Gorgeous Scale Jet With 1 Flaw - Arrows MiG-29 64mm
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- čas přidán 16. 07. 2024
- The Arrows MiG-29 64mm is actually a fantastic jet once you put a little bit of work into it. Mostly the nozzles, and maybe the nose spring if you want to stiffen it up. But mostly the nozzles. The lack of thrust from the stock nozzles is very underwhelming and super unfortunate. Hopefully we'll see fewer RC jets coming out with obscenely oversized nozzles - it has a very real performance impact, definitely not in a good way. But thankfully it's not hard to mod to fix it - and you'll have a jet that you absolutely love.
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Spektrum AR8360T Receiver: bit.ly/3QBdgtc
Kallend nozzle upgrade via RC Groups: www.thingiverse.com/thing:453...
SMC 3600 LiHV batteries: www.smc-racing.com/index.php?...
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0:00 Arrows MiG Intro & Issues
1:14 Kallend's 3D Printed Nozzle Upgrade
2:41 Nozzle Installation & Other Highly Recommended Mods
3:22 Stability, Agility, Acro Potential
5:12 Inverted High Alpha (Don't even try it upright)
6:12 Takeoff & Landing Issues To Be Aware Of
7:53 Review Scores (Yes, there's two!)
9:06 B-1B Lancer Teaser - Zábava
I'm happy to see you are using my friend Mr Kallend's 3D printed designs. He has a wealth of knowledge and is happy to share with anyone. We belong to the same RC club in the Chicagoland area.
He's a great guy, happy to help spread the word about what he does.
What club do you guys fly out of? Where are you guys at?
Proof Jon is the most honest rc reviewer even if he gets the plane for free unlike theRC******* which can be honest but are definitely leaning in the way of manufacture
You've really got to go out of your way to find problems with most airplanes. Whether we buy them or have them sent, our reviews don't change.
@@TwoBrosRC absolutely true it just feels like some people push you to buy stuff even if it’s junk I remember seeing a video of said product catching fire but there saying it’s probably a 1 in a million and trying to sell it
Great review, Kallen has excellent designs for several planes. Great guy too.
Nice flying John. Felt the same way with the fms rafale before adding the nozzles from R/c Geek. No substitute for power.
Kallend made a set of nozzles for the 80 Rafale, too. Absolutely love ours after that upgrade, even more.
Thanks for your insights John. I have this jet but am waaaay out of the skill set to fly it yet (I simply got it do to it being a real bargain used at $200). Other reviews didn’t seem to go as far as you did in describing its flight nature, so its nice to have a bit more insight on how to get more out of this airframe if and when I come back around to it.
Whats more, is your insight on the performance of the 64’s with specific nozzles. The parts for my Arrow’s 29 will be going into some scratch builds, so based off your info I might be able to expect far better results in my designs than anticipated!
We went more in-depth with this vid because it needed to be covered. The lacking thrust is something other reviewers should have mentioned. HobbyZone sent this to us but it wouldn't have been an accurate review if we didn't mention the problems the jet has. While not something you couldn't overcome, they're still issues that needed to be discussed and addressed.
Also, the roll rate is absolutely abysmal without using the stabilators ala full scale. So definitely use a receiver with 7+ channels for this one. We recommend the AR8360T in the description.
The jet performs really well with the nozzle upgrade from Kallend - definitely don't try to use those motors without nozzles matching the exhaust diameter. Otherwise it'll just be poor performance again.
Looking forward to the BONE video!! Been eyeballing that one!
Thank you for this video! I love this jet but the lack or power just kills it. I'm definitely gonna try this nozzles and also removing that big lead plate out of the bottom and add those smaller one's! Well done on this video! I'm excited to try these mods out! 🫡🫡
Happy to hear it! Join up on Discord and let us know how it goes. Or let us know if you need some help!
Good stuff Jon!!
Great flying as always........
Thanks ✌
Nice work Jon. I think I may give this jet another shot.
Do it, man! The nozzle upgrade and removing the belly weight are massive improvements to it. Though you'd have to adjust the spring in the nose strut to make it worthwhile for grass.
Great 👍 Honest Review Jon, thanks for sharing. I’ve been looking at this aircraft. I like Arrows products.
i"m surprised how much nozzles can effect the thrust, cool little mod there!
Great video Jon! I was hoping to see your review on the Freewing MiG-29 Red Star (twin 80mm) with TV! 🤞🏻
That might be a while from now, but we'll look into it for sure.
@@TwoBrosRC you’ll love it 👌🏻💪🏻
You can get the 29mm motion rc inrunners for their 64mm jets and it will be faster as well but i tho k you may.have to upgrade the esc
Can't wait to see the B1 and what you do with yours. I bypassed the stock gyro on mine and have a great setup with a slow movement of elevator up 5% during wing sweep, and it Flys so smooth but haven't tried arrobatics with it yet, but other than that I would rate it at a close 10 out of 10 as long as the setup is right
It had a troubled development history and the distributor didn't do right by the initial customers. We'll cover that and how it flies, and how we bypassed the stock gyro too - along with running everything to an AR10360T for our own stabilized gyro setup.
@@TwoBrosRC wow I used the ar8350t for mine, which seemed to do everything it needed
I've heard alot of people have wrecked there B1 flying it on the stock gyro and or trying to figure out how to configure the the setup for it. If you can include a setup for people that would help them out tremendously. The b1 is mor forgiving on the wing sweep compared to the freewing F14 because it has weights in the wings to help with the CG on wing sweep. I have the F14 that I'm still playing with gyro gains because it oscillates bad at full throttle after putting the new 2150 kv motors in it
Simple recommendation, Jon, don't put any light source below your face. This is actually called ghost light in photography😂😂
Yeah, the face cam didn't want to cooperate with us at the last second. It'll be better next time. Sorry about that!
@TwoBrosRC No need to be sorry, haha
Got stuck buffering in the beginning, John's face gave me nightmares. 😢
For me the nozzle modification was explained very briefly and wasn't clear. Showing the cut-off originals then the the new printed nozzles before fitting would help. Not sure what you meant by gluing the foam from the interior of the old nozzles. I don't have this particular model but am considering a similar modification to my own design EDF jet.
Check the RC Groups thread for more indepth info on the nozzle project.
Cool
Awesome flying, i got one of the preorder units and it didnt have any added weight at least that i could find. i want to get to learn flying with a further aft cg, shall i do any adjustments to the as3x settings?
This is a good jet to learn to fly a tail heavier setup on - just add a little bit of weight to the rear at a time until the jet balances about 10 to 20mm behind the CG recommendation. Then keep pushing it as you get comfortable and move it back until it's closer to 30mm behind. That should be the true neutral position on this jet.
AS3X settings should be dialed in and adjusted each time you change the CG.
@@TwoBrosRC should the gains be increased? im not too familiar on what the different settings cause, couldnt find good tutorials for it either
Generally they need to be increased at slower speeds and decreased at higher speeds. That's why we use a throttle to the gain channel mix that reduces gains as throttle is increased.
Do you recon it can be flown with 4000mAh? Not if it’s nose heavy or not but if the ESC could take it?
Sure, but it'll be more difficult to get the battery in - and it will be significantly nose heavier, unfortunately.
What bec did you use? What servos in the elevators? Did you do anything about the negative deck angle and mod the length of the gear ?
We changed out the ESCs to a dual Avian 40 amp for the voltage telemetry, but didn't see a need to mention it in the vid since it was more of a side-grade rather than an upgrade. The gear are unchanged. Servos are all stock.
@TwoBrosRC interesting. I found the stock elevator servos to be fluttering very easily. Thought you were gonna chuck in the agfrcs in there, seems like it'd be a good fit. Looking forward to seeing you flat spin this thing
Hey Jon, do I need two nozzles of that same 3D printer design OR will I need to get a mirror image printed in addition?? Thanks!
Get a mirror nozzle printed. It'll be easier than trying to carve the second one to fit the opposing side.
Thank You!!!!@@TwoBrosRC
I can't print the mirror nozzle, I have two of the same ones, does anyone have the file for the nozzle with the slot in the opposite direction?
Open the file in 3D software and mirror it there, then re-export it.
good find john. i have this jet and it's flown pretty good with 3300s out the box. how did you determine this btw? i wonder what other EDFs are suffering from this. also, is anyone able to print this so that i can purchase since I don't own a 3D printer?
It (the thrust issue with incorrect nozzle diameter) was extensively discussed on RC Groups. Also, friends of ours have flown it and we've seen it have poor stock performance before flying it ourselves. Other FMS jets like the Rafale 80mm suffer from this same issue. Your local hobby shop might have a 3D printer you can have print things for you!
Just curious is these nozzles will work on the Arrows Twin 64mm F-15. My son and I both have the F-15 and would like a little more thrust.
You're better off with internal nozzles AKA "thrust tubes" to reduce the FSA without cutting anything externally. Here's some that should help: www.thingiverse.com/thing:5690048
@@TwoBrosRCThank you, I'll give these a try.
So this makes me curious… how would the Eflite A10 do with these motors 🤔
A10 is more efficient and faster. I'd not change the motors had someone gave me them for free.
He was saying that the eflite motors were not as powerful. Yes the A10 is faster. But if these motors are more powerful, they would be interesting to see in the A10
The A-10 would probably have even more thrust with the MiG motors. Not so much the other way around, though, unfortunately.
What camera do you use for your videos?
We film with a amzn.to/42lnMLB.
@TwoBrosRC Thank you sir!
As with the Arrows F-15 Eagle with the Twin 64mm EDF,s both these planes are weak on thrust and horrible on batteries...Had they just went with a single 80mm edf in the middle of the fuse and retained the dual nozzles out the back you would gain thrust and get better flying duration....which they shoulda already learned on the F-15 they previously made.
Hello I'm new. How do I know what for radio controller/transmitter I need to buy for a beginner
Join us on Discord via bit.ly/TBRCDiscord and check the #recommended-aircraft channel.
Well, I would very much like to get a set of the Kallend nozzles upgrade for my Mig-29!! Who do I need to contact to get a set of those?? I don't have a 3D printer and do not know anyone who does. Thanks in advance!!
Try sending the printing files to an online printing service.
Hey Jon, do I need two nozzles of that same 3D printer design OR will I need to get a mirror image printed in addition?? Thanks!@@TwoBrosRC
So after owning the plane for months with a few taken off attempts and no success, I finally done the kallend nozzle mod, modified the landing gear and moved the c of g back to 105 and finally it flys to then be told by my club that it is too loud.... 😒
It's a ducted fan, it's hardly loud at all lol
@@TwoBrosRC It is louder after changing the nozzles maybe i messed something up, going to go to my other club who have a decibel meter and find out the reading and go from there.
i dont mean to be rude telling you what to do, but could you review the flyfans su27?
There's nothing rude about asking us to look into something for you. That might be possible!
So....are the nozzles smaller now?
Yes, significantly. They're properly scaled for the correct FSA a 64mm motor requires.
What diameter are the new nozzles? Where do I find the information with the measurements? I just bought mine from Hobbyzone, thank you very much. Greetings from Mexico
The link is in the description.
The Arrows F15 twin 64mm is the same. Underpowered, low thrust, crap top speed, edgy on turns and chews through batteries. If i had kept it id have put in some Xfly/FMS 64mm 4s 3200kv edfs and run it on 5s with correct sized nozzles.
Edgy on turns was the main reason why I sold my Arrows mig-29. The eflite twin 70 SU30 on the other hand, doesn't drop wings no matter how hard I yank the elevator (without gyro too)
@MChronicleSword I'm still in 2 minds about buying the FMS J11. The horrid flight times is what's putting me off. Is it a worthwhile addition to a hanger? It looks absolutely gorgeous. I see the J11 in most Brian Philips reviews, sat on his kitchen bench on every review he does. Looks stunning.
The FMS J-11/Su-27 will get about 4 to 5 minutes of flight time due to the stronger stock motors over the E-flite variant. We've covered the jet recently in both nose and tail heavy setups: czcams.com/video/gTX76m_7t_g/video.html
@@M4rkmcc21 If you're a big enough Sukhoi fan, go for it! Flight times on all EDF jets are not too different from each other, IMO. The extra money is worth it for the scale, size, and objectively better flight characteristics of a larger jet
Làm về freewing mig29 twin 80mm đi bạn
OK
I thought this was the Freewing twin 80mm from the thumbnail :/
Nope. It's the Arrows 64mm. The thumbnail uses the Arrows jet.
Will you ever review the freewing twin 80mm?
Probably not anytime soon.