I think you are being a liiiiiiittle dishonest on the framerates. You didn't mention recording in h.265 (4k160fps) at all, which many are saying is actually fantastic, and also didn't mention that while p4k crops in 1080, e2 does not. I think those two things alone are what's making me consider the e2. Imagine being a wildlife cinematographer and choosing between these two. I think you'd obviously choose the e2, for the reasons stated before. That 4k160fps is just incredible, and h.265 is a great codec.
Speaking of wildlife, some of the new Planet Earth 3 and Frozen Planet 2 stuff will be shot on the ZCam! Saw it in the Facebook group. Definitely goes to prove your point.
Love the no-nonsense intro text :-). But I sold my Pocket 4K and bought a ZCAM E2 M4, precisely for the slow motion. Up to 240 fps, and 120 fps in 4K uncropped. Yes, it's zlog, but it's still great especially with WDR turned on. Either way, both cameras are great and what matters most is your story telling.
Sounds like a black magic sales pitch. Sorry but you missed a lot of important points, and thus the comparison is rather missing the point. Same with you 6k vs s1h comparison.
Blackmagic cameras lack IR filters on their sensors, and should therefore always be used with ND filters to get proper color. Indie Mogul did an in-depth episode about it.
I own both cameras, also the GH5 & FX6 &&&& I think I could make a video showing the GH5 to be better than the others based on the points I choose to cover (even tho its not, but close), i.e. you can't put screens into it, the zcam isn't built for that so when buying, you're not going to open the box and go "Crap, I had no idea it was so small", also price, relevant but being an Aussie I know the Blackmagic culture around pricing is for the end buyer to be the winner and as such the retailer gets very little margin, much less than every other brand. BRAW is GOLD no doubt there, ZRAW is not but many of us shoot in Prores. Overall from the hundreds of reviews I've heard, yours seems to have the greatest bias before you even started, although produced quite well and clearly much time put into it, it almost sounded like BM sponsored you. And I note that you lean towards replying to comments that agree/support BM and argue with ones that don't. I would think many viewers would agree since your thumbs up vs thumbs down ratio is pretty bad. If you did an updated review, it would give this video more credibility
Thanks for the comparison. I just wish BPPCC4k had the same build quality and form factor as the ZCam E2. I'm totally okay with buying a separate monitor.
I think they both use Sony sensors, Flannel Ninja has some good videos on the Z Cam. Do you plan on keeping your Z Cam now? And do you plan on trying out the F6 in the future?
One reason I won't be buying a BMPCC4k is because of the way it handles midtones. BMPCC4k midtones are way too dark and unsaturated whereas with cameras like Kinefinity and Z Cam, the midtones match the Alexa. Take a look at your lgss bull statue shot. See how the midtones are still bright and contrasted at the same time? On the BMPCC4k, the midtones are crushed. I've even played around with Ursa Mini Pro G2 footage and I can never get the midtones looking nice. I downloaded some raw kinefinity footage and it was so much more easy to grade the way I wanted.
Also, it might not be that the pocket 4k has more dynamic range but just better raw overexposed recovery. The Zlog2 footage looks amazing. Far better than the flat pocket4k profile in my opinion.
@@gavinknapp8654 yea zcam is not bad? its just more money plus the zraw workflow is terrible. I think zcam dont want to pay up thats why no NLE wants to support them natively
@@Jsfilmz How is the Z Cam workflow with davinci resolve? I also wanted to state that I noticed almost all dslr's and blackmagic cameras have bad color science when you push saturation. With Kinefinity and Z cam it seems like you can have very vibrant images without the image falling apart. It makes it look like Alexa!
What? Why didn’t you mention how good the E2 looks when shooting h265 and the fact that it can shoot up to 160fps? And it shoots up to 75fps in Pro Res.
@@Oasisplayer311 In the end the final image is what counts. For many RAW vs Compressed is a no-brainer. "You" might want higher frame rates and view that as having more versatility but I agree with @JSFILMZ in regards to "why pay more money for compressed vs RAW." We all know the Pocket started off with "real" RAW and went to BRAW. But with BRAW there is much more power in color grading the final image than it would be with H264/H265. The true versatility IMO is when you say "dial in your own look"....you have to do that within camera vs. the nature of BRAW where one has options "after the fact" to change looks and experiment. Not everyone using these cams are "only" creating for CZcams/ Vimeo etc. I'm sure it's the same with Z-Cam. Heck...the dynamic range on the Pocket is even better than the original Red One. Also,...the BMPCC 4k's low light is very good (I'm not sure why you don't think so).
@@Jsfilmz But why do you need 12bit raw? Are you shooting chromakey footage for a feature film? 10 bit h265 on the Z Cam looks perfectly fine to me. I don't really ever seeing any banding.
@@Jsfilmz oh I agree! BRaw is a great codec. Small and easy to work with. My point was that BRaw isn't like a crazily information heavy raw lite codec. People use BRaw for a lot of the same reasons as H.265.
120 fps for 4096 x 2160 (H.265 only) 120 fps for 3840 x 2160 (H.265 only) 150 fps for 4096 x 1728 (H.265 only) 160 fps for 3840 x 1620 (H.265 only) 160 fps for 2704 x 1600 (H.265 only) 59.94 fps for 3696 x 2772 (Apple ProRes & H.265) 59.94 fps for 3312 x 2760 (Apple ProRes & H.265) 240 fps for 1920 x 1080 (H.265 only)
I agree with you as well. The fact you can use your phone, optimized on IOS, as a screen...I HAVE NO IDEA why he didn't put that into account. Z-cam ftw on screen size comparison considering you can put any monitor on this thing.
Hold up... It just occurred to me that it doesn't make sense you weren't able to recover any highlight data in zraw. Are you sure you aren't missing something in the zraw conversion program it comes with? If you find something, please make another video comparing the dynamic range again. Sorry but it just doesn't make sense to not be able to recover anything with a raw file.
how long did you have E2, couple days? learn the camera, learn all that it can do including raw options, HFR, mobile integration and maybe then, maybe? you'll be able to make a unbiased review
bro ur giving me crap for actually having the camera for a couple of days?Others dont even have the cameras in hand and they review cameras and have alot more views and subs than i do lol cmon now be reasonable
@@Jsfilmz NO :), i am "giving you shit" because you can't , or let's say, it's just wrong to give people "shit" instead of accurate information, that "magical" 4 stops recovery is only because of native braw support in Resolve, soon Z raw will be supported in Premiere, try to pull that trick then:) and you said it yourself, all this just for clicks? lame bro :)
@@welldone8235 bro i cant review a camera for its future features like really? how does that make sense oh btw guys zcam e2 is better because in the future zcam will have x y and z. like i keep saying in the video my video is as of december 2019
if im so wrong about my comparison dear god someone send me a link of something you guys shot in zcam e2 please i want to see. 28 people have said zcam is better but not one has showed me why and how
wedding videographers, run and gun videographers, paparazzi's, journalists. believe or not there are plenty of people out there who dont have 13 hours to set up for a 2 min shot
We just traded in our 3 BMPCC4Ks for 3 Zcams. Clients are super thrilled. Most professionals use modular style cameras like the Zcam where you can build to suit. The screen on the BM is basically useless when rigged up so you still need an optional monitor.
Sorry to say but there are still some mistakes on this video. Zcam has a great and intuitive app on iOS and also Android that you can use to control all camera function using touch screen (or almost all functions [I didnt check if there is any camera funcion not avaliable to change using the app). This app is avaliable since october/19 on Android (not beta as said) and it works really great (almost no image lag using wireless and I can really say it has no delay using usb-c cable).. so its really a better option to have a detachable screen than a fixed screen of BMPCC4K. (Also zcam e2 has a lot of screw ports on all sides, so you can hold your smartphone directly on the camera using a simple smartphone holder in case you dont want to buy an external cage). And Variable Frame Rate of E2 at 160fps really beats all BMPCC4K slowmo modes..
im looking at the android appstore right now and it says this app is still in development so im not sure where your getting your app. And you can have your 230megabits a second 160fps ill take my 60fps braw :)
@@Jsfilmz they can say its still under development, but it doesnt means its not already avaliable for professional use. I downloaded it on google playstore and I didnt noticed any issues... the Zcam app works really great with E2.. You should subscribe on the zcam official facebook group... its the best place to receive the latest news from Zcam.. including directly feedbacks from Kinson Loo, the Zcam CEO ... doing that answer you will get more information about everything from Zcam E2 and will not take risk of need to reedit your recent video comparison like you did today, and you get some great news like Zhiyun and Zcam compatibility is just going to be released on next 2 weeks 🙂👍 I hope not be rude with you, I really like your videos... its just a constructive comment ..
@@casapixel yea no you have to understand that i cant recommend under development apps since if the app doesnt work right and people doesnt know its under development im technically ruining that apps integrity so i usually wait until its out of beta to recommend. similar to why i waited to compare the zcam e2 since the camera was so buggy when it first came out
I've shot with many cameras from the cheap ones to the highly expensive Arris, but I am looking for something for myself that's affordable. That being said, I've used the bmpcc 4/6K cameras and although the images were nice, I absolutely haded the design of the camera, which is why I've been considering the Z-Cam, but the F6 model, not the 4K E2. the bmpcc is just an ugly, chunky, dslr-like video camera.
haahah you know whats crazy though alot of people are the opposite more people want bmd cameras to have dslr form factor, i do too because i want something thats ready to go. my dream camera is arri but i would never be able to afford or rent one, how close do you think the image are with the bmd cams? just curious to know if i should give up on my dream
@@Jsfilmz respectfully I don't think you understand what he is saying. After using both, I find the Pocket 4k/6k to be extremely cumbersome and harder to run and gun. Sure it's shaped like a DSLR, but it's big and bulky and can't actually be feasibly run stripped down. With the ZCam I am able to shoot in run n gun situations with only a monitor, handle, and a single npf970 for almost 4 hours. It's a much smaller setup than the Pocket and much more ergonomic at that. Not to mention I prefer the image as well as the extended options. H.265 is a fantastic new codec that is perfect for a ton of situations, the uncropped slomo is much higher quality than what the pocket is capable of, and overall I've found the ZCam to be a lot more adaptable to whatever the situation.
@@FTGTapGod Yes, exactly. I didn't even mention the whole fact about the external batteries needed. Having all that adds weight (which is perfectly fine with me as I love shooting handheld) but the rig configuration is really weird and clunky. Not the most practical for every situation. And it also has problems with gimbals. Luckily I use a glidecam most of the time, so it's okay. But that also poses problems as I would like an electronic gimbal for certain situations and with the bmpcc, it's not always possible, or I have to be constantly stripping down the camera to do that. I just don't know how the image quality compares in the z-cam compared to others - Needing it for professional use, for paid clients, but also personal use. I need to use it an test it out to really see how I feel about the image quality and how grading is.
@@michaelfrymus I get that. I would definitely find a a way to test one. They are the same family of sensor so image quality is very comparable. The E2 has a better internal processor so in HFR especially the Pocket falls apart, but in most other scenarios the difference is negligible. Form Factor, build quality, and options are where the ZCam shines. I used to daily drive a Scarlet, but have moved completely to the E2 and soon to the F6. Very happy with my experience, but it's all preference. If you have any other questions I'm down to answer them. I've owned both.
This review is trash. The Z Cam does every format and rate that the BM does plus dozens more and saying you'd rather have 60fps Braw than 160fps h265 is meaningless because they aren't for the same purpose. You completely ignore the awesome high speed options which is the main reason I personally chose E2 over BM4. Noise: You used Resolve to process the BRAW which has BM noise reduction built in but you made no mention of the built in noise reduction on the ZRAW software. Did you apply it? If you didn't then it's not a fair test. The BM has noise reduction on your sample and the E2 doesn't. Screen and control: sure the BM4 has an awesome 5" screen but your phone has a better screen. The screen on top of the E2 is a backup, your main method of use is to plug in your phone and use it as a controller and monitor, and you can mount it however you want it, even use it remotely....awesome for a gimbal. The touch controls on your phone are better than the BM screen. The iPhone version is mature, only the Android version is new. Battery life: You must be on drugs. You said the E2 gets "slightly more" battery life. You can put a cheap $20 ubiquitous giant Sony battery on the E2 and shoot 5 hours straight. The BM4 gives you, what? 18minutes in highest settings with the screen on? Doesn't everyone know you need an external power source for the BM?
name one instance you would need 160fps except for shooting cats and dogs running. send me a link of your video when you used hfr. for me i dont give a rats butt about hfr image is key. And why in gods name would you pay 900 dollars more for a camera that shoots less of bitrate, bit depth and quality. if you think h265 is better than raw then something is wrong. Also i love it when people call my video trash and their videos look like this czcams.com/video/RDCdHvaPtZc/video.html. Why am i even bothering
@@Jsfilmz That's not a review then, you could have just summarized with, "I like the camera I have and don't have enough imagination to really explore anything else." I'm not going to try and expand your horizons because that's not my job, but have you heard of "sports?" Have you ever seen a movie about "boxing"? It's an obscure subject but I think maybe there's one or two out there like "Stony" or something IDK. Also maybe "Hyperactive Cow", anyway, smoe people use it.
@@Jsfilmz music videos, commercials, feature films. I just wrapped a Feature shooting with a RED Gemini and we used the E2 for all of the slowmo action scenes. It is a very naive way of thinking to say that just because you don't use a feature that it's not actually used by professionals. I operate/DP full time and see slowmo used a lot in the industry. Also you must have not done very much testing yourself if you think that H.265 is unusable.
@@FTGTapGod i didnt say noone uses slow motion duh that would be a stupid claim but saying my review is trash because i dont use high frame rates and am happy with 60fps and i would rather have 60fps braw than 160fps h265 with lower bitrate. i think its okay to have my own opinion dont you think. Not sure if you actually watched the video or read any of my comments here. nowhere did i say slowmo is useless and pros dont use it
Had a Z1 camera and watched the pocket 4K and Zcam come out to production. So glad I went Black Magic. Zcam will come out with some new product soon, and leave Z2 camera owners in the lurch just like they did the Z1 owners
I mean the Z1 was a cheap small form factor kickstarter project... How long do you actually expect them to actively update it? It still works great and was good enough for Top Gear and NASA so I don't know what else you wanted from them. In my experience, zcam has been the most responsive and active manufacturer I've ever dealt with. Constant updates and communication. Blackmagic is not known for their customer support...
mannnn, the e2 does 4k75 in PR LT and the H265 is very good!! What other camera gives to you 4k120?? This gives you more freedom than any thing in this price point, I get it the flexibility of BRAW and the not so sure better DR, but, being able to rig the way you want, monitor with your phone wireless or tethered, again 4k120, small, modular, and the community and support from ZCAM, I dont see the BM as the better option, to me the BM is for those who dont need the many options and possibilities of the zcam and/or need more flexibility in post, but only this.
@@FTGTapGod bro did u see my over expose test how can u say the zcam has higher DR than the bmd. Do you work for them?lol. even cinema5d found the zcam e2 only having 11
@@Jsfilmz Your test was all wrong. E2 uses analog gain so when you brought the ISO down with the pocket you reduced the gain digitally and in turn shifted middle grey down. You should have left the ISO of the Pocket 4k or reduced the incoming light on the lens of E2 by the same amount you reduced ISO on the Pocket. The highlight recovery inside Resolve is also handled differently. It does not recover something that isnt there/clipped. It has more to do with how Resolve recovers data more than the actual file. When you take BRAW and put it into a smaller colorspace/Gamma like rec709, you try to put 13 stops into 6-7 stops. Since Resolve still has no proper handling of ZLog2 it's not a real apples to apples comparison. Also, Cinema 5D did a great test, but in my testing I still saw slightly higher DR on the ZCam. I think it might have been improved with a firmware update down the line. Not much, but slightly. And the ISO 2500 performance is fantastic. Not to mention the option of 16 stop WDR mode which is great for interview or other mostly static scenarios. Most of my responses are to show the other side that isn't mentioned here. It's not necessarily black and white. Both are great cameras. Very close in image quality actually (except for HFR), but the E2 wins overall for me in usability. I do not work for ZCam. I just really like their product and want others who are debating between the two to know the pros. I actually prefer the E2 to my Scarlett if that tells you anything.
@@Jsfilmz I edited my response because it did make it seem like I thought the DR on the ZCam is a lot higher or something. I find it slightly higher, but in actual practice there is no usable difference.
@@Jsfilmz I think it was just communication. I tried to correct some information I saw in the video, but you said I worked for ZCam... I honestly didn't mind the video at all. You stated clearly in the beginning that this wasn't a review, but people got on you like it was one. The only reason I corrected in the comments was to inform people who were looking for that information. It was nothing against you or your video. Just keep making content you enjoy and you'll be successful.
I love the zcam and I love it's form factor. The Pocket 4K is just alot better. And if the z cam was 1080p, the original.pocket would be better than it. It's a good camera but Bmpcc4k is a different beast.
I never comment on you tube stuff, but I have to say this is very biased review Clearly not used the WDR option No mention of the 160fps c4k And RAW isn’t needed all the time, hasn’t mentioned the other options. But, dude.... you stick with the black magic and I’ll be shooting killer slo mo while you worry about raw
Are you hellapinoy? anyway, I have the BMPCC4K and the E2 but BMPCC4K is just collecting dust. Now for this comparison you are doing, I suggest you get the E2 and play with it a little more because clearly you are clueless to what this camera can do. Yes, everyone has a different workflow but you definitely sound like a BMPCC zealot in your video. I mean thanks for being honest? but be unbiased about it.
please show me what else it can do since im clueless. everyone keeps saying im wrong and zcam is better not one has linked me anything they have shot with it yet. not one
thanks for the feedback PJ. can i give you some too?Upload some videos before you tell someone they dont know what the are doing :) Thanks man send me a link here too so i can see what you can do
Eh, kinda. Eventually ZRAW looks to be a fully bayered RAW, but currently they are both debayered RAWs. Currently BRAW wins in workflow a lot more than ZRAW wins in quality. I like the ZCam a lot more, but I can't argue that ZRaw is a very usable workflow currently.
I just know that in world got 1 guy only wanna to shoot with raw for the rest of his life without know that sometimes he need slowmo. U need to learn more about video production bro
@@Jsfilmz Why don't you learn the camera first because you clearly only had this for a couple of days and now you're basing your comparison with lack of knowledge of the camera. Still trash until you learn and use the camera well. Tip: Don't do shit reviews like this when you don't have the time to play with the E2 LOL!
I'm just curious which parts were biased? The spots i thought z cam should have won were: 1. input and outputs, because the z cam has Ethernet, Wifi, the i/o port and com port, but I'm not a can of it's XLR port. 2. I think the z cam should have won for frame rates, as while the pocket has better record options at a higher speed currently the z cam has the ability to go up to 160FPS which was a missed point. 3. Z cam can record in a 4:3 full sensor anamorphic where as the pocket has to crop; however, the pockets new anamorphic mode is much better than how they had to handle it prior to it being added. With that said I think his conclusions regarding the similarity in color were off. The pocket 4k, in these tests and in my opinion, had an over all better looking image most of the time, but it should considering it captures 12bit color in raw giving it 64 times as much color adjustment potential. In the low light shots the image was sharper and the colors more vibrant on the pocket; however, some of that could be due to the inconsistencies of the lens settings. I would not disagree that the pocket 4k at almost half the price is the better over all value, but the z cam is the better choice for Anamorphic, higher speed and for out of the gate streaming.
@@billyoung9538 I agree with most of your points. I will say that ZRaw is 12bit and low light probably would've still gone to the Pocket, but performance would've been better if he exposed ZLog correctly. This has nothing to do with him, people just don't know how ZLog works without testing or reading the forums. ZLog should actually be exposed to the right and because the E2 has analog gain, you can actually bump up the ISO without destroying the image. So a brighter image with a higher ISO will be cleaner than an underexposed image with Native ISO. I still think the Pocket does better with low light recovery, but the ZCam does better with highlight recovery so it's kind of a toss up.
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JSFILMZ wow i have never seen a worse camera review.... at least be honest.
I think you are being a liiiiiiittle dishonest on the framerates. You didn't mention recording in h.265 (4k160fps) at all, which many are saying is actually fantastic, and also didn't mention that while p4k crops in 1080, e2 does not. I think those two things alone are what's making me consider the e2. Imagine being a wildlife cinematographer and choosing between these two. I think you'd obviously choose the e2, for the reasons stated before. That 4k160fps is just incredible, and h.265 is a great codec.
Speaking of wildlife, some of the new Planet Earth 3 and Frozen Planet 2 stuff will be shot on the ZCam! Saw it in the Facebook group. Definitely goes to prove your point.
Yeah was thinking the same
YES! Just bought a ZCAM E2 M4 for the slow motion. I do wildlife stuff :-).
Love the no-nonsense intro text :-). But I sold my Pocket 4K and bought a ZCAM E2 M4, precisely for the slow motion. Up to 240 fps, and 120 fps in 4K uncropped. Yes, it's zlog, but it's still great especially with WDR turned on. Either way, both cameras are great and what matters most is your story telling.
Sounds like a black magic sales pitch. Sorry but you missed a lot of important points, and thus the comparison is rather missing the point. Same with you 6k vs s1h comparison.
In the sample there seems to be like more of a magenta tone on the BMPCC 4k. The ZCam looked more true specially the skin.
Blackmagic cameras lack IR filters on their sensors, and should therefore always be used with ND filters to get proper color. Indie Mogul did an in-depth episode about it.
I own both cameras, also the GH5 & FX6 &&&& I think I could make a video showing the GH5 to be better than the others based on the points I choose to cover (even tho its not, but close), i.e. you can't put screens into it, the zcam isn't built for that so when buying, you're not going to open the box and go "Crap, I had no idea it was so small", also price, relevant but being an Aussie I know the Blackmagic culture around pricing is for the end buyer to be the winner and as such the retailer gets very little margin, much less than every other brand. BRAW is GOLD no doubt there, ZRAW is not but many of us shoot in Prores. Overall from the hundreds of reviews I've heard, yours seems to have the greatest bias before you even started, although produced quite well and clearly much time put into it, it almost sounded like BM sponsored you. And I note that you lean towards replying to comments that agree/support BM and argue with ones that don't. I would think many viewers would agree since your thumbs up vs thumbs down ratio is pretty bad. If you did an updated review, it would give this video more credibility
Thanks for the comparison. I just wish BPPCC4k had the same build quality and form factor as the ZCam E2. I'm totally okay with buying a separate monitor.
yea they might charge us more if they improve build
I think they both use Sony sensors, Flannel Ninja has some good videos on the Z Cam. Do you plan on keeping your Z Cam now? And do you plan on trying out the F6 in the future?
One reason I won't be buying a BMPCC4k is because of the way it handles midtones. BMPCC4k midtones are way too dark and unsaturated whereas with cameras like Kinefinity and Z Cam, the midtones match the Alexa. Take a look at your lgss bull statue shot. See how the midtones are still bright and contrasted at the same time? On the BMPCC4k, the midtones are crushed. I've even played around with Ursa Mini Pro G2 footage and I can never get the midtones looking nice. I downloaded some raw kinefinity footage and it was so much more easy to grade the way I wanted.
Also, it might not be that the pocket 4k has more dynamic range but just better raw overexposed recovery. The Zlog2 footage looks amazing. Far better than the flat pocket4k profile in my opinion.
@@gavinknapp8654 yea zcam is not bad? its just more money plus the zraw workflow is terrible. I think zcam dont want to pay up thats why no NLE wants to support them natively
@@Jsfilmz How is the Z Cam workflow with davinci resolve? I also wanted to state that I noticed almost all dslr's and blackmagic cameras have bad color science when you push saturation. With Kinefinity and Z cam it seems like you can have very vibrant images without the image falling apart. It makes it look like Alexa!
Interesting 🤔 but I think the z cam is better i have both since I got the z cam the bmpcc collects dust z cam is just easier for me ..
What? Why didn’t you mention how good the E2 looks when shooting h265 and the fact that it can shoot up to 160fps? And it shoots up to 75fps in Pro Res.
your telling me you would sacrifice 12 bit raw for h265? and pay more for the camera for h265?you would?
@@Oasisplayer311 In the end the final image is what counts. For many RAW vs Compressed is a no-brainer. "You" might want higher frame rates and view that as having more versatility but I agree with @JSFILMZ in regards to "why pay more money for compressed vs RAW." We all know the Pocket started off with "real" RAW and went to BRAW. But with BRAW there is much more power in color grading the final image than it would be with H264/H265. The true versatility IMO is when you say "dial in your own look"....you have to do that within camera vs. the nature of BRAW where one has options "after the fact" to change looks and experiment. Not everyone using these cams are "only" creating for CZcams/ Vimeo etc. I'm sure it's the same with Z-Cam. Heck...the dynamic range on the Pocket is even better than the original Red One. Also,...the BMPCC 4k's low light is very good (I'm not sure why you don't think so).
@@Jsfilmz But why do you need 12bit raw? Are you shooting chromakey footage for a feature film? 10 bit h265 on the Z Cam looks perfectly fine to me. I don't really ever seeing any banding.
holy that last shot, the ZCam blows the BM out of the water in skin tones, jesus.
I love the size and battery of zcam E2, but Bmpcc BRAW for the win!
true that
For slow motion wouldn't the ZCAM E2 win? It can do 4K 2.4:1 @ 160fps in H.265 and 2.7K @ 160fps. It also has 1080p @ 240fps in a pixel binned mode.
he only use RAW and he only compare RAW the rest he don't use hahaha
@@LAIYENSU yes i buy cameras that shoots raw to shoot raw. its like buying a ferrari for the autobahn and driving speed limit. i wan go fast mama
@@FTGTapGod because braw is good enough for me? and im cheap
@@Jsfilmz oh I agree! BRaw is a great codec. Small and easy to work with. My point was that BRaw isn't like a crazily information heavy raw lite codec. People use BRaw for a lot of the same reasons as H.265.
to be honest, beautiful lighting man !!!!!
thanks man i try hahhaha
God stuff. thanks for the info. Subscribed!
Because of you, I finally decided what to buy a camera i go with Bmpcc 4k
nice congrats be sure to share footage
Thanks for this. really helpful. Between the two cameras, you're right... unlesssssss I need super slow mo, stick with blackmagic!
agreed
Can't the Zcam do 4K 120?
120 fps for 4096 x 2160 (H.265 only)
120 fps for 3840 x 2160 (H.265 only)
150 fps for 4096 x 1728 (H.265 only)
160 fps for 3840 x 1620 (H.265 only)
160 fps for 2704 x 1600 (H.265 only)
59.94 fps for 3696 x 2772 (Apple ProRes & H.265)
59.94 fps for 3312 x 2760 (Apple ProRes & H.265)
240 fps for 1920 x 1080 (H.265 only)
@@Jsfilmz you couldn't even get THIS right, lol RTFM if you don't have time to actually go through the menu :)
he only used RAW out if that he don't wanna use haha
Yep, uncropped. 4k 160 at 2:4:1 as well.
@@welldone8235 clearly he is clueless.
DUDE! I'm sorry but I totally disagree with you on the screen size comparison. your comparison was good until you got to that point
I agree with you as well. The fact you can use your phone, optimized on IOS, as a screen...I HAVE NO IDEA why he didn't put that into account. Z-cam ftw on screen size comparison considering you can put any monitor on this thing.
Hold up... It just occurred to me that it doesn't make sense you weren't able to recover any highlight data in zraw. Are you sure you aren't missing something in the zraw conversion program it comes with? If you find something, please make another video comparing the dynamic range again. Sorry but it just doesn't make sense to not be able to recover anything with a raw file.
I actually just saw another video yesterday where someone recovered a mass amount of highlight data with zraw
Which wide angle lens was use for the street test @10:11
prolly 18-35
Love your videos man and love how you shoot your videos so film like !!! Its intense and grabs my attention
thanks man.very few like my style hahahaha. appreciate it
@@Jsfilmz for real ? Ha nah man I love it then again raising the shadows is my type of film style too so no sweat my guy
Giving it to the pocket4k for slomo??? Bruh...lol
yes i only shoot braw im not gonna spend 2000 dollars to shoot h265 and h264
@@Jsfilmz so.... a biased decision... gotcha.
how long did you have E2, couple days?
learn the camera, learn all that it can do including raw options, HFR, mobile integration and maybe then, maybe?
you'll be able to make a unbiased review
bro ur giving me crap for actually having the camera for a couple of days?Others dont even have the cameras in hand and they review cameras and have alot more views and subs than i do lol cmon now be reasonable
@@Jsfilmz NO :), i am "giving you shit" because you can't , or let's say, it's just wrong to give people "shit" instead of accurate information, that "magical" 4 stops recovery is only because of native braw support in Resolve, soon Z raw will be supported in Premiere, try to pull that trick then:)
and you said it yourself, all this just for clicks?
lame bro :)
@@welldone8235 bro i cant review a camera for its future features like really? how does that make sense oh btw guys zcam e2 is better because in the future zcam will have x y and z. like i keep saying in the video my video is as of december 2019
@@Jsfilmz don't do a review if you don't have time to learn it.
if im so wrong about my comparison dear god someone send me a link of something you guys shot in zcam e2 please i want to see. 28 people have said zcam is better but not one has showed me why and how
In terms of dynamic range, did you try the WDR mode of the E2?
i don't grasp the highlight recovery test everytime. Who on earth is capable of getting exposure that wrong in the first place?
wedding videographers, run and gun videographers, paparazzi's, journalists. believe or not there are plenty of people out there who dont have 13 hours to set up for a 2 min shot
@@Jsfilmz yeeea
Seems a little bias. Someone that never used either of these would think that the Zcam is not to be considered.
We just traded in our 3 BMPCC4Ks for 3 Zcams. Clients are super thrilled. Most professionals use modular style cameras like the Zcam where you can build to suit. The screen on the BM is basically useless when rigged up so you still need an optional monitor.
Sorry to say but there are still some mistakes on this video. Zcam has a great and intuitive app on iOS and also Android that you can use to control all camera function using touch screen (or almost all functions [I didnt check if there is any camera funcion not avaliable to change using the app). This app is avaliable since october/19 on Android (not beta as said) and it works really great (almost no image lag using wireless and I can really say it has no delay using usb-c cable).. so its really a better option to have a detachable screen than a fixed screen of BMPCC4K. (Also zcam e2 has a lot of screw ports on all sides, so you can hold your smartphone directly on the camera using a simple smartphone holder in case you dont want to buy an external cage). And Variable Frame Rate of E2 at 160fps really beats all BMPCC4K slowmo modes..
im looking at the android appstore right now and it says this app is still in development so im not sure where your getting your app. And you can have your 230megabits a second 160fps ill take my 60fps braw :)
@@Jsfilmz they can say its still under development, but it doesnt means its not already avaliable for professional use. I downloaded it on google playstore and I didnt noticed any issues... the Zcam app works really great with E2.. You should subscribe on the zcam official facebook group... its the best place to receive the latest news from Zcam.. including directly feedbacks from Kinson Loo, the Zcam CEO ... doing that answer you will get more information about everything from Zcam E2 and will not take risk of need to reedit your recent video comparison like you did today, and you get some great news like Zhiyun and Zcam compatibility is just going to be released on next 2 weeks 🙂👍 I hope not be rude with you, I really like your videos... its just a constructive comment ..
@@casapixel yea no you have to understand that i cant recommend under development apps since if the app doesnt work right and people doesnt know its under development im technically ruining that apps integrity so i usually wait until its out of beta to recommend. similar to why i waited to compare the zcam e2 since the camera was so buggy when it first came out
I've shot with many cameras from the cheap ones to the highly expensive Arris, but I am looking for something for myself that's affordable.
That being said, I've used the bmpcc 4/6K cameras and although the images were nice, I absolutely haded the design of the camera, which is why I've been considering the Z-Cam, but the F6 model, not the 4K E2.
the bmpcc is just an ugly, chunky, dslr-like video camera.
haahah you know whats crazy though alot of people are the opposite more people want bmd cameras to have dslr form factor, i do too because i want something thats ready to go. my dream camera is arri but i would never be able to afford or rent one, how close do you think the image are with the bmd cams? just curious to know if i should give up on my dream
@@Jsfilmz respectfully I don't think you understand what he is saying. After using both, I find the Pocket 4k/6k to be extremely cumbersome and harder to run and gun. Sure it's shaped like a DSLR, but it's big and bulky and can't actually be feasibly run stripped down.
With the ZCam I am able to shoot in run n gun situations with only a monitor, handle, and a single npf970 for almost 4 hours. It's a much smaller setup than the Pocket and much more ergonomic at that.
Not to mention I prefer the image as well as the extended options. H.265 is a fantastic new codec that is perfect for a ton of situations, the uncropped slomo is much higher quality than what the pocket is capable of, and overall I've found the ZCam to be a lot more adaptable to whatever the situation.
@@FTGTapGod Yes, exactly.
I didn't even mention the whole fact about the external batteries needed. Having all that adds weight (which is perfectly fine with me as I love shooting handheld) but the rig configuration is really weird and clunky. Not the most practical for every situation. And it also has problems with gimbals. Luckily I use a glidecam most of the time, so it's okay. But that also poses problems as I would like an electronic gimbal for certain situations and with the bmpcc, it's not always possible, or I have to be constantly stripping down the camera to do that.
I just don't know how the image quality compares in the z-cam compared to others - Needing it for professional use, for paid clients, but also personal use. I need to use it an test it out to really see how I feel about the image quality and how grading is.
@@michaelfrymus I get that. I would definitely find a a way to test one. They are the same family of sensor so image quality is very comparable. The E2 has a better internal processor so in HFR especially the Pocket falls apart, but in most other scenarios the difference is negligible. Form Factor, build quality, and options are where the ZCam shines.
I used to daily drive a Scarlet, but have moved completely to the E2 and soon to the F6. Very happy with my experience, but it's all preference.
If you have any other questions I'm down to answer them. I've owned both.
@@michaelfrymus my battery solution works with ronin s czcams.com/video/Ykz_uunwqoM/video.html
This review is trash.
The Z Cam does every format and rate that the BM does plus dozens more and saying you'd rather have 60fps Braw than 160fps h265 is meaningless because they aren't for the same purpose. You completely ignore the awesome high speed options which is the main reason I personally chose E2 over BM4.
Noise: You used Resolve to process the BRAW which has BM noise reduction built in but you made no mention of the built in noise reduction on the ZRAW software. Did you apply it? If you didn't then it's not a fair test. The BM has noise reduction on your sample and the E2 doesn't.
Screen and control: sure the BM4 has an awesome 5" screen but your phone has a better screen. The screen on top of the E2 is a backup, your main method of use is to plug in your phone and use it as a controller and monitor, and you can mount it however you want it, even use it remotely....awesome for a gimbal. The touch controls on your phone are better than the BM screen. The iPhone version is mature, only the Android version is new.
Battery life: You must be on drugs. You said the E2 gets "slightly more" battery life. You can put a cheap $20 ubiquitous giant Sony battery on the E2 and shoot 5 hours straight. The BM4 gives you, what? 18minutes in highest settings with the screen on? Doesn't everyone know you need an external power source for the BM?
name one instance you would need 160fps except for shooting cats and dogs running. send me a link of your video when you used hfr. for me i dont give a rats butt about hfr image is key. And why in gods name would you pay 900 dollars more for a camera that shoots less of bitrate, bit depth and quality. if you think h265 is better than raw then something is wrong. Also i love it when people call my video trash and their videos look like this czcams.com/video/RDCdHvaPtZc/video.html. Why am i even bothering
@@Jsfilmz That's not a review then, you could have just summarized with, "I like the camera I have and don't have enough imagination to really explore anything else." I'm not going to try and expand your horizons because that's not my job, but have you heard of "sports?" Have you ever seen a movie about "boxing"? It's an obscure subject but I think maybe there's one or two out there like "Stony" or something IDK. Also maybe "Hyperactive Cow", anyway, smoe people use it.
@@Jsfilmz music videos, commercials, feature films. I just wrapped a Feature shooting with a RED Gemini and we used the E2 for all of the slowmo action scenes.
It is a very naive way of thinking to say that just because you don't use a feature that it's not actually used by professionals. I operate/DP full time and see slowmo used a lot in the industry.
Also you must have not done very much testing yourself if you think that H.265 is unusable.
@@DkGaston interesting i dont see anywhere on this video saying this was a review. hmmm
@@FTGTapGod i didnt say noone uses slow motion duh that would be a stupid claim but saying my review is trash because i dont use high frame rates and am happy with 60fps and i would rather have 60fps braw than 160fps h265 with lower bitrate. i think its okay to have my own opinion dont you think. Not sure if you actually watched the video or read any of my comments here. nowhere did i say slowmo is useless and pros dont use it
Had a Z1 camera and watched the pocket 4K and Zcam come out to production. So glad I went Black Magic. Zcam will come out with some new product soon, and leave Z2 camera owners in the lurch just like they did the Z1 owners
yea i cant wait for the 6k and 8k bmd might be in trouble
I mean the Z1 was a cheap small form factor kickstarter project... How long do you actually expect them to actively update it? It still works great and was good enough for Top Gear and NASA so I don't know what else you wanted from them.
In my experience, zcam has been the most responsive and active manufacturer I've ever dealt with. Constant updates and communication. Blackmagic is not known for their customer support...
bmpcc 4k
winner in color!
mannnn, the e2 does 4k75 in PR LT and the H265 is very good!! What other camera gives to you 4k120?? This gives you more freedom than any thing in this price point, I get it the flexibility of BRAW and the not so sure better DR, but, being able to rig the way you want, monitor with your phone wireless or tethered, again 4k120, small, modular, and the community and support from ZCAM, I dont see the BM as the better option, to me the BM is for those who dont need the many options and possibilities of the zcam and/or need more flexibility in post, but only this.
yea for me i care more about how the image looks so quality and having that raw 12bit and dr is more important
@@Jsfilmz ZRAW is 12bit and the usable DR on the ZCam is (edit: around the same)...
@@FTGTapGod bro did u see my over expose test how can u say the zcam has higher DR than the bmd. Do you work for them?lol. even cinema5d found the zcam e2 only having 11
@@Jsfilmz Your test was all wrong. E2 uses analog gain so when you brought the ISO down with the pocket you reduced the gain digitally and in turn shifted middle grey down.
You should have left the ISO of the Pocket 4k or reduced the incoming light on the lens of E2 by the same amount you reduced ISO on the Pocket.
The highlight recovery inside Resolve is also handled differently. It does not recover something that isnt there/clipped. It has more to do with how Resolve recovers data more than the actual file.
When you take BRAW and put it into a smaller colorspace/Gamma like rec709, you try to put 13 stops into 6-7 stops. Since Resolve still has no proper handling of ZLog2 it's not a real apples to apples comparison.
Also, Cinema 5D did a great test, but in my testing I still saw slightly higher DR on the ZCam. I think it might have been improved with a firmware update down the line. Not much, but slightly. And the ISO 2500 performance is fantastic. Not to mention the option of 16 stop WDR mode which is great for interview or other mostly static scenarios.
Most of my responses are to show the other side that isn't mentioned here. It's not necessarily black and white. Both are great cameras. Very close in image quality actually (except for HFR), but the E2 wins overall for me in usability.
I do not work for ZCam. I just really like their product and want others who are debating between the two to know the pros. I actually prefer the E2 to my Scarlett if that tells you anything.
@@Jsfilmz I edited my response because it did make it seem like I thought the DR on the ZCam is a lot higher or something. I find it slightly higher, but in actual practice there is no usable difference.
Please don’t stop making the video
He needs to stop if he doesn't know the capability and features of the camera.
video is bias
Hella biased 😂 but hey do yo thing
what the hell, i am a professional and i love your content. how do you get so much dislikes
yea youtube is tough man idk what im doing wrong
agreed you are doing a good job =) great content! subbed!
@@Jsfilmz I think it was just communication. I tried to correct some information I saw in the video, but you said I worked for ZCam...
I honestly didn't mind the video at all. You stated clearly in the beginning that this wasn't a review, but people got on you like it was one.
The only reason I corrected in the comments was to inform people who were looking for that information. It was nothing against you or your video.
Just keep making content you enjoy and you'll be successful.
Good review
Zcam fan boys will be upset
thx bro. what u shootin with now
@@Jsfilmz ... pocket 4k
Great video comparison man. I really think that Blackmagic is being too conservative when they claim 13 stops for the pocket 4k and the 6k
hahahha yea for sure they understand the game since they are always under the microscope
In testing, usable DR is lower than 13 stops.
@@FTGTapGod nope
@@leebrandt33 forrest clearly gets paid or works for zcam hahahha
@@Jsfilmz I like the Zcam, don't get me wrong. But when it comes to dr, the pocket 4k and 6k are underrated
I love the zcam and I love it's form factor. The Pocket 4K is just alot better. And if the z cam was 1080p, the original.pocket would be better than it. It's a good camera but Bmpcc4k is a different beast.
I never comment on you tube stuff, but I have to say this is very biased review
Clearly not used the WDR option
No mention of the 160fps c4k
And RAW isn’t needed all the time, hasn’t mentioned the other options.
But, dude.... you stick with the black magic and I’ll be shooting killer slo mo while you worry about raw
have u actially used wdr on the z cam? u think its useable?lol
WDR has the worst rolling sutter on z cam, almost unusable with motion
Are you hellapinoy? anyway, I have the BMPCC4K and the E2 but BMPCC4K is just collecting dust. Now for this comparison you are doing, I suggest you get the E2 and play with it a little more because clearly you are clueless to what this camera can do. Yes, everyone has a different workflow but you definitely sound like a BMPCC zealot in your video. I mean thanks for being honest? but be unbiased about it.
please show me what else it can do since im clueless. everyone keeps saying im wrong and zcam is better not one has linked me anything they have shot with it yet. not one
JSFILMZ czcams.com/video/kQcFnC77ojc/video.html shot on Z CAM E2
@@Jsfilmz when the CEO of Z CAM comes in a blasts you a new one LOL
Flat out embarassing. You should be embarrassed posting such an ignorant review. You clearly have no idea what you're doing.
thanks for the feedback PJ. can i give you some too?Upload some videos before you tell someone they dont know what the are doing :) Thanks man send me a link here too so i can see what you can do
JSFILMZ damn nigga why you gotta take it like that. Why you gotta be salty.
Just so you know the ZRAW is a truer raw than BRAW. It doesn't create artifacts.
Eh, kinda. Eventually ZRAW looks to be a fully bayered RAW, but currently they are both debayered RAWs.
Currently BRAW wins in workflow a lot more than ZRAW wins in quality.
I like the ZCam a lot more, but I can't argue that ZRaw is a very usable workflow currently.
I just know that in world got 1 guy only wanna to shoot with raw for the rest of his life without know that sometimes he need slowmo. U need to learn more about video production bro
Trash review. You seriously don't know the capability of the E2.
show me and prove me wrong do a counter review
@@Jsfilmz Why don't you learn the camera first because you clearly only had this for a couple of days and now you're basing your comparison with lack of knowledge of the camera. Still trash until you learn and use the camera well. Tip: Don't do shit reviews like this when you don't have the time to play with the E2 LOL!
@@soulglo3569 thats what i thought all talk without any footage to counter my verdict on the two cameras typical troll
@@Jsfilmz internet idiots, :)
If you keep doing biased reviews like this it will only hurt your channel.
I'm just curious which parts were biased? The spots i thought z cam should have won were: 1. input and outputs, because the z cam has Ethernet, Wifi, the i/o port and com port, but I'm not a can of it's XLR port. 2. I think the z cam should have won for frame rates, as while the pocket has better record options at a higher speed currently the z cam has the ability to go up to 160FPS which was a missed point. 3. Z cam can record in a 4:3 full sensor anamorphic where as the pocket has to crop; however, the pockets new anamorphic mode is much better than how they had to handle it prior to it being added.
With that said I think his conclusions regarding the similarity in color were off. The pocket 4k, in these tests and in my opinion, had an over all better looking image most of the time, but it should considering it captures 12bit color in raw giving it 64 times as much color adjustment potential. In the low light shots the image was sharper and the colors more vibrant on the pocket; however, some of that could be due to the inconsistencies of the lens settings. I would not disagree that the pocket 4k at almost half the price is the better over all value, but the z cam is the better choice for Anamorphic, higher speed and for out of the gate streaming.
@@billyoung9538 I agree with most of your points. I will say that ZRaw is 12bit and low light probably would've still gone to the Pocket, but performance would've been better if he exposed ZLog correctly.
This has nothing to do with him, people just don't know how ZLog works without testing or reading the forums. ZLog should actually be exposed to the right and because the E2 has analog gain, you can actually bump up the ISO without destroying the image. So a brighter image with a higher ISO will be cleaner than an underexposed image with Native ISO.
I still think the Pocket does better with low light recovery, but the ZCam does better with highlight recovery so it's kind of a toss up.