and have to work just as hard but get screwed over during college applications simply because of their Asian race
Brandon Arrastia Even socioeconomic status should be taken with careful consideration because to some people who have to work full time and have 3.0 gpa are a lot more impressive than people who receive 4.0 gpa but does not have to work full time. However, the people who got 3.0 gpa while working full time might only get 3.5 gpa even if all barriers are removed.
And honestly, I don’t want to hear “You only got in because you are poor”
Brandon Arrastia
How do u get money from potential alumni donors when your students barely had any money coming into college and their families is poor. Oh, there will be students like that get in, but only in small numbers. They still needs the rich kids to pay there bills. We are talking about a prestige school here.
On a similar topic, I’m Egyptian so middle eastern and I really don’t want to check off “white” on my college apps even though some applications say “including middle eastern origin”. I feel like if I check it off I’ll be perceived differently and if I check other I’ll also be perceived differently. I just want to get into a good school... I understand what poverty is since I’ve lived in it but I pushed my self and the situation changed for me and I live in a majority white suburb now. I feel like checking off white doesn’t show who I am because I’m not white, I’m an Egyptian immigrant who was in English Language Learners classes until 1st grade. I’m an Egyptian who went to a school rated 1 on great schools (take that with a grain of salt because great schools kind of sucks) and ended up in an extremely competitive high school rated a 9. I feel like when colleges see my high school they’ll just assume I’m something or the other when colleges will never know my story or who I am or how I am successful because it all relies on a couple of essays and scores.
This is very eye opening. Thank you for posting. Maybe a solution could be to do race blind admissions and possibly add economic information to the application to get a story about challenges a student may have faced. They could also add sections that explain personal challenges that a student may have faced (family member dying, shortage of money, etc). I also agree with what you said in the video about interviews. Every student should have an opportunity to express themselves with a face to face opportunity. I can see how Economic factors to show challenges, grades, and essays demonstrate how a student will perform at a particular Institution, but I am baffled that the color of one’s skin has any relevance. As MLK once said “I have a dream that my 4 little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.” I hope and pray that this land of opportunity will work towards moving forward towards more just programs instead of deciding the fate of a student based on the color of their skin. Who knows, maybe these programs have prevented people from becoming world changing doctors, policy makers, engineers, and artists. Please post more videos on this topic!
Thanks for at least getting the conversation going. There is no question the elite colleges discriminate against Asians.
Hey, how do you know my nick name?
And there are institutions that discriminate against black in every sociable aspect !
You need to be more specific. They discriminate against chinese, korean, and japanese people. They discriminate against white gentiles even moreso
@@nephilimpower1351 and indians
When she said race is a systemic issue 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻 preach
I'm glad that you noticed this controversy and stated your opinion as a person who is involved in the education system, thank you
I'm an Asian American with ADHD, like dude... I have it hard enough trying to catch up to others, but with the higher standards? It's like impossible. I work 3 times harder than everyone else to even be AVERAGE as an Asian American. I have to score 450 points higher than a black friend of mine to be considered the same. If I want to be a doctor people ask me whether I actually want to be a doctor or whether my parents want me to be one. I actually WANT to be a doctor. Why are we held to higher standards? I know it's supposed to "curve the flow" Of Asian Americans to give other minorities "a chance" but the numbers don't go down. We just have to keep working harder and harder as the point gap gets larger and larger. If we're more qualified we can get denied a spot so then they can have their "diversity".
Because asians as a whole are really hard working people. Not saying blacks or other minorities aren't, but honestly you guys are just competing against each other.
It suck im worry to hear that honestly and yeah I agree with the comment below me the admission process really has minorities competing against their own minority
i'm studying for the SAT and i'm so mad about this because i already know this is true
Look on the bright side, youre npt a white gentile
7:07 "not fair to create a meritocracy" WTF lady! If you want to help the blacks and latinos to get an education, do some volunteer work in the field of education in poor neighborhoods and ask the government or someone else to sponsor. You have to work for it, you can't rely on racism (affirmative action) to solve it. Applications in higher education should be nameless and genderless.
Hey don't get affected by these negative comments. We trust you and your sayings. Love from India
The person who crosses the finish line first is first, period. We don't stop and say "well, the person who came second tried harder or has family issues" that never happens. So why should we hesitate towards college admissions? The standards should be set the same for everyone, this ensures that the most objectively qualified person gets the pick. What about the people that don't get in? Well Too. Bad. Yes, that IS the only solution, "shockingly", the world does not cater towards one's "feelings", there will always be rejected people who deserve better, but with finite time and finite resources it is a problem that is impossible to be resolved and thus can only be "pushed on" to other people. By cutting an Asian student who scored higher to make room for someone who didn't, you are committing an injustice against a deserving person. In essence, you become what you sought out to destroy, you fix the problem for one person, but in doing so directly causing it for another, you get no net emotional gain out of it and instead make a net objective loss by technically cut a more qualified person (are you starting to see a pattern of where chasing petty emotions gets you?). Wisen up, put facts above feelings and objectives over subjectives.
I understand the need to help underprivileged students. But there’s ABSOLUTELY NO excuse for giving highly privileged white students an edge through Legacy, white privilege sports recruiting, and personal connections at the expense of Asian Americans.
White gentiles lose more points than asians.
Brooke good vid on explaining the myth of equal opportunity, but I think some of the discrepancy in personality rating of AA students is due to the same reason that they perform so highly on standardized testing. High performing AA students often come form third world first or second generation. They drill kids to work harder and harder. So kids focus on more rigid aspects of school (standardized testing) and activities. In turn they neglect the kind of personal development that schools look at in personality ratings
Is it harder for international students to get in? Does this apply to us too?
I think there should be a government agency which you send your applications to (whether it be job or college) and this agency will omit your name, gender, and race and only give the grades, activities, etc. This agency could also tell the colleges if the individual comes from lower backgrounds.
Thanks for actually elaborating on this subject. It is definitely a touchy subject but something that should be corrected.
I think the worst descrimination feel international students
Why does admissions to academic institutions requires nonacademic standards: who their grandfather is, family history, and how fast you run? Imagine the NBA, NFL, and MLB pick players base on their ability to do math, write great essays, and race! Why does admission office get to pick who gets to go to college? These colleges are mostly funded by taxpayers, Harvard gets all of its research grant from the federal government and its low income students get financial aid?
I think maybe a way to improve college admissions is to consider what makes a student IN CONTEXT of his/her opportunities and environment. Idealistic maybe but it seems to me the most fair alternative
This is great. I would love to see you talk about UChicago’s test optional policy, which only seems to *perpetuate* the class divide problem it’s supposedly trying to solve
For the right, fairness is defined as the equilibrium and agreement between two parties, set by the forces of markets (supply and demand).For the left fairness is whatever achieves a goal.
For a right leaning thinker, it’s fair that if he complies with all the academic rules to enter a school in terms of grades and abilities, the fair thing to do is to allow him in that school. For the left, the fair thing to do is to reject him if his individual achievement causes a problem for their overall social engineering plans.
Yup because if you notice the percentage of White students at Harvard in the past decade at least, it remained nearly constant 47-50%.
so like, first come first serve. like a food pantry.
Theres only so much you can do for a child
I wonder why so many teachers leave teaching at schools with Majority african americans
Wtf they said this was constitutional but who in the right mind doesn’t feel uneasy about this penalty and bonus?! Do these people not feel their conscience telling them this is wrong??!
Short answer: YES
Requiring more of Asian in order to get in, is clearly discriminatory.
wow amazing video, I never knew you had these important thoughts on a very controversial topic
What do you recommend ï do to improve my chances of getting admitted in Harvard as im an asian ? Not even american.
i would still prefer a meritocracy over what they have now. If we had a meritocracy, anyone anywhere regardless of race would STRIVE in that direction rather than just getting bonus points
Who ever said life would be fair? Every individual have their own struggles to overcome?
I like how to have discussed the sensitive topics which others are trying to avoid talking about. Keep up the good work.
This topic isnt being avoided, its a shield so people dont have to confront the fact that schools discriminate against white gentiles
Hey guys. I just want to remind you all that getting into the most selective colleges is by definition very difficult-but only a small percentage of the colleges in the United States are selective at all. Don’t stress! You can get an excellent education virtually anywhere. Just seek to learn and build on what you already know. Work hard, and be nice to people. Never feel you are in competition with others, but try to learn both from what they did right, and what they did wrong. Always compete with yourself and see if you can do better than yesterday. Sour grapes about college admissions are such a royal waste of your own mental energy.
I knew a guy who got into University of North Carolina on a full ride with straight C's in high school and remedial math courses. Not an athlete. Take a big guess at race. He used to be a friend, but I kid you not he lied about committing a crime (hitting a dog with truck) and said it was me. Thankfully I had already left the state, so my alibi was pretty rock solid. >_>
I saw somewhere that an Asian student who has 25% chance of getting in into IL uni would have 45% if he was white , 75% if he was Hispanic , and 95% if he was African American
Anna Dobre Where did you see this?
Neris B I don’t remember , unfortunately , and it was 2 years ago
these ppl that are complaining clearly have more than just a 4.0 gpa or a perfect sat score. they are complaining that a similar application, meaning extracurricular,essay, and interview, would result in an asian having a lesser chance than someone of a diff race. the case wouldnt have made it to national tv if it was just some chinese nerd who was cheated. it has been a clear trend and statistics throughout a long period of time. the same thing happened to american jews in the early 1900's. i dont think it's intentional racism, since certain races tend to have better socioeconomic standings. regardless, it's still a big problem. and the whole asians only do well cuz their parents force them to doesnt mean anything. their parents prob did threaten them with a beating if they didnt get a perfect gpa and sat, but shouldnt matter. if anything, it's only becuz parents of other races are negligent in their children's learning. it's not like every asian parent gets 24 hours and then a bonus 20minutes to spend time educating their children. most asian children who get into colleges are first generation college students so their parents were no longer able to help them with work by high school curriculum. asian parents also dont get free money to spend on their children's education..... they made sacrifices that others might not have been willing to make. u act like asian families get a free education welfare plan to support their children's education.
it's prob cuz many state universities only care about football and basketball. idk about hispanics or whites but it's almost a fact that many african americans got their scholarships for sports so academic achievements had minute impact
I don’t get it, why do all people hate asian students so much. Is it a matter of jealousy or what is that? They have less chances of getting accepted because many of them are talented and almost perfect at their studies or any particular area that they are aiming for, and again, that is not because of parents being strict, what, isn’t there any white/Hispanic/African background student who is not forced to do well at school by his/her parents? Why do you act so damn stupid, explaiN. Hence there are many Asians who both succeeded at their studies and have obtained active social lives, the pool is big, so you can’t accept all Asians into one class. Let’s get it straight: asians have them all perfect SATs/ACTs, TOEFL and outstanding extracurriculars, nailed essays, yet, they get the lower chance of acceptance because of the “diversity” that is being made for every class.
This is why I believe there should be more college essays. While this would never fix the problem, I believe it would help admissions committees truly get to see who the student is and all their assets. Having more essays on important, relevant topics would help colleges move past test scores. Again, this is no where near a end all be all solution, but I think it might help.
I think colleges want people who are more evenly rounded. What I've realised with Asian-American students is that they focus too much on the academic side, and not enough on i.e. sports or building their unique personality.
@@chrischoy9 People would be more accepting of the idea if the quotas were for sports or other activities instead of their ethnicity that they cannot change.
That would exacerbate the problem of ethnic nepotism in admissions
So what are white gentiles doing wrong desmond?
Inb4 anti data rant about privilege and not studying
Thank you for addressing and talking about this topic. It's highly controversial but most definitely needs to be discussed civilly, intelligently, and with respect. When I was an African American high school student (many many years ago), I worked hard to achieve academically and was proud of myself when I was accepted into Columbia University. It really angered me when certain people told me I got in because of affirmative actions and insisted that I tell them my GPA and SAT scores. I didn't tell them anything because 1) it was none of their business, 2) they didn't tell me theirs, and 3) I didn't have to prove anything to anybody (especially my Columbia classmates).
My parents migrated to New York City from the deep deep south, Alexandria, Louisiana, in the late 1940s, during the apex of Jim Crow segregation with only an 8th-grade education so they were a part of the millions of working poor Americans. Although they were cheated, denied, and robbed out of an equitable, quality education, they instill in me and my older brother the value of working and studying hard to do well academically in school and that's just what I did. To discount and ignore the legacy of 403 years of slavery, racism, and subjugation in America is completely ignorant. Racism impacts the education of Black Americans to this day! Thank you Supertutor for sharing just a fragment of statistical research data available today that demonstrates this fact.
Completely agree
I absolutely agree with you. Saying that Asians are strong in maths and to envy them and therefore denying them opportunity in biggest universities is damn stupid. We know that most basketball players are black so does Harvard agrees that Blacks have unfair advantage over basketball due to there athletic body structure in which case Asians are skinny and have lower heights?? Are they agreeing to reserve any quotas for Asians in basketball too just because of diversity?? If that is the case then we are turning towards identity politics which don't help anyone. Identity politics just makes poor people more poor and rich people more rich irrespective of race, religion or identity. I don't care if my leader is black, white or brown but one who holds the values of equality and respect.
Looks like Harvard need to take their own racial bias test. I find such a policy (as a black man) patronizing.
Ahhh the modern minority myth 🤔 seems like getting into college is gonna be hard for me being the most average asian ever
I appreciate how woke you are !
My parents never pressured me to get good grades because they did badly and did not go to college.
The pro of that I didn’t cause anymore stress that I was Arendt under and the con is that I didn’t know what to do like what course I want to do.
Affirmative action should be based on socioeconomic statue NOT race. The African American who grew up in a upper middle class family with two parents who attended college has a major advantage over anyone growing up poor and as the first person who will be attending college in their family.
Brooke, I'd love to see more videos regarding race! I'm an Asian American, and I think the best thing to do is to accept the reality. Plus, where you go to school isn't everything that job interviewers look at. They look at your experience and personality aside from academics. Do you know what would be considered a "good" SAT/ACT score for asians then?
For top 10-15 schools, you usually want minimum 34 ACT (35-36 is better), and 1530 SAT with a 750+ on each section (1550 for coasts / big cities / well educated places geographically, i.e. NYC, LA, SF).
I appreciate that you are discussing this. It is in the news after all. Thanks for that.
However I disagee with what you said about meritocracy being unfair. Meritocracy is always the right thing. Its actually the only right thing.
For instance in life:
(a) Sports are based on meritocracy. The fastest sprinter or swimmer wins.
(b) Beauty peagants are based on meritocracy. Most beautiful person usually wins.
(c) Businesses and products are successful or unsuccessful based on merit.
(d) Employment is also meritocracy and more productive employees are paid more.
(e) and on and on
Should slow folks also be awarded a couple of medals just for encouragement? should ugly people sometimes win the peagant? Should slaker employees get higher compensation?
Merit is the most fair thing there is. There can never be any argument against that.
Jawad Malik lmao should a person who runs almost as fast with a broken leg as someone who is healthy be considered slower than the ehathy person? No because the cripple was at a disadvantage. Or it could even be that the runner with the faster time came from a family of athletes while the second place runner came from a fat family. Life does not ensure equal opportunity on everyone. College admissions cannot be equated to something as a race or a pageant because those are straightforward aspects. Open your eyes man.....
Life is unfair. If a person with a broken leg can run fast then such a person does not need any help from the system and will be on the podium on merit. See - merit awlays works. No favors or handouts are necessary under meritocracy.
The problem with providing a 280 point relative advantage to an ethnicity and giving a 50 point penalty is a fundamental one i.e. fairness Just because someone has been dealt an unfair hand in life does not mean that someone else should now be penalized. Thats two wrongs.
Jawad Malik Fighting sports are divided into weight classes because no matter how hard a 5 ft tall man tries, he can't compete with a man twice his size and weight. In sports women compete seperately from men because no matter how hard they try, men simply have the physical advantage. A man born witha cognitive disfunction does not compete at the Olympics, there is a seperate Olympics for those with disabilities. Some people have inherent disadvantages. It's not their fault, they have no control over, but it's still there. Surely we can't expect the dwarf to fight the giant, a woman to match a man, or a man who was dropped as a child to outrun Usain Bolt? Now imagine if the person with the disadvantage succeeds nonetheless. Doesn't that make them more qualified?
Jawad Malik Exactly! I've been saying this forever, why do we have affirmative action in college admissions but nowhere else in life? Example I like is, why is the NFL over 75% Black? We need diversity and affirmative action in favor of whites and Asians with penalties against blacks, right? The answer is always no. And then people start to realize how unfair it actually is and that a meritocracy is the way it should be.
If Canada can do it...
The problem with this issue is that it is impossible to solve through force. The only way to almost completely eliminate bias is through time and social pressure against inappropriate biases. Legislation and forced quotas only serve as a small band-aid on a large wound that simply needs time to heal.
Fairness is so important? Since when has life been fair? Where are all the Asian footballers and rock stars, politicians?Affirmative action is an absurdity obstructive to meritocracy.