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- Hasan Minhaj breaks down the history of affirmative action, its impact on his experience with the modern education system, and how a recent lawsuit against Harvard that could go to the Supreme Court could change it forever.
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Who’s here after the Supreme Court ended affirmative action?
Me
just feeel so disgusted with this video after watching it second time now
Me too. Amazing news for equality
Sad to know a minority group started the snowball that took it down. Didn’t see that coming?
Yowwww 💜
The script is awesome and Hasan is talanted, but the VFX team behind this show is freaking amazing
that is so true.
Mohamed Bahaa yeah that's a good combination of talent , hard work and entertainment, im already a fan
It's a lot like his comedy special, which is sooooo good.
Love patriot act....hate this episode! My worst nightmare realized....2 of the 3 largest minority groups the other being Latinos/ Hispanics outside of mines (black) are proceeding to tear down civil rights advancements none of which they fought for to get into these whites only but now pwi institutions!!! U guys do realize their was a price to pay to change whites only and colored only to integrated!! ..and that price wasn't the boat fare grandma paid for u to come...u guys do realize when we were fighting u could of helped u guys were here watching....now that the heavy lifting is over now u have ideas!!?!! U will have to find out the hard way that destruction of affirmative action/quotas will allow that hate ....prejudice...implicit bias that those universities were literally built on will keep your brown faces out! U watch... and thanks for marginalizing my race continually as if our exceptionalism based in higher educational welfare...our brothers in the struggle for American social equit.y 🤷🏿♂️🖕🏿
As a graphic designer, I find it amazing.
This aged so well. People are asleep on legacy admissions. Every single school will ask you if you are a legacy and I met a lot of kids in college who were legacy with wealthy booster parents and all.
Not asleep. The lawsuits are coming. First left, then right. There are two types of discrimination and now that one of them has been axed, it's possible to go after the other one.
@@truthalonetriumphs6572 Not a chance. The lawsuits will come. But they won't touch it. There's way too much money to lose. Do you realize the enormous monetary benefits these institutions acquire through legacy admissions (e.g. funding for new construction, statues, research, etc, etc)? I'm willing to bet that the majority of our elected officials benefited from legacy admissions.
Ok New law: Nobody can go to the same school their parents went to. Sound fair?
@@Clancy192 no way you went to school and said something this retarded.
@@Clancy192 that doesn't sound fair either
This segment aged like a fine wine. Thank you, Hasan.
except every racial group supports banning affirmative action, except Blacks where it’s 47/53%.
Lmao, clearly in 4 years, people's eyes haven't been opened.
His stance had change since then. This guy only on the side that is winning. So a coward.
Right, it turned into vinegar.
This is one of the worst segments I have ever seen. There's like no cogent argument besides corny jokes the audience is forced to laugh at.
He's like a shitty John Stewart. Makes sense why the show was cancelled.
I am surprised it's not the Asian American Association for Academics, (AAAA) because if I were an Asian parent I would never allow C's and E's on my child's report card, so why allow it in their organization? 😂
😂😂😂 I was waiting for Hasan to make a joke on this, but sad that he didn't.
If this was reddit, I would've given you a gold for this.
Underrated
Matt D looolllll!! I’m dead
🤭🤭🤭
wtf is an E?
Hassan looks like an animated character that came to life in a graph and started sarcastically explaining it you with some eye catching hand gestures
his hands were all over the place.
This description is apt!
...yes..with lots of drama and hysterical nothing burgers thrown in??
Why doesn’t he compare these statistics...???
Eulogy
“I’d like to hear you do this comparison for Native Americans”
THATS. NEVER. GOING. TO HAPPEN.
You will only hear Lefty SJWs virtue-signalers’ going on blast for black Americans over the media-hyped, NONEXISTENT “mUh WhItE sUpRemAcY”
Cmon dude seriously why does he ignore hate crimes against ASIANS in Isr@els AmeriKKKa?
Hasan is like a sassier race-swapped Neil deGrasse Tyson who discusses social issues instead of astronomy.
He's like that old paperclip thing
He got a 1310 on the sat, I got a 1080. He’s a comedian, I’m the circus
Dumbass
Dw that was the old sat test the one out of 2400(i think)
sat scores mean nothing and are admittedly created as a eugenics project so black people couldn't get into college. don't worry about it, it's all bullshit.
@@fey0217
This is a cope if I’ve ever seen it
@@ryguy5436 eugenicsarchive.ca/discover/encyclopedia/5554c24335ae9d9e7f0000af
but yeah apparently i'm "coping" as you put it
Its the fact that 4 years later Hasan was completely correct.
no he is not. he is just another woke liberal thinking discrimination against a group is ok.
How is he correct thO? He supports Affirmative action. The decision shot down Affrimative action. I"m confused.
I know this is about Affirmative Action, but I want to mention that Hasan did a great job of making all Asian Americans feel consolidated by including East and South Asians in the same group. Super relatable.
That was a good point, but also a bad one... asian americans are the most economically divided group in America (90th percentile makes over 10x the 10th). Personally I feel like the broad "asian" category should be divided bc the ethnic groups that tend to be on the lower end (cambodian, hmong) are hurt by the current affirmative action set up
we so rarely have that. In spite of the fact that East and South Asians in America have more in common with eachother than they do with whites, blacks or hispanics.
And Central Asians! Heyyy! :P
Yeah it took me a second when he started talking about “we”. Like, yeah, India’s in Asia to
Lol actually 18min but well
@adam cohen what about southeast asians, the Indo,Philippines,and Singapore people in america is quite a handful of people
Thank you so much for bringing up legacies. As a Black woman I am one of the first to go to college in my family. I graduated in 2017. I am the FIRST. While I know people whose great-grandparents went to college
Same here.
Big Fax
If you think legacies are bad, then you must think AA is terrible. If you think AA is good, then you also have to agree with legacy admissions.
@@robertcarson3116 I'm not sure what you mean. I don't think she was saying legacies are bad, just that historically black people haven't been given equal access to education, which is why she's the very first in her family to go to college. When you consider slavery, Jim Crow, segregation which limited equal access to education, etc. etc. it's not hard to understand why past generations in her family haven't gone to college. That being said, I think it's great if a family has a legacy of being successful and well-educated. I don't think anyone would disagree with that. I think we all hope from this generation forward, we will create a legacy of success for our own descendants :)
@@user-yc8xw8bd5r I agree with you. I am very much against both legacies and affirmative action. Both processes put potentially under-qualified people in positions of power, something I don't agree with at all.
There might possibly come a day when I stop being absolutely pissed that this was cancelled, but today is not that day.
Me too, this entire shtick was BS and everyone who knows what AA is knows why it’s straight up racism
Yep.
@@sa34w It also objectively violates the 14th amendment. The supreme court in the late '70's made some extremist decisions.
what part of the skit did you disagree
im pretty sure this comment was referring to show itself getting cancelled?
In case anyone was wondering about the personality score thing: The statistical analysis found a significant difference (of about 1 point on a 6 point scale iirc) between white and Asian personality scores, but the court ruled Harvard could not be held accountable for this. Basically, because these scores come from things like perception and letters of rec, the court couldn't do anything. It's worth noting numerous studies have showed that Asians with "traditionally asian activities" like piano or chess are scored lower in personality measures by admissions teams than white students with the same activities, so there is a more scientific basis to explain the difference/bias.
And how are these personality metrics objective measures? For all we know these research studies have biased metrics to begin with.
@@smellypatel5272 they...they are subjective. That's kinda the point? Admissions teams use subjective ratings and, because of their own subconscious racism, subjectively rate Asians lower. That's the comment.
Hmm I wonder how "horrible" that disparity would look if you compared it to the implicit bias faced by Hispanics or blacks in not only those personality ratings but just about every other facet of their lives?
There's a reason they compared the scores to white applicants and not the other far more heavily discriminated against minorities
@@EmpressOfExile206 1) That’s very blatant whataboutism that avoids the heart of this comment 2) If your response to a minority talking about the biases that act against them is to play the oppression Olympics, you aren’t mature enough for this conversation
@@friedrice4015 typical response when hit with irrefutable logic.. step 1 use a made up woke trigger word lol "whataboutism" step 2 redirect because if you actually address what was pointed out it would topple the house of cards you built your point on to begin with 🤣 so sad
"six dollars was never a big amount of money"
*Venezuela starts sweating*
it hurts but real... venezuelan here.
@@webdevsam good thing we have runescape lol. jk
Then tell Venezuela to get its shit together, then maybe it will someday by worth as much as USD.
"okay look like your dad is grading your kumon homework right in front of you"
I SCREECHED THAT WAS TOO REAL HASAN
I know how that is from the dad's perspective.....lol
god damn too real
@theadam22 it's a chain of japanese tuition centres (basically after-school supplementary classes) that teach kids how to do arithmetic. the logo is literally a drawing of a kid looking like :/
@@TwilightEpiphany i suck at maths and kumon started the hatred of maths inside me. We all stopped at level d (i think the level system is the same worldwide?) because we hated kumon lmao
Just before the maths get harder than divisions
“Ed Blum isn’t helping Asian kids because he’s trying to put together a K-pop band”
The big 3 are shaking
😂
I give my respect to anyone taking the time to inform themselves and develops their own thoughts on this subject.
They moved on with their f**king lives 😂😂😂😂
Epic
ikr
Some rich ppl will never understand this concept 😂☠️
@@BrianZuma 😂
@platonik filofOz Since when not fighting for your rights is a good thing? If your kids are treated unfair do you just move on with your life? That way nothing changers.
These graphics are so amazing and add alot to the shows points. Love it all!
True its very calming and relaxing
He predicted it! I hope he becomes the Daily Show's next host. We all need his insights.
who else is here to rewatch this to give context for the supreme court decision?
Damn. That ending line. Just damn.
Bro that ending line sucked. I think people who don’t have enough awareness to believe that framing people who don’t agree with them as “the worst kind of Americans” are the worst kind of Americans. What was this guy even arguing?
@@nickfuller9254 someone didn't listen to the video 😂
Its lame AND racist hypocrisy ... re-frame that ending line with a different ending like this... "For those in the black community that keep insisting that they want equality... treat us like americans... fine... and then end it with.... "you're just the worst kind" LOL LOL... OMG His show would be erased and the left would have cancel cultured this guys arse into oblivion.
And all I did was replace one race for another... This guy is a HYPOCRITE. AA needs to go. People who have a work ethic that will drive them to do better should be admitted. REMOVE race ENTIRELY from college application procedures. Those who can academically PROVE that they deserve to go to ivy league... SHOULD GO... NOT people who happen to be a specific color.
@@ChristopherPayne bro did u even listen to anything he was saying
@@memebinsdimples4104 Trust that he did not.
"Quota system is unconstitutional"
India:-hold my tea...
Crying in general category
ALL MY GENERAL CATEGORY PEOPLE SAY HEYY
they have also increased the reservation percentage in IITs this year
God bless Americans dont have a caste system
Well if you know the history of our country's oppression towards minorities, you'd understand. People from the mainland don't even consider us as Indians as we're from the North East of India.. Racism everyday. Racism on African Students as well. I can talk about it all day. You wouldn't know how it feels to be oppressed.
Someone said "the people who are now getting into to college are the ones who cam afford it." I went to a predominantly black school with little to no resources my test scores were bad to say the least, my gf who is white and received an 80 percentile ACT score, told me that my test prep classes must've sucked (she went to a predominantly white school), I looked her in dead in the eyes and said we didn't have anything close to a "test prep class" we barley had science classes. Basing admission purely on test scores and GPA is not truly based on merit, it's simply unfair and will be given to those kids who grew up with resources.
Agreed that’s why it should be based on economic status and not race.
@@nicholasking1018 we should do that we should improve high school
This is a critique of the tests and their ability to test merit, and on that I agree with you. However making school admissions change to over correct for that based on race is stupid.
@concernedcommenter8258 then what is the solution?
Honest question though - would you have even been prepared enough to do well in college if you were given the ability to go & grades & test scores didn't matter? I feel like the issue here is that more funding needs to be provided to poor schools. The dropout rates are already high in college & sending a bunch of unprepared students isn't going to help, just give them a couple years of debt w/o a degree at the end.
Me: 4.8 gpa, Leader of 4 clubs, 300 hours community service gets into good school, started a non-profit
Everyone: you only got in because you’re Mexican and a girl
If AA didn't exist this'd never be an issue
@@jeanniemaycrawford4466 if people weren't ignorant and minded their business, it wouldn't be an issue.
@@kameronsims3138 elaborate
@@kameronsims3138 nope they right
@Carissa Wu Well people tend to flock to those who are similar to them.
I told my Asian mom about legacy admissions once and she categorically refused to believe it was a real thing because it sounded too unfair and ridiculous.
Well, you might want to show her the most recent news about that. 😅😞
Or she’ll be like…great, if you get in, your kids will get in and you’ll save money on prep classes
No it’s bc she doesn’t want to believe anything bad about white people but she’s quick to believe it about black people… she will learn the hard way how white people are
Let me guess, your dad has an Asian fetish
@@mrmaxin53 or if you get rejected because of a legacy admission, a more likely scenario, she might be incredibly pissed off, just because there's an off chance an unfair system could benefit you doesn't mean you should support it lol
That was great. Very well done.
Edit: My Dad is not even 65. His school was integrated his senior year of HS. People talk about racism like it was sooooo long ago, rather than just more subtle.
I took a huge two month trip all over the US in 1999 canvassing 38 states. While taking a Greyhound down the Mississippi from Chicago to NOLA we passed a public restroom that was still segregated with “WHITES” and “COLOREDS” above the respective doors. No bullshit. Pretty sure it was Arkansas.
Amazing and still hold true. Specially after what just happened. Glad i found a voice speaking what been thinking.
"You just happen to be the worst kind."
Super chilling and impactful. Well done.
I don't know how segregating Americans into better and worse "kinds" can be a good thing.
The amount of research work that goes behind each of these episodes must be insane!
gjaddajg
Couldn’t agree more
@gjaddajg You must think PragerU is a legitimate university, right?
Justin Norman Affirmative action is racist bro
gjaddajg lol everything you disagree with is “leftist nonsense”. Let me guess, police brutality and climate change are leftist propaganda right? You are so dense 😂
StudioSJS right??? Its all PERSPECTIVE he is presenting and informing in his videos and hes not forcing anyone to believe anything. Thats your judgement. When he explains his outlooks too and you don’t agree with it, that doesn’t make him a leftist. These people think everyone has to believe the same shit and have the same political opinions and mindsets for them to be “correct”.
It’s honestly really sad to how high the standard is for Asian Americans
It's sad how low the standards are for Americans
@Laurens Arthur you misspelled poor america.
Tell their parents
@Laurens Arthur not really, affirmative action is also used for poor kids, kids from poorly performing schools, and kids who's parents are either dead or didn't compete high school.
@Laurens Arthur they are not going to admit some middle class black person who has the bare minimum of grades to get in. You have to prove the deck has been stacked against you yet you still managed to achieve the success needed to even be considered for a spot at Harvard. I'd be okay with getting rid of affirmative action if they raised the funding for schools in communities of color.
That closing line was sooo powerful.. “You’re right, You are an American… You just happen to be the worse kind”
I saw this episode when it was first aired, and rewatch it after Supreme Court decision, I felt sad. As an Asian American, I never believe my spot is taken by other minorities. For the Asian Americans that believe so, I can’t help but want to say you seriously pick the wrong battle that will hurt in the long run.
Not being discriminated against by Ivy League schools is totally going to bite Asian Americans in the ass.
It's ok u prob don't have the scores to be in ivy league anyways so of course ur spot is not taken LoL...but nothing wrong with going to State college like me it's all good
@@PhillyTJ That's cute but you might want to learn to write English properly so your half-baked rhetoric doesn't look like it has been written by a 12 year old. Explain to me why asians should accept being effectively excluded from Ivy League schools simply because of their race.
@@PhillyTJ Sometime you may be surprise to whom you are speaking with on the internet. If someone follow the case, Asian American groups also provide supporting materials for race conscious admission policies. We are the minorities at the end of the day and will benefit from this policy in long run and its implication in other aspects.
It is not like Ivy League do not admit Asian Americans. The underlying problem here is admission process and its rating matrix are not transparent to tell why some succeed and some fail. If someone got in because of large donation, what is the proportional relationship between dollar value and point system? If someone does not have high point in leadership, extracurricular activity, personal quality, etc., why is it? The list can go on, tackling the race alone do not get the answer the students being rejected are looking for.
With Columbia dropping SAT, and who knows what weight that other Ivy League put on this category, good luck to some thinking you are being rejected just because of your race.
Not if you attend community college
My dad's story is that he came with $7 in 1975. He said at the time, India limited the amount of rupees you could take abroad and convert to foreign currency.
They didn’t have bank transfers those days?
Damn, I really like this set.
Yeah me too, along with the instrumental
@C caymer Dumbass.
@C caymer damn here comes another moron
Line up the qualifications of black and brown students who are admitted against legacy kids. No one is giving minorities anything that doesn’t also include merit/meeting the qualifications. The delusion is ridiculous and sad.
getting rid of legacies is completely ridiculous, the whole point of institutions such as Harvard and Yale is so that the small circle of elites get to have their kids become friends and keep the wealth in the circle of friends they know, while at the same time recruiting the brightest minds in the country to work for them in the future. People are delusional to think that merit is only based on academics and not extracurricular achievements, when in reality the biggest merit has always been the wealth you are born into and the people you (technically your daddy and momma) know. Rich and powerful people play by a different standard because they made the standards poor people have to play with.
@@ycs7619Just because something has been done, doesn't mean it should continue. 🙄
There’s way more black and Hispanic legacies than Asian legacies and the data clearly shows that black, white and hispanic applicants have a way higher chance of getting accepted with lower academic metrics than Asian applicants. Also, within the applicants the Asian demographic had the lowered household incomes and got accepted at the lowest rates. White people are 70 percent of the legacy admits which is not far off from their total percentage of the US population. They are hardly over represented.
As a brown kid who was once in the National Spelling Bee, I loved Akeelah and the Bee. I think I watched it at least 5-10 times when I was little haha
I've probably seen the movie literally 30 times when I was little lol.
Yeah, because 3 people can't qualify from the same regional without wildcards.
akeelah the bee
Hasan: Please cover racial disparities between mainstream America and Native Americans living on reservations.
i would like to hear more about that. As a African American man it would be good to hear how the netive Americans are doing. I feel i havnt.heard much about them growing up and how they are doing. It seem as if they live and operate in a completely deffrent bobble. It would be nice to hear somthing about them.
@@whizkidd2227 Come to Arizona see it first hand. It will really trip you out. folks think that the casino 4 and a few scraps make them more than even for all the atrocities....but wait until Tribal politics get involved. The chiefs and tribal councils decide who gets what within the tibe so You have folks living in $300,000 homes literally across the way from folks living in hovels like 3rd world countries. Its crazy!!! My dad was full blooded Iroqois and He got screwed from Vietnam Draft on.
I was lucky enough to have a Native American grand mother and great grandmother who lived long enough to educate me about history. Oral history may be anecdotal but it is a true representation of experience's. I'll concede that they did not live on the res, but I'll also mention that they and there family refused to.
My grandmother was a flamethrower when it came to liberty. She hated the government so much she would never take anything from them including SSI. Living on the land the government granted you was inconceivable to her.
Sometimes I think about my dust bowl WWII grandfather and how bad ass he was, then I remember his 5 foot nothing pregnant wife back at home digging trenches to burry the first electrical line in the county.
Miss me with the racial disparities about natives Americans. When I was a kid and asked her about the Great Depression she said two things "we were so poor we didn't know there was a Depression" and " if you where willing to work there was a job"
My education had told me that during the depression nobody could find a job so I asked my grandparents how did you make money. They laughed "we worked"
When they passed they were millionaires, not from a tech investment but through years of saving. Neither had more than a sixth grade education. I don't want to hear one more story about how this country is this or that.
I would love to see that too... l heard that lower funding and poorer living conditions make that community one of the most discriminated and at risk
Yep! First time I took some long drives as an adult through parts of AZ, I tripped out. I was lost and looking for a casino. Lol. True story. After seeing some neighborhoods and talking to some people, it ruined my night. This is a fight worth fighting. They got screwed hard and continue to be shat on. Not sure how to help, never see anything main stream about it. Guess I need to change that.
Here today when the Supreme Court struck down AA and would kindly ask folks to watch this video again
"What is this guy's signature move, Tax Evasion? " 😂😂😂😂
Now back to work
“ I thought that I wasn’t going to get into Stanford because some black kid was going to take my spot, I didn’t get into Stanford because I was dumb” - Hasan Minhaj
@Viper 47 Not really but okay.
@Viper 47 Why don't you provide them rather than asking us to hunt them down? Because what you've provided here basically proves nothing.
"At schools like Berkeley that dont practice AA, Asians make up over 43% of the freshman class compared to 25% at Harvard."
At Peking University, over 99% of new admissions are Chinese compared 18% Berkeley. At Indian Insitute of Science Bengaluru, over 99% of new admissions are Indian compared to 18% Berkeley. (To be clear, I made thes up, I have no idea what the actual stats are.) This proves that even Berkeley is discriminating against Chinese and Indians and that Beida and IISc are discriminating against Indians and Chinese right? Of course not, it depends on who is applying and the quality of those applicants. Even though both Harvard and Berkeley may be in the US, you cannot assume the quality of the applicants for each "race" (however you define such things) are the same on average. In fact, there is a risk of self-fulfilling prophecy here. If "Asians" think that Harvard discriminate against them, they may be less likely to bother with it. They'll concentrate on other universities instead, like Berkeley instead. But with fewer applicants, the number who actually meet the requirements at Harvard is probably going to end up lower, sure the self-assessed "better" applicants may still try but self-assessment can only go so far.
And it isn't just about the sheer number but the quality and here's the kicker. I've never studies it since it's never something I've needed to worry about but AFAICT, "holistic admission" is a bit of a dark art, as you would expect. You have a vague idea what the university likes but ultimately there is a lot you don't know. While there are similarities in what universities prefer, I'm sure there are differences too. Maybe there's a belief that Harvard cares more about volunteering work than Berkeley. (To be clear again, I made this up because the precise example doesn't matter.) If you think your chances at Harvard are low because they discriminate against "Asians" so Berkeley is your prime target maybe you're not going to bother so much with volunteer work. But assuming Harvard does care more about volunteer work, you've now made your chances at Harvard lower. Then there's that infamous admission essay that they seem to love in the US. Again if your focus is on Berkeley are you going to focus so much on the one you write for Harvard? Maybe not.
"data from the Harvard case reveal Asians do need higher stats than other races to get in"
What do you mean by "higher stats"? Do you mean better academics? American universities especially the prestigious private ones seem to care a great deal about stuff besides academics so this proves little. Even without race, it's perfectly possible that the "Asian" applications will as a group on average be worse in other factors they consider so will find it harder to be admitted. Hasan Minhaj alluded to this when he mentioned personalities. From what I read, this actually seems to be the major reason "Asian" applicants suffer, rather than because they consider race per se. They need higher rankings in other areas to make up for generally lower scores in "personality".
The personality thing is actually an interesting point and IMO really should be the focus of the case. How is Harvard coming up with these ratings and is it fair? Is there some cultural bias against "Asians" which results in them being assessed lower when there's no evidence that these personality assessments accurately reflect how they will function as student or on the world? But what about if these assessments do seem to be accurate? Is it possible that one of the problems is people with such personalities are perceived as less approachable etc so students, colleagues etc are less likely to approach them. (Or whatever.) Should Harvard be rejecting such personalities, or instead encouraging them so that people have more experience with them and realise, their perceptions of such people are may be not so accurate? In other words, there is IMO ample room for discussion, without having to argue against considering race or holistic review. Sadly as I said, this doesn't seem to be the focus of most discussion.
Also does your data include or exclude legacies? Because for various historical reasons, I'm fairly sure that "Asian" have far fewer legacies than "white". Therefore your stats for "white" are likely to be skewed by this. (By the way, they will also skew the number of admissions although with only 30% obviously not enough to account for a 25% vs 43% by itself.) For all we know from what you said, non legacy "white" actually has it more difficult than "Asian".
This is actually one area where IMO Patriot Act sort of glossed over the details. Hasan Minhaj almost seem to imply that the case is about ending a holistic review of students but AFAIK, it's not about that. The main focus seems to be about ending race as one consideration. I'm not going to comment on whether race should be allowed, it doesn't matter to my point. I guess it's possible if this case succeeds, lesser universities may abandon the holistic review because there is a risk of lawsuits when students argue that their race was considered in their admission, why else did they fail to get in with the other students with worse grades who's a different race got it? And since as I said, unlike with grades a lot of the holistic review stuff is harder to compare, it's going to be more difficult to defend. Still their are various processes e.g. removing names and photos which may help. Ensuring some scoring system for admission essay etc which you can demonstrate. More to the point, even if lesser universities abandon the holistic review, I'm fairly sure the prestigious ones will keep it. They'll just abandon race and they have the money to defend any lawsuit claiming they're still considering it.
But this then gets at a key point. I don't think anyone can be sure abandoning race is actually going to substantially benefit "Asian" applicants. If they're losing out because academic is less important in admission and they're on average worse in the other holistic stuff, this may very well continue. Getting back to my earlier point about "personalities" there's an obvious implication here. I would hardly be surprised if the court case ends up forbidding race as a factor in admission but doesn't deal with the possible bias in "personality" or other such assessments or even what the case is allegedly about i.e. discrimination against "Asians". So don't be surprised if this case doesn't really benefit "Asians", it may even harm them. I have a strong belief that many of the funders don't really give a damn or would even be happy with discrimination against "Asians".
I'm fairly sure you're going to find people claiming stats prove either side based on universities which abandoned race, i.e. some claim they benefit "Asians" others saying they harm them. Assuming that it does end soon, 10-20 years from now you're likely to get the same thing. Since nothing is constant, trying to predict what things would have been like were it not for an end to affirmative action is, well difficult at best. In fact, with COVID-19 having upended everything, such predictions face even more difficulty.
If court does do something about the "personality" rating issue, then it may actually have a wider effect including on holistic review, whether you think this is a positive or not. But as said, I'm not convinced this is going to happen. Time will tell I guess.
As for holistic selection itself, I make no real comment. I come from a background where it's very rare (only for certain things like medicine) so as may be obvious from what I've said, I do find it a bit weird. Yet at the same time, I do agree that especially when you are talking about very high levels of academic performance, e.g. 1550 vs 1500 SAT, it's questionable if the person who performed 1550 is more likely to be a better university student and better at some defined job than the person with 1500.
@Viper 47 Virtually the same applicant pool? How do you know that? They don't release ANY statistics on applicant pools. Additionally, around 17% of Harvard's incoming freshman come from Massachusetts. About 85% of Berkeley's freshman come from California. Both have vastly different policies on legacy admission, athletic recruitment, etc.
@Viper 47 No, in fact, I agree with you and your stance on AA. You make a very good point on the advancement of holistic admissions with respect to athletics and scores. However, geography is not the best pillar to defend your stance from.
@Viper 47 But that was precisely my point. Where's the evidence they are drawing from the same pool? You yourself seem to agree the requirements are different. As I already said, if the requirements are different, there's no particular reason to think the same people are going to apply or put in the same amount of effort. Indeed it can become a self fulfilling prophecy. If I think I'm not going to get a fair shot at Harvard, should I put in so much effort & risk reducing my chances are Berkeley? Maybe not.
AFAIK their geographical locations are also fairly different. And while both are prestigious, Harvard generally more so, the areas they are most reknown for are also somewhat different. It seems reasonably possibly that everything else being equal, a reasonable number of people may prefer Berkeley for Computer Science or Engineering. I suspect far fewer are going to prefer it for law.
"I have seen no evidence to suggest Asians do worse in other areas either like the personal statement and ECs"
Well if we have no evidence, we have no evidence. We can't say it is a factor, we can't say it's not a factor. We do not know.
I'm not sure if you grok my point about the personality score issue. I've seen no evidence a court banning race as a consideration means they will ban personality scores. And no matter how people may complain, it doesn't seem likely legacy considerations are going away either. So there's no real evidence the court case is going to to anything significant for Asian students. They will still be getting poor "personality score" ratings so will still be losing out.
However since most seem to agree that race (or student diversity or whatever) being a consideration does benefit African American and likely Hispanic or Latino students, there does seem to be a risk a court banning it will harm them. So it seems to be it's completely understandable why there is great fear this court case is going to do nothing for Asian students but will harm African American and Hispanic or Latino students. Even white students aren't actually likely to benefit that much.
Let's consider the case. About 14.3% of Harvard's intake was African American. If you cut that down to 7% you've cut it down by over half. Maybe Asian goes from 25.3% to 27.5%, a bump but not that major. White and other goes from about 46% to 51% again in the scheme of things, this isn't actually that great a boost in the chances of a white or Asian student getting in. However it's made it a lot harder for an African American one to get in. (I didn't bother to consider Latino or Hispanic, but you basically get the same result.)
It seems to me a far more meaningful debate instead of banning race as a consideration, is as I said in my first reply, asking what's up with the personality score. Why do Asians perform so poorly on it? Is it fair? If not, how can it be improved? Again I see no evidence this court case is going to do anything about it.
I don't believe AA should be done on the basis of race but rather socioeconomic background. Although african americans do make up a larger percentage of people from poorer backgrounds thus access to poorer education systems the fact of the matter is they are not the singular entity within that bracket. Basing AA on race rather than socioeconomic background seems more to me like an insult than anything else as it makes the assumption that african americans are below their expected average not based on educational access but rather just the colour of their skin alone - which of course is incorrect. So it shouldn't be completely put away but it definitely needs to be reviewed. I also don't believe decisions should be based on educational grades alone even though I personally would fare better if that were the case but the fact of the matter is a high competitive grade from an individual with access to less speaks of character. Universities have to look for well rounded individuals.
I agree w/ you. My family and I are immigrants from the Philippines and while I didn't go to Harvard (or an Ivy League school for that matter), I do think I still did better than most people in my own part of the town. idk if my parents (who combined probably make about $85K a year now) could have afforded having me and my siblings going to tutoring classes, SAT-prep programs, etc. at the time when I was younger when they were still working their way up either.
Had I applied to an Ivy League school, I don't think it's fair that a Black or Hispanic student get in over me if their scores where lower just because of their race. For all we know, our household could have had the same exact income.
Great point btw!
I just wanted to thank you for your comment and let you know I completely agree! I'm currently in college and in my experience, I learn a lot more from students from different socioeconomic classes, even sharing my race, than I do from students with vastly different races, but sharing my socioeconomic background. Of course, not two races are the same but I do believe the difference in lifestyles among people from different socioeconomic classes is greater than it is among different races.
@awaisis All true in the outside walking world where assumptions are made on the daily. I for sure wont argue with that but thankfully that is one of the few things I can state with confidence is not a part of the admission review board. How on earth can they call you lazy when you're getting high af GPAs and what gangster spends their time volunteering or being part of the chess club and why on earth would stealing come to play in that situation. The fact of the matter is unlike in the outside world where those assumptions definitely do come into play, in the review board the entirety of who you are is written in black and white. They can literally judge your character without having to make any assumptions.
This! So much this! Is the AA system currently flawed? Yes, it's got some deep damage grooves but dismantling it completely would do more harm than good. A more holistic approach to student evaluation is much needed. This is one of the reasons why I support universities putting a considerable amount of weightage on the Statement of Purpose. And Socioeconomic factors would be an excellent determining factor instead of race
Indian American here, you are 100% right. Economics can be measured and will always be a better solution.
Also, I love Hasan for calling out the bullshit where he sees it.
For anyone wondering the videos were all moved from the Patriot Act channel to this channel because Patriot Act was cancelled
Back in 2003, my neighbor got into Harvard on a basketball scholarship. He definitely didn’t have the grades for it. He’s not a minority. I just thought that was a bit messed up, though it happens all the time.
How’s it messed up 🤨
Sports make money, College Football draws crowds. If people didn't have shit taste, didn't show up to those boring things, it wouldn't exist.
Someone getting a scholarship for athleticism is better than getting it for your race, athleticism is something you can control (despite the strong genetic components) But you know what else has a strong genetic component? Intelligence. We fool ourselves into thinking it is about how hard a student works. Unless their is strict fear motivated discipline that is otherwise not typical of children, a kid needs passion to excel. Passion comes from talent. There is the element of "industriousness" that is important (best trait characteristic for predicting success) but that is more nature than nurture. Also, you can work hard as hell but be stupid and just run in circles.
I really wish my college admitted more athletic people by setting up much lower standard in their quota, we always lagged behind in tournaments. You see, it's not messed up, it's just you don't enjoy a certain spectrum of being within a community, it's fine though, every person has their own world to deal with.
So…how should a person qualify for a basketball scholarship?
Fun fact, I actually know people who got rejected from UC Santa Cruz.
Are you sure they had 80 bucks AND a pulse? ;-p
Was it because they were dead?
They only had $79.50, huh?
Did they apply super late?
they have an acceptance rate of like 50%.. so makes sense
So much beef with UC Santa Cruz. Love it.
He's just jealous because he was stuck in Davis out in the middle of nowhere, while we had beautiful views, beaches, the Monterey Bay, redwood forests, mountains, and natural beauty. They had heat, flatness, and bicycling. You don't kvetch that much about something unless you're jealous.
@@dougim Nah, the rest of us are just jealous that our alma mater wasn't so prominently featured in "Pulp Fiction". But be a little honest: UC-Santa Cruz is kinda thought of as Beach State from "Boy Meets World"...they even both have great marine biology programs. XD
@@dougim to be fair, I've never heard of the school. Meanwhile I do know UC Davis.
Kyle Newcombe my head cannon is that they didn’t accept him
Lmao I didn’t even know it existed until he brought it up
Crazy how prophetic this was.
It’s actually affirmative discrimination, government sanctioned and mandated.
I’m half-black and half Indian and I live in the suburbs, and any of my friends are other Indians and Asian Americans. I am constantly told that the only reason I receive awards is because I am half black, and that they’ll have to try much harder than me to get into college. That has always been a big insecurity of mine. I fear that I don’t deserve what I get. I really needed this video. Thank you Hasan
Do not let anyone bring you down. You deserve everything.
@@favor7680 if you earn it
This is the problem with affirmative action. It creates doubt in people who get in, and anger in people who didn't. It divides us minorities. When we want to focus on issues like legacy admissions, we are constantly split apart and forced to focus on this stupid AA.
Nearly no one gets what they actually deserve in life so don't worry about it.
you really don't deserve any awards your just a diversity quota
You're awesome man. You make us feel relevant and represented.
It's like Jon Stewart had an Indian baby. 😍
srsly fuck jon stewart, he is narcistic fuck.
More like John Oliver but whatever.
Jon Stewart and Oliver had a Indian baby and fed him Adderal all his life
octagon69 JO is JS’s son, that’d make them brothers
@@octagon69 gy7r6fvzxcvbbnm😍😉😀😉😄😅😉😅
I love how Hasan Minhaj very easily bring comedy and social issues together. I hope he makes one of the concept of Feminism.
I love this guy. That last sentence says it all!!!
Legit this is John Oliver Part II
But less researched...
Wyzegy that’s bc he has a funny face
Olivier is The daily show 2, The daily show is spin off of SNL Weekend update skit. Nothing new under the 🌞.
But the guy is indian not British
@@nutlover3609 ehrrrr 😰
Hasan Minhaj is awesome. I'm not a American but I can totally understand and agree with his views and ideology. Here in India we Indians also face discrimination not based on colour of your skin but on the caste your are born in.
Amen.
He did lie about himself experiencing racism and then defended his statements claiming they were "emotional truths". It's sad, he was very funny and i agreed with him for the most part...
I thought about this episode the moment I saw the news about affirmative action today.
I really enjoyed your message! I hope it hits the hearts and minds that it needs to!❤️
the point went over people's head on this one.....Hasan is saying why go after other minorities when there are other factors that are larger and more prevalent in college admissions, like legacy admissions. People keep talking about black people....black/latino people have and still are really small minorities on these ivy league campuses. Are we really fighting about the 8 or 9% of students at Harvard that happen to be black? Why don't those who are fighting against these unfair admissions fight against legacy admissions.....I'm sure those black/latino students didn't take anyone's place and worked just as hard as anyone else to get in.
@@bloodaxe5028 I see this a lot from Indian, Pakistani and Bengali people. A close minded viewpoint on blacks in America. It surprises me due to the suffering that many are still dealing with due to English colonialism and and the vestiges of the Caste system. History is quite accessible and fairly easy to understand even to the most average mind.
@@bloodaxe5028 And neither do you have any drive.
They worked harder..
belanina athletics too!!! There are so many athletes, and they bring academic standards down. And athletes aren’t just in big sports (that promote school spirit, make money, and are accessible to most people before college) like football and basketball- there are also many athletes in niche sports (squash, field hockey, lacrosse, sailing, etc.) that not only don’t make money for the school, but reinforce class and racially based disparities in access to education (because these spots at colleges go to the rich people who had access to these sports)
Here's the related joke:
A rich guy, an asian and a black guy sit at a table; in the middle lie 11 cookies. Rich guy takes ten of them, turns to the asian, and says: "Watch out, black guy wants your cookie!"
Same story, over and over and over again ...
"Becky with the bad grades" Lmao, that seemed to go over people's heads!!
Yo, my boy called the ending of Affirmative Action 4 YEARS AGO!!!!!!! He needs to bring back this show.
Wow the first line from this episode really spoke volumes today.
YES. Someone who gets it.
Make legacy admissions illegal.
YES if anything should be going that should be it😂
Legacy admissions are wrong too but that doesn’t invalidate the case against affirmative action
If you are against legacy admissions, you should be against affirmative action. If you are FOR affirmative actions but against legacy admissions, that's just raw hypocrisy
@@shinyguy1 Finally, someone who doesn't have a severe case of "what-about-ism" when they hear the words "affirmative action."
@@herroyung857 yes, people just deflect because they’re too big of cowards to admit they have unfair advantages.
"it's not like getting into uc Santa Cruz"
*Ooohhh that audience gasp was priceless
We need a part II Hasan.
"I have a dream" - the part quoted in the video.
"that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. I have a dream today." - the part left out.
i have a dream, that holistic review does everything it does right, and also removes race as a factor. so that my children, and theirs, are not judged, even partially, on the color of their skin. that is a dream worth having.
It's a shame that this Dream isn't shared by some of the very people that should want to share it.
Racial quotas are weird
Indian governement: we are about to end this man’s entire career
@@randomdude9135 Ahh, found the casteist. Maybe if you had done some further reading, you'd know that that "da**it idiot" wanted it only for 20 years.
@@Sujay95 ya, ur right India is so ahead, with people in reservation getting so smart in education that technically they don't even need to have half marks which made this country so progressive... Bridges are collapsing, with such high quality engineers
@@sangeethav4674 Hey, don't attack me. I'm all for reforms in reservation policies in education and government jobs. But to insinuate that people from weaker sections are somehow inferior or less deserving or using the dumb reservation policy as a reason to be casteist POS like the moron above is simply unacceptable.
Also, how do you know that the sole reason for bridges collapsing is because of engineers from weaker sections? Bridge collapses are not even that common. Corruption is rife in our country and state of education in colleges is below par except for the premier institutes. I've first hand witnessed the bullshit that goes on in tier 2, 3 and 4 engineering colleges that I had to drop out of the course. Churning out unemployable, mediocre engineers by the millions who do a bridge course after graduating to get employed in an IT company.
@@randomdude9135 Lmao bullshit. I don't know what kind of privileged bubble you're living in but the caste system is well and alive even in metropolitan cities. Most of Indian society highly casteist and communal. Although reforms are needed in reservations, nothing will change until there are sweeping reforms in higher education in India in general. Removing reservations alone isn't going magically transform into a developed country. Just look at the millions of mediocre engineers passing out of colleges every year with no employable skills.
All indians are aware that reservation is ther ejust for vote bank politics. The development of oppressed classes still hasn't improved because even they have a creamy layer. The point is in india reservation is necessary but the terms should be changed . Instead of on caste basis it should be on economic basis to make sure that the creamy layer doesn't get unnecessary privileges.
First off :
Hasan, great job in relating Asian Americans. We are a very diverse group and even though I am of Hong Kong background i still was able to relate. Good work.
I will start by saying this:
Affirmative Action needs to be replaced, not killed and left to stay dead.
We need to recognise the value diversity has in education- in race, in religion, in economic level, in sexuality and so on.
I fully support my Latino brothers and sisters, my black brothers and sisters getting opportunities to higher education, to show and make an impact on society.
I do not oppose that, and I could never stand in the way of equality for minorities.
But I also cannot sit contently that students are having to meet higher bars or are being rejected because they are Asian.
Many Asians have only arrived in the past 60 years.
And we have never been a group of power in this country, much less a powerful, oppressing group.
Why are we punishing Asians for the injustices suffered by minorities?
No, what we need to do is reform affirmative action to continue to allow minority students and instead go for the bases of power- the legacy admissions, and the wealthy admissions.
Don't cut our admissions, cut theirs.
How many avenues to success do Asians really have in this country?
How many avenues to success do rich people have?
My point exactly.
I have no interest in being pitted against other minorities so that legacy kids and wealthy minorities can walk in and take the product of our struggle.
It would do benefit to everyone for the wealthy to go to public schools and get to really know normal people and for the hardest working among us of humble backgrounds to be able to aspire to the peak of education, and to not have our backgrounds, nor our bank accounts hold us back.
This is an issue where they are playing us all.
The moment they kill affirmative action, they won't look back to make schools fair.
They'll leave black kids out,
they'll leave Latino kids out,
They'll be finished 'working' with Asians
and go back to shitting on us.
And poor white people?
Don't be fooled. You're not part of their group, you're just the giant demographic they scare into voting every two years.
They're going to look past you, walk into university and you won't see any benefit at all. They look down on you like the rest of us, no matter the blood and sweat your family gave this country.
We cannot let this group of powerful and rich people continue to play us and make us hate each other.
We suffer so much more in common and we need to learn to speak and think for ourselves rather than 'pick a side'
I speak up because this issue more than others makes me realise as an Asian American, as an American, I cannot always count to be spoken for and represented.
I cannot stay quiet while Conservatives blatantly weaponize us against other minorities.
I cannot stay quiet while 'progressives' tell me 'asians have it good enough' and to shut up.
Please, if you have any further thoughts do share- this is an issue that needs to be talked about.
@N P C
I don't know where I said I hated white people.
I include white people in my argument, the group of people I think that need to be re-evaluated in power are the wealthy. Legacy admissions are not merited, and take up a completely unfair amount of spots.
These spots could be better redistributed in opportunity to groups of people struggling with institutional racism and institutional discrimination and disadvantage. Wealthy people will always be provided for in this country by their own resources. They certainly are not the majority. As a country that serves its people's wills and needs, shouldn't we work to do that?
The victims of discrimination can be white, too. When I use the term minority, it is to address the plurality of groups of disenfranchised and disadvantaged people.
And white people who are minorities have found some justice, thankfully so far.
LGBT people can be white. They faced a great struggle and still do, and some of them are white. Some of these white LGBT people also 'benefit' from 'special treatment.' I prefer to see it as some LGBT people who happen to be white happen to have laws in place to ensure they are treated like people.
Arabs are white. Muslims can be white. Many Jews are white. Southern and Eastern Europeans are white. All of these groups still face terrible discrimination today. They certainly are included under some of the discrimination laws we have today.
The only way I can see things from your point of view, is that 'white' people may not be explicitly protected in the skin colour political situation.
But if you honestly do not see the discrepancy between the treatment of people who appear as white and the treatment of people who appear as non white, and beyond this,
You still cannot connect how non-white appearing people need legal protection to have equal opportunities as guaranteed by the constitution, then I don't know what to do.
Read closely, I never excluded white people in my post. Excluding people on the colour of their skin would be contradictory to my position to REFORM affirmative action, not abolish it.
@Catty Ra
Again, where do I attack white people?
Where do I attack white people?
WHERE do I attack white people?
I do not agree with the position that a group of people should be discriminated against for their skin colour. That group of people can be white, too.
I know I've written a lot but you're not even reading everything.
I never went anywhere near the position of 'get rid of white people'.
And as for this chopping block statement, I disagree. Asian people have not exerted power through racism over any other 'racial group' outside of Asia and have not penalized the world with the justification of slavery, eugenics or colonialism. 'White' people have.
But you know what, I also recognise that while every white person benefits from this injustice, NOT EVERY WHITE PERSON AGREES WITH IT.
so I do not agree with 'holding' white people to a chopping block. We should aim to help victims of these institutions of discrimination because of all them are affected.
Not all white people are discriminating.
Therefore it is unjust to hold all of them to a chopping block in punitive action.
Again, think of my position relative to your statement.
I'm not for abolishing affirmative action, I'm for REFORMING.
Why would I, a reformist hate white people? It goes against the basis of my argument.
If you are tripping up over my address to poor white people, you really didnt understand me at all. Me pointing out the manipulation of the wealthy to the poor is not a diss, it is a WAKE UP call.
It is to remind this currently invalidated block of people that the group's they have been supporting by majority do not have their interests at heart. This group of people is currently abandoned in current politics. Democrats keep them at an arms distance and are dismissive, condescending and disrespectful to them. Republicans scare them into voting while screwing them over at every turn. Please don't forget the distinction of POOR white. Look at our history. Rich Elites have never seen the poor as their kin. They have, however , baselessly justified racism to get poor whites to accept injustice. 'as long I'm not the bottom rung' mentality.
Seriously, read through everything.
WHY would I hate white people?
HOW would I hate white people?
Thank you my Hong Kong 🇭🇰 brother, I appreciate your words
Nice
the akeelah and the bee bit shocked me 😂
🐝
As an African American u Sir show empathy. Empathy is more valuable than test scores.
I always thought Dartmouth was the Santa Cruz of the Ivies, lolol
What? Dartmouth is not a bad school.
It's def Cornell lol
I thought it was Brown.
yeah heard its Brown :)
@@bennyton2560 yeah i thought Cornell too lol.
WTH, I really like this guy now. How did I just know about him this week😱
me too. how didn't i know him before. he is a talented legend
You guys must have been under a rock..
Wish this show would come back. I enjoyed it
I absolutely love this guy.. he is so funny.. what's more amazing about his humor is his intelligence.. I want to go see him perform when he is in NYC
I want to see him enter Congress.
As an asian immigrant and parent, I also heard my kids will have to get way, way higher score to be admitted in the same university than any other races. I mean, ANY other race. Tbh, I feel it's not fair why race should be one reason to get disadvantage to get into school. It's just not fair to see one individual as a represent of certain group.
However, at the same time, I believe in the system to give better chance to less-fortunate. Without it, the world will become a place where every chance is already determined the moment you are born to certain family.
Therefore, as Hassan pointed out, people are barking on the wrong tree. People should't feel victimized by the other race. Especially when there is this unbelievable crazy system that gives merits to those who donates huge money or who has alumni parents. How can this even be a thing? Legacy admission. Get rid of it first.
Exactly. Its discrimination against hard working asians. Im black and even i hate affirmative action...
@@myescape607 This distinction has to be made largely as a result of legacy admissions. If primarily white students who had poor grades didn't get grandfathered in, that'd free up 10-20% of admissions to these colleges. Asians make up 22.2% of Harvard's admissions; I'm not saying more shouldn't get in due to their race. If they've earned it with their merits, they deserve it. But going after the tiny amount of black students getting in from AA is a drop in the bucket in comparison. Not to mention that race isn't the only factor, and that oftentimes socioeconomic background matters more than race; it's just that the two are often correlated in this country.
First off it's time to axe legacy admissions. Secondly, using affirmative action to try to write racial disparities is like trying to use Band-Aids over a bullet wound. What we should be doing is giving more resources underprivileged schools, giving opportunities to minorities, etc. We should not try to correct this by then stacking the deck against somebody else. There's no reason I should be rejected from a school just because of my race. That itself is discrimination. Hassan says it's not a one in one out policy, but it really is. There are only a certain number of spots for an admitted class that a college shoots for, and if too many of one group get in, they have failed that objective so they will tweak their metrics to advance their goal
@@andrewsang4688 PERIOD.
What frustrates me even more as a black person is democrats use race to determine socooeconomic statuses. Black=poor and incapable of gettiing into yale. White+asian= living in priviledge and smarter
WTF.
@@godminnette2 race ans socio economic status shouldnt be interchanged. Secondly, it doesnt matter how small the percentages r. U dont create diversity by more racism. That completely ruins the point. Ppl should look into the causss not the symptoms. Invest money into installing more schools in black communities, better teachers, more libraries, investing money into schools already there and ending environmental racism. Then more black folks can get in without an advantage.
A detailed video on Indian Educational Quota System would be historic!
Historic and a would create a massive fucking shitstorm in India.
@@randomdude9135 Lol dude. Nice assumptions there. Where have I defended it? I belong to general category myself. I don't need to explain anything to a half-knowledge bigot like though. Gtfo.
Yes, on how reservation have helped in representation and upliftment of social backward groups of the country who account for 70-80 % of the population of the country , who have suffered because of upper caste hegemony and their discrimination
@@randomdude9135 You must be a typical casteist brahman who has below-average comprehension skills. Either case F U
Go cry to your wife-abandoner Lord Modi. Majority in Lok Sabha and Rajya Sabha but still doesn't have the balls to remove reservation.
@@randomdude9135 Yes you are taking about spine. Your ancestors first created a varna system so that acquiring education hai and wealth can be their right only over the centuries and keep the lower classes deprived of it. Don't talk about hard work when you have living on "Bhiksha" only because of your caste, while lower caste people had to do all the labour for centuries.
I never get tired of the line “$80 and a pulse”
Hasan: Racial Quotas are weird
Malaysia: Let me introduce myself.
Affirmative Action should be about about the economic status of ones family because if you maintain a 90+ gpa in poverty when you can’t afford a tutor and have a job to help pay rent. While some rich kid has had a tutor, and takes expensive SAT classes and Family ties to universities. I don’t know just a thought. What I know is race shouldn’t be a factor money should
exactly but its about if you are born a certain skin color , you are a lesser human being.
no. There should be no affirmative action at all.
economic barriers are outside of the child's control whereas their gpa is. they've displayed a high gpa and have proven their eligibility, moreover, under exigent circumstances brought about by economic hardship. yes, they should be given priority consideration, if the merits are there, it is worth it to do that. affirmative action quotas on the basis of any group identity are going to create failure but we don't fully appreciate yet where the line is for reimbursement for oppression (like after segregation) and just plain tokenism
I don't necessarily disagree with you, but, ultimately, you cannot address socioeconomic class without mentioning race.
z financial aid and in Harvard if your family makes less the 60,000 dollars or so their entire tuition is covered. Also scholarships I know people who went to college and did not pay a dime for tuition.
As an educated black man, I see this as a clarion call for us to begin work among ourselves to build our communities and begin to fight to give our children the kind of education that puts them on equal footing with Asian kids. We should aim to break our need for affirmative action. I believe that right now there is enough collective intellect among us to begin that work at the grassroots.
Good luck trying to catch up...because our ancestors a deserved what was due for their childrens
I firmly agree brotha. Same with politics, we need to turn away from relying on Democrats and Republicans to fix the issues that plague our communities that they fucking caused in the first place. Both sides crippled our people then our communities and have the balls to say they depend on the minority vote. We as the afro american community NEED to start investing into our OWN education, own politics, economy just a whole separate state in itself. Like you said we have enough intellect and wealth as a collective to actually make this necessary move in action.
“Predominantly white school districts in the US get $23 billion a year more than districts that educate mostly non-white children, an education advocacy group says” - CNN
I'm black. I outshined many of my Asian classmates whose smugness I found off-putting. They were convinced that they had some kind of monopoly on thinking.
@@AdamGeest LMAO. No. Keep dreaming.
I would have loved for you to sit in with Crowder on this subject. In his video (about the same time as yours) he claims that Asian's applying for Harvard are required to score higher on SATs. I believe he said its was 1450 for Asians 1310 for Whites and 1150 for African Americans. He quoted sources it would have been cool to see someone on the other side of the issue able to push back a bit, so we can find truth in the matter.
He won't. He probably would cry about Asians being over-represented in Harvard with 22%. Or he will start questioning why people are more worried about losing Harvard admission (something that is life-changing) than being worried about racists calling Asian-Americans names.
The guy who did that study says himself that there isn’t enough empirical evidence to say AA is hurting asian american’s chance at getting into college. The study was also a MODEL (not actually numbers from a college) which made the sat score one of the only factors at getting into college.
Raj S the guy mentioned this in the video, and IF harvard is conspiring against asains by making their reviewers give asians lower scores on personality traits, I don’t see how that is the fault of AA. If anything it just shows AA is inadequate at denying asians spots in college since they need to take matters into their own hands and lie about asian’s personality
@@Mark-xw5yt AA is illegal in California and UC Berkeley has over 40% asians.
After affirmative action ban in harvard and UNC. This is still the best episode of patriot act
.its still amazing how affirmative action was built to help people of color, NO ONE ever talks about the fact WHITE woman have been one of the larger beneficiaries of said racial perks..(anyone can research the numbers) .
I also had no idea little Asian kids were thinking some black kid was going to get his scholarship, please understand in that era and still now as a black male we have never felt affirmative action was our way out. NEVER.. We were always told, work twice as hard and expect half as much.... sometimes its gets a little HEAVY thinking of a lot of the stereotypes America managed to convince the entire world of.. We are the only NON immigrants and every year we loose a few more civil rights. imagine waking up one day and everybody in your neighborhood owns a business except non of them are from your neighborhood. I WISH I thought affirmative action made a huge difference in my world of Black America the way White people thought it does. It just doesn't
@D How could you say that? The system is already built against Black/latino students.They don't even have the resources/funding to get into Ivy schools. Why is it that black people were the only ones fighting for all people of color to get into the systems that were built against them, but suddenly those same POC turn there backs against them. That is so sad.
@@bubblegum3142 the only reason why Asian americans dont have the system against them is because their parents prioritized education a lot more than most other cultures.. the system was built against all poc, yet Asian americans managed to crawl their way out by having a culture based around academic excellence. Most asain immigrant didnt have the resources or funding either. they didnt know english too. Affirmative action benefits white girls the most.
@D no they don't
D Actually that’s not true. AA requires that you you be QUALIFIED to even get accepted! So, where did you get that information? Could you share a link please?
Caitlyn Winchester Actually Asian Americans do have the funding. The US government for a period of time allowed Asians with a Special Skill to enter the US. Also, the US government helpless Koreans monopolize the hair market
Hasan is amazing. Gotta give him his props. He is definitely an up and coming comedian. Best wishes and continued success.
That bit on UC Santa Cruz reminded me how I was accepted there despite never applying, and despite not being a model Asian student. That school really must be thirsty, or at least it was a few decades ago.
Lol I felt personally attacked when he came for Cornell , MY MOM WENT THERE 😂
i thought no one would ever cover this, such a good episode.
Im okay w with affirmative action. I came from an impoverished area in vietnam. Single parent household. Abusive and alcoholic dad. Suffered from hunger and was sexually assaulted by teacher and others. Was too poor to sue the school bc they would rather kick people like me out rather than dealing w the teacher. There were no social welfare programs that provided people with food or counseling. Came over to the u.s. with my mom. She worked 2 jobs and went to school for many years...so yeah, there are some asian americans out there who didnt come from a rich household. But im not going to attack or go after other races if i dont get into certain schools lol. Love this segment hasan :)
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@Catty Ra Great. You can go ahead and protest against affirmative action. I'm not stopping you. -_-
You won’t, until you were rejected at the same academic background while the other got in
@@mcnuonuo I try not to think about it that way. If I don't get into a particular college, it's because I was either lacking in some aspects or wasn't the right fit for the institution. Will I be sad about it? Of course I will. I'm only human. But that just means that the college wasn't the right fit for me and I just need to find another one. Getting into/graduating from Harvard doesn't make you a great person. Sure, others will see you as an intellectual or your family will probably be proud of you. Who wouldn't like that? But being a compassionate individual who understands that there are others who have gone through unimaginable hardships and is willing to help is an even more important thing to me. Affirmative action was originally created with the intent of providing opportunities for those who were underrepresented. And I understand that many people are upset because they feel like the policy is outdated and now some colleges are discriminating asians by favoring one group over another. And of course, I'm not saying that what those colleges did was right. I just don't agree with the fact that instead of looking at how we can change/modify this policy in a civilized way, we start verbally attacking other minorities just because we feel like these colleges are showing reverse discrimination against us. If anything, I think we should first focus on legacy admissions and then have a thorough discussion about affirmative action so that students don't feel like they aren't getting the colleges of their choice because of their race. I just don't understand how me liking this segment that Hasan did meant that I am somehow supporting the reverse discrimination of asians because that's NOT what this whole video is about. This is getting way too long and I can't convey all of my thoughts on YT. At the end of the day though, if a person gets accepted into an ivy league and they are not a qualified applicant, I don't think they will be there for long. Therefore, I don't get too stressed over it :)
@@snowflatez I understand your point. But in this country, people needs to be outspoken to be heard. Having an opinion against Affirmative Action is not equal to verbally attacking other minorities.
Also in reality, you don't know why you are not accepted. You can suspect but you don't know. No university has the responsibility to explain. That's why this is taken to the supreme court. This is the last and final place where we can reach to a decisions.
The day is here. SCOTUS has issued its ruling on Students for Fair Admissions v. Harvard, declaring that affirmative action is unconstitutional. :(
Aww boohoo
Im glad you spoke on this!!!
So freaking good. Congrats Hasan and team. What an awesome report.
College admissions should consider a myriad of factors but legacy and race shouldn't be included in those
In a country where race was a factor of exclusion for college admissions leading to poverty of a whole race of enslaved and shunted black Americans - they matter. Their race matters. Their history is valid.
I totally agree it shouldn't ideally be included. there should be other restoration efforts to empower the community. Affirmative action is not even shit and leads to perceived inequality when really, if the community was supported via restoration, that would just be the outcome via equality . Oh well - america will likely never pay enslaved black Americans back like how Germany paid enslaved Jews back.
Before Trump was elected, I had thought maybe the US had progressed to a point where Affirmative Action was no longer needed. But watching the pure hate pour out from Trump supporters over these past three years, my stance today is that the US is not ready to remove AA laws yet. Minorities and other groups discriminated against still need the protections those laws provide. I don't know when people here will progress to a point they can be trusted to judge people solely on their abilities and not discriminate against them for their race or other characteristics that shouldn't play a role in their decision making, but today is not the day.
@@xzonia1 Democrats have been digging their own graves for years. At least Trump dares to say controversial shit and owns up to his own ridiculousness. Democrats just hide behind political correctness and get nothing down. Victimization and labelling anything they don't like to hear as hate speech is what the democrats have always stood for.
If a college is a private institution, you have no right to say that legacy should not be included. Some schools have the heritage and history imbued into them, where students of families all hail from one school. That's something many families are honoured to be a part of, and those students still have to score to get in, except they have a different quota. If you're not happy with that, just create more schools that do not have legacy then. But what's with trying to change other private institutions?
@@user-tk4qd8dj1p Stop living in the past. Literally every nation in the world had slavery. Russia ended its slavery at the same time US did. It's history.
His conversations are always spot on!! Stay True Too Life my Brother!!
“Hey, at least the racism isn’t as bad as it used to be!”
Hey, at least I’m not dead, I just got _set on fire_ . I should be grateful!
absolutely one of the best talk news shows I've ever watched, I'm so glad Hasan took the initiative for his own show, everything hes done has been awesome. thank god he didnt get into harvard or the white man.
The facts mixed in with the comedy plus the amazing background graphics makes this quite amazing
That ending gave me chills
Interesting thing is that for a non profit with no tax obligations, Harvard does make a lot of revenue as such. The legacy and paid admissions still adds some weight chunk to Harvard’s funds, but they’re not in a situation where they would find it hard to run itself
I love those moments when hasan adresses the audinces reaction
i can't stop watching patriot act. and im not guilty about it either because i feel like im learning more than i ever did in college. mad respect to hasan!!
3:36 this is so true it hurts, when my Asian parents meet with their Asian parent friends. GPA is ALWAYS gonna be discussed. No matter what the topic is.
Funny that the same people who believes that a person got that Education, Job and/or Promotion due to their color, doesn’t believe that a person could lose their lives at the hands of Law Enforcement because of their color. 🤷🏽♂️
Because there is literally systemic discrimination involved in college admission.... and there isn't on with regards to police brutality. You could argue that there is SYSTEMIC racism... but that actually requires statistical evidence, which there isn't.
@@JonathanHilierChannel are you dumb?
One thing no one mentions is that Asian Americans are largely not from oppressed backgrounds, barring the Chinese/Japanese who were used/abused to build the railroads in this country. Most of the Asian-American community in the U.S. came to this country after Civil Rights, from countries where they had advantages black and hispanic people never had here. Like Hasan's uncle, my dad came here with a small amount of money from India ($20) in the early 80s. But my dad was always pro-Affirmative Action even if it didn't help his kids (my sister and I) because he recognized that while he came here with $20, he also got a near-free university education in India despite being lower class. He was able to be a CPA in India, which led to him going to UPenn for his MBA, and he came to America without debt. He was able to have a primary and secondary school education which was quality despite his socio-economic status, because India took education of its children seriously post-Independence (when India was socialist, btw). My dad never had time for these South Asian-Americans who literally forgot where they came from. He was a Democrat til the day he died.
Oh, and I got a 1510 on my SATs back when they were out of 1600, , and was top 10 (not top 10%, top 10) in my private prep school, and I didn't get into an Ivy. And I didn't begrudge it one bit. You know why? I knew the quality of my application was lacking because school bored me immensely, so instead of doing extra curriculars I did a lot of drugs to stave off the monotony of AP classes (which I got all 5s in anyways). Not exactly something you can put on your applications. I still got into a great school (based solely on those numbers), and now 15+ years after my undergraduate graduation, I read applications for that school, and do admission interviews in my town, and you can tell when a kid is in every single extra-curricular to pad their resume because they think it'll help their admission, when they're not really passionate about any of it. That's not really the kind of application you're looking for.
I'd seriously call out the Asian-American tiger parent mentality here, more than anything. Being Asian, education is largely joyless with the pressure your parents put on you. Luckily I loved school and learning naturally, so I didn't have this problem, and thus I could find where I belonged and thrive. However, my sister went through school like it was a business, and is now in a job she was basically funneled to her whole life which she really doesn't care about, after she, guess what, went to the Ivy in our family.
There's still massive persecution and poverty now but it's just hidden in part because many AAPI embrace the model minority myth rather than admit there's long-stemming issues not to mention all the barriers encountered by new arrivals including ICE detainment sweeps.
Not at all true; Laotian Americans, the Hmong Chinese in the midwest, and many Vietnamese kids are just as disadvantaged as poor blacks and rural whites.
Good grades=good university=good job, no one cares about education get real. Everyone cares only about the money. Also if you want to flex scores 1550 and 36. 11 5s (senior year results not out yet). What school did you go to? You can’t really have this whole paragraph without denying Asians are disadvantaged and no one should be given a job because they are a certain color
@@babyboo9252 Weird to respond to a year old comment, but here goes: I went to Boston College, based solely on my numbers. Great school, would recommend to anyone. Obviously fell short of Harvard, I was aiming for the whole NE area. My sister followed my dad's footsteps and went to Penn.
I love learning. If you spent all that time getting a 1550 and all those 5s on your AP, but don't care about any of it.....that's sad. I didn't get an education to make money, I got an education to pursue what I care about.
I don't think Asians are disadvantaged in the job field at all. Asians dominate most of their job fields, whatever they choose to do. I think they're probably more disadvantaged specifically in Ivy admission, and that's it. And I don't think that matters. To me, the Ivys can be so selective that they want a diversity of life experiences, not cookie cutter prep school kids who've been driven their whole lives to achieve a certain bar to get into the "right" place to get the "right" job without thinking what they really care about. Tell me, is the 1550 with massive amounts of prep courses both in high school and paid for outside of class (not saying that's you) better than a 1300 with no prep from a kid in a failing urban school? I'd say no.
If I'm reading your comment correctly, you're a HS Senior and about to go to college, so I encourage you to figure out who you are, and pursue that recklessly, even if it doesn't fit what your parents want you to do.
I got a 1520 didn't get in a black kid got a 1380 and celebrated autistic fuck literal insult on injury ... Btw I am a fucken legacy