Executions, reprisals and counter-executions - SS Polizei Regiment 19 versus the French Resistance
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- Starting from some World War II souvenirs from SS Polizei Regiment 19, this video describes some of the events that occurred during the summer of 1944 in the Haute Savoie Region of France. The video describes the attacks and reprisals that occurred in Ugine, St Gingolph, Habère Lullin and Vieugy, where numerous French civilians and German POWs were executed. Il also shows the interrogation reports of numerous soldiers of Polizei Regiment 19 after their capture by the French Resistance, in which they describe torture and execution methods, but also explain how some soldiers disobayed orders and were kind to the civilians.
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Hans Fütterer 27.4.1908 Solln
Walter Jahn 14.8.1908 München
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Walker August 15.1.1901
Albrecht Josef 23.8.1902
Allgaier Willi 6.10.1908
Aumeier Franz 1.9.1903
Behrens Albert 8.11.1900
Bergmann Erich 16.5.1906
Blödow Helmut 13.10.13
Bohm Georg 9.9.1911
Böllsterling Richard 6.4.1907
Bolzer Franz 5.8.1908
Botke Erich 20.7.1909
Brückmann Eibe 23.11.1909
Bruhn Asmus 14.3.1914
Burst Hermann 12.2.1908
Christ Eugen 31.1.1909
Daniel Johann 20.9.1902
Dassinger Georg 18.12.1902
Daub Oskar 12.5.1924
Dietzsch Helmut 30.10.1908
Dollacker Friedrich 23.11.1909
Dollinger Franz 10.7.1903
Drexler Georg 27.9.1902
Egetenmeier Johann 5.4.1908
Engelhardt Rudolf 29.6.1915
Ewinger Lorenz 20.7.1904
Faisst Alfred 15.7.1914
Feldmann Konrad 25.8.1900
Froboese Adolf 10.9.1909
Gahr Alois 10.7.1908
Geigenfeind Jakob 5.7.1914
Grau Ernst 18.4.1909
Graudus Werner 7.2.1908
Greiner Emil 4.11.1915
Haberle Benedikt 15.8.1914
Heib Alois 15.8.1909
Heinisch Josef 8.1.1906
Heisterkamp Hans 6.9.1907
Hiedl Franz 22.2.1902
Hildmann Otto 9.5.1907
Höfer Josef 5.10.1896
Hubatschek Josef 16.6.1902
Kelm Werner 7.11.1908
Kernes Helmuth 20.7.1908
Kluth Hermann 25.4.1906
Knauss Fritz 2.4.1906
Kölmel Rudolf 14.9.1911
Kraak Ernst 3.6.1905
Krischan Max 5.1.1907
Lang Albert 15.9.1902
Lauermann Walter 22.3.1915
Liedl Otto 26.9.1903
Lössl Fritz 6.9.1908
Maas Alex 15.10.1906
Mayer Johann 11.12.1908
Meier Konrad 19.9.1914
Molineus Joachim 3.12.1907
Nadig Andreas 6.4.1903
Oetter Oskar 20.6.1908
Ott Martin 12.10.1914
Patent Richard 8.3.1908
Pechtold Otto 24.10.1903
Petermann Erich 12.7.1909
Philipp Josef 3.8.1902
Prinz Wilhelm 11.4.1909
Ranger Friedrich 30.10.1913
Raschke Erich 8.12.1902
Reitmair Albert 6.1.1909
Rosshuber Max 5.6.1908
Ruckdeschel Heinrich 20.9.1904
Sagelki Anton 22.5.1907
Sauer Hugo 1.7.1920
Schaller Paul 22.10.1903
Scharl Simon 3.7.1902
Schill Georg 11.6.1903
Schlawin Helmut 26.4.1911
Schmidt Gustav 5.1.1910
Schreyer Gerhard 1.7.1910
Schrödinger Ludwig 15.8.1903
Steinacker Hans 29.6.1906
Stern Edmund 22.3.1901
Strehl Rudolf 20.7.1903
Such Alfred 24.8.1916
Tribillian Josef 13.1.1915
Trost Karl 18.1.1902
Waskewitz Otto 26.9.1902
Wiesen Karl 20.6.1905
Wilk Franz 9.10.1906
Wimmösterer Georg 5.4.1902
Wirth Lorenz 5.5.1909
Zacher Hugo 31.10.1902
Zacherl Martin 7.11.1901
Zachow Richard 15.1.1902 - Zábava
So refreshing to hear an intelligent approach to guilt - individual and collective guilt. You are spot on. And even if it is common sense, unfortunately the chief narrators of history, be it Hollywood, the media, politicians or others... they are constantly making it a one dimensional black and white story that doesn't correspond to the reality on the ground. Love your work. Truly inspiring.
No background music or flashy graphics, just a great piece of thought provoking scholarship. Thank you Jean-Loup
Yes indeed❤ Well done!!
Most history is told at the strategic level - generals, battles, etc. You tell it at the human level, you put names and faces together for people who are long gone and probably forgotten, that is simply amazing! The events of St. Gingolph ultimately made no difference in the course of the war, but they affected real people in very real ways. Excellent work as always!
As an american, I've always had nothing but respect for resistance fighters. The only complaint I've ever heard was regarding the number of supposed resistance fighters went through the roof after liberation, suggesting alot of stolen valor...
I feel like I should be paying for your videos, they are the best ww2 videos on CZcams , quality is unmatched
You’re certainly living up to your moniker.
You’re either the channel’s owner or friend of.
Either way you’re pathetic and sad.
As an American, a WW1 and WW2 history enjoyer, I never thought the French ,nor recall being taught, resistance as being illegitimate. Like any oppressed people, they fought for freedoms from an oppressor.
Just my thoughts.
Love the videos and the human just like us point of view you have given me on these videos. I have always had heart for soldiers following orders. And your videos have helped solidify that stance.
This is the best researched piece on a small period of 1944 in S France absolutely brilliant well done Jean-Loup
Superb job! Outstanding primary source research. Admire and respect your perseverance to gather the information. Keep up the great work.
"Gott Mit Uns" is a phrase that was on the German Imperial Standard of the German Empire, and it has its roots with the Prussians before this and the Teutonic Order before them. It was also used by the Swedish Empire.
Great episode, it’s good to hear actual historical facts put together with artefacts 👏🏻 superbly presented 👍🏻
Your videos are absolute gold. I can believe they are not more popular.
Maybe if I include advertising for the new triple Big Mac sauce, they will get more views
These are the best history videos on CZcams. The mix of artifacts, primary sources, and smooth presentation is unsurpassed. Thank you @CrocodileTear
❤ beautifully done. You really made me think. As far as the French Resistance, as an American, not once have I ever heard that they were not legitimate. I'm 57. My Mother spoke frequently about WWII. My husband's G-Father was in the Army as a machine gunner & his Great Uncle was in the 612th Tank Destroyer Battalion. American's can surely understand defending your homeland against invaders...
I am a 63 year old American and I also have never heard any negativity regarding the French Resistance. Perhaps, it is because I grew up with elders that had direct experience during this conflict. We live in an era of disinformation spreading like wildfire due to the internet. It is very unfortunate.
Thank you!!! I just wrote a paragraph long comment about this, telling him that I have literally never heard of such a thing. It's so weird and completely out of character for an American to say such a thing, especially about people who were being occupied by the Nazis. He needs to explain himself on this one.
The USA killed more French people in wayward bombing during the post D Day attacks “on Germans” than Germans killed French people during the entire war.
Your videos are sophisticated and deserved to be seen by a greater audience. Thank you for all the work you put into them.
Thanks. All the videos are homemade projects, but dont hesitate to spread the word.
I agree! The world needs to see these!!
@@CrocodileTear Bist du Deutscher? Your German is Perfect.
@@Ahnenerbe18 Nein, Deutsche habe ich nur in die Schüle gelernt ;)
@@CrocodileTear i found your Channel today and i cant stop watching. Very good stuff.
Jean-Loup, I hope you have more in store, especially investigative research. Your videos need a wider audience, you should have many more subscribers. Top quality.
Interesting as always, Jean Loup! Thank you for all your work in bringing this to us.
Merci beaucoup Jean-Loup! You are teaching very valuable lessons, I love your videos about your excavations and research, but these ones who give the damn battle faces and names, are by far my favorites. And I don’t know about anyone else who would make videos from this perspektive. Thank you so very, very much!
Reprisal killings are always so tragic. You can virtually never call them right, but at the same time the anger that fueled them is righteous indignation. That said, most of these young men, regardless of affiliation, didn't deserve to die... :/
I am so happy to see more videos-you do stellar research which really fleshes-out these historical events. Many Thanks!
Oh this is a long one, i got the popcorn out, this channel is the very best quality
A very thought provoking section at the end. Thank you, Jean.
Excellent video as always. The effort and research that goes into these is amazing and fascinating
Jean-Loup your details continue to amaze and impress me. Yours are my favorite historic videos.
Another fantastically detailed, informative, excellent video. I sincerely appreciate your skill and hard work bringing this history to life.
Excellent research, real history - unlike so many CZcams sites.
Thanks!
What an extremely well made video, with very interesting and informative research on a topic we see very little represented in the larger field.
To be able to also get original artifacts and tie them to these events is even more incredible.
I also deeply appreciated the presentation of the moral issues brought forward, and I think you presented them in the most appropriate way possible, very well done.
Jean-Loup, really well made as usual.
Thanks HK ;)
Great video.Really liked the questions asked at the end .Great job thank you
My understanding of the Police being given the SS designation was to facilitate in consolidating power to the SS. On paper it meant the police were now under Himmler's control through his direct actions or his subordinate commanders. It was a massive power grab, adding to the ranks of those under his control. While not many of those in the police units were radicals, the concept was to install SS diehards into leadership roles, thus broadening Himmler's power and control from the top down.
That is indeed one explanation I have read. One of the prisonner interrogations that I edited out said is was done so that the Police would have a military status and be treated as POWs. Perhaps both explanations are correct.
My guess is it worked the other way... Now, when becoming POWs, these 40+ year old guys were "SS members" - and got much worse treatment.
Great video as always CrocodileTear! My family name is Savoie, and I'm always interested to see history related to the region. Thank you.
Superbly presented. So very well researched and so interesting. Thank you.
Another great video, you make amazing content ! The level of detail and research you put in these videos is amazing ! Greetings from Romania !
Your work is first-rate. Thank you very much.
Their is a certain humanity that you translate in your videos; not sure what it is but you have a real talent
Thank you for all you do to bring this content to us all over the world.... Nick Thielen Minnesota USA
Thank you for posting this very informative video. I learned a lot. The details and human experience are so important.
Since my uncle died in WWII, I watched. But after your excellent, detailed historic review, I was disconcerted by your questions, white on black, toward the end of the video. “What the?” I thought, “why are you even asking these questions?” I’m American and I don’t care what you call the farmers who lined the road from Lexington to Boston killing Redcoats with their hunting rifles. Call them resistance, call them freedom fighters, call them terrorists if you must, but then call them heroes, call them Americans. And without this particular group of “terrorists” there’d be no United States to rescue Europe from Nazis. There are no shades of gray. You stand against evil or you don’t. It’s the Fourth of July. We didn’t get here on shades of gray. *** And yes, recently we’ve had our issues. We’re working on it. Every nation has its issues. Happy Independence Day.
The questions were meant to be disconcerting.
If you had asked the families of the killed "redcoats" at the time, you may have heard a different opinion, hence the 50 shades of grey.
One difference between your farmers and this situation is that the German Army was in Paris only because France started the war, not the other way around. The US may have rescued Europe from the Nazis, but then they turned much of it over to the Soviets and participated in the ethnic cleansing of millions while doing so. Let’s acknowledge the whole story, not just the parts we like.
Never disappointed when I watch your research!!
Outstanding video and presentation.
I really enjoyed the story and how you expertly turned it into a valuable teaching lesson about how to view regular soldiers who were draftees. Also you showed a rare glimpse into the humanity and personal conflicts within the organizations and all the different parties involved in the local area. I want to thank you for your work and your good and healthy lessons.
Thanks for your thoughtful comment
@@CrocodileTear Of course
Another really sensible look at humans not sides, great video - thank you.
thank's for sharing this.
You keep impressing with these videos.
Another great video!
Really really great! Thank you very much!
As usual was very interesting and informative. It makes me look at war differently
Jean Loup! Thank you again! Your videos are always brimming with humanity. Life is never black or white.
Excellent as usual!
Very good research and a rational discussion of a civilian's role in defending their homeland. As always, nice work Jean-Loup.
What a great hour of youtube ...i didnt want it to end. Theres so much information in your latest video ....the work you put in is first rate....beats the c##p out of any of the so called history channels. I will send you an email regarding this video if thats ok...i dont want to say it here as youtube has a habit of disappearing comment's....i will do it tomorrow, cheers and thanks again keep up the good work😊😊
Yes, sure, send me an email. I had to publish this video in non monetized form as youtube's bot's immediately flagged it as innapropriate before it even had a single view.
@@CrocodileTear 👍👍
In my experience, Americans feel the Resistance was/ is heroic and neccessary during war.
No resistance no D Day....simple as that
I have recommended you channel to my older son who has an interest in history. My minor in university has spilled over to my children. I’m glad to see they are interested in history from, as it could be said, from both sides.
Thank you for the recommendation
Thank you for the recommendation
Very interesting video with incredible insight.
Just outstanding work!
Most underrated channel on this platform. 🫡
Absolutely brilliant video as always! Thank you for such wonderful content!
Perhaps the edelweiss was Herr Fütterer’s way of showing he was from Bavaria and very proud to be Bavarian. Edelweiss is a symbol of Bavaria and München where he was born.
This Edelweiss is the official German army Edelweiss badge for mountain troops.
Very comprehensive, as always. Before you revealed that Fütterer was born in Munich (or Solln, which is nowadays part of Munich), I knew he was from Bavaria. If things are "in order", e.g. people didn´t move from one part of the country to another, you can normally tell where the people approximately come from; there are specific bavarian, austrian, swabian etc. last names. This is not true anymore today, of course.
That does look like blood inside the liner. I own a number of KIA and (potentially) WIA lids, and the forensics on the lufty helmet are pretty consistent. Your research and items are next level, thank you for every video! All dialogue is extremely on point, and is very much done properly as a true historian, amazing work, thank you.
I want to emphasize: head wounds to tend to bleed out quite a bit, an injury can read as death on some liners and get corrected by historical references of men surviving. Unfortunately the exact opposite occurs many times as well, where a seemingly low blood wound on a liner is found as KIA through reference.
What's a lid ? Oh do you mean hat or helmet ? If so why not just say helmet or headgear better yet instead of slang that Europeans and even myself don't usually encounter. Thanks make it easy on us that don't know slang so we can grasp the cliff thanks best regards 😉
Thanks. I have the equipment for testing for primate blood and will do a vid about the test.
@@CrocodileTear Do you do DNA extractions and forensic genealogy?
@@DM-sp3zs No, DNA testing is strictly controled in many european countries and can only be done on the orders of a prosecutor.
Bravo! Thank you, Excellent
Really interesting to see the artefacts along with paperwork. So much information that would otherwise not see the light of day. many thanks for sharing 2x👍
Great video 👏👏👏
Very interesting!
Thank you.
War. War never changes.
Another great researched documentary you have produced. 😅
Great content!!!!!.....
You do epic work much appreciation 🖖🍻😺
I do love your work. Being born in Poland I have been fixated by history. I could almost touched the war around me as everything around is somhow marked by those tragic events.
Six of my relatives (extending this group out of my ancestors) perished during the war in different circumstances. Some of their resting placec never been found.
I relation to this material, it is well known that a lot of our compatriots from terains incorporated into III Reich and those occupied by Germans for centuries were sent to occupied France. If not a volunteers as Volksdeutche they been mistrusted as Slavs, or mixed race. Many deserted and joined Resistance, or give up as soon as Allied troops approached... Obviously they may not been so lucky always. I know story of few Wehrmacht soldiers from Silesia who joined partisan unit in Eastern Poland. They deserted with weapons, uniforms and being bilingual, all have been a great asset. Unfortunately in many cases it ended tragically as Poles or soviets shot them indiscriminately like the other collaborators. It was a thought time... Partisans on Eastern Front were not taking any prisoners and used to attack Germans without considering reprisals... some say it was inhumane, irresponsible, but Germans tend to burn whole villages with all inhabitants for even smallest acts of resistance. For all "crimes" no matter if it was a steeling sack od coal, hiding Jews or killing a German punishment was the same. Death.
I common understanding most crimes were committed by SS, SD or Gestapo but in reality as you proofed here, even in the West, Polizei, Gendarmerie, Kripo, Sipo, Selbschutz, Grenshutz, Bahnschutz where involved in mass executions.
It's syrang when you see Saving Private Ryan scene where two, possibly innocent Czechs are killed by allied soldiers when many members of Motorised Gendarmerie Battalions were working in German Police after war or like Hientz Reinefarth manged to be a respectful citizens, even town presidents or politicians.
About the policearchive in munich: im not too sure about this particular part of german police history but in current day germany the police is governed independently (exept for the Bundespolizei) by the federal states (like for example Baden Württemberg). So basically my assumtion would be, that the federal government of bavaria keeps record of the policemen of the ns era since they would be the governing body responsible for keeping track of these policemen. On another note great video as always 👍
That sounds like a very good explanation
Hello! Really nice Video, I really enjoyed it.
For the "Edelweiss", my grandfather had one too, and it is called "Gebirgsjäger Edelweiss Abzeichen". He was stationed in Italy in the mountains as a German Mountain trooper (not sure if this is the right term here in english, I'm not a native speaker). It was pinned to the cap of the soldier like in this video. Maybe you can find more to the Edelweiss Abzeichen if you use the term "Gebirgsjäger Edelweiss Abzeichen".
Bravo, merci de faire vivre la mémoire de nos anciens
Merci. Vois avez vu que je fais aussi les vidéos en francais maintenant a "Crocodile tear en francais"?
Very interesting!
Excellent points about the resistance, overwhelming positive logic. You actually changed my opinion.
Thank you... Wow
I am 73, infantry Veterans Vietnam. Not many people have taught this old dog new tricks. LOL
If the soldier is a German guy he is a "thief", if the soldier is allied guy is a "liberator" even if the situation is the same.
Merci (From fr)
Ive read somewhere, long time ago, that the edelweiss, is a sign of the soldier has been over the tree-limit, in mountains.
Maybe that's why it's there.
Thanks for another great upload 👌👍💪
Are you maybe remembering what Lt. Nixon says in the Band of Brothers miniseries? Doesn't mean it isn't true of course ;) I've never heard of it from a German source myself.
@@mattl3729 Bingo 👌👌 I couldn't remember where i had the info from. You're right, then it's maybe not true.
@@mattl3729 ive done a little research. The edelweiss goes back to WW1. It was a sign of a brave soldier. Apparently the germans continued to do it. However, it seems like what Lt. Nixon is saying, is fiction.
But thanks for help, mate 👌👍 Ive actually several times, after my comment, been thinking : where the hell was it i read that.
It's the cap and sleeve insignia of the Gebirgsjäger units, mountain infantry. There were several Divisions of these both in the Army and Waffen-SS.
Good stuff. As the French interrogations of German prisoners clearly identified the sadists/criminals do you know whether the French authorities specifically included those among the 80 reprisal executions? Have you compared the lists?
I have not made a careful comparison, but I should. But no, what they did was first execute people and then they later did the interrogations. Capt Christ, who numerous people said has prohibited maltreating prisonners, was for example amongst the executed. I guess as his more famous homonym, his fate was to pay for the guilt of others 😄 Some things run in the family.
They were “clearly identified” if you accept hearsay evidence at face value. But in western democracies justice requires hearsay evidence to be ignored when passing judgement.
@@CrocodileTear I know this is beside the real point, but in German “Christ” is not pronounced the same as it is in English and the word for “Christ” (the son of God) is actually “Christus”.
I would like to nuance on your "rules of war" comment. I think they are an attempt to get away from the "anything goes " concept of war.
While far from perfect, I would qualify them as "much better than nothing".
Est-ce que les transcriptions de ces interrogations sont disponibles quelque part en ligne? J’aimerais beaucoup les lire moi même.
Merci
Ces documents sont conservés aux archives départementales du rhone et je suspecte qu'elles sont accessibles depuis internet. Moi je les ai consulté aux archives sur place.
Fantastique. Merci beaucoup. Continuez votre excellent travail.
Cheers mate
Indeed I always go down to the pub for a drink after posting a new video 😄
@@CrocodileTear I well earned drink my friend. I feel like I watch these videos and only 15 mins go by. You give us a side that not many people would know about. Thanks brother.
Were I there, I'd definitely buy you many beers for working so hard to keep this history alive and relevant. So, thank you as always for your work, and enjoy your well earned beverages sir!
Thanks guys 👍
@@CrocodileTear cheers!
Another very detailed and well researched video. Gives an insight into the deprivations and horrors of war and mans' inhumanity to man. Poises some very thought-provoking questions at the end. Noticed another namesake, Erich Raschke (1902-1944), was executed as a result of the Christmas 1943 massacre at Habere Lullin. Keep up with the great work you are doing.
Yes, exactly, there is another Raschke listed here, and I thought of you when making the video.
What a grim time!
Edit. Hard topic Jean,
Do you defend the man who coldly kills with revenge in his heart, in the name of liberty, vengeance?
Do you kill the invader who's greatest contribution may be the smallest furtherance of an occupiers military objectives?
A soldier's uniform makes him look the same as all that eagerly comply... And the resistance fighters all look the same to an invader. So damn difficult.
Saw this same problem firsthand in Afghanistan.
In the case of the Third Reich, it was institutionalized terrorism from the moment their armies occupied a country, except for Northern Africa. The German army and SS frequently murdered 20-100 innocent civilians in reprisal for each German soldier who was murdered, and after Reinhard Heydrich was assassinated, the occupants of an entire town were taken away, the men murdered, the women sent to death camps, and most of the children were murdered, as well. Then the town was torched, the ashes plowed into the ground as though it never existed, all bc Hitler incorrectly believed people in the town had helped the assassins. They were innocent! I’m sure you know that between 20 to 40 MILLION innocent civilians (historians don’t agree) were systematically murdered in the USSR during Operation Barbarossa, and the other occupied European countries lived every single day in fear for their lives, from 1939-1945, bc the Germans killed so many, for nothing. The citizens of Holland-which had declared as neutral-were very nearly starved to death before the Allies got there and airlifted tons of food to them. The institutionalized brutality of the Germans and Japan during WWII is shocking, beyond shocking.
@@voraciousreader3341 It’s common knowledge that 20-40 million Soviet citizens lost their lives during WW2, but what’s your evidence that they were all innocent civilians systematically murdered by the Germans?
@@voraciousreader3341 Perhaps you just misspoke here, as I noticed in another post where you lectured someone about not reading enough books, you referred to them as “innocent citizens of the USSR” instead. Not sure how you define “innocent” or whether you’re including soldiers, but it does get us closer to the known facts, so I’ll revise my question. What’s your evidence than none of the deaths can be attributed to the scorched earth actions carried out by the retreating Red Army in 1941?
I'm not sure I've ever heard an American criticizing the French resistance or calling them terrorists. That must be a social media phenomenon. I've been around since the 60s, when WWII vets were not only still around but were pretty much running the country. Every history and every piece of popular entertainment that I can recall glorified or at least admired the resistance. Sure, they were sometimes depicted as grim, callous, vengeful, even fanatical. But I think everyone understood their desperate situation and the nature and especially the acts of their enemy. Not sure what's changed since then.
The Americans in question need to remember Lexington and Concorde and ask themselves whether our own "Minute Men" were also terrorists. If American civilians killed British soldiers over "no taxation without representation," it makes it pretty hard to condemn French civilians for killing Nazis over what the Nazis did to the French.
It is very much a social media thing, and a think of a generation that never lived through WWII.
As always, a fascinating and well-told - if chilling - story. Translation note: The better English term to use for the enumerated "régimes" described in the interrogation report would be "regime" (or perhaps "confinement protocol"), and not "diet," as the term in the report refers to prisoner treatment generally, and not exclusively to food rations.
Indeed, I understood it as meaning diet since there were numerous details about food, but reading the document over again, you are correct.
absolutely fascinating !!! thank you Viva La Resistance
*_War is the worst way for countries to resolve disputes._*
"Gott mit uns" dates back to at least the 30 years war and was one of the battlecries used by the protestant armies.
@CrocodileTear the 72. Ers.Pol.Bat was formed in Munich, Bavaria so it is very plausible that this unit had an "Edelweiß" on their Uniform showing their regional origin
Units were not given an Edelweiss just because they were from Bavaria.
Awesome research , behind the scenes history, a clear look at the day to day of the average man in the struggle against evil so glad my family left Germany at the turn century!
Have you found any records or reports of Swiss towns having boards reporting people’s location? My grandpa is from Switzerland and told stories about them. They were used so families could be reunited or locate bodies.
I have not done any research in Switzerland
I was curious to know where the info for your last part came from? Being an American, and having done some research into WW2, I have never heard sentiments that Americans did not agree w French Resistance. In fact, to me it would seem the dead opposite! America, even at that time, was supplying the French fighters. I love the channel, and enjoy the videos, but I would have to strongly disagree with the last part. I would be curious to know the sources you used for it.
I am not saying it is a point of view held my most americans, I am saying that when I do here it, it usualy comes from an american
@@CrocodileTear Fair enough. The way you put it made it sound otherwise. Anyway, keep up the great work and I do love your content. Outstanding stuff! Hope you have a great 2024!
The Brits called us revolutionary Americans cowards for hiding behind trees and shooting at them. The French knew the price they’d pay if caught and still fought on in the resistance. Much respect to them.
SS stands for schutzstaffal, meaning 'protection detail', so its pretty easy to see why a police unit would share the name
In WW2 France the German forces were the occupying force and would usually call a Resistance person a terrorist. This is just propaganda being used in order to keep the German Soldier in line and not act on his normal instinct to be moderate. I know of no American that thinks the French Resistance was a terrorist movement in general, but there were some elements that preyed on anyone that was weaker for gains be it political or monetary. Those that resist an occupation are generally considered patriots.
It seems some of the soldiers who were in Vietnam or the Middle East and were on the receiving end of "freedome fighter" bullets have a different view of the Resistance, and rightly so I guess.
@@CrocodileTear American type of freedom has to be fought for. I'm glad we are out of those places. Anyone who wants to take our freedom should think long and hard or they will find out what I hope our government has finally learned over the last 60 years.
I know of no American who says the French Resistance were terrorists either. My mother who lived through WWII spoke highly of the Resistance. Quite often it’s the revisionist mindset that doesn’t understand that when you put on the uniform, you become that entity - by design, by default and by necessity. Anyone who thinks it would be appropriate to stop a battle and discuss with your enemy their thoughts on why this war is being fought and to determine if they are in fact a “good person”, is living somewhere in their mind I would prefer never to visit. War is horrible and those fighting the wars bring their own ethics and morals with them. People who are prone to be murderers will in war be a murderer and conversely, those who have a high value of life will also bring that to their war experience. However, as a soldier, your immediate responsibility is to protect yourself and the guy fighting beside you.
Well, I think the Americans think different about north Vietnamese freedom fighters. One man’s patriot is another man’s terrorist. I like Carlin: „ if a firefighter fights fire and a crime fighter fights crime, what does a freedom fighter do?“ The only thing I am certain about is that this kind of warfare always escalates on both sides. Keeping the peace is certainly the best thing.
Get Luminol. This makes it easy to test whether the blood is. All you need is a UV light source. However, it is not possible to determine whether it is human or animal blood. However, I notice that the "blood stains" and the leather on the photos are exceptionally well preserved. The helmet should therefore have been stored under optimal conditions.
These items were all indeed preserved in optimal condition, as souvenirs, which is uncommon in France.
I have a test for primate blood that I am planing us using.
I am an American. I have never heard of any American, thinking the French resistance was negative in any way. This is a silly thought…
Its not a silly thought, it is something I have heard multiple times. "they were all communists, they took no prisonners, etc". With the hundreds of millions of people in your country, there is room for a lot of opinions, including some uninformed ones.
The flower of Bavaria is the eidelweis, I assume Futterer put it there as a reminder or memento.
I am not sure enlisted men in a Police unit could sew whatever they wanted on their caps.
Hans Von Szabados was a Hungarian name maybe "Feiwillinger" or "Swabe" German origin, Hungarian citizen,PSE look after it, maybe he survived the war .Thank YOU wery much!!
Yes he survived and was also interrogated I think.
I do agree with your conclusions in the End of this great Video of yours. Soldiers who kill civilians are not legitimate and shall be executed by any form of resistance. I do love Germany and most Germans, but Nazigermany asked for they devastating downfall of Germany. What goes around comes around... Tank You for a great Video.
@13:18 "Zollgrenzschutz" was German border customs back then.
What happen to the eighty bodies of the murdered Germans? Great video
They are all buried at the German military cemetery in Dagneux, near Lyon: czcams.com/video/zI4leKnzcNs/video.html
Any american who calls the french resistance illegitimate should be ashamed of themselves!!!