Compare This! BMPCC 4K vs Z CAM E2 vs GH5s
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- čas přidán 12. 09. 2024
- Do they match? Will they cut together? Which one is cleaner?
I compare the Z CAM E2, BMPCC 4K, and Lumix GH5s.
All three of these cameras feature the same or similar dual ISO sensor, which makes them very comparable. In this video I look at side-by-side clips from all three, pointing out differences and unique characteristics of each. Specifically, I cover noise, shadow recovery, rolling shutter, relative ISO, and color.
This is the first video in a three-part comparison series.
Part 2 - High Frame Rates: • High Frame Rates Compa...
Part 3 - Color: • What's Up With The Col...
You can download all of the footage at this link: https:ninja.click/3cam_footage
This was shot using three Canon 35mm FD tilt shift lenses (with no tilt or shift applied) and three Helios 44/44-2 lenses. Why? Because those are the only lenses that I could easily get three of. Also, no lens-specific corrections are applied when using manual lenses like these. The GH5s applies in-camera corrections for barrel distortion, chromatic aberration, and vignetting to native m4/3 lenses.
All clips from the E2 were shot in 10bit 4:2:0 H.265 ZLog. The GH5s was shot in 10 bit 4:2:2 H.264 VLog. The BMPCC 4K was shot in both 12 bit Cinema DNG RAW 3:1 and 10 bit ProRes HQ. No sharpening or noise reduction was performed. The sharpness settings in each camera were turned all the way down where possible.
Color correction and grading was performed entirely manually. No LUTs or plugins were used. I wasn't going for beautiful, but more technically correct and matching the other cameras.
It seems that my experience with oversaturated reds is an issue with DaVinci Resolve. Please check out these two videos for more information:
• Video
• BMPCC4K : Ugly Red Cha...
In my VO I mistakenly thought that the BMPCC footage at 08:53 was Cinema DNG RAW. Upon reviewing my footage I realized it is actually ProRes. Whoops!
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Unofficial Z CAM E2 Manual:
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I'm impressed with the E2's color science. Seems the most accurate.
Corey Machado Yeah I’m seriously thinking about buying the E2 especially since it has amazing 4K slow motion
Sony has most accurate colours. And people hates it. Accurate, doesn't means good.
Yeah look the foam at 0.53, shift from magenta tint to cyan ....
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One of the best made, most thorough and fairest comparison videos I’ve ever seen! Thanks so much for sharing.
P4k has IR pollution. Needs IR Cut Filters. Maybe that's the red push? Also, I think they've addressed some of the strong red channel problems in Gen 5 color.
The red color is from insufficient IR filtering. It isn't something that can really be fixed in post since it affects different colors in different ways. It can be fixed while shooting by using better ND filters that have IR filtering.
Great video. Very straight to the point and informative (not common these days) and fairly humorous.
This deserves a ton of credit. Thank you for the proper comparison using side-by-side at the same time. Everything focused properly too. Perfect.
The most informative videos on these three cameras that I have seen so far. Thank you for making this!
The "red push" in the BMPCC appears to be IR pollution in the sensor. Blackmagic cameras tend to have pretty bad pollution and need to utilize a filter to block out IR light rays when using ND.
Finally a Pro level comparison by a working shooter. And most importantly the comparison between three similar cameras in almost the same class. Thank you for doing this
This is a great comparison. I can see that a significant amount of time, money and research went into it. I'm hoping the commenters who were so quick to point out some perceived shortcomings will download and process Mark's raw footage and post links on here to their results.
Really enyjoyed the comparison without any needless babbling. Great work!
WOW!!! The colors of the E2 are very impressive. The contrast is amazing.
The E2 looks the best from your comparison. The Black magic is too redish and the GH5 looks yellowish. The E2 looks natural.
This sort of test helps illustrate how camera tech has converged and the rather small differences between camera images once they've been processed. Even 'colour science' applied by different manufacturers to the same sensor starts to mean less when 10-bit log images can be pulled around. The focus for choosing cameras should be the ergonomics, audio, battery life, connectivity, monitoring tools and convenience of codecs. We should then point the cameras at interesting, unusual or striking thing and figure out how to move the camera in compelling ways, rather than look for convenient footage to take home and quickly make look 'cinematic'. But we're spellbound by xK and xxxfps and the idea of owning new stuff!
So refreshing to see a comparison video that is legitimately informative and useful!
It's not actually, the GH5S codec has processing and the Pocket camera doesn't. Also the Pocket camera needs a IR cut filter, they cost $40 for a screw on version.
The GH5s performed quite well in this test I think. I like the BMPCC 4k but am against it's form factor and massive number of accessories needed so purchased a GH5s today. GH5s seems to be a better balance in terms of ergonomics, battery life and size. Couldn't really tell much difference between all 3 cameras except for the distracting red colour cast from Blackmagic.
All three cameras use exactly the same sensor in slightly different grades. The rest is processing and processing alone - this is, however, not to say that processing is a minor thing, because it clearly shows how different the images cam come out.
It is the IMX294CJK from Sony.
Great video! I'm thinking of buying the z cam and loved all the information. Also, I'm from Spokane too! It was fun seeing all the shots you got in Riverfront Park.
Wow. You have a similar amount of subs as I do, but the quality of your production is stunning! You deserve many more
The red in the shadows of the Pocket 4k is probably IR pollution. Very good comparison. I will probably get the Pocket 4k and the E2.
Mark O'Russa it’s def IR polution and blackmagic doesn’t coat their sensors with a ir cut filter like other camera manufacturers to preserve maximum sharpness the original bmpcc was the same way the color with air filter is excellent
Generally the black magic cameras have had issues with IR pollution when using stronger ND filters. There may be some present in the shadows as it often shows it'self by shading black objects a tint of red but the high light issue looks to be a problem within the colour science 4 which I hope they address soon, they haven't said anything about it yet but bright reds are much too harsh and saturated atm.
^ This. Absolutely IR issues. ALL the BM cams have serious IR issues resulting in what you observed... it's silly.
@@FlannelNinjaTech Are you saying that you need an IR filter to shoot outdoors with this? Or an IR filter on it in general ?
Yep! ND w IR is a good way to go.
The latest 0.86 firmware for the E2 just turned it into a monster!!! You'll have to redo this test now!
Why? Im I'm interested on the E2...
@@brianbarranteslara i think it added a raw format
Dear,
Allow me to introduce myself first. This is Fangyue Li, ZCAM E2 sales manager of Beijing Videostar Co., Ltd. And Videostar is a major distributor of ZCAM E2 in China.
I saw your review videos about ZCAM E2 recently. Really impressed!
So I would like to ask your permission to share your videos on Chinese video websites without editing the content, but adding Chinese subtitle only.
Please kindly let me know if that is possible or if you have any questions. Thank you!
the blackmagic is more work to edit in post due to it being raw files rather than just shooting log with the other 2 in h265 the color you getting off the blackmagic is all due to the color grade
It is braw now, which is much easier on the computer. But that red shift is why I am a bit concerned. I thought it would be taken care of simply with a lut, but now I have this question to deal with. Anyway, the bmpcc 4k is as far as my budget can stretch, and my next cam will not be a panasonic, so... a problem to solve :-)
Really awesome video! Thank you so much for your efforts!! I would love to see a high ISO comparison
Thank !
The E2 is very impressing !
For me, the color is better in many case. BMPCC to much red and sometimes the Gh5 have to much dark black.
And I notice 160 ISO on E2 "equal" 400 ISO on BMPCC and Gh5s.
You think to do some lowlight tests ?
Only the shutter speed on the E2 is not very good but I heard they will sell a global shutter version.
Nice job man ! Thank for the comparaison !
@@FlannelNinjaTech Ok cool, thank
All the best !
Wow, very helpful video. A lot of effort has clearly gone in to this, your efforts are very much appreciated
Impressive that you were able to have three cameras going in all these various scenes, especially the band shot.
Am I the only one to really like the ungraded e2 style? 😅
I need more comparison videos like this bro! Very informative!
Great test, I'm hard pressed to pick a favorite. For me it all comes down to what kind of work you do I'm continually impressed with the value for money you can get these days. It's insane to think 10 years ago I bought a sony EX3 for $10,000 which now sits as a paper weight in my office
Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Awesome video and shoot out! Really open my eyes to a lot. The BMCC4K is in my near future, but I also like the GH5s too! Of course price is a huge factor and I do like all the features you get with the BMCC4K and the price is awesome! But as a filmmaker I want to get what’s going to give me the best look!! I’ll continue to read and watch all the reviews on all the cameras and let that be my decision on what I’ll get. Again thank you!!
Great video, I love how you took things into resolve and showed how the files behaved under stress. 👍 got my sub!
When performing test like this, it's always good to make sure all cameras have the same glass. All lenses have their own color Coatings which effect chroma renditions.
For modern glass it's almost negligible
I’m glad I didn’t have to scroll too far to see this. I’ve shot with so many different lenses (modern and vintage) and they all have their own looks and color pushes. It’s not as extreme with modern lenses as it used to be but it’s definitely still a factor.
@@TheJ_G
True.
In the description he literally says he used the same 3 lenses (2 types no less) . I would delete this comment as it’s misleading and changes the focus from a very well done comparison to making people think it’s not a good comparison. Essentially a ton of hard work flushed down the drain because of an ignorant comment that people will believe.
also, what ND did you use? BM have been known to have poor IR filtration. Really shows up in the shadows
The red Push is the result of the Infrared Pollution if you used ND filter and opened your aperture widest to control the exposure for middle grey, yeah so the IR cut filter is somewhat week on BMPCC4k
What is interesting is that it is said that all three of these cams share the same sensor. The Z Cam Zlog is amazing and is it's strongest attraction along with the Z Cam Color Suite.
I am truly impressed by Z-Cam E2, WoW ✌✌
Fantastic breakdown. Really lets you see the quality and detail of these cameras.
Really like your efforts here. Thank you from Toronto.
Also worth noting, look at "Moms Blue Shirt" at 2:00 . Tremendously different renditions. Crazy saturation; out of gamut? Not sure if it was mentioned.
Great video 👍 super detailed. Which camera do you prefer and what do you currently work with?
This comparison I was really curious about. Thank you very much for your effort. I have been following the Z-CAM E2 with interest. but suspect that the 16stop WDR feature is a sort of software trick. Please check the 15stop Z-Log is a fraud or not. I don't know why Z-CAM adheres to the 4: 2: 0 color space. The info I recently heard is that they only supported 4: 2: 2 from 4K30. And I recently received an email from Z-CAM and they were told me they will support 4K60P RAW soon(with external SSD). If they truly support 4K60P RAW and 15stop LOG, it will really be a game changer(and I hope they will reduce sharpness on zlog)
@@FlannelNinjaTech I agree. But there was a clear game changer in the market. Canon 5d, RED one, and Sony a7 are examples. Of course this does not mean that these cameras have shaken the Hollywood high-end cinema entries. But at least it has significantly reduced the gap in image quality. for the small budget consumer. Black Magic is blazingly popular in the market with only RAW and high bit rate. Despite many shortcomings. As a person who supports the underdog. I hope Z-cam are doing well through radical updates. Then, at least more CZcamsr will give the camera free promotion. It will be a good stimulus for MTF and mirrorless market. As a mini game changer.
10bit 4:2:2 both 4K 30 & 4K 60. 4K 120 is 10 bit 4:2:0. New 15 stops DR is limited to 4K 30fps, no fraud. New weak sharpening option (no sharpening at all) will be introduced in upcoming firmware release.
@@ZCAMCC im very much interested in buying z cam E2 need some info this week as im buying either two Z cams E2 or 2 gh5s
1) 120fps has no crop does 240fps is there a crop on it ?
2) does E2 has DCI 4k ?
3) is DCI 4k available in 4k 120fps
4) is it a multi aspect ratio camera with 4:3, 3:2, 16:9 and 17:9 (DCI) or is it just 16:9
Looking forward to a prompt response so i may order quick
@@noumanjavaid7929 1) 120fps no crop. 240fps no crop. 2) Yes both UHD and DCI 4K. 3) DCI 4K supports VFR 120fps. 4) 3312x2760, 3696x2772, also de-squeeze display is supported for anamorphic lens.
@@ZCAMCC thank you n im placing my order soon ...
One suggestion there are not too many reviews on z cam e2 have people review it more compare it to other cams n their footage
All this info u just gave me is no where to b found ... i know over 200 filmmakers in my country and about a 1000 film making students as i am a well known celebrity here in Pakistan i can help u sell so many units coz ur product is un matched great price wonderful specs & i really like the visuals ... but no reviews ... and if u put in raw even with 3:1 or 4:1 compression u will take over the movie makin world
Awesome test. Sub'd. I've been kicking around getting either the E2 or the P4K. ATM I'm leaning P4K because of raw. Hmmmm....
That was informative, I just wish there was more comparison with high DR scenes using the prores of the BM. From that one clip it seems like the pocket will smoke the others if shot in raw for DR but you didn't really dive into how it compares in prores.
Thanks for posting this, I have been looking for more info on the E2. Nice to see some footage of Spokane (my old stomping grounds)👍
BMPCC4K + Speedbooster + Sigma Lens = Insane Footage
thanks mark, great detailed and useful review :) So is there no option for noise reduction with raw on the BMPC4K? And wondering if you tried the wide dynamic range mode of the zcam? to me that is the main point of interest and difference to the blackmagic. I shoot a lot of real estate, without lights, deal with huge dynamic range all the time and i loved seeing the shadow recovery in the raw BMPCC, but couldn't help wondering how the z-cam would compare in that mode.
@@FlannelNinjaTech re raw. Ah yes ha ha. hum. 15 stops not in WDR? I'll go have a look.
@@FlannelNinjaTech Great camera review! I was also interested in the wide dynamic range mode of the zcam and hope you reveal some tests soon. Why would this company need to create a Zlog2 profile that has 15 stops of dynamic range when the camera can already get 16 stops through its wide dynamic range mode? Also, it seems that all these camera companies illustrate a certain dynamic range ability and later after dynamic range tests have been done they're usually 1 to 1 1/2 stops of dynamic range less than what was expected. If they say 15 expect 13.5 or 14. Btw, the noise on the E2 looked worse to me than the P4K and the GH5S especially with the car tire on the driveway clip. What do you think about the noise tests?
@@thinklearndesign7441 So I can't stop the suspicion that the WDR mode is fake or useless.
Cool comparison! Waiting for the high frame rates!
czcams.com/video/DO4ydKqYS30/video.html
all amazing cameras
I came in wanting to like the BMPCC colors and left liking the E2.
Great video, tx.
Excellent Job! I have the GH5s and I'm still waiting for the BMPC4K to come in stock to purchase. I was really hoping to color match these two cameras but after seeing this video, not so sure now.
for example at 14:45 try first reduce the magenta color saturation, i think it will match up great.
Enjoyed the video , but just wanted ask if you feel that the
Z Cam might be a good camera from my gh5 . Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks jf
in real life Zcams biggest sale point is form factor. I own three pocket 4ks lol and z cam e2 too. overall after BM RAW grading Blackmagic colours are better (i think its more than 10 bit) but Zcams rec709 is way better than P4K, just addet some saturation, little down exposure and its done. also riged Zcam is very nice looking, looks like a red lol, also Wifi antena looks like a Arri :d Ipad for directors or clients monitor also looks like fashion :d if you are not familiar colour grading go for Zcam without thinking.
did you use ND filters for these shots? and if so, did you use a good IR cut? If not, that would account for the magenta/red in the shadows, especially blacks and the hula hoop. If you want to really just compare color, then use a super small aperture and shutter angle to get exposure? Maybe that's what you did? Please tell us?
Fantastic review, just curious... how were you able to capture three different cameras simultaneously, particularly the concert scene where the cameras are moving? All on one tripod w/ a rig?
Fantastic review! Keep up the fog good and thought through work
I noticed the black colors are deeper,nicer on E2 and gh5s
Very impressed i was thinking about buying the bm 4k but now the e2 has me wondering. Shocked at that red push tbh
Awesome comparison - great job!
Very beautifully made video! Thanks...
Thank you very much for this in depth test. Can you please do a comparison/review of the FujiXT3 for video please? I would love to hear your thoughts and results.
gh5s and ez cam 4. gh5s just overall little less saturated colors than e2 but overall very good pack in one body. seems best deal
Have you properly converted the log to REC.709 or you just added contrast and density to it? As far as I understand you should be using blackmagic's own lut to extended video to compare those.
Interesting video. Did you use normal DR or WDR for the E2?
I think the bmpcc4k is suffering from IR pollution. If you had an IRCUT filter then it probably would have helped with matching them all closer in the blacks.
red shadows sound like an IR handeling problem.
Hi Mark, I love the video! I've downloaded the footage and I honestly can't see any advantage of the RAW files over the GH5s in any normal scenario. I raised shadows to a high level in the contrasty scenes... still the GH5s was doing great. What do you think?
@@FlannelNinjaTech Thanks a lot Mark for your help! if you are doing anymore testing then please include a little sharpness test. Some people alleged that GH5s has a digital sharpness that is different from the Blackmagic (RAW and Prores). From your footage they seem the same (at -5 sharpness -5 NR ) but since they are all wide shots it's hard to be 100 percent sure. Thanks once again
The GH5S seems to perform better than the BM or am I just biased?
You can remove the magenta from the BMPCC4K in the camera settings.
@@FlannelNinjaTech If you say so. The camera adds I think +10 magenta. I set that to zero and use buttery LUTs REC 709 and I don't get any magenta hue. While an IR filter may in some cases be necessary I have never really noticed the need for one in my case.
I'm coming from a GH5. If I were to get a 2nd camera but not necessarily interested in RAW atm, what camera would you get?
I've been ogling the GH5s and probably would take it over the BM as it has a unique form factor with messy battery factor.
I like how familiar I would be with the GH5s in terms of usage including the wireless app.
But the E2 seems to have them both beat for a camera that steps into a different 'class'. It does shoot HLG, and its Rec709 profile look very nice.
So I think I know my answer, but it does not hurt to have someone challenge it.
@@FlannelNinjaTech That's how I feel about it too. Its more 'future proof' then the GH5s. I think I will go that route and hope that I don't have too much of a problem color matching. lol
I look forward to ZCam getting ProRes & ProRes RAW internal recording, hopefully before October, when their Super35 & FF cameras drop.
@@FlannelNinjaTech Thanks! Which ProRes? ProResHQ?
Thank you sir for your effort and great content! Thats how you do a comparison video!
e2 seems to be the best in color, it looks also much sharper. gh5 looks worst
the zcam seems to beat the competition by alot here, i also notice it seems much sharper, im assuming you used the same lens and tstop for each take?
thank you very much but i still cant decide which camera to buy
I prefer the look of the GH5s
Did u use the LUT from Z CAM? Because the LUT also transforms the specific colorspace of Z-LOG to rec 709. So colors get remapped, then the reds and skin tones should look like they should.
Very interesting comparison. I was a bit shocked about the dramatic red shift of the Blackmagic. As you said without comparing it‘s something you‘d never really notice. Might not be a problem for me either in most scenarios. Where I really see a problem though is with the concert footage. As I shoot a lot of those it would be a definite reason not to get this cam...
Do you think you could make up for it by changing the Tint while shooting?
Thanks man.
Hello, did you use a IR cut filter on the Black Magic? If not you definitely need one before comparing colors, it's the biggest mistake I see on CZcams. Also using BRAW, it doesn't have noise reduction like the internal codec from the GH5s. the noise reduction in post actually reduce chroma(color0 that will remove those pixels quite easily.
wow great quality review. liked and subd.
Thank you for this comparison, I was waiting for that kind of review for quite some time. Is it true that E2 uses the full sensor readout at all frama rates, blackmagic crops in.
even 4K 120fps is full sensor read out.
Awesome! I think E2 hast the best colors, at least from Marcs grading
How did you set up for simultaneous filming of the three cameras? I don't see a View/perspective difference, which becomes readily apparent even in small displacement between cameras, so I wanted to know how you avoided that.
I am concerned about that red shift. If it is so well known, then why is no lut to take care of it? Hmm... I would vote for the bmpcc, because of that raw /now braw/. How hard is it to take care of that red shift indeed?
The cameras were at different apertures so it's the differing levels of contrast will affect saturation.
@@FlannelNinjaTech ah, well 3:39 had different focus points so I assumed - but that does make sense.
Thx so much for this comparison!
My question is what were you grading with and were you using a calibrated monitor?
Hi there, thank you for this! I wanted to ask if you used any kind of filters? Any ND? I own a BMCC 2.5k and these are known for heavy Infrared pollution, which is seen as muddy / redish blacks. Im wondering if this is actually what causes the red push in the blacks that you mention, rather than a color science thing.
The Red push on the Black Magic look's like some ir cut Problem.
I would like to know if you still get this Red push, When using an ir cut Filter in Front of the lens.
@@FlannelNinjaTech It's red channel clipping outside the new relatively narrow color space Blackmagic Color Science 4.
@@FlannelNinjaTech So true.
while the red clipping issue could or actually should (it even happens with their Ursa cameras using the new color science 4) be fixed with firmware and software updates, to compensate for the IR issue you'll definitely need to attach an IR filter.
Moire and aliasing can be fixed with diffusion filters on the lens.
@@FlannelNinjaTech that would be great. Also heard a new firmware released in early January will enable to turn off now reduction and sharpening on the Zcam. Can't wait to see the results
Which E2 is that? The $2000 4K? there's like 4 versions but I'm betting it's not the $800 one lol
3:35 Why ZCam image is so sharp? It there different aperture?
internal sharpening by the camera.
Very interesting. Well done...
thanks you to share the footage!
What lenses would you recommend for this camera?
Resolved. It was my network problem. Thank you
Could you share your thoughts on low-light performance of E2 when compared to the other two? I believe its pretty close, but is it? Thx
extremely useful video.
Which would you buy between Gh5S and P4K? Can you get as cinematic an image from GH5S as P4K? I am getting ready to buy one or the other. Also, it seems like the P4K would be the easiest to use.
Very helpful. Thanks.
A comparison I waited for. However the "reddish" problem is kind of wrong grading.
@W. W. It's not grading, it's definitely IR pollution, you wouldn't get 2 greys to become 2 different hues like at 4:18...Oh wait, like a dozen people already mentioned this >_
wow...E2 looks so much better than Pocket 4K
I have a BMPCC4k was the video for it shot in video or film?