This RC Jet Flies Just Like a Super Hornet - FMS F/A-18F 70mm Review
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- čas přidán 4. 07. 2024
- This RC plane from FMS flies almost exactly like the full scale Super Hornet. It has a great presence to it in the sky, and with a bit of gyro correction it'll fly tail heavy for extra stable agility. In many ways it's more fun to fly than the Freewing 90mm, and much cheaper to replace components that end up getting damaged too! Like what you see?
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0:00 Join us on Discord / F/A-18F Overview
1:28 Takeoff w/ SMC 6s 3600 75v LiHV
2:10 Cobra Maneuver
2:50 Rates & Expo / Canyon Flying
3:38 Pitch Agility
4:08 Landing
4:50 Takeoff w/ SMC 6s 3600 75v LiHV
5:34 Inverted High Alpha
6:44 Knife Edge Pass
7:45 High Speed Close Pass
8:30 Landing
9:06 TwoBros Score & Review
10:38 Gyro Off & On Comparison
11:47 Rudder Warning & High Alpha Testing - Zábava
Yes that is an awesome plane to fly. Aerobatic bigtime. I flew mine and actually wore out the foam lol from flying it really hard. I did install the xfly models 70mm fan to perk it up. I highly recommend this model. But i do agree the finish is rough. FMS would do well to make a lightweight version in 80mm but full flying slab.
Bro... So I put an xfly 70mm in mine and it's a beast. I have a video on my page with a GoPro in the canopy. My fav jet
I used to work on the flight deck when I was in the navy. I worked with the Super Hornets daily. It’s always been a dream of mine to fly one of these.
While not the same thing, I hope an FPV setup in one of these will suffice
Nice. Would love to fly one of these!
After crashing 3 jets and about $1600 worth of toys today, I'm seriously considering getting some of the smaller models. I wish this was the single pilot version, since I want to do Maverick's livery and the Freewing 90mm is a Hornet version. I can't wait until they make a 80/90mm Super Hornet and a 80/90mm size F-35!
Sounds awesome too
It's definitely one of my favorites. Nice flying.
Hornet, always a winner! Beautiful jet and flying!
I found this to be a good flier, no bad stall characteristics, and it sounds great. Unfortunately the paint scheme makes orientation a little difficult, and I lost it on flight #5. Anyone reading this, I recommend getting this plane and if you do, add color or decals to see it better.
I did mine up in VF-102 50th Anniversary Diamondbacks scheme for just this reason.
Great informative video. I like it when you show the 2 flights ,with and without gyro. It really covers the entire market of flyers that way. When I see a plane that I like flown without gyro, I dont take it in as much since I am a gyro flyer. I thank you for pointing out the imperfections as some of us display our planes, making appearance a factor.
The flight itself was fantastic. It reflected the capabilities very well and also the durability.
Definitely one I will consider when back in stock.
Thanks again
Bob
Note that this jet will fly fine without a gyro *if you're not flying it tail heavy* like we are. Full scale fighter jets are flown relatively tail heavy compared to most RC pilot CGs, which is one of several reasons why full scale fighters are more agile. Getting the CG right and using a gyro to compensate for the CG shift makes your jet perform like a fighter.
@Two Brothers Radio Control absolutely agree. I do like to see the odd plane demo with gyro as it is helpful to those of us that havent gained the condidence in our skills just yet. Great job Jon
Love the FMS 18.
Friggin awesome
Love mine. I use a 6s 4000 pack. Fits perfectly and CG is spot on. Not as fast as a 70mm F-16 or Yak-130 but it's definitely locked in. It does seem to fly like a bigger, heavier jet but very positive. FMS did a great job on this one.
Hahahaah “let’s cut to the chase “ love it …I’ve had this jet for about 6 months now and it’s definitely a favorite of mine from speed to sound to mechanisms…I was just waiting for your unbiased opinion to prove some naysayers wrong…great job my boy
I love it and want one... might wait till I'm not a beginner
I have this jet and I have to say it one of the best jet beside my f22
Great flight , I got the 64mm version ,but I bet this 70mm is way better 🗣️💯
Great.
Seems like this would be easier to fly than the FMS Viper 70mm, which has not-so-great stall characteristics. Great video. Looks like a great EDF!
The Viper's great for teaching how to handle stalls and avoid them. This one can be thrown around a bit more though!
the best thing is that its a 70. they're a bit more expendable and I find that expendable planes make for a more comfortable and fun experience
Not sure if it needs it but you can get more up elevator authority if you point both rudders inward when pulling up. The drag above and behind the CG and center of pressure will rotate the nose up. The real hornet does this. It would be cool to see how much of a difference this makes in rc.
That is something to consider, thanks for the suggestion! We've used it on the 90mm Freewing variant but weren't sure if it was worthwhile for the 70mm.
@@TwoBrosRC oh cool I have to watch that video. I wonder how much of a difference it made.
I am elated that someone resurrected this great jet. I have mine and yet to maiden it. Very interested on your setups although I paired mine with an 8 channel smart receiver and the original FMS stabilizer that came with it. Note that mine came with reverse thrust which I have set up ready. Can you share your full setups and throws please? THANK YOU!!
There's no special setup here - all we're using is 150% throws. Check the chapter called "Rates & Expo" or something to that effect to hear us call it out.
OK, setting mine up to 150% throws, then your expo settings.. I will watch it again. Thanks again!
I'd like to see what AS3X gains you are using or this model!
Check the comments, we've posted it a few times. :)
Wow, that its amazing! I’ll guess this is not an entry level model for beginners right?
Definitely not.
Wow... awesome flying. Do you fly stock F18 and use the stock reflex gyro that comes with the jet? Thx.
Nope, it's using a Spektrum AR637T via bit.ly/3dCjiuO with self-programmed AS3X gains.
Awesome! I’ve been waiting for this video. Waiting for some better weather to maiden mine. Do you mind if I ask what your AS3X gains are set to? I’ve removed the reflex and am using the same receiver as you 👍 and the stock settings at x1 doesn’t seem to move the control surfaces as much as I’m used to seeing when tilting it around by hand.
2x gain, 15 roll, 50 pitch, 10 yaw. It's on relative gains that are controlled by the throttle setting using a curved mix. More throttle reduces gain, less throttle increases it. When flaps are dropped, it produces the most effect around 25% throttle to stabilize the jet during landing.
@@TwoBrosRC gotcha! I’ve seen you do the throttle based stabilization on other models! Thanks for the quick response.
One thing I noticed, it can use springs with less tension for the main gear. They are really stiff for my liking out of the box for the light weight of this jet.
Did you change the stock FMS servos with better servos? If so ? Which servos did you use? Thanks, Sir.
Nope, they're all stock servos.
Hey Jon. You been using SMC HV packs on almost all FMS jets and they all have Predator ESC. Did you have to program ESC for HV pack. I know few people that had crashes since esc shut down after like 1:30min of flight. It seems ESC wrongly sees voltage and makes cut-off thinking battery is at cut-off voltage. I want to order those pack when they will be available in EU(in few week) but not sure if am gona have problems. Also ordered HobbyWing FlyFun V5 ESC programming card. Thank you for your answer! I ordered this plane form China it should arrive in 2-3 weeks.
Most of our FMS ESCs work fine with the HV packs we use. The only one that hasn't played well is the ESC in the P-40, which reduces thrust down to 40% after it gets below 15.8v. A simple fix for this is if you hear 5 beeps (4s) or 7 beeps (6s), fly it until it drops below 16.8v or 25.2v and then land, unplug and reconnect, then fly again.
Jon, how would u compare the flight performance of this to the 80mm E-Flite/FMS F/A-18? I wanted to get the 70mm but my local shop was totally out, so I got the 80mm one instead. The 80mm doesn't have a gyro and I'm looking at putting a Hobbyeagle A3 Super 4 in it (Spektrum stuff aren't available in my neck of the woods, so no AS3X).
This is a better jet overall than the 80mm. It has too many problems to recommend. It's a good jet if you want something to look at on the ground, but it isn't something you'd want to fly unless you're willing to put in way too much work to ensure that the stabilators don't come loose, or that the nose gear doesn't get messed up.
@@TwoBrosRC thanks for the honest advice. Saw ur review of the Blue Angels' F/A-18. And yes, I do feel the stabs are somewhat dodgy but hell yes it looks real good on the ground. Will think of something to tell the missus that I need another F-18. 🤣🤣🤣
if you set the plane up correct it will fly smooth without a gyro , gyros are for learners
Hey, thanks for the quote. This will go into the upcoming video regarding gyros and why people like you have no idea what you're talking about.
I have this plane as well, but im afraid to do any loops or rolls with it all because i have 2 warbirds , 1 i have as3x only with the spectrum 637 reciever and it will not ,et me do a loop or roll. The other warbird is the same way. So when i try and loop it smacks me right out of it and turns me a different dierection. I have the spectrum 637 in this jet. Is ther anyway to have as3x and have full acrobatics?
czcams.com/video/R3jLUAd5dVM/video.html
This should cover it.
The only reason stops me from buying it is the horizontal stab... FMS should really update with a full-moving stab.
They should, but if you get it tail heavy with a gyro you won't really notice it in the air.
Great video guys!! How does it feel compared to the FW F-18 90mm?
Also Jon, can you please share your AS3X gains for this model?
Thanks man ❤
2x gain, 15 roll, 50 pitch, 10 yaw. It's on relative gains that are controlled by the throttle setting using a curved mix. More throttle reduces gain, less throttle increases it. When flaps are dropped, it produces the most effect around 25% throttle to stabilize the jet during landing.
It handles similar to the 90mm Freewing jet but it's a little more stable at the cost of being somewhat less agile.
@@TwoBrosRC amazing! Thank you for teaching us how to use the gyro correctly. It’s a really game changer
@@TwoBrosRC Would you recommend these settings for most planes? is there a reason pitch is so high on the f-18 specifically?
Because it's tail heavy at the CG we're using. Stability is most needed in the pitch axis.
What AS3X gains and sensitivity do you use for this
2x gain, 15 roll, 50 pitch, 10 yaw. lt's on relative
gains that are controlled by the throttle setting
using a curved mix. More throttle reduces gain,
less throttle increases it. When flaps are
dropped, it produces the most effect around
25% throttle to stabilize the jet during landing.
Nice flying! When you added the 637T did you remove the built in reflex? Seems redundant.
Yes, you should always use a single gyro. The AR637T could be used with the Reflex gyro but only if the AS3X system isn't set up.
@@TwoBrosRC sounds good. I’ve never owned anything that isn’t e-flite. Eyeing some cool birds that you’ve posted on here from other companies, but was curious if there’s a benefit of using reflex over as3x/safe. Looking closely at the f-15 and f-22. Will most likely toss a 637T in either
@@ltk20 If you're already using a Spektrum radio, there's no benefit to using Reflex gyros over a Spektrum ARXXX receiver. Forward Programming receivers to adjust them on the fly is an integral part of the Spektrum ecosystem. You don't get that with Reflex, and it isn't as powerful because it can't emulate all of the wing and tail types that a Spektrum gyro can.
@@TwoBrosRC sounds good, thanks for the good info. Years ago I got a bunch of rides in the F-15 with the same Eglin tail markings on it. It was the first plane I ever got to fly even before my ppl. I’m leaning towards that bird for nostalgic reasons even though the -22 probably flys better. Great reviews on both btw!
Jon would u say this and the F16 are different enough to own both or are they similar in flight character but one is better? Just trying to decide which to buy. Cheers
They're definitely nothing alike in flight characteristics, at least not at the CG we've used on both jets. The F-16 is still pretty docile even with a 3600 shoved to the back. The F/A-18 is tail heavy with a 3600 at the back. This makes it significantly more fun (and definitely requires a pitch gyro for precision/stability) to fly for us compared to the F-16.
@Two Brothers Radio Control thanks man. F18 it 👍🏾
Is there any way you can put a G meter, so that we can see how my G force a rc plan can pull ?
It already has one. You'll hear it call out in the vid.
How did you get a g meter
It's part of our AR637T receiver: bit.ly/3dCjiuO
Great information 🎉, what is the price?
Open the link in the description.
cab you show the battery placement?
As far back as possible.
@Two Brothers Radio Control Thanks for the reply. I tried that however it made the plane tail heavy. The plane is completely factory and with out any armaments to make it as light as possible. I'm using a spectrum AR637T with as3x enabled. moving the battery forward makes it difficult to rotate off of grass. Battery I'm using is spektrum 6S 3200 smart battery. Any suggestions?
@@qnoorani We did mention that we're using a lot of pitch gain to compensate for the tail heaviness. Try that!
Do you have any videos of how to set up as3x and safe on a brand new receiver ? Not BNF. More like a AR10360T
SAFE is super simple to set up, no video is really needed for it. We go over setting up AS3X in several of our setup guides. Whether the receiver is BnF or not doesn't matter, the process is identical for a new/unlocked receiver.
czcams.com/video/fPREX6X1U9g/video.html
@@TwoBrosRC the reason for asking is. When I set mine up. The as3x won’t turn on unless I add value to the heading. I watched Brian Phillip set one up and he didn’t put anything in heading and it was working. However, another CZcams guy had the same issue. He found he had to add value to heading. I checked 2 of my Bnf planes and they have zero in heading. Therefore I’m a bit confused and concerned I’m doing something wrong. Here’s the video I’m referring to
czcams.com/video/CH69j1JK7Uc/video.html
@@pstarxxx78 Contact Horizon support for assistance here.
@@TwoBrosRC u know. every time i complain to you about something. All of a sudden what ever it is starts working correctly. Either its 🍀🍀. Or your part of the matrix. If your part of the matrix, I need some winning lottery numbers. Thanks.
Will it fly off of grass?
Absolutely, if it's low-cut grass.
I thought the flight characteristics were great but the canopy lock... the fit and finish... and the lack of takeoff power were a little disappointing
I really wish FMS would Would update this edf with better electronics and canopy like the Yak-130
Lack of power? It had plenty from what we could tell. Fit and finish is definitely an issue though.
@Two Brothers Radio Control i crashed mine on the maiden after it was full power down the runway 50-60 yards... nothing like the Yak-130... or the Viper 70mm
Love the way it flew.. the rear stabs were amazing with rolls with the ailerons.. but.. man the canopy... i am using packaging tape to secure it now..
Definitely deserves a v2 update..
But i could be wrong
It's using a FMS 1900kv inrunner, definitely isn't lacking for power. Did you calibrate the ESC before flying? That would probably be the issue. That or a battery that can't keep up with the power load.
@Two Brothers Radio Control yes sir calibrated esc running a 50c smart 4000mAh.. all the same as my Yak-130 and Viper 70mm
Hell, i run the smc 5000mAh in the Viper and Yak-130 on Windy Days for a little bit more stability
*where to buy? *
Link's in the description.
Will not try it with this jet because its fast. The warbirds are much slower so 8 can bring it back to me in time, again ,how do 8 keep my as3x and have full acro?
We're not sure what you're asking here specifically.
How do you think an f-117 flight controls are mixed?czcams.com/video/EwKIJtQWleI/video.html I am thinking about getting one when they're available. Yaw controls?
Try Googling it - there's probably a wealth of info on it.
'...Remotely done with this thing' ba-dum-dum
Little RC humor?
lol
Interesting that you say that anyone who says they can fly this plane with extended throws and aft cg without a gyro are 100% wrong. Very arrogant assumption to make there. I recently got this exact plane and am using a ar620 with no gyro with 150% rates on elevator and aileron with 55% expo. Mine flies very smooth. Im using a 4000 pack which could be a little heavier than yours. I also have about the same amount of flying experience as you and have used gyros since i started. Only recently have i started moving away from them. They help slightly in the wind from what ive found and also noticed the plane is more responsive without stabilization. Ive watched lots of your videos but you should really tone down the arrogance. You're not the only one out there doing extended rates etc you just might be one of the few posting youtube videos about it.. youll never get a true feeling of how stable the plane flies with a gyro in it..
Yes, yes, gyro bad.
Expo bad too.
Anything new bad, everything old good.
We get it.
gyro is for noobs. Nice Jet tho.
czcams.com/video/1NJWIj5zQNs/video.htmlsi=iiyZMlIvk0F0_dpT