Is The New 2020 Jeep Gladiator Pickup As Good Off-Road as a Jeep Wrangler? Here’s The Verdict!
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Just the fact it comes in a manual transmission sells it for me. Lol
Yup, I'm a Toyota guy but with the lack of a manual, I'd probably think about the Jeep.
@@ourkaravan my guy, toyota sells their truck and corolla with a manaul.
@@h001139 I should have clarified that I have a manual 4Runner and the lack of the manual in the latest 4Runner means I'd be looking at the jeep lineup. More likely a 4 door Wrangler SUV than the pickup version. You're right, you can get the Tacoma with a manual.
Tacoma does too
The problem with a manual is that you lose max towing capacity.
"Unlimited headroom with the top removed"😁😁 Great deadpan humor delivery there, Andre!
Fkin hilarious
I would like to see the diesel, but that truck is going to be $$$$$$$$$$$$
$48,000
Yeah it's going to come out soon hopefully. It was pulled from the market for bad engineering weak bearings and stuff but the engine will be coming back
I have a 4 cyl diesel Colorado and it was pretty weak stock wish it was a v6. I had to get a tuner because it only had 185hp. But now it's got an extra 32hp and more torque and it is alot better
@@LesterSuggs Maybe used in a couple years.lmao $58k
@@LesterSuggs For what the base model, the Rubicon won't be that cheap.
@@leadnsteel1428 Yeah thats a bummer, I tell you I won't be waiting for the EV one. :)
A 2-door version on the frame of the Wrangler Unlimited, where everything behind the front doors is just bed would be cool, too.
I'm not a hater, wife and I have 2 Jeeps. 2017 wrangler winter edition. This is loaded and sticker was 44,600. Also have a 1998 wrangler, this is a project vehicle.Salesman told me the gladiator would start in 50's. I went online and built me a decked out Tacoma and Colorado. Tacoma 42,000, Colorado 46 grand. My main complaint is Greed. I hope Ford Bronco is more reasonable.
The bronco wont look at the price of the ranger
Ford and reasonably priced do not go together.
Can you take the top off? Do they have the same features? Do they have the same towing capacities? Besides, if money is your main issue... buying new is NEVER the way to go. All new vehicles lose approx. 25% of their value as soon as you drive off the lot.
I think that opinion doesn't take into account the cost of engineering a fully open vehicle like this. You gotta pay to play
@C-Bomb IMO I don't really think a Trailboss can off-road like the Gladiator, other than the 2" lift, it's mostly an appearance trim.
Can't wait for the Diesel Rubicon Gladiator. It will be mine.
I want a Turbo Diesel Rubicon Gladiator with the 6 speed manual.
Got the Diesel in a GC. Std, it’s like a Christmas tree with $1k sensors pinging left and right; delete it and you’ll have a fuel efficient, torquey, long running monster.
Hopefully this next gen of the engine has had the EGR, Def sensor ( in fact the whole ‘Eco’ system) reworked and bullet-proofed
Must be nice to have $75k laying around.lol
All the midsize truck diesel are coming
I'll wait to see towing numbers on that, but it may be my next truck...
manual trans, topless, 6" lift, 35 or 37 " tires, this truck is going to be a beast.
Mountain Man Jim if it’s anything like the JL a 2.5 inch lift will run 37 and a 6” you could probably run 42. It can run 35X12 without any lift right from factory, again if it’s like the JL. I’m excited and can’t wait to see one in person.
If you enjoy stalling, the manual is perfect , really hating my 3.6 man rubicon . off road . 40 years of manual jeeps ..
Thats a nice nod to Toledo in the bed of the truck. Really cool to see. Glad jeep takes pride in that.
Awesome truck! Great job on the review Andre!
Can’t wait to see the camper shell options. This may end up being the best of both worlds with room for a family and room for outdoor gear but not to big or to small.
This video is miles better than the one you guys uploaded yesterday about the gladiator , yesterday’s was way too rushed. So thanks for re uploading this and making it more watchable.
Awesome review. Looking forward to seeing this first hand in Moab in two weeks. Maybe even a test drive? See you there. Safe travels and God Bless!
I’ve always struggled with wanting a Jeep but needing the utility of a truck. The fact that this even competes in the mid size class, let alone leads it in some ways, blows my mind. I gotta get one.
Get a raptor
@@ares1469 ew no
@@ares1469 maybe if it had solid axels
I really wish they'd make a cheaper single cab (or cab-and-a-half) version with a shorter wheel base. I have no use for a huge 4 door cab. Regardless, a new manual 4x4 truck with the ability to install a winch? AWESOME!
that's just a vey stupid an lazy thing to say, it makes No sense at all...good luck .
@Captain Caveman don't be stupid as well,,boring very boring.
Some people have friends I guess
Extended cab, 6 ft bed
Great Video.... Crushing the competition ... Dana’s, lockers, swaybar disconnect, skid plates, rock sliders from front fender to rear tailgate, winch ready bumper, removable bumper extensions ...
Break-over may not be the best, it’s still going further than any truck out there from the Factory.
Maybe if it were a single cab or shorter, but I would argue that break over is very important. If I were going to go off-road I think I would still have a normal wrangler.
Watching lots of videos, TrailRecon is my latest find, just like RV’s... Storage is the Achilles Heel of all outdoors plans. They have plenty of storage ideas within the confides of off-road vehicles.... Gladiator has lots more storage space.
Two door trucks? No thanks ... I grew up in the era of bench seats ... nothing nostalgic about being shoulder to shoulder without legroom
Are those new bumpers really winch ready? Because my jk hard rock model, still required you to purchase a winch plate that wasn’t standard for the hard rock bumper. Which is almost 300.
Just watched a vid for installing a Warn on an 18 JL. Came with 2 spacers ... 7 skid plate bolts, 8 bumper mount bolts, 4 lower winch mount bolts, not exactly pop on .... but readily accessible
But is it gonna make it back?
Excellent video as always Andre!
Mannn this camera quality is awesome!🤘
I clicked just to see how the Falken Wildpeak MT's performed.
I just bought this truck and I am not a truck person. this is the coolest/funnest truck I have ever driven. Its changed the way my spouse and I spend our weekends. We've started to hike and camp for the first time ever. Cool ass truck!
I want one. A longer wheelbase is perfect for towing my pop-up camper. But I can also go exploring off-road.
*how about a inline 6 with a manual trans and NO Start/Stop and CAM-CHAINS to stretch???????*
I would love this truck with the diesel and a manual transmission! That would be some great mpgs, and more reliable. I am sold on this truck, I also think it can handle a V8 much better than a V6.
I think Jeep hit it out of the park, unfortunately it doesn't work for me(I need at least a 250/2500) for work but it looks awesome, I was a little worried that it wasn't going to look good but I think it's great and it's got all the cool features to back it up
C'mon Jeep, man up and throw a Hemi in there!
It’s already a Jeep man, with a hemi you’re just asking to stay in the mechanics shop all week lol
My neighbor has a Wrangler with a Hemi, just put one in it.
Can people afford this truck with a hemi in it.??
James McIntire nah should throw a Cummins in there
@@ryanlusby569
You must be a LS fanboy. Lol
If I didnt love my 19 ram 1500 I would seriously consider this in the diesel form. What a sweet truck
I wouldn’t, they aren’t nearly as reliable as they used to be,
There’s nothing reliable about the eco diesel and there never will be. Those engines are meant for cars and just that. Do not buy a eco diesel truck it will spin bearings as it has been since they first made them.
They redesigned some of the components to the motor to make it more reliable. But I'm definitely not trading in my truck for it lol
@C-Bomb the vehicle does what the driver does, equally skilled drivers and the gladiator will come out on top in anything except pre running or highway racing (why did you buy a truck to do that?)
And also they need a single cab option!!! Common jeep give us a manual single cab 6ft bed option
With 90% of Wranglers sold being 4 door... Don't hold your breath. Simple economics. Even thou it would be cool to have a 2 door option.
Finally! A video that isnt rehashing the same old PR video clips from FCA. Thanks!
love my 2020 LE so far...have had it about 6 months now .... Fuel Avg for the 5k miles on it so far is 16 mpg though most miles are commuter miles with lots of stops/start! My purpose for getting it was off-roading (tame rock crawling) mostly over landing trips with RTT , fishing poles and remote camping...Hate ESS -- glad I can press a button to disable it! took me a while to create the habit to just instinctively do it right away! Like the quick disconnect for the roof top sections. Had a 98 Wrangler Sport for 10 years previously.
I've been waiting 6 months for you guys to make this video. And the two main facts I wanna know I gotta wait till the 30th.
Same here. Price and how does it drive. I NEED TO KNOW
@@joestriker2100 yeah I have a frontier and I wanna trade it in for another car. But I wanna see the mpg and price first
Get a raptor
s13 ka24 most ppl get between 16-18 mpg out of a jeep.
@@JohnDoe-nz6bk not bad
I like the payload numbers but the design makes most of the cargo weight sit behind the rear axle which will create rather light steering when loaded. Not a good option for a lightweight truck camper...
Awesome review Andre!!! Love the new wranglers and this Gladiator.
Very cool but I’m guessing the Rubicon will be $15k more then a ZR2.
Mike Missouri And the ZR2 is better in almost every way. I hate to say I’d buy a chevy over a jeep but in this case i would without a doubt.
Secret ! I have a zr2 but the gladiator will be better off road. Live axels, more clearance and more features. You can also put 35s stock. But I prefer the zr2 cause the gladiator will probably be about 15k more
@@e9sports393 long travel the IFS of the ZR2, articulation problem solved
For speedy offroad the Colorado wins but you beat the jeep when It comes to climbing
@@e9sports393You can fit 33s stock on the Zr2 and 35s with a tiny amount of work. The only good thing is the front axle and for a daily I'd rather have the IFS. The zr2 has more clearance stock and I'm pretty sure much more features. Jeeps are pretty sparse compared to the competition.
The way the soft top sits fully open seems like it could have been engineered better...
Jeffery Gardner definitely. Folded back looks like ass
There is probably a warning against driving at highway speeds with the soft top down, unless you want to shred it.
mountainhobo salesman will never tell a customer they can’t drive with the top down. Customer will never read the manual or any warning labels because they’ve been conditioned to ignore the airbag safety warning. I expect a lot of broken soft tops until they change the design so that you must remove it completely.
You're probably right, Mark.
@@mountainhobo Pretty sure it'll be rated for highway speeds just like on the Wranglers. I've driven with my soft top folded at 80+ many times and it was perfectly fine.
looking forwards to irresponsible people buying these on credit, then not being able to afford it, and i pick it up for cheap :)
Skiffles thats how i got my rubicon unlimited;)
Ok both your comments throw me off. Jeep Wranglers dance with the Tacoma for #1 in lowest depreciation. Seems like even high mileage Rubicons are hardly cheap. If you got a great deal, awesome! I guess since this is a "truck" it may depreciate at a different rate from the Wranglers. I'm still watching the vid so forgive me if I'm missing something. On my chillznax CZcams account I posted a video of the"Auto Show", you know the ones we pay for that are basically walking around the dealer lot but inside. I don't know why I pay for it. Anyway, near the end of the video I show the Gladiator and talk about it VS the Ranger. The Ranger had people swarming all over it, the Gladiator not at all. Blew me away. Why are people so enamored over that Ranger!!!? I'm with both of you, I want a Jeep.
Jeeps retain their value to well to get a deal. Unless you buy it privates off desperate owner. Dealers don't negotiate too much on Wranglers. I see the Gladiator going for above MSRP for a while. That said, I wouldn't buy one until next year. Like all new models of all cars/trucks, there is always the intentional for some tweaking and/or issues.
Got my new 19 JL for 2300 back of invoice
There are no cheap used Jeep Wranglers... They hold on to value with vice grips.
I've been waiting for this since they first said they were going to start producing them!! This will be in my driveway, mark my words.
The Gladiator is going to be very popular, in my opinion. I think it will be used more than the Tacoma for off-road. Good job Jeep!!
Ron Dail perhaps. Although I’d say you naturally get some cross shoppers but the bulk of the people are going to be Yota guys or Jeep guys.
It’s too bad keeps aren’t reliable nowadays, would love them if they were.
Not at 50k they aren't!
@@godemperorofmankind7255 , on that point I agree. Trucks are getting very expensive. I would not pay $50 for the Gladiator. Maybe for a loaded full-size truck.
Cant believe they are only putting the 3.6 in it. Definitely a bummer
Jacob Hanson it’ll eventually come with the eco diesel. If you’re thinking it should have a Hemi, you can always go the Aftermarket Route.
You can always buy the base model and supercharge it for like 6k. Now it's a beast.
The first iconic Jeep 4x4 truck was powered by a 60hp 2.5l... Just sayin' ;-)
hp is not everything .traction is more favored than high performance on "off road" conditions.
If it had the Hemi drivetrain out of the grand cherokee i'd trade my truck in right now. The 3.6 is still too high strung for my liking. Manual trans though!
I'll give you another opening bullet point. Will this truck be the most expensive mid-size in America??
You can bet on that
Fully convertible engineering ain't cheap
Yup
It's the only pick up with removable doors and top along with, solid axles. They can name their price since they are the only ones to offer that package. They will sell
Good review Andre.
Honestly really impressed with this truck, thanks TFL!
I would love a single cab gladiator
lrchava07 im with u. 4dr is too long for me
Great follow up vid can’t wait next full vid👍
Great Preview, thank you!
Because of the missing Wranglers Side Windows in the Back, the JTs Soft Top Install will be somewhat quicker and easier.
But the Sunrider feature sits a little too high in the back in my opinion.
I saw every other review, but this is the one I've been waiting for.👍
Highest gasoline towing capacity in the segment. Can't wait to see this truck on the Ike Gauntlet.
OFFRD Yeah I cant see that engine doing very well with 7000 pounds in tow.
@@mikemissouri5152 lol 3.6 is a dog. My dads 1500 struggles
I wouldn't call the 3.6L a "dog". My JL Wrangler with 2.5" lift and 35" mud tires does 0-60 in 6.9 seconds according to the dash timer. The engine has plenty of power and the torque curve is surprisingly flat if you look at a dyno sheet. Torque comes on quick and stays for a long time. PLUS let's not forget that the JL/JT models have the 850RE transmission with the 4.71 first gear, so getting off the line with a trailer isn't an issue.
OFFRD True. My bad I was actually thinking of the Taco V6 which is definitely a dog.
@@jacobhanson9009 I am not sure I would ever have this engine in a truck, but in my 2017 Jeep GC its way more then adequate. I have the hemi in my truck and wouldn't have anything else
I like that Rubicon a lot but I'm fairly convinced you'd be able to get a ZR2 for $10k less.
or a Tacoma
Neither the ZR2 nor the Tacoma will be half as capable as this thing modified. This can take 37" tires stock. Neither of those trucks can even be modified to run 37s to my knowledge.
AD1 Marlin Crawlers 2015 Tacoma runs 40’s.
@@Kona61 with parts of the frame cut out and probably $6000 worth of suspension and another $4000 in axle shafts and still break drivetrain components. I reckon the gladiator will take 40s with a three inch lift kit and you could build two absolutely invincible D44s for $4000 all day and actually rock crawl with those 40s rather than mall crawl.
AD1 I didn’t make a single claim about cost or actual applicability of 40s. However, they can fit. I do like jeeps, but it cannot be ignored that there are trade offs between it and Toyota’s.
I am impressed!!!!! So many options!!!! And a manual transmission !!!!! Great video and thanks for sharing!!!
I am planning to buy one of these specifically the Rubicon and do engine swapping, probably a reliable V8 engine which is compatible for this model. What do you think and which V8 engine is ideal for this truck?
lol that max leverage.... you just use another wrench. and its free.
Or a cheater pipe lol
Yea I just have a big hollow pipe it was laying around and cost nothing you would be crazy to buy one of those
Andrew Moore same, just a small thick long pipe, leverage is a great thing
Yall going to hurt his sponsorship. Lol. Have to keep those tricks secret.
Hoping you’ll have Canadian pricing too.
I want to buy this truck! The only problem is, everyone I know who buys a Jeep has expensive paperweight after the warranty expires. I'll have to wait to see how reliable this model is.
Everyone I know that owns a jeep, loves them and never had a issue with them.
Awesome video
I have a feeling this truck would look badass lifted with wide wheel stance n mts!!
I hear Nathan already “Gladiator Rubicon don’t care!”
I bet Nathan doesnt like it
Bet he will because it comes with a manual transmission.
Matched with the 3L diesel this truck would be awesome. Mileage and power matched to terrific off-road capability
I can''t wait for the Gladiators to start hitting the dealer lots. I've been considering going back to a jeep, so I'm very curious to see how it compares to the wrangler.
make an 8 foot box and regular cab with a 5.7 liter v8 and then I will buy it!
Go buy a ram?
Would be really ugly
2 door plz and shorten the departure by 6 inches
Does anyone know if you’ll be able to put a top above the bed? If you get what I mean. Not the flat cover. But the cover that will make it look like a cube if you get what I mean lol. I don’t know how to explain it. Lol
Curious how the long wheel base does. I just love my tacoma to much i think to trade for a jeep.
It’s cheaper to use another wrench 🔧 for more leverage
Hah I was looking at that ad and thinking.... amateurs lol
Looks like a nice truck. I would like to see it lifted with some bigger tires🤔
Been waiting for a Jeep Truck for years. Brilliantly done in my opinion and far exceeds my expectations for payload and towing and comes with solid axles and a manual tranny. However based on the prices of the JL here in Canada which are approaching 70k, it’s hard to take on the monthly payments.
You fit in the back seat, but how is the legroom in the front? I saw one at the auto show, but wasn't allowed to sit in it, so I sat in the 4 door wrangler thinking it is the same and it's tight for my 6' 2" frame.
How loud is that new cooling fan? I know noise is a problem on the JL
It's not a problem. It's a blessing. Keeps the engine cool in all offroad conditions, even in the desert.
Not as loud as standing next to a highway with a overheated engine lol
R Shiery, WIN
Have a JL & have not even once heard an overworked fan. Mercedes-Benz are known for that problem; not an issue on my Jeep.
@@4-LOW np trucks have an electric cooling fan because cooling is way to important on a reliable vehicle...of course thats the least of your worries in a Jeep
I would consider getting one but I already have a Jeep truck. It’s a 1954 with a v8... 7.4 v8😤
Jayden s ?
7.4 v8 that puts out less power than a modern 4cyl 😂
Always wanted a convertible 4x4 but need the functionality of a truck bed. Combined with the best 4x4 capability and hell ya I'm gonna own one of these one day
Great review but how much more power do you really need in a midsize truck? With the auto trans and 4.10 gearing my 18’ JLUR feels a lot more powerful than my 14’ JKUR. Add a cold air intake, cat back, and computer tune, that should put it a little over 300hp.
I don't know how I feel about this?!? It's weird kind of cool looking.
....LOL!!!! Agreed. I'm looking at it and liking it, but this truck has me scratching my head as well.....
It’s ugly
It’s like a mullet imo. Maybe a little ugly, but awesome in its own way
Excellent as always bringing us the scoop Andre. Also worth noting this will be the only 4x4 American truck with a manual transmission option as the Ram 2500 is removing that option I believe.
Jeep is owned by Fiat Chrysler Automobiles, which is one of the world's biggest automakers. The Jeep brand is a division of FCA US LLC, a subsidiary of the Italian parent company.
Dararit Chao Jeep is an American company even being a part of FCA
You can still get a Manuel transmission in a newer Ford truck in a another country closets to us in america would be in Mexico, don't know about Canada
@@hihaveaniceday9386 Can you even register a truck like that from another country? I feel like our government would have a problem with that somehow. Not to mention repair issues having a truck not meant for sale in the US
@@srtmetal7647 yea it's called importing and totally legal but I think there is a year limit
was this video taken down or was it a picture I saw ? I'm confused.
that soft top looks like its going to just catch wind like crazy when driving with it open
I think you may be over hyping the "Jeep Truck". In person it may be different but, in videos I don't like the dimensions. Something is wrong?
Coolest midsized truck hands down!
I love you’re guys videos, just got cleared from Ford for a F-150 but I’m passing, waiting on this to be released instead!!!
Great overall but would like a single/extended cab with a useable 6.5 ft bed to give it a bit more utility. Heck, they could do a quad cab with a 6.5 ft bed like Chevy and Toyota.
Been waiting to see this, it’s either this in diesel or the ZR2 diesel
KingOfSorrow 1217 I wouldn’t touch a ZR2 at all. Not much after market support for lift or bumpers and there rear shock design is terrible and hangs below the pumpkin.
Going to get a ZR2, I dont like the way jeeps look. Otherwise I think I would go with the jeep.
corpsman247 but it looks much better and drives way better. Ride and handling is 10 times better than what the Jeep offers.
WOW, an 84:1 crawl ratio with the manual Trans! How cool is that? Beats the Tacoma and ZR2 all to hell!!
KingOfSorrow 1217 the bison version? It seems like you get so much more
Take up on Cliffhanger 2.0.
I don’t plan on mudding very much. Mostly overlanding. So I’m not worried about the over hang
Man I had been saving up for a new 4x4 or AWD vehicle for nearly a year, was planning on a Outlander V6 GT or a Frontier 4x4 until I saw this coming out. Holy GAWD I wanted this so BAD a convertible 4x4 pickup based on the Jeep!!! But some things happened in the family, and I ended up buying a new leftover 2018 Ram Promaster full size high roof cargo van WTF!? Part time Handicap van, part time pickup truck, and part time camp in the thing because why not! So far no regrets this huge van is so unlike anything I've owned in the past, and I've had tons of used and a couple new Pickup's over the last 19 years of driving.
Promaster vs NV vs Transit vs Sprinter vs Dinosaur Express on the Ike Gauntlet. DO IT, Make it happen! My money is on the AWD Sprinter and AWD Transit 2020 to kick ass.
Love it. Really cool. But it’s still a midsize truck at a full-size price. So nope.
Full size trucks are sixty grand.
Solid axles, sway bar disconnect, front and rear lockers, all these options should be way more standard on all trucks. But this.. is not a "truck".. it's a jeep with a bed. 1600 payload and idk towing but probably very bad.. only useful off-road
@@VicVinegar710 that's what this is too
Why is everyone trying so hard to prove this thing can go off road? It's a Jeep that's built with mostly JL parts on the chassis so of course it will go off road, with less break over angle due to the length. I want them to prove that this thing can do truck stuff. That's how they will sell me on it. I don't just want another Jeep with a bed
It can do everything the mid-size truck class can do. Matches or beats payload and towing capacities of competitors. The frame is different from the Wrangler. Much heavier duty. The only thing is it comes in only the one cab and bed length.
Are those three indents in the bed next to the tailgate, for the Litner Design railings?
Would like to know if the hardtop can handle a rooftop tent or not. I really see this vehicle as a overlanded and would like to know it is capable to handle that usage
Love it, but would love it more if it had a Hemi with manual and 8 spd trans
This should become TFL's next long-term truck
Reko Sri, if they can afford it. This isn’t going to be cheap.
Roman- I was wondering why the increase in towing when gladiator has so much in common with wrangler. Thank you for explaining that.
I would love to compare one to my H3T alpha, so similar but each has its pros and cons. I can admit the gladiators superior off road but I still love my h3t
lastbhatalive stay tuned lol I’m planning to just haven’t had time
Waiting for that “I can do that with my Corolla” comment lol
Big deal, I can do that in my Corolla!!
I can see a Dodge Dakota coming back soon that in a diesel is going to be awesome and this truck is awesome too
They killed off the Dakota for this to take its place
@@TheLootownpunx Ram and Jeep were both planning mid sized trucks.
I have a Toyota T100 and something I notice on the Gladiator that also affects my T100 is the amount of box length sticking out past the rear wheels. Your egress angle on this thing is going limit you. Buckling your rear quarter panels sucks...ask me how I know.
Looks really cool with soft top
Turning circle. Nobody has mentioned the turning circle.
Looks about one city block
Cute Barbie truck, should make a great rental.
Looks good i wonder if it has the same weld issues as the wrangler jl and how its aproach, breakover and departure angle compare to the zr2
Well he listed the angles so you can stop wondering.
I like these. Definitely picking up a Rubicon Gladiator after a couple years and all the options are out.
I'd guess $50,000 . Give one to kevin Williams. See if it lives.
Gonna say it: the fully loaded Rubicon price wise...around high 50s.
Yikes. For a Jeep.
It's even more
How does an off-road Jeep like this stop the airbag from deploying while taking on trails? I’m curious because these vehicles are built for this, but also the road where the airbag is necessary, and required by law.
I’m definitely buying one of these. The break over will be better with a set of 37” tires on and it will actually go through the amazing trails here in Colorado. A full-size is too wide otherwise I’d have one. The diesel will be perfect for the big tires. It won’t come with a manual with the diesel but i’m ok with that if it means over 400 foot pounds of torque for those big ass tires.