Kudos to Linus for being open-minded and taking the plunge. The fact that he's willing to ditch his preconceptions is a good indicator that he's growing as a reviewer. I prefer Windows for its customisation, tweaking and compatibility benefits, I think OS X is prettier, more intuitive, and cuts through a lot of the crap that average people aren't interested in. Fuck Mac if you're planning to game or run obscure/niche applications though. It just doesn't make sense. Best compromise? Build your own machine that can do a triple-boot of Windows, OS X and Linux (any distro). If you want simplicity and aren't looking to do anything super in-depth, boot up OS X. If you want advanced settings, customisation, tweaking or gaming, then go for Windows. If you fancy a bit of experimentation with programming or are looking for a learning experience, fancy a change, or don't want to give money to evil corporations, then go Linux. I've gone a bit mental with my operating systems, to be honest. At the moment, I have an SSD for booting Windows and use a 3TB WD Black for Windows storage exclusively, a 2TB WD Black, which I run OS X from and use for storage. A 1TB WD Blue, which I partitioned 70/30 and run both Ubuntu and Arch Linux on respectively. Finally, only last week, I bought a cheap Seagate 500GB HDD to try Windows 10 on. The joys of a big case with lots of SATA ports on the mobo! :D
+Max van Schoonderwoerd Anyone dumb enough to go to an Apple store and buy one of these will not see a difference. There was a video I saw of an iPhone clone running Android with an i0S skin and a really low screen resolution being shown to random people on the street. They were told it was the new iPhone and they were all shocked at how good it looked and how well it worked. Moral of the story? Apple fans love anything Apple does.
+Dominik Gajda Yes Yes, android is the suporior masterrace, windows is the leader of ur group. Mac's are stupid. Windows is great. Everyone that buys Apple products is stupid Feel better already?
Yay 2.5k$ for laptop grade hardware that won't even challenge a high end pc. 4 fucking USB (-2 for mouse and keyboard; I wont use that wireless bullshit) A shitty OS that won't run games or .Net applications (and also is slow as hell). On top of that you can't replace a single fucking component.
i actually haven't used a .net application in years after switching to OS X/ubuntu.... and i actually think that any os that doesn't support a native unix like command line, to be inferior to the ones who do (namely every os that is not windows). also the base model has a 4690 in it. how is it laptop grade when the tdp of the processor is 84W. as for being slow, of course it doesn't have enormous power, the majority of the money goes to the screen (ever seen how much a 4k/5k IPS panel cost). You may not like a mac, and that is your choice, but without objectively quantifying the significance of apple computers isn't a solution. For instance, I don't like paying $1600 for my laptop either (its a macbook pro), but OS X is an integral part of my workflow as a developer, and the costs isn't really that bad (for comparison i dumped nearly $3k on my windows gaming computer, and there are still some things i prefer work on my laptop).
***** The average user also won't notice a difference between a mac or PC if they don't do content creation, and they certainly don't have a reason to be buying a 5k display, which means they might as well go with the cheaper PC and 1080-1440p monitor.
I hate apple. Worst. company. ever. "Oh you can build this same computer for $1000? We will sell it for $2500." Sure, it's great for people who like editing stuff, but other than that, Macs are horrible. Bad bad bad.
5k is unnecessary. My buddy has an I7 and a 780ti PC with a 1080p monitor, keyboard and mouse for $1300. Add a 4k monitor, it would still be about 300-500 dollars cheaper than that stupid mac
hueylax707901 But the reason for an iMac 5K is for photo and video editing, why would you limit yourself? It's not our fault you hate Apple and you're trying to point that anger towards us.
A lot of comments are taking shots at you, but the truth of the matter is, that the prebuilt PC will undoubtedly have better specs, you can always buy a 5k monitor when they drop down in price. I agree that they are uneccessary, a 4k monitor will get the job done, just as well.
I've tried 4k - I hated it. I don't want a microscope to look at text. 1440p is plenty enough in terms of day to day use. 5k now? Fucking ridiculous. People need to look at this in terms of daily use, and no one ever looks at that.
I don't understand why Apple products get so much hate... Are you guys simply fanboys of other companies? Apple makes great products, deal with it. I use an Android phone, which I love, and an iPad Mini, which I prefer over a Nexus. I like both of the devices. I had an iPhone, and I loved it. I have a Kindle Fire HD, it sucks. It's good for reading books. Does that make me hate the Kindles and Amazon? No. I am eagerly waiting for them to release a product worth buying. I am interested in Amazon Echo. Can't we all just live in peace and respect each others opinion? Well, of course we can't, this is the internet -_- At least stop hating Apple. And Apple fanboys stop hating everyone else.
I think the hate feel more like troll hate tbh, anyone with tech level could tell that it just different OS inside different hardware. Price are high because people are willing to pay at that price, if a lot of people stop buying at that price it will drop for example the Xbox One.
"I don't understand why Apple products get so much hate..." I hate Apple for the same reason i hate Alienware; they are overpriced. On top of that what seems to be more locked down OS.
Here in a nutshell is why I hate Apple, and honestly its not their fault but their fanboy's! Being a gamer I built a gaming pc as did a few of my friends, but one guy said why would you get a pc, mac is way better? Knowing full well he was just a fanboy, we asked him to explain why mac is "way better". His best argument was that macs cost more and that the last time he used windows it was slow (like, what does that even mean?). He spent 3k on his mac and we tried to explain for probably about half the price you could build a pc that would out perform it. We asked him what he actually does with his mac. His response? "Work"... we were 15 (not that 15 y/o's can't work and stuff). He also refused to elaborate on what he meant by "work". His final response "you're just jelly that you can't afford it!" So we asked how he could afford so. "My parents bought it for me". And once again "jelly..." Its these fans that just buy apple products because the're made by apple, the majority of these don't even know what their shiny new product can actually do, all they know is that its cool to own one and that's all that seems to matter to the majority of these fanboys.
I personally don't like apple as company, I think they treat consumers like idiots a lot of the time. They do generally make good products, good looking products, well built ones for the most part, and their user interfaces are easy to understand. But I just really think they are way over priced for what they are, and the very closed system they operate in just makes me uncomfortable.Anyways that aside, I think a lot of the hate comes from the overpriced aspect. I totally conceded that their design and built quality deserves a decent markup over just the bare labor and parts..But they just get greedier and greedier with that markup every year (at least on their computer stuff). I think a lot of the hate is based around this aspect of apple. The notion that you can get a pc that is just as powerful for typically less than half the cost. Again, their r&d and built quality do warrant a increased expense but.. they just take it way too far. The only real valid justification for someone preferring mac is the user experience and look...but people that prefer macs..have a hardtime admitting for whatever reason (probably because of the amount of money spent). And that refusal to admit that...and their attempts to try to talk about speed or "power" of the pc..is what just sets the whole discussion on fire. This is not me blaming the mac crowd, that is not my aim..I am just saying that is where I tend to see things get heated. And I am not really talking about the "extreme fanboys" of either side...those people don't bother me much as they exist for every thing out there in the world (mac vs pc fanboys have nothing on sports related fanboys by a long shot), they are easy to drown out at this point. I'm talking about the people who generally are honestly engaging in a debate about the merits of both pc and mac.
The actual reason for 5K is to keep the same scaling as the previous iMac since a 4K iMac would be scaled to 1080p unlike the 1440p scaling for 5K. No other exotic reason really.
I'll explain the specifics of how it works. OS X does some very smart scaling for their Retina line of computers. They run at a dynamically scaled resolution... sort of. It only renders elements on-screen that would benefit from increased detail like an image for example, while text, menu bar, context menu, etc. simply run at a scaled 1440p resolution. That way it keeps performance up while still being just as crisp if it were natively at 5K at all times.
I can appreciate Apple's streamlining and build quality for as long as it takes me to remember their pricing structure. It is really hard not to hate a company when they'll charge an _additional_ $600 to go from 8 GB of ram to 32GB in this iMac when a full 32GB kit goes for around $320.
Thank you Linus. This is the first time in the history of the internet that almost all of the comments aren't rooting for a particular system. There are actually more people saying that both are good in their own ways. This really shows how much respect people have for this guy. Give him a round of aplause Ladies and Gentlemen.
I wonder how long will it take until the first time you try to pull the screen closer and end up unplugging your machine in the middle of work session.
***** I can't speak for the more recent models. Mine is from 2011. Its not an issue when pivoting with slack on the cord but I always have the issue when there is slight tension on the cord and I try to tilt up. It's more of an absent minded thing.
The grass is greener here on the Mac side. If you REALLY think you need a PC, dual boot the Mac and run Windows on a partition. Also, once you learn to use the Magic Mouse, you'll never want to use another mouse for a daily driver. I'd love to have that 5K display, but I'm not due to get another Mac for about 4 more years. Macs also last about twice as long as a PC IMO.
@duplux, the GPU should be satisfactory for most needs. Gaming is very intensive, but even a basic card can handle games at a decent frame rate and resolution. @Gezza Jones, I'm not saying it's the best, it just has so much functionality in it's form, that it's great for day to day tasks. Obviously it's not a gaming mouse with programable keys, but it certainly has increased my workflow with its functionality.
This isn't really overpriced to all the people who say it is. 5K is a lot of money currently so they include a nice and cheap computer with it. The only bad thing about this is how you can't use it as a standalone monitor. To gamers, yes Macs are bad for gaming but that doesn't mean it's not practical. Yes, most Macs are very expensive but people who buy the most expensive ones can justify the cost easily for using it for multiple years since there aren't as many viruses on it (there is malware for anything you csn download stuff onto and if someone doesn't think so they are just plain wrong).
Dammit Linus you traitor. I have no issues using Apple when they're provided for school or work or whatever, I'd never buy one myself though. It's not even a question of price, it's a question of Apple being such control freaks over hardware. What I love most with my Thinkpad is that if something goes wrong I can research the issue myself, fieldstrip it myself, fix the problem myself, and put everything back together without a hitch myself - even upgrade or mod stuff myself, if I want. If I had a Macbook and something cocked up I'd have to go through -20 degree weather to Temple, visit the Genius Bar priest, pay my tithe to the ghost of Steve Jobs, and receive their official sanctioned response from on high. It's like Roman Catholicism for computers.
"bending under daily use, an epidemic of shattered screens, and high-profile information leaks are features now" I legitimately struggle to think of an initial launch of an Apple product or service that didn't have some kind of severe and widely-documented hardware or software flaw. The horse blinders people put on for the 'it just works' line are really covering a wide scope. You aren't fooling anybody with that line anymore.
***** Or hell, here's a pop quiz: go back in time a couple years. SSDs are starting to become more reasonable in price and the idea of using one as a boot drive and pairing it up with a mechanical drive becomes popular. What do you do? Thinkpad - pop out the largely-unnecessary optical drive, replace it with a hard drive tray, drop your SSD in and install the OS. Congrats, you're now cooking with gas and entering the 2010s and you barely had to do anything with the laptop you already own. Macbook - throw it in the garbage spend another 2000 bucks on a new Macbook, just the way Apple wants it.
TheFPSPower Completely agree. The last time I did a fresh install of windows on my computer was 2 or 3 years ago and it has yet to get a virus or any problems at all. You just have to not be an idiot.
WOAH! This iMac is actually really reasonably priced, 5k monitors are mostly running around $1800, you might as well get the iMac with 5k for a couple hundred dollars more
Thank you Linus, for not only putting your self out of your comfort zone to test this and give balanced criticism instead of just going 'MAC SUX ITS EXPENSIVE AND PC IS CHEAPER AMIRITE GUISE' like many, many angry people in the comments. I applaud you for doing thourough, objective reviews of products instead of just going 'I don't like this brand so who cares'. Thanks for bringing up how 'Good value' is entirely subjective. I currently am using a pair of jvc triple x bass or something headphones that cost me £10 and are perfectly adequate for my needs. I have a friend who bought some seinheiser IE 8i headphones for £280 because he likes listening to high qaulity sound files on the go and is much more into music fidelity then I am. I'd never spend that much on headphones, as for the music I listen to those headphones would not be good value but he loves them and to him they are great value. I'm happy with my choice and he is happy with his. So why can't people just accept that people buy macs because they look nice or because they like the os, or the screen or the form factor or the etc? Just because you don't find it good value does not mean that no one else does. Tl;DR People can buy whatever they want for whatever reason they want. Get over it.
I know this post is ancient, but as a Mac user since the public beta of OS X, when I switched due to my Linux / FreeBSD irritation to OS X and was shocked that a company had finally made Unix beautiful and easy to use, I am definitely a Mac user. (Not a fan boy who has to buy every latest Apple gadget, though... I still have an iPad 2 that works perfectly fine and just picked up.a refurb iPhone 11.) As a software developer, I really dislike Windows. I dislike the UI, the methodology of installing / uninstalling apps, and many other things. I am a gamer, and I do play some games (particularly visual novels) on my Mac, but for most gaming, I prefer consoles since they are a standardized experience, and I find most modern gaming PCs to be tacky with all their glowing keyboards and transparent cases. I mean, hey, if Windows satisfies your needs, I'm not trying to deter you from using it. I just don't like it. The last versions of Windows that I didn't find horrific in terms of UI were XP and 7.
**deep breath** FOR FFS DID YOU REALLY JUST SAY "PC VS Mac" DID YOU F***ING REALLY?! **another deep breath** Sorry for screaming, but I would have taught a Tech Guru like your self would be smart enough to say something like "Windows VS MacOS".... Saying "PC VS Mac" Is the sh*ttiest way of saying it.. A Mac is a PC too.. You cant compare it like that...
foodrunner464 Nothing. They're just seen as more stable. People may argue that Macs are better for graphics & design, but that's not true. It's tradition to use Macs for the arts, due to the more aesthetically pleasing design.
Linus, you can insert a credit card into the gap above the hinge to press a hidden switch that makes the imac tilt down further and reveal several screws that hold the stand to the computer. you can install the vesa mount without tearing down the entire machine.
Yes build quality is important in a desktop computer. You don't know how many times my computer fell out of my monitor last time I took my computer to starbucks for wifi
Byzantine And Sony Vegas/Hitfilm, and any decent music creation software, and Microsoft Office. May as well just sell my house so I can have some useful applications.
mdog95 There is no real price difference cross platform, they all want to just steal you money, just so you can do something that you need to do...i don't understand why they charge such a high price and then they wonder why everyone pirates
Yeah, $900 for Vegas is fucking ridiculous. I can't even tell you how many times I've lost hours of work due to crashes and random bugs. If you're gonna charge that much, make sure it works first ffs.
Mac isn't bad, especially for editing videos. But in most cases, you can get a comparable performance and user experience from a PC for a lot cheaper. Also, no games.
That may be true but considering this thing has a 5k display in it (the only other comparable option is a Dell 5k monitor that also costs $2500) it's really not a bad deal to be honest.
strikewolf42 That is true, but what are you going to do on that 5k display? The iMacs are Apple's consumer brand, so what are most consumers going to do? Well consumer media of course. Really with those specs powering a 5k display, it's no like you can do any work on it anyways. I really wish that Apple just released the display separately, that way people with actual workstations and professional grade hardware could actually use the high resolution display the way it is meant to be used. Really video editing wouldn't even be to well on this thing, and it's not like some light workload like Photoshop or a photographer could really use this thing since the glossy display creates over-saturated colors more than accurate ones, and there's no pivot or anything.
strikewolf42 Right. But the Dell monitor is an 8bit+AFRC one that you can actually hook up to a rig where you aren't going to be wasting time waiting for several times as long while things are rendering. If you want to use it for actual production work the Dell monitor is, hands down, the more sensible option.
Linus made a really good point in this video (Yes I know old video). A lot of gaming setups do look not cheap but not luxurious either. A lot of higher end pc stuff like keyboards and mice and stuff everything is lit up with flash rgb lighting. Which is fine. But the options when it comes to things looking that little bit luxurious are minimal. I applaud Inwin for making some very very nice looking luxurious pc cases so people are doing it. What I am getting at is, there are PC users who want a custom PC but one that looks just that little bit luxurious, say for in a design studio, or a professional work space. What I mean is there are millions of custom PC's out there that look like they jumped out of a fast and the furious movie the way they are lit up, but for someone who wants say the styling of a rolls royce options are much much less.
Sad jealous people in comments, if you cant afford or don't want to spend so much money, good for you. But sit in your corner, take a mirror and argues with your selves. If you have money, 5K iMac is the way to go. Can't wait for more from you Linus! I like Apple products, still I use Windows powered laptop, because I use mostly iPad for everything I need and laptop for me is just a writing machine. Apple ecosystem works great, I am a Windows user since Windows 95, and boy have i encountered millions of problem, blue-screens etc. I have re-installed so many Windows OS, that Windows already make me sick!
"Cant afford it".How does that logic work then? If a person chooses not to buy an overpriced machine with underwhelming specs then thats clearly a logical decision when compared to the alternative. You can build a computer with the same hardware and software as mac for the 1/3 of the price. Dont buy things just because of the brand.
***** You understand that Apple is essentially giving you a free 1000$ computer with the 5k display right? So, please tell me again how this is overpriced?
1. Stress test, tell us its max temp by running any application you want. 2. Game test, tell us how games work on parallels and how much fps you get (I know its pretty much useless but I was always curious to know if Mac version of mobile GPUs were slower) 3. Tell us how it looks when compared to other 4k/5k displays on the market. 4. How good are those speakers on the iMac? Would love to know that!
yeah come on stop wasting our time with " screen is great and look at the connection ports" ...hogshit! this review could have been interesting. - dont make me unsubscribe man - i know you dont want that!
Temps are about to melt the screen, gaming is bad because you're doing it on a mac, it looks the same as any 5k display, the speakers sound like a tin can. Seems about right for the iMac
+Max Greiner So, a 4790k is only like $20 then?......hmmmm. Before trying to be a smartass again educate yourself on some facts first moron. Mac's aren't overpriced, they are priced similar to their Windows counterparts. If you purchased a Windows PC with the same exact hardware as any Mac you would find that the Mac is priced similarly or sometimes much less. A prime example is a maxed out Mac Pro which costs on average $5,000 to $8,000 less than a Windows PC with the same/similar hardware. Educate yourself kid.
At the end of the month, he'll say that he'll go back to Windows PC. Mac may have got the cheapest 5k monitor in a form of an AiO but using laptop R9 290XM is what killed it.
Of course he'll go back as his job is related to PC hardware and techy stuff. Why do people assume that apple could have equipped it with a desktop R9 290X in that unibody design
Had to add my input to the PC vs Mac argument, I myself have a Custom built beast FX 9590 & R9 290 system, But i also have a Mac mini 2.5ghz i5 16GB ram and an SSD. And i have to say for everyday use MAC ALL THE WAY, for gaming dont even think about it. but if you dont game mac is much better, take it from me, i am being non biased, infact i am sat typing this on my mac even though my Custom rig is sat there waiting to be powered on!
Arun Kumar your argument sucks lol "cheaper, thats why they worse", thats like saying " The Xbox One costs 350 $ now so it is worse than on release for 500$" another butthurt apple fanboy wow
Apple haters are calling this overpriced when a standalone 5k IPS display costs $2500 in the market right now. Apple is essentially including a computer for free, regardless of how powerful it is.
It's not that bad but there are the little things they forgot like height adjustment swivel all that stuff and I thought apple would not have that fat bezel so u can get a full image like they said
Tommy Tran Considering that this computer will be used in prosumer and professional applications in regards to video and photos, you actually want that bezel. The bottom chin could go I suppose but that's where some of the computer components are and the black bezels are used to put a "background" per say for the editor. If the monitor had absolutely no bezel, then the photos and videos you would be working on would appear on whatever is behind your computer which isn't ideal for editing.
I switched to a Mac back in 2012 and have used Macs as my main computers for about 2 years for editing videos/photos. I loved the operating system and the overall designs of the machines. I started gaming and switched back to Windows because you don't buy a Mac for gaming, do you? My main point is: people should stop bashing Macs. I mean, they are kinda overpriced, but the build quality from Apple is fenomenal and the OS is very intuitive for creative users.
It's quite remarkable to watch all these comments. Humans never change, and never realizes their behavior from history. It's like the debate, Android vs Iphone. First thing to say, if you haven't owned a mac you don't have any saying. Owning a mac from the year 2007 and comparing it with a 2014 laptop isn't fair either. Give reasonable arguments and not "it's ugly and expensive".
1.No one really uses the argument that its ugly because thats very opinionated 2. The price is a very valid and reasonable point so 3.You want something else fine I think Apple is a dick to all the other companies like intel, AMD, samsung etc.They all create new things for us everybody to use including apple but apple just sort of throws a temper tantrum and sues someone for "copying their ideas" 4. Imacs, macs etc. Are pretty much completely enclosed you can't do anything with them its like a console that you have to replace if you want to keep up and don't give me that "windows slows down after awhile crap" just do a defrag a pc clean up and you should be fine. If you build your own pc you can just pop out the old part and put a new one in and you're good to go 5. My friend always argued thats macs are way easier too use and not only was it stupid but a 5 year old can literally build a computer if you want proof got to Jayztwocents and you'll find the video there of his daughter building one with minimal help from her dad
I have owned a few apple products, and I must say, it's always been a bad experience for me. But I am a hardcore tinkering PC builder. Apple doesn't really appreciate this and this is why I personally don't like their products. But I must say, when it comes to build quality apple wins. In the laptop segment at least. Their phones now have a lot of competition
TheNellyinator 3. That's just silly, everyone sues everyone. Don't throw Apple under the bus, for example Samsung sued Nvidia today. I guess they are the same then? 4. Apple products have much higher resale value than Windows. Also because of OS X being so optimized it takes a longer time for the specifications of the computer to really slow down the experience. 5. How is the 5 year relevant to the question? Yes In my opinion Apple has a better layout than Windows which is one of the bigger reasons I will never go back. Better layout = often easier to use.
Editors Music all of your comments are your opinion. Aren't you contradictory? You just said how people can't see the other side of the argument. Buuuuut now your doing that? Your quickly making yourself look silly. Does it really matter?
thatbattlefield dude 3. and 4 are not opinions they are facts. If you truly say that Windows computers have a higher resale value you're wrong. Check the market. Also, do you state that Windows is better optimized than mac os when it comes to all-around experience? Not to say the least, do you state that Apple is the only company in the tech world that sues other companies? 5. Wasn't an argument, I was just answering his question. Sorry if I confused you.
llorTA toN Your comment is a bit far-fetched, you are making the assumption that people just didn't watch it via the linustechtips site, no randoms watched the video, you ignored the Mac factor i.e anything with Mac/Apple in the title usually draws a crowd
With so many Apple hating and biased viewers on your channel it was refreshing to see Linus talk about a iMac. Many people unlike Linus haven't ever used an Apple product ever.
I work with macs all the time at college, and I have to say, they arent anything special, the OS is aggravating at times, the hardware is slow running programs lik photoshop, and sometimes even Microsoft word breaks down, something I never experience on a PC
I only use OS X for a very short period of time, but from my experience for windows all these years, it is quite frustrating to use. Even with the latest OS, 8.1, the "windows explorer" is still a thing, on a not bad hardware platform. A lot of other small but frustrating problem too. Like MS word not responding during changing fonts, latest patch won't work, but previous one works instead (what?), etc.
I use photoshop daily because of my work and I have no problems with it at all and infact a tad faster when I was still using windows (crashing issues) but I would agree on the Microsoft word, but thats the microsoft responsiblity to support and optimize their software. OSx alone is great.
What's with the childish comments it's just a computer nobody is forcing anybody to buy it. There is a market out there for this kind of tech and Linus would be stupid not to review it, I wouldn't buy it but I also wouldn't be butt hurt about him reviewing it.
You guys are all joking right? You all are mad because he is reviewing a product that he hasn't before and giving it a chance to see if he likes it? You call him a traitor since he's actually using a product before bashing it, unlike most of you who have only used windows in your life and think that everything else sucks without trying it. That's a joke. You have to try something before you can just start bashing it. That's ignorant.
To me, it's because I see it as him wasting his and our time with something that I'd wager most of the enthusiast PC building community that makes up the viewer base are uninterested in this sort of thing, even repulsed by it. We want videos about tweaking, optimizing, and customizing, not a metaphoric-black-box unupgradable closed-source monolith that is presented to us here.
Stay with me, I might be going a bit fast here...but, well, not everyone keeps desktops in one place. Welcome to the enterprise, where if you're moving 300 machines or more, you feel every pound less that they weigh. Go back to your games.
Linus, could you please next time when benchmarking any PC or PC parts, include productivity/designer softwares benchmark as well? It's good to see FPS in games, but it would cater to more audiences if you include the said benchmark results.
Now that you have released this video, I feel like I finally have the courage to say this on your channel with pride: OSX is better than Windows! Yeah, I said it, come at me. If it makes you OSX loathers feel any better though, I am planning on selling my mac mini and making a hackintosh soon. I'll probably put Windows on it too for gaming. Live on OSX, game on Windows - that's the way to go.
Don't get me wrong, this is not hate or anything, but i have tried OSX, and i honestly didn't like it. If i was given a Mac i would install Windows on it and never boot into OSX. Even when I'm not gaming, i just don't find it appealing
I have the best of both worlds, really. A MacBook pro and a custom built PC. Might one day ditch PC altogether, but I don't think I can. My work place - and many other work places here in my country - are equipped with PCs by the government, therefore PCs will still be part of my working life until God knows when.
FlickMyFuj You, sir, don't know what hackintosh is, do you? Hackintosh is a set of normal PC components that are supported by OSX, and when assembled can run OSX. It's basically a build-it-yourself mac, but cheaper
FlickMyFuj Your comments sounded like you didn't know the difference between the hackintosh and mac. The key is dualbooting, if you like one OS better for one thing, and another OS better for another thing, it's a snap to just run both, and with SSDs they can reboot in less than 15 seconds
Sam Spain But I'm guessing that even if you do scratch the back, you wouldn't really stare at the back of an iMac that often, right? :) Apple has been more of form over function IMO
I made the switch from PC to the new iMac 5K Retina 27". I will follow your channel for tips & tricks! What a beautiful display. I'm pleased with the new iMac!
Yeah it's just sad. It's like putting your hand on a hot surface and then complaining about it being hot but keep doing it. I love all technology, no matter who it's from. Most I'll never buy but still nice to see how advancement of technology is going. People just have sad lives hating on Apple all the time. Say Apple users are hipsters but this new trend of hating on them is for hipsters. Don't believe me then look up the definition of a hipster and you'll see how well it fits.
Muffin Man Hipsters know nothing about computers but spend alot on apple products. Thats why they get the hate. Example from real life. I was looking to buy a new laptop for Uni and i ask one of the people about the features of the Rmbp, they said it has the best ram, (its gold plated) best CPU ect ect, i know thats not the case, but a noob computer user would think the selling points would be true, where as i know they are false
true true... and people should be aware that guy like linus, could school them back to elementary school in terms of "tech" so calling him an apple fanboy, r stupid, or something is really.... well... stupid
Isn't there a mic connector included? One the MacBook it's same as on the iPhone and only needs one connector. Those headphones are compatible to pc but you can't talk there, same as headphones with 2 connectors and a mac.
+Endymion777777 The connector does work. Some headphones with TRRS headphones just don't work cuss they have the poles in different places. Correct placement should be Mic/ground/right/left.
Linus i really respect you and i am a fan of you since you started uploading videos.But its the first time i see you spending really half or more time in a video speaking about how beautiful this product is.We can see it and beautiful is really a personal opinion.We come to your channel to see a review of the product and talk about really if this shit really worth the money to spend.And no right? At the first glance it doesnt.Except if you have 2500$ to 3000$ to spend just because you find something beautiful.There was no reason to upload this part 1 video except to talk about the I/O and how much NOT ergonomic this product is! Keep up the good work always a fan! And guys yes apple makes beautiful products but have you ever considered value for money?
Everyone defines value differently. For some people "value" means it matches their decor, and for others it means it got a little faster. If I'm to approach this without bias then I need to try to understand its value without imposing my own beliefs.
LinusTechTips Thank you for you reply. If there are people in your channel that define value as just their decor and nothing else then i will have to bare with it.But i dont think thats reasonable.Either way i will agree with the above statement.I hope the channel remains focused on performance and value not just decor.Because decor sir as i said above is a personal opinion.You said that you try to be unbiased.How is it you are unbiased if in half of the video you speak about ''looks''.Thats a personal opinion of yours and even if i really like this product for it looks somebody else might not!Why didnt you talk for its enormous bezel as you do in every screen review? This bezel is really BAD!Not trying to be a jackass i love you its just my opinion and dont worry you will never lose me as a fan!!!! :D Farewell!
Really interested to see what Linus's thoughts, opinions and experiences are. I bought my first Macbook Pro Retina back in October 2013 and I've never regret my purchase; I love this little machine! ^.^
I'd actually love to have a Mac. Those things are so well built and they look great. But they are just so costly! Of course I'd run windows due to familiarity. But that doesn't detract from the engineering beauty that is the Mac series. If you deny that they aren't some of the best built computer products on the market, you are insane.
Ehhh, using macs for almost 20 years now. I'll recommend you go for the macbooks only. While the Imacs are great computers, the operating system is really not meant for desktop use. And those retina displays only make the already slow gpu's work even harder than they should on normal use.
Maybe so for Macbooks, yeah (they're grossly overpriced, though). iMacs on the other hand are nothing but glorified AiOs, this one being the only compelling one I've seen ever because of the screen, but they're still laptop hardware stuck on a desk. As for Mac Pros. No, just no. They're not a good value in any possible way. Far from it. No.
The imac has dual microphones. The one on the back is to gather background noise in order to correct for it during recordings. It has a small front facing microphone near the camera.
What? I have been using both and I never had the problem that my Mac started updating itself without asking me (and this deleting the paper I was working on). Also it is a lot easier to create backups (very important).
I jacked my MacBook's SSD up trying to repartition my hard drive after uninstalling Linux Mint, I had to do a complete wipe and reinstall. After the reinstall I restored from backup, and literally, 1 hour later, every single file, application, folder, configuration, calendar, mail, saved browser passwords, bookmarks, 3rd party window snap management software, music file, wallpaper, photo's, word document, python program, excel spreadsheet, powerpoint... everything was back in it's right place. It's like nothing ever happened. One of the perk's of OS X's and Apple's ecosystem is that issues, on the rare occasion that they occur, can be easily corrected. My mother could have done a Time Machine backup restore, it was that easy. OS X is extremely user friendly.
I suppose Windows vs OS X resolution handling would be a good topic to talk about. To be honest, I think OS X is a lot more well suited on laptops. Mission Control helps you make the most out of smaller resolution displays (which is extremely helpful). Handoff, automatic internet tethering, and making/receiving calls and (actual) texts on your laptop are extremely useful when you are on the go. And the trackpad gestures help streamline the whole OS X experience. Though for desktops, I do prefer windows.
Preach it... Windows on laptops is unbearable, and OS X on desktops isn't horrible but you lose a lot of the functionality unless you're willing to fork over 70 USD for a magic trackpad... Using Windows on my gaming rig is great, but for school I use a 13" Macbook Air and I love it.
I'm going to have to agree with that, i love OSX on laptops. Can't stand windows laptops, nor their awful trackpads. But as for desktops... i'd pick windows over osx. I sold my 27 inch imac 2013 for this very reason.
I have the non-retina option, it was bought new about the time you got this one (I bought it a year old from the original buyer, long story), and I have been very happy with it.
the headphone jack at the back, can also be used as a mic port. For example you can plug a headset into it and both the mic and headphones will be recognised and work.
I just 'switched' to mac. (by that i mean its running on my PC... I've got to say, it totally disagree with the comments here. the os is great. it gets out of my way and lets me do my work You have to put a few commands into terminal to see all your folders which is a bit stupid, however it isnt a big deal. Using OSX for music (logic) is a dream, no fucking around with windows' rediculously poor audio system and no janky ASIO crap....i may be one of the specific use cases where Apple is preferable, but i like it. :)
I use all 3, OSX, Windows and Linux. I use each for their own purposes. I hardly ever play games, but when I do I use my Windows machine. My Mac is actually more powerful than my Windows, but there are more compatible games on Windows. I use my Mac for all general purpose, video and picture editing. Then, my Linux machine is for web and application development/programming. I've only been using OSX for about 3 months now, and I honestly have no complains about it. Ubuntu feels very similar, and I've been using Ubuntu for years. I like how it just gets out of the way and let's me do my thang!
Specs are meh, please can you inform your viewers aside from the fact it looks "nice" realistically wtf is the actual practical difference, as a daily driver have you noticed an improvement, Personally ive used macs for editing and photoshop when i have been forced to, i haven't noticed a realistic difference between that and my own rig that justifies the insane price difference and limitations....
Thats because there is no difference. I have a hackintosh on my custom built pc..and Between it and Windows... I see "NO" difference...actually the Mac is a bit slower in Maya3d...
Yeah the iSwitched challenge is seriously outdated now that we got the Apple Silicon machines that actually can game now, as well as more Mac staff at LMG like Jonathan. They even said on the WAN Show they've been thinking it might be time to do a new Mac Challenge. (Also, eww memoji pfp)
All steam games are either cross platform or specifically made for windows so... no, there aren't going to be any mac exclusive titles coming anytime soon.
BlueFoxTV oh my bad... but what do u mean by the steam games that are for mac ? Do u mean how they run or do u mean you want to compare the gaming performance between the 2 operating systems while run the same games ?
***** A comparison would be nice. But over all i would like to see how it handles gaming. As there are mac users that game on OSX. And Diablo 3, WoW or Portal in 5k if it runs well would be sweet.
The amount of hate in the comments and the rating bar really shows how fucking immature this community is at times. Sure, feel free to hate Apple and their products, it's your opinion and thats it. The absolute toxicity of this community is what fucking gets me. Why does it matter if he reviews a iMac? It's called Linus *TECH* Tips, not Linus _PCAndroid_ Tips. It's a computer, thus a piece of tech, so he can review it at his own will. Everyone just needs to take a step back and just get along with each other.
UNIGINE HEAVEN! That is, of course, designed to test gaming graphics performance. However, I think such graphics benchmarks would give us a great idea of the machine's potential.
For the mic part about not being able to put one in the headphones jack, you can plug 2 in 1 earphones in it, like the apple ear pods or something like that, and use it like a microphone
Keep in mind that using a single tile means that the current Thunderbolt on the iMac and the Mac Pro means that it can't be used as a monitor, even if it were external. While a refresh is probably going to be coming soon with changes both to the Cinema Display, iMac, and Mac Pro, until that happens, there's a reason we haven't seen an external 5K display from Apple.
This series should really get a modern-day remake, especially with the introduction of M1 chips.
AGREEEED
THIS! Do it!
From the looks of it, that just might be something Anthony would try? He’s been all over the new MacBook Pro models.
Maybe with the iMac "Pro" coming next year
Agreed
Kudos to Linus for being open-minded and taking the plunge. The fact that he's willing to ditch his preconceptions is a good indicator that he's growing as a reviewer. I prefer Windows for its customisation, tweaking and compatibility benefits, I think OS X is prettier, more intuitive, and cuts through a lot of the crap that average people aren't interested in. Fuck Mac if you're planning to game or run obscure/niche applications though. It just doesn't make sense.
Best compromise? Build your own machine that can do a triple-boot of Windows, OS X and Linux (any distro). If you want simplicity and aren't looking to do anything super in-depth, boot up OS X. If you want advanced settings, customisation, tweaking or gaming, then go for Windows. If you fancy a bit of experimentation with programming or are looking for a learning experience, fancy a change, or don't want to give money to evil corporations, then go Linux.
I've gone a bit mental with my operating systems, to be honest. At the moment, I have an SSD for booting Windows and use a 3TB WD Black for Windows storage exclusively, a 2TB WD Black, which I run OS X from and use for storage. A 1TB WD Blue, which I partitioned 70/30 and run both Ubuntu and Arch Linux on respectively. Finally, only last week, I bought a cheap Seagate 500GB HDD to try Windows 10 on. The joys of a big case with lots of SATA ports on the mobo! :D
He's not switching dude. He's just doing a review
I know he's not switching haha. I think he would lose way too much credibility. I'm just saying it's good that he's embraced even doing one for it.
Oh no doubt. But it's refreshing using Ubuntu and Arch from time to time :)
This is by far one of the best comments I have ever seen on youtube *appluase*.
Why is it good for a mostly enthusiast and DIY crowd to be interested in this all-in-one device?
Anyone else here after Linus' linux challenge with Luke?
how to troll a apple store:
go to a apple store and set all the 5k mac to a low resolution
watch and wait as nobody wants to buy em
***** You've never worked retail, have you?
+Max van Schoonderwoerd lol
+Max van Schoonderwoerd Anyone dumb enough to go to an Apple store and buy one of these will not see a difference. There was a video I saw of an iPhone clone running Android with an i0S skin and a really low screen resolution being shown to random people on the street. They were told it was the new iPhone and they were all shocked at how good it looked and how well it worked. Moral of the story? Apple fans love anything Apple does.
+Hostile Pie Loool. Maybe the smart consumers, but let's be real, at an Apple store, most of the consumers are just sheep.
+Dominik Gajda Yes Yes, android is the suporior masterrace, windows is the leader of ur group. Mac's are stupid. Windows is great. Everyone that buys Apple products is stupid
Feel better already?
Yay 2.5k$ for laptop grade hardware that won't even challenge a high end pc.
4 fucking USB (-2 for mouse and keyboard; I wont use that wireless bullshit)
A shitty OS that won't run games or .Net applications (and also is slow as hell).
On top of that you can't replace a single fucking component.
i actually haven't used a .net application in years after switching to OS X/ubuntu.... and i actually think that any os that doesn't support a native unix like command line, to be inferior to the ones who do (namely every os that is not windows). also the base model has a 4690 in it. how is it laptop grade when the tdp of the processor is 84W. as for being slow, of course it doesn't have enormous power, the majority of the money goes to the screen (ever seen how much a 4k/5k IPS panel cost).
You may not like a mac, and that is your choice, but without objectively quantifying the significance of apple computers isn't a solution. For instance, I don't like paying $1600 for my laptop either (its a macbook pro), but OS X is an integral part of my workflow as a developer, and the costs isn't really that bad (for comparison i dumped nearly $3k on my windows gaming computer, and there are still some things i prefer work on my laptop).
iamterence77 I use tons of .Net applications like Paint.Net, ShareX, OnTopReplica and I also like to program using .Net.
***** does the average user give a shit about 5k? Nope.
***** The average user also won't notice a difference between a mac or PC if they don't do content creation, and they certainly don't have a reason to be buying a 5k display, which means they might as well go with the cheaper PC and 1080-1440p monitor.
Rhedox
Why -2 USB ports for mouse & keyboard? Don't the included keyboard & mouse use some sort of wireless tech?
I hate apple. Worst. company. ever. "Oh you can build this same computer for $1000? We will sell it for $2500." Sure, it's great for people who like editing stuff, but other than that, Macs are horrible. Bad bad bad.
Stephan Bijzitter I'd love to see that, lol. I wonder if you just get the monitor and CPU for $1000, and nothing else. *sarcasm*
5k is unnecessary. My buddy has an I7 and a 780ti PC with a 1080p monitor, keyboard and mouse for $1300. Add a 4k monitor, it would still be about 300-500 dollars cheaper than that stupid mac
hueylax707901 But the reason for an iMac 5K is for photo and video editing, why would you limit yourself? It's not our fault you hate Apple and you're trying to point that anger towards us.
Stephan Bijzitter I guess it's too early for him?
A lot of comments are taking shots at you, but the truth of the matter is, that the prebuilt PC will undoubtedly have better specs, you can always buy a 5k monitor when they drop down in price. I agree that they are uneccessary, a 4k monitor will get the job done, just as well.
I am reading some hate on the 5K display.
You can't see the display until you actually see it physically because YOU'RE NOT ON A 5K DISPLAY.
i know right, why do people not get that?
but you can't say it's good either because "YOU'RE NOT ON A 5K DISPLAY" either
lol i dont want it :p
The human eye can only see 30 pixels per second so this is pointless...
I've tried 4k - I hated it. I don't want a microscope to look at text.
1440p is plenty enough in terms of day to day use.
5k now? Fucking ridiculous. People need to look at this in terms of daily use, and no one ever looks at that.
I don't understand why Apple products get so much hate... Are you guys simply fanboys of other companies? Apple makes great products, deal with it. I use an Android phone, which I love, and an iPad Mini, which I prefer over a Nexus. I like both of the devices. I had an iPhone, and I loved it. I have a Kindle Fire HD, it sucks. It's good for reading books. Does that make me hate the Kindles and Amazon? No. I am eagerly waiting for them to release a product worth buying. I am interested in Amazon Echo. Can't we all just live in peace and respect each others opinion? Well, of course we can't, this is the internet -_- At least stop hating Apple. And Apple fanboys stop hating everyone else.
I think the hate feel more like troll hate tbh, anyone with tech level could tell that it just different OS inside different hardware. Price are high because people are willing to pay at that price, if a lot of people stop buying at that price it will drop for example the Xbox One.
It's like the "Console wars"
"I don't understand why Apple products get so much hate..."
I hate Apple for the same reason i hate Alienware; they are overpriced. On top of that what seems to be more locked down OS.
Here in a nutshell is why I hate Apple, and honestly its not their fault but their fanboy's!
Being a gamer I built a gaming pc as did a few of my friends, but one guy said why would you get a pc, mac is way better? Knowing full well he was just a fanboy, we asked him to explain why mac is "way better". His best argument was that macs cost more and that the last time he used windows it was slow (like, what does that even mean?). He spent 3k on his mac and we tried to explain for probably about half the price you could build a pc that would out perform it. We asked him what he actually does with his mac. His response? "Work"... we were 15 (not that 15 y/o's can't work and stuff). He also refused to elaborate on what he meant by "work". His final response "you're just jelly that you can't afford it!" So we asked how he could afford so. "My parents bought it for me". And once again "jelly..."
Its these fans that just buy apple products because the're made by apple, the majority of these don't even know what their shiny new product can actually do, all they know is that its cool to own one and that's all that seems to matter to the majority of these fanboys.
I personally don't like apple as company, I think they treat consumers like idiots a lot of the time. They do generally make good products, good looking products, well built ones for the most part, and their user interfaces are easy to understand. But I just really think they are way over priced for what they are, and the very closed system they operate in just makes me uncomfortable.Anyways that aside, I think a lot of the hate comes from the overpriced aspect. I totally conceded that their design and built quality deserves a decent markup over just the bare labor and parts..But they just get greedier and greedier with that markup every year (at least on their computer stuff). I think a lot of the hate is based around this aspect of apple. The notion that you can get a pc that is just as powerful for typically less than half the cost. Again, their r&d and built quality do warrant a increased expense but.. they just take it way too far. The only real valid justification for someone preferring mac is the user experience and look...but people that prefer macs..have a hardtime admitting for whatever reason (probably because of the amount of money spent). And that refusal to admit that...and their attempts to try to talk about speed or "power" of the pc..is what just sets the whole discussion on fire.
This is not me blaming the mac crowd, that is not my aim..I am just saying that is where I tend to see things get heated. And I am not really talking about the "extreme fanboys" of either side...those people don't bother me much as they exist for every thing out there in the world (mac vs pc fanboys have nothing on sports related fanboys by a long shot), they are easy to drown out at this point. I'm talking about the people who generally are honestly engaging in a debate about the merits of both pc and mac.
The actual reason for 5K is to keep the same scaling as the previous iMac since a 4K iMac would be scaled to 1080p unlike the 1440p scaling for 5K. No other exotic reason really.
So you cannot actually set the resolution above 1440p?
I'll explain the specifics of how it works. OS X does some very smart scaling for their Retina line of computers. They run at a dynamically scaled resolution... sort of. It only renders elements on-screen that would benefit from increased detail like an image for example, while text, menu bar, context menu, etc. simply run at a scaled 1440p resolution. That way it keeps performance up while still being just as crisp if it were natively at 5K at all times.
Giggity Goebbels
yes you can. its in system preferences, its automatically scaled by default but you can always change it.
Giggity Goebbels That's not how it works :P
So ... Eventually there might be a 21.5" iMac with 2160p screen for under 1.5K
I can appreciate Apple's streamlining and build quality for as long as it takes me to remember their pricing structure.
It is really hard not to hate a company when they'll charge an _additional_ $600 to go from 8 GB of ram to 32GB in this iMac when a full 32GB kit goes for around $320.
at least you can change the SSD against a newer, bigger,better and cheaper one...
@@Thisandthat8908 I wonder if ellipses are allowed in the running for word of the year/decade. They put in a lot of work these days
Thank you Linus. This is the first time in the history of the internet that almost all of the comments aren't rooting for a particular system. There are actually more people saying that both are good in their own ways. This really shows how much respect people have for this guy. Give him a round of aplause Ladies and Gentlemen.
I wonder how long will it take until the first time you try to pull the screen closer and end up unplugging your machine in the middle of work session.
I laughed out loud Cuz I can totally picture it :p hasn't happened yet tho
I used to do it ~once a week, until I taped the damned thing with nasty duct tape :)
+Quba Michalski Still happens to me monthly. I've had my imac for 4 years.
+Blake Ranasinghe There's a locking mechanism - neverh appened to me. mid 2014
***** I can't speak for the more recent models. Mine is from 2011. Its not an issue when pivoting with slack on the cord but I always have the issue when there is slight tension on the cord and I try to tilt up. It's more of an absent minded thing.
An iMac is like my girlfriend. Yeah, she's beautiful and gets the job done (mostly), but I know there's much better, cheaper options out there.
A cheaper girlfriend?
Like ones that won't max out your credit cards...
Arya35 he does not have a girlfriend
Eduard Lomax Yeah that's true too...
xXx_illuminati_overload_xXx Nah. Girls are expensive. "Buy me this buy me that".
The grass is greener here on the Mac side. If you REALLY think you need a PC, dual boot the Mac and run Windows on a partition. Also, once you learn to use the Magic Mouse, you'll never want to use another mouse for a daily driver. I'd love to have that 5K display, but I'm not due to get another Mac for about 4 more years. Macs also last about twice as long as a PC IMO.
Not really
So you're saying that mouse is the best in the market? If so please explain.
Re booting in Windows won't make 5k gaming possible on this terribly overpriced hardware.
@duplux, the GPU should be satisfactory for most needs. Gaming is very intensive, but even a basic card can handle games at a decent frame rate and resolution.
@Gezza Jones, I'm not saying it's the best, it just has so much functionality in it's form, that it's great for day to day tasks. Obviously it's not a gaming mouse with programable keys, but it certainly has increased my workflow with its functionality.
macs also suck twice as much balls compared to a pc.
"Fumble around back there a little bit, and turn her on." Linus, 2014.
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dirty, dirty minds.
This isn't really overpriced to all the people who say it is. 5K is a lot of money currently so they include a nice and cheap computer with it. The only bad thing about this is how you can't use it as a standalone monitor. To gamers, yes Macs are bad for gaming but that doesn't mean it's not practical. Yes, most Macs are very expensive but people who buy the most expensive ones can justify the cost easily for using it for multiple years since there aren't as many viruses on it (there is malware for anything you csn download stuff onto and if someone doesn't think so they are just plain wrong).
+Quietbut_Deadly Also its made of aliminum
+Quietbut_Deadly Actually, it's $2,500 but the resolution is 5K.
B_L_O_O_E_Y I know, I'm saying the 5K resolution is very pricey to buy
+Quietbut_Deadly finally someone who understands 👍🏻
you also get spyware from download windows 10 itself
Dammit Linus you traitor.
I have no issues using Apple when they're provided for school or work or whatever, I'd never buy one myself though. It's not even a question of price, it's a question of Apple being such control freaks over hardware. What I love most with my Thinkpad is that if something goes wrong I can research the issue myself, fieldstrip it myself, fix the problem myself, and put everything back together without a hitch myself - even upgrade or mod stuff myself, if I want. If I had a Macbook and something cocked up I'd have to go through -20 degree weather to Temple, visit the Genius Bar priest, pay my tithe to the ghost of Steve Jobs, and receive their official sanctioned response from on high. It's like Roman Catholicism for computers.
"bending under daily use, an epidemic of shattered screens, and high-profile information leaks are features now"
I legitimately struggle to think of an initial launch of an Apple product or service that didn't have some kind of severe and widely-documented hardware or software flaw. The horse blinders people put on for the 'it just works' line are really covering a wide scope. You aren't fooling anybody with that line anymore.
***** You never need to troubleshoot windows either, it just works unless you do shit with it...
***** Or hell, here's a pop quiz: go back in time a couple years. SSDs are starting to become more reasonable in price and the idea of using one as a boot drive and pairing it up with a mechanical drive becomes popular. What do you do?
Thinkpad - pop out the largely-unnecessary optical drive, replace it with a hard drive tray, drop your SSD in and install the OS. Congrats, you're now cooking with gas and entering the 2010s and you barely had to do anything with the laptop you already own.
Macbook - throw it in the garbage spend another 2000 bucks on a new Macbook, just the way Apple wants it.
***** What about then the non removable battery pops? Or the soldered on memory dies?
TheFPSPower Completely agree. The last time I did a fresh install of windows on my computer was 2 or 3 years ago and it has yet to get a virus or any problems at all. You just have to not be an idiot.
It is the Beats by Dre of PC's.
skimaniac34 OSX doesnt suck, have you even used it before, its got its place in the world, just like a gaming PC.
and you have not used one...nor have you gone to my university where there are 650 people in a lecture and everyone has a mac
skimaniac34 :D
lol this have been the case for so long that its more like the other way around. beats by dre is mac
***** That's the point. -_-
You should do an iSwitched to linux
Joe Schroedl iSwitched to Linus
he just made one :D
He did
Boy oh boy, do I have some news for you
Demn. Looks like linus heard you finally.
WOAH! This iMac is actually really reasonably priced, 5k monitors are mostly running around $1800, you might as well get the iMac with 5k for a couple hundred dollars more
Thank you Linus, for not only putting your self out of your comfort zone to test this and give balanced criticism instead of just going 'MAC SUX ITS EXPENSIVE AND PC IS CHEAPER AMIRITE GUISE' like many, many angry people in the comments. I applaud you for doing thourough, objective reviews of products instead of just going 'I don't like this brand so who cares'.
Thanks for bringing up how 'Good value' is entirely subjective. I currently am using a pair of jvc triple x bass or something headphones that cost me £10 and are perfectly adequate for my needs. I have a friend who bought some seinheiser IE 8i headphones for £280 because he likes listening to high qaulity sound files on the go and is much more into music fidelity then I am. I'd never spend that much on headphones, as for the music I listen to those headphones would not be good value but he loves them and to him they are great value. I'm happy with my choice and he is happy with his.
So why can't people just accept that people buy macs because they look nice or because they like the os, or the screen or the form factor or the etc? Just because you don't find it good value does not mean that no one else does.
Tl;DR People can buy whatever they want for whatever reason they want. Get over it.
He had to buy it himself I don't think he wants himself to cry 2nite because of that
I know this post is ancient, but as a Mac user since the public beta of OS X, when I switched due to my Linux / FreeBSD irritation to OS X and was shocked that a company had finally made Unix beautiful and easy to use, I am definitely a Mac user. (Not a fan boy who has to buy every latest Apple gadget, though... I still have an iPad 2 that works perfectly fine and just picked up.a refurb iPhone 11.)
As a software developer, I really dislike Windows. I dislike the UI, the methodology of installing / uninstalling apps, and many other things. I am a gamer, and I do play some games (particularly visual novels) on my Mac, but for most gaming, I prefer consoles since they are a standardized experience, and I find most modern gaming PCs to be tacky with all their glowing keyboards and transparent cases.
I mean, hey, if Windows satisfies your needs, I'm not trying to deter you from using it. I just don't like it. The last versions of Windows that I didn't find horrific in terms of UI were XP and 7.
**deep breath** FOR FFS DID YOU REALLY JUST SAY "PC VS Mac" DID YOU F***ING REALLY?!
**another deep breath** Sorry for screaming, but I would have taught a Tech Guru like your self would be smart enough to say something like "Windows VS MacOS".... Saying "PC VS Mac" Is the sh*ttiest way of saying it.. A Mac is a PC too.. You cant compare it like that...
R4MP4G3RXD [Rampiii] and yet somehow, you understood what I meant, which was the objective ;)
LinusTechTips Yes, because everyone calls it that.. :PP But I would have expected more from you... D:
LinusTechTips You tell em Linus - Mac's are awesome for work, PCs are great for gaming as well as work
Tengu3000 Why are Macs better for work?? what can they do that a windows can't (for work purposes at least)?
foodrunner464 Nothing. They're just seen as more stable. People may argue that Macs are better for graphics & design, but that's not true. It's tradition to use Macs for the arts, due to the more aesthetically pleasing design.
Linus, you can insert a credit card into the gap above the hinge to press a hidden switch that makes the imac tilt down further and reveal several screws that hold the stand to the computer. you can install the vesa mount without tearing down the entire machine.
Yes, macs are overpriced, but the build quality is AMAZING
Yes build quality is important in a desktop computer. You don't know how many times my computer fell out of my monitor last time I took my computer to starbucks for wifi
reznov122 Ha-HAH!
Awesome!
xD
***** HAHA BEST THING ON THE YT COMMENT SECTION
Oh gimme a break....r u reffering to the Glue?
jun I sincerely hope that your comment was sarcastic. Mac’s have horrible build quality, especially the MacBook Pro pre-keyboard fix.
I like Mac OSX. The software is nice and easy. Their computers are the most overpriced shit on the face of the earth
have you seen the price of Creative suite now, Adobe want you to give them a kidney so you can get the latest version
Byzantine And Sony Vegas/Hitfilm, and any decent music creation software, and Microsoft Office.
May as well just sell my house so I can have some useful applications.
mdog95 There is no real price difference cross platform, they all want to just steal you money, just so you can do something that you need to do...i don't understand why they charge such a high price and then they wonder why everyone pirates
Yeah, $900 for Vegas is fucking ridiculous. I can't even tell you how many times I've lost hours of work due to crashes and random bugs. If you're gonna charge that much, make sure it works first ffs.
but once they take your kidney they have taken whet they wanted, why do they care about your struggles....
Mac isn't bad, especially for editing videos. But in most cases, you can get a comparable performance and user experience from a PC for a lot cheaper. Also, no games.
That may be true but considering this thing has a 5k display in it (the only other comparable option is a Dell 5k monitor that also costs $2500) it's really not a bad deal to be honest.
strikewolf42 That is true, but what are you going to do on that 5k display? The iMacs are Apple's consumer brand, so what are most consumers going to do? Well consumer media of course. Really with those specs powering a 5k display, it's no like you can do any work on it anyways. I really wish that Apple just released the display separately, that way people with actual workstations and professional grade hardware could actually use the high resolution display the way it is meant to be used. Really video editing wouldn't even be to well on this thing, and it's not like some light workload like Photoshop or a photographer could really use this thing since the glossy display creates over-saturated colors more than accurate ones, and there's no pivot or anything.
strikewolf42 Right. But the Dell monitor is an 8bit+AFRC one that you can actually hook up to a rig where you aren't going to be wasting time waiting for several times as long while things are rendering. If you want to use it for actual production work the Dell monitor is, hands down, the more sensible option.
Patrik Manni Actually the dell one is a 10bit, making it even better ;D
hellseagle21 So it is! Sweet!
Boot Camp logo tile design of kitchen, nice!!!
Haha!
Linus made a really good point in this video (Yes I know old video). A lot of gaming setups do look not cheap but not luxurious either. A lot of higher end pc stuff like keyboards and mice and stuff everything is lit up with flash rgb lighting. Which is fine. But the options when it comes to things looking that little bit luxurious are minimal. I applaud Inwin for making some very very nice looking luxurious pc cases so people are doing it.
What I am getting at is, there are PC users who want a custom PC but one that looks just that little bit luxurious, say for in a design studio, or a professional work space.
What I mean is there are millions of custom PC's out there that look like they jumped out of a fast and the furious movie the way they are lit up, but for someone who wants say the styling of a rolls royce options are much much less.
Sad jealous people in comments, if you cant afford or don't want to spend so much money, good for you. But sit in your corner, take a mirror and argues with your selves.
If you have money, 5K iMac is the way to go. Can't wait for more from you Linus! I like Apple products, still I use Windows powered laptop, because I use mostly iPad for everything I need and laptop for me is just a writing machine. Apple ecosystem works great, I am a Windows user since Windows 95, and boy have i encountered millions of problem, blue-screens etc. I have re-installed so many Windows OS, that Windows already make me sick!
"Cant afford it".How does that logic work then? If a person chooses not to buy an overpriced machine with underwhelming specs then thats clearly a logical decision when compared to the alternative. You can build a computer with the same hardware and software as mac for the 1/3 of the price. Dont buy things just because of the brand.
Ya there's no need to be a total snob "Well you're all poor and thats why you hate apple" like seriously
***** Maybe it's not all about specs then.
Dell has A 5k monitor....
***** You understand that Apple is essentially giving you a free 1000$ computer with the 5k display right? So, please tell me again how this is overpriced?
1. Stress test, tell us its max temp by running any application you want.
2. Game test, tell us how games work on parallels and how much fps you get (I know its pretty much useless but I was always curious to know if Mac version of mobile GPUs were slower)
3. Tell us how it looks when compared to other 4k/5k displays on the market.
4. How good are those speakers on the iMac? Would love to know that!
yeah come on stop wasting our time with " screen is great and look at the connection ports" ...hogshit! this review could have been interesting. - dont make me unsubscribe man - i know you dont want that!
Temps are about to melt the screen, gaming is bad because you're doing it on a mac, it looks the same as any 5k display, the speakers sound like a tin can.
Seems about right for the iMac
peter heighes lol you would seriously unsubscribe because of a imac video? Please...
peter heighes It was an overview, not a review.
You pc nerds need to calm the f*** down. It doesn't matter what it can do. The computer is free. How much is a 5k monitor you noob?
Watching this after 1st part of Linux Challenge :)
same lol
the screen is like 50% of the price
a dell ultrasharp 5k costs $2500. same price as that iMac. so 50% IS expected even though it ISN'T
+Levi Got Pants shut up you racist salty butt hurt run of the mill human
+Max Greiner So, a 4790k is only like $20 then?......hmmmm. Before trying to be a smartass again educate yourself on some facts first moron. Mac's aren't overpriced, they are priced similar to their Windows counterparts. If you purchased a Windows PC with the same exact hardware as any Mac you would find that the Mac is priced similarly or sometimes much less. A prime example is a maxed out Mac Pro which costs on average $5,000 to $8,000 less than a Windows PC with the same/similar hardware. Educate yourself kid.
BewareTheIdes
no one is going to read even half of you comment....
Get out
Levi Got Pants Yet, you read the entire comment. LOL, I see I touched a nerve with your Windows fanboy self.
At the end of the month, he'll say that he'll go back to Windows PC. Mac may have got the cheapest 5k monitor in a form of an AiO but using laptop R9 290XM is what killed it.
Of course he'll go back as his job is related to PC hardware and techy stuff. Why do people assume that apple could have equipped it with a desktop R9 290X in that unibody design
Thomas Alex His job is not building pcs
Well what I meant was PC hardware stuff primarily not building one necessarily
Could you imagine an actual 290 fitting in there?
Thomas Alex Well, a full size 980 could probably fit because of it's power efficiency and therefore lack of need for overkill cooling systems
Had to add my input to the PC vs Mac argument, I myself have a Custom built beast FX 9590 & R9 290 system, But i also have a Mac mini 2.5ghz i5 16GB ram and an SSD. And i have to say for everyday use MAC ALL THE WAY, for gaming dont even think about it. but if you dont game mac is much better, take it from me, i am being non biased, infact i am sat typing this on my mac even though my Custom rig is sat there waiting to be powered on!
Spec heads are idiots, as a mac with an SSD is more than fast enough for anything
cheaper, yes, everyone knows pcs are cheaper, thats why they are worse!, They get bogged down fuc*ing ads, and dont look as good, and not as nice OS
Definetly not biased at all :P
Arun Kumar
your argument sucks lol "cheaper, thats why they worse", thats like saying " The Xbox One costs 350 $ now so it is worse than on release for 500$" another butthurt apple fanboy wow
Arun Kumar ^^ "not biased"
The way you intro "iSwitched to mac 2014", I can't help thinking there was a bet lost behind the scenes that helped to inspire this :p
Came here from the Linux video. 2021 beard Linus is superior.
Apple haters are calling this overpriced when a standalone 5k IPS display costs $2500 in the market right now.
Apple is essentially including a computer for free, regardless of how powerful it is.
It's not that bad but there are the little things they forgot like height adjustment swivel all that stuff and I thought apple would not have that fat bezel so u can get a full image like they said
you stupid fuck there is no 5k monitor yet how do you know the price
Tommy Tran Considering that this computer will be used in prosumer and professional applications in regards to video and photos, you actually want that bezel.
The bottom chin could go I suppose but that's where some of the computer components are and the black bezels are used to put a "background" per say for the editor. If the monitor had absolutely no bezel, then the photos and videos you would be working on would appear on whatever is behind your computer which isn't ideal for editing.
The Raging Gamer accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&cs=04&l=en&sku=UP275K3
The Raging Gamer and the iMac can handle 60Hz instead of the godawful 30Hz that is standard on 4k display
Good to see a pc user using a mac.....
Yeah :D
pc = personnal computer = mac
Koustav Das but mac is special it's above the pc market like a god watching over the human race :P
Koustav Das
TAKE THAT BACK D:
doe maeries lol, not really
I switched to a Mac back in 2012 and have used Macs as my main computers for about 2 years for editing videos/photos. I loved the operating system and the overall designs of the machines. I started gaming and switched back to Windows because you don't buy a Mac for gaming, do you?
My main point is: people should stop bashing Macs. I mean, they are kinda overpriced, but the build quality from Apple is fenomenal and the OS is very intuitive for creative users.
9 years later this is STILL an amazing computer. Money well spent
It's quite remarkable to watch all these comments. Humans never change, and never realizes their behavior from history. It's like the debate, Android vs Iphone. First thing to say, if you haven't owned a mac you don't have any saying. Owning a mac from the year 2007 and comparing it with a 2014 laptop isn't fair either. Give reasonable arguments and not "it's ugly and expensive".
1.No one really uses the argument that its ugly because thats very opinionated
2. The price is a very valid and reasonable point so
3.You want something else fine I think Apple is a dick to all the other companies like intel, AMD, samsung etc.They all create new things for us everybody to use including apple but apple just sort of throws a temper tantrum and sues someone for "copying their ideas"
4. Imacs, macs etc. Are pretty much completely enclosed you can't do anything with them its like a console that you have to replace if you want to keep up and don't give me that "windows slows down after awhile crap" just do a defrag a pc clean up and you should be fine. If you build your own pc you can just pop out the old part and put a new one in and you're good to go
5. My friend always argued thats macs are way easier too use and not only was it stupid but a 5 year old can literally build a computer if you want proof got to Jayztwocents and you'll find the video there of his daughter building one with minimal help from her dad
I have owned a few apple products, and I must say, it's always been a bad experience for me. But I am a hardcore tinkering PC builder. Apple doesn't really appreciate this and this is why I personally don't like their products. But I must say, when it comes to build quality apple wins. In the laptop segment at least. Their phones now have a lot of competition
TheNellyinator 3. That's just silly, everyone sues everyone. Don't throw Apple under the bus, for example Samsung sued Nvidia today. I guess they are the same then?
4. Apple products have much higher resale value than Windows. Also because of OS X being so optimized it takes a longer time for the specifications of the computer to really slow down the experience.
5. How is the 5 year relevant to the question? Yes In my opinion Apple has a better layout than Windows which is one of the bigger reasons I will never go back. Better layout = often easier to use.
Editors Music all of your comments are your opinion. Aren't you contradictory? You just said how people can't see the other side of the argument. Buuuuut now your doing that? Your quickly making yourself look silly. Does it really matter?
thatbattlefield dude 3. and 4 are not opinions they are facts. If you truly say that Windows computers have a higher resale value you're wrong. Check the market. Also, do you state that Windows is better optimized than mac os when it comes to all-around experience?
Not to say the least, do you state that Apple is the only company in the tech world that sues other companies?
5. Wasn't an argument, I was just answering his question. Sorry if I confused you.
580 PC fanboys disliked this video, i though that linustechtips community was more mature than this :/.
llorTA toN Your comment is a bit far-fetched, you are making the assumption that people just didn't watch it via the linustechtips site, no randoms watched the video, you ignored the Mac factor i.e anything with Mac/Apple in the title usually draws a crowd
TheFlyingSquirrel
Hmm now that i think about it that's true...
THIS.... IS..... YOU----TUBE!!!!!!!!
Because trolls who dislike videos don't exist, right?.
Gordon Freeman What kind of troll dislike videos for fun o.O He wouldn't even get to see the peoples reactions.
As much as I don't like apple's products, I applaud you for actually having the balls to go out and say that you switched to an iMac.
With so many Apple hating and biased viewers on your channel it was refreshing to see Linus talk about a iMac. Many people unlike Linus haven't ever used an Apple product ever.
I work with macs all the time at college, and I have to say, they arent anything special, the OS is aggravating at times, the hardware is slow running programs lik photoshop, and sometimes even Microsoft word breaks down, something I never experience on a PC
The only thing I love about the iMac is the design, I just used bootcamp to install Windows onto mine, I agree, OSX sucks.
we can use windows in ours too, but i find that it just magnifies how crap the hardware actually is
I only use OS X for a very short period of time, but from my experience for windows all these years, it is quite frustrating to use. Even with the latest OS, 8.1, the "windows explorer" is still a thing, on a not bad hardware platform. A lot of other small but frustrating problem too. Like MS word not responding during changing fonts, latest patch won't work, but previous one works instead (what?), etc.
I use photoshop daily because of my work and I have no problems with it at all and infact a tad faster when I was still using windows (crashing issues) but I would agree on the Microsoft word, but thats the microsoft responsiblity to support and optimize their software. OSx alone is great.
I wokred with imacs for 5 years on shitty old ones and never had problems
What's with the childish comments it's just a computer nobody is forcing anybody to buy it. There is a market out there for this kind of tech and Linus would be stupid not to review it, I wouldn't buy it but I also wouldn't be butt hurt about him reviewing it.
You guys are all joking right? You all are mad because he is reviewing a product that he hasn't before and giving it a chance to see if he likes it? You call him a traitor since he's actually using a product before bashing it, unlike most of you who have only used windows in your life and think that everything else sucks without trying it. That's a joke. You have to try something before you can just start bashing it. That's ignorant.
it's cause they think he actually switching permanently not a review
To me, it's because I see it as him wasting his and our time with something that I'd wager most of the enthusiast PC building community that makes up the viewer base are uninterested in this sort of thing, even repulsed by it. We want videos about tweaking, optimizing, and customizing, not a metaphoric-black-box unupgradable closed-source monolith that is presented to us here.
***** Honestly I don't think apple products are made for any audience at all. Especially this one.
***** agreed.
Being light is a selling point for a desktop?
So it's easier to steal
Don't forget that when someone steals it, they'll love how easy it is to carry that thing to the dump
I know right, last thing you want is a robber to hurt his back and sue you
Stay with me, I might be going a bit fast here...but, well, not everyone keeps desktops in one place. Welcome to the enterprise, where if you're moving 300 machines or more, you feel every pound less that they weigh.
Go back to your games.
Jim Lahey If you waste money on 300 imacs for your business you deserve to have your back broken.
Haters gonna hate
Linus, could you please next time when benchmarking any PC or PC parts, include productivity/designer softwares benchmark as well? It's good to see FPS in games, but it would cater to more audiences if you include the said benchmark results.
Now that you have released this video, I feel like I finally have the courage to say this on your channel with pride: OSX is better than Windows! Yeah, I said it, come at me. If it makes you OSX loathers feel any better though, I am planning on selling my mac mini and making a hackintosh soon. I'll probably put Windows on it too for gaming. Live on OSX, game on Windows - that's the way to go.
Don't get me wrong, this is not hate or anything, but i have tried OSX, and i honestly didn't like it. If i was given a Mac i would install Windows on it and never boot into OSX. Even when I'm not gaming, i just don't find it appealing
I have the best of both worlds, really. A MacBook pro and a custom built PC. Might one day ditch PC altogether, but I don't think I can. My work place - and many other work places here in my country - are equipped with PCs by the government, therefore PCs will still be part of my working life until God knows when.
You are truly delusional if you you are going to game on Windows on a Hackintosh rig. Why would you not just get a PC? -_-
FlickMyFuj
You, sir, don't know what hackintosh is, do you? Hackintosh is a set of normal PC components that are supported by OSX, and when assembled can run OSX. It's basically a build-it-yourself mac, but cheaper
FlickMyFuj Your comments sounded like you didn't know the difference between the hackintosh and mac. The key is dualbooting, if you like one OS better for one thing, and another OS better for another thing, it's a snap to just run both, and with SSDs they can reboot in less than 15 seconds
I never thought I'd see the day Linus bought a Mac. Then again, I never thought I would either and I just got myself a MBA. I'm loving it.
The apple logo on the back is actually something to do with radio waves and not just aesthetic.
If I was not a gamer, that would be my computer! I always love Apple for their amazing construction quality and elegance.
***** Being a photographer, I love my Asus 4k monitor but I'm VERY dissapointed with the CRAPPY windows 4k scaling!
***** I don't think that microsoft thought 4K resolution would come around this quickly, in their defence.
May be :/ It's sad! I hope they will fix it with an update or in the next Windows.
***** windows 10?
Whatever they call it.
The IO is so terribly placed. Would it really kill Apple to put it on the front or side?
It'd look really ugly
Carnyx but as Linus said, you'll probably scratch the back so that won't look too good either.
Practicality > how it looks
Sam Spain But I'm guessing that even if you do scratch the back, you wouldn't really stare at the back of an iMac that often, right? :) Apple has been more of form over function IMO
Lawrence Lim Open desk areas=ugly, and painful sounds, and you could ruin the headphone jack
*”Give your PC the old reach-around”*
I’ll get my tech tip in there 😳
I made the switch from PC to the new iMac 5K Retina 27". I will follow your channel for tips & tricks! What a beautiful display. I'm pleased with the new iMac!
It's called LinusTECHTips not LinusWindowsTips. You don't like seeing stuff about Apple why would you click the video? And Apple users are stupid?
some apple users think that Mac's are not PC's when they are...but computer users are crazy lol aka master race
Byzantine lol yeah... the irony.... as a PC guy... this is soo true it's a bit sad...
Yeah it's just sad. It's like putting your hand on a hot surface and then complaining about it being hot but keep doing it. I love all technology, no matter who it's from. Most I'll never buy but still nice to see how advancement of technology is going. People just have sad lives hating on Apple all the time. Say Apple users are hipsters but this new trend of hating on them is for hipsters. Don't believe me then look up the definition of a hipster and you'll see how well it fits.
Muffin Man Hipsters know nothing about computers but spend alot on apple products. Thats why they get the hate.
Example from real life. I was looking to buy a new laptop for Uni and i ask one of the people about the features of the Rmbp, they said it has the best ram, (its gold plated) best CPU ect ect, i know thats not the case, but a noob computer user would think the selling points would be true, where as i know they are false
true true... and people should be aware that guy like linus, could school them back to elementary school in terms of "tech"
so calling him an apple fanboy, r stupid, or something is really.... well... stupid
I'm guessing that GPU would buckle under the stress of running even mid-range games on that thing
No not really the gpu is fine for 1080p but you wouldnt be playing at 5k thats for sure.
It's not for gaming though... He plans to use it as a workstation where he'll be editing videos (which is why there is more focus on the CPU)
IT IS NOT a gaming machine. Man you people will just do a direct comparison with a HUGE gaming machine, won't you?
Thomas Alex Never said it was remotely, but no mac is ever but they still make games for them, go figure.
on that resolution it would yeah
I like how your sponsor here was Hulu, yet when you had the device on the lazy susan, you had a page up about Netflix.
and now it's linux time!
Isn't there a mic connector included?
One the MacBook it's same as on the iPhone and only needs one connector. Those headphones are compatible to pc but you can't talk there, same as headphones with 2 connectors and a mac.
+Endymion777777 The connector does work. Some headphones with TRRS headphones just don't work cuss they have the poles in different places. Correct placement should be Mic/ground/right/left.
Linus i really respect you and i am a fan of you since you started uploading videos.But its the first time i see you spending really half or more time in a video speaking about how beautiful this product is.We can see it and beautiful is really a personal opinion.We come to your channel to see a review of the product and talk about really if this shit really worth the money to spend.And no right? At the first glance it doesnt.Except if you have 2500$ to 3000$ to spend just because you find something beautiful.There was no reason to upload this part 1 video except to talk about the I/O and how much NOT ergonomic this product is! Keep up the good work always a fan! And guys yes apple makes beautiful products but have you ever considered value for money?
Everyone defines value differently. For some people "value" means it matches their decor, and for others it means it got a little faster. If I'm to approach this without bias then I need to try to understand its value without imposing my own beliefs.
LinusTechTips Well hopefully this channel remains focused on performance and/or value, not decor & fashion statements.
LinusTechTips Thank you for you reply. If there are people in your channel that define value as just their decor and nothing else then i will have to bare with it.But i dont think thats reasonable.Either way i will agree with the above statement.I hope the channel remains focused on performance and value not just decor.Because decor sir as i said above is a personal opinion.You said that you try to be unbiased.How is it you are unbiased if in half of the video you speak about ''looks''.Thats a personal opinion of yours and even if i really like this product for it looks somebody else might not!Why didnt you talk for its enormous bezel as you do in every screen review? This bezel is really BAD!Not trying to be a jackass i love you its just my opinion and dont worry you will never lose me as a fan!!!! :D Farewell!
Really interested to see what Linus's thoughts, opinions and experiences are. I bought my first Macbook Pro Retina back in October 2013 and I've never regret my purchase; I love this little machine! ^.^
The screen is literally the only redeeming feature of this computer.
Clinton Well it's the main selling feature...
0:38 wait, hang on. Did they actually pay for something?!?! whaaaaaaat. This must be the first time that has happened. I feel bad for him
+Philip Kvist Linus buys things all the time to review..
I'd actually love to have a Mac. Those things are so well built and they look great. But they are just so costly! Of course I'd run windows due to familiarity. But that doesn't detract from the engineering beauty that is the Mac series. If you deny that they aren't some of the best built computer products on the market, you are insane.
Ehhh, using macs for almost 20 years now. I'll recommend you go for the macbooks only.
While the Imacs are great computers, the operating system is really not meant for desktop use. And those retina displays only make the already slow gpu's work even harder than they should on normal use.
I completely share your statement.
All you implied was an opinion, cool if you like macs.
Thanks so much for that statement, I completely agree with you. :)
Maybe so for Macbooks, yeah (they're grossly overpriced, though). iMacs on the other hand are nothing but glorified AiOs, this one being the only compelling one I've seen ever because of the screen, but they're still laptop hardware stuck on a desk. As for Mac Pros. No, just no. They're not a good value in any possible way. Far from it. No.
Believe me, after having to service these on a daily basis, the insides are far more gorgeous than the outside
Time to do the Mac challenge again now that we have the Apple Silicon Macs
"Beeeen to an Apple Store"
Set
the
clock
on
the
stove
NOW!
The imac has dual microphones. The one on the back is to gather background noise in order to correct for it during recordings. It has a small front facing microphone near the camera.
what happened to this series? i was really excited!
Linus is gonna rage when he tries using that OS daily. Overpriced or not, it's not very user friendly. That's for sure.
What? I have been using both and I never had the problem that my Mac started updating itself without asking me (and this deleting the paper I was working on). Also it is a lot easier to create backups (very important).
It's more user friendly then Linux and Windows (coming from someone who uses Linux, Windows and OS X on a daily basis)
Not very user friendly? You obviously haven't used OS X very much, if at all...
I jacked my MacBook's SSD up trying to repartition my hard drive after uninstalling Linux Mint, I had to do a complete wipe and reinstall. After the reinstall I restored from backup, and literally, 1 hour later, every single file, application, folder, configuration, calendar, mail, saved browser passwords, bookmarks, 3rd party window snap management software, music file, wallpaper, photo's, word document, python program, excel spreadsheet, powerpoint... everything was back in it's right place. It's like nothing ever happened. One of the perk's of OS X's and Apple's ecosystem is that issues, on the rare occasion that they occur, can be easily corrected. My mother could have done a Time Machine backup restore, it was that easy. OS X is extremely user friendly.
shaneybrainy13 This can be done in windows also.
I suppose Windows vs OS X resolution handling would be a good topic to talk about. To be honest, I think OS X is a lot more well suited on laptops. Mission Control helps you make the most out of smaller resolution displays (which is extremely helpful). Handoff, automatic internet tethering, and making/receiving calls and (actual) texts on your laptop are extremely useful when you are on the go. And the trackpad gestures help streamline the whole OS X experience. Though for desktops, I do prefer windows.
Preach it... Windows on laptops is unbearable, and OS X on desktops isn't horrible but you lose a lot of the functionality unless you're willing to fork over 70 USD for a magic trackpad... Using Windows on my gaming rig is great, but for school I use a 13" Macbook Air and I love it.
I'm going to have to agree with that, i love OSX on laptops. Can't stand windows laptops, nor their awful trackpads. But as for desktops... i'd pick windows over osx.
I sold my 27 inch imac 2013 for this very reason.
I have the non-retina option, it was bought new about the time you got this one (I bought it a year old from the original buyer, long story), and I have been very happy with it.
the headphone jack at the back, can also be used as a mic port. For example you can plug a headset into it and both the mic and headphones will be recognised and work.
I just 'switched' to mac. (by that i mean its running on my PC... I've got to say, it totally disagree with the comments here. the os is great. it gets out of my way and lets me do my work You have to put a few commands into terminal to see all your folders which is a bit stupid, however it isnt a big deal. Using OSX for music (logic) is a dream, no fucking around with windows' rediculously poor audio system and no janky ASIO crap....i may be one of the specific use cases where Apple is preferable, but i like it. :)
I use all 3, OSX, Windows and Linux. I use each for their own purposes. I hardly ever play games, but when I do I use my Windows machine. My Mac is actually more powerful than my Windows, but there are more compatible games on Windows. I use my Mac for all general purpose, video and picture editing. Then, my Linux machine is for web and application development/programming. I've only been using OSX for about 3 months now, and I honestly have no complains about it. Ubuntu feels very similar, and I've been using Ubuntu for years. I like how it just gets out of the way and let's me do my thang!
Specs are meh, please can you inform your viewers aside from the fact it looks "nice" realistically wtf is the actual practical difference, as a daily driver have you noticed an improvement, Personally ive used macs for editing and photoshop when i have been forced to, i haven't noticed a realistic difference between that and my own rig that justifies the insane price difference and limitations....
Thats because there is no difference. I have a hackintosh on my custom built pc..and Between it and Windows... I see "NO" difference...actually the Mac is a bit slower in Maya3d...
He should redo this series after finishing the Linux Daily Driver challenge.
Yeah the iSwitched challenge is seriously outdated now that we got the Apple Silicon machines that actually can game now, as well as more Mac staff at LMG like Jonathan. They even said on the WAN Show they've been thinking it might be time to do a new Mac Challenge.
(Also, eww memoji pfp)
Your little act in the garden was funny Linus. LOL
Love to see how Windows via boot camp runs and the Steam games that are for MAC.
All steam games are either cross platform or specifically made for windows so... no, there aren't going to be any mac exclusive titles coming anytime soon.
***** Never said anything about mac exclusives
BlueFoxTV oh my bad... but what do u mean by the steam games that are for mac ? Do u mean how they run or do u mean you want to compare the gaming performance between the 2 operating systems while run the same games ?
***** A comparison would be nice. But over all i would like to see how it handles gaming. As there are mac users that game on OSX. And Diablo 3, WoW or Portal in 5k if it runs well would be sweet.
BlueFoxTV that sounds awesome but I doubt that gpu is going hold up since its just a moblie gpu
1:58 Linus calls it a PC. T8-TR!
+Ohloveeh It is a personal computer.
+Batman running on PC architecture even.
In the old days it was Macs vs PCs because Macs were PowerPC, but those days are long gone...
I'm sure it's a mistake although they do have the same architecture
From 2:25 to 2:28 on the right you could see the stove blinking 12:19 PM lol
I looove the design on every Apple product ! I have a Ipad Macbook Pro and Iphone 6. They might cost a lot but they just look great and they work!
Hey Linus, WAITING!!!!!
suggestion:
make a pc with about the same specs, to compare windows vs appels
The Tek Syndicate guys did that with the "thrash can" Mac earlier this year
never did i think id see a mac review on this channel
Sponsored by Hulupluas and yet.. Netflix is on screen when Linus demonstrate the viewing angle :D
I'm confused, where's the computer case? Where do I insert the CDs?
It's an all-in-one, it's all inside the monitor.
It's not 2007 anymore dude.
I think he was joking.
is ultrabook pasted on the back of a monitor.
The amount of hate in the comments and the rating bar really shows how fucking immature this community is at times. Sure, feel free to hate Apple and their products, it's your opinion and thats it. The absolute toxicity of this community is what fucking gets me. Why does it matter if he reviews a iMac? It's called Linus *TECH* Tips, not Linus _PCAndroid_ Tips. It's a computer, thus a piece of tech, so he can review it at his own will. Everyone just needs to take a step back and just get along with each other.
is it me, or is his comedy getting better and better
Linus you said this was a "minute ago" lmao
it better be good packaging paying almost 2k on it XD
The only thing that bothers me so far is the "K" CPU. What's the point of that?!
the K actually comes at a higher clock speed than the non k for some reason.
iamterence77 A k CPU has an open Multi for overclocking
CedGamingDE - momentan inaktiv
Which you cannot do on this machine.
DMitsuki What?
Did you even watch the video?
UNIGINE HEAVEN! That is, of course, designed to test gaming graphics performance. However, I think such graphics benchmarks would give us a great idea of the machine's potential.
For the mic part about not being able to put one in the headphones jack, you can plug 2 in 1 earphones in it, like the apple ear pods or something like that, and use it like a microphone
So much nerd rage in these comments, if Apple products upset you that much you need to check yourself and what your doing with your life.
That bezel kills me
apple stores dont exist down here. thats makes me happy
Keep in mind that using a single tile means that the current Thunderbolt on the iMac and the Mac Pro means that it can't be used as a monitor, even if it were external. While a refresh is probably going to be coming soon with changes both to the Cinema Display, iMac, and Mac Pro, until that happens, there's a reason we haven't seen an external 5K display from Apple.