In the decade that I have been playing Magic I have learned, sometimes the hard way, that when a card has an alternative casting cost it is almost always better than hard casting it.
@@ThatMillGuyShaf Hey man! I love the sketch idea but is there any way the rules text would be able to fit on screen? It would really be helpful for newer players that don’t know what these cards might do by heart and help them get into MTG more.
Oh, draw 2? Mana Value? Nah, is free "Tresaure cruise has a way to high Mana Value to be good!" "You mean the ancestral recall that's banned in modern, legacy, pauper, restricted in Vintage, that costs 2 floopin pennies? Okay"
And if those lands don't have any other effects. Would love those in a commander deck with mystic sanctuary. mystic sanctuary, get counterspell back, gush bouncing mystic sanctuary, mystic sanctuary getting gush back... and so on
One reason Brainstorm is so handy with Delver. Setup at instant speed, get the flip and off to the races. That said no help to setup the flip will set you back some with Delver.
Not to mention the beauty that is sorcery speed gush. It’s turn 3 and you don’t have a land drop, no worries, you can still get three mana, tap your islands, gush, play one of the islands you already tapped!!! This means that with gush plus all the cantrips you already play, you can play EVEN FEWER LANDS
I’m a huge delver fan, I’ve ran it in almost every format and multiple colors. I actually wrote a 42 page short novel book purely around delver of secrets. “The Fundamental Understanding and Practical Uses of Delver of Secrets”.
@@Murphthemick Actually he missed way more cards. He played delver which is a bad card in those mono U decks, since you'd play a playset of both ninjas. So he didn't just miss out on those 2 ninjas, he also played a very bad 1 drop.
I truly love these videos!!! If not for you, I would never have known about the reason why some cards are banned. Really really love this format of videos!!
I feel like in a lot of these banned explained videos, you go over the decks Stone Cold nuts draws, I definitely think that this one was a little bit more down to earth and realistic
You kinda have to with the format, if I made these "videos" and not "shorts" I could flesh it out, but it's easier to walk through a combo deck when I have the nuts and can understand the salt
Getting rid of daze and gush took a format where the only competition was U delver, UB delver, and UR delver, and actually let other folks occasionally play other decks. I'm speaking from the perspective of a U delver player, even if I do miss it, it was still too powerful.
I could've sworn gush was banned in part also because of Tireless Tribe. Draw 2 cards but amp your hand cards by 4 meaning tireless Tribe plus Gush plus Inside Out is just always lethal (Inside Out draws a card so replaces itself)
Love the format of the video but as a newish player idk what those cards do . Could u edit a way to post each card with there effects on the screen so I can pause n read them to know what’s going on
In commander gush is actually pretty weak and overplayed. You have to be able to consistently get islands and 4/5 5 color decks really want all their colors, so even with triomes and duals it is an actual cost. Players often play it when they have to budget of a manabase to support it to. Mana is much more of a restriction in commander and card draw is super abundant with things like mystic remora, rystic study and almost every engine out there.
Actually right around when they were banning these is when we started seeing delverless delver...it would be much much worse to have these unbanned now.
Good news, it's hard to outdate knowledge about eternal formats! Once a common, always a common. At least as far as pauper is concerned. While it's true that sometimes cards will get upshifted in rarity when they receive a reprint, a card is considered playable in pauper if it was EVER printed at common. My favorite is Armadillo Cloak, which was only printed in a set as a common during its first outing in Invasion. Even though it upshifted when it reappeared in Masters sets later on, it's still Pauper legal and perfect for Bogles.
Daze meta is way better than this turbo meta right now… artifact lands can’t get countered, mono red draws more than mono blue… and mono blue have bigger treats and cheaper treats than mono green. The format speed up way too much, with the only way to win being “do I have an answer for this right now? No? I lose. Yes? I win” . Pauper now is fucked up.
I have like 25 paper pauper decks, and I have a huge pile of banned cards that sit in shame, the pile of atog, prism, bonder, gush, daze, astrolab, mystic sanctuary, that's a THICC pile. I think all the ban in pauper are mostly ok.
Casting Foil on a turn 2 bolt is a a pretty bad play. Boros will often have another removal spell. leaving the delver player with 0 permanents. That matchup is favorable for Boros.
The cards were perfectly fine until foil got downshifted, btw. Also they banned way too many cards from one deck all at the same time, though. It feels bad enough to have a card banned from your deck, but to lose 12 cards out of your deck on a single Monday… that makes you quit the format and never come back.
Those who don't know what Gush and Daze does can check tournament results when they were legal and then the results after Foil was downshifted, then check tournaments afterwards when Gush and Daze was banned. Just the average rankings show obvious results of how dominant blue was when Gush and Daze were legal. They should never leave the banlist. No, it doesn't matter if "I always won against those decks", you don't make up majority and your personal winrate against those deck don't remove it's overall winrate and efficiency. PS: @ThatMillGuy I honestly think that short vids are really bad when trying to explain how busted certain banned cards are in a format. That's why I think they might do better in a longer, more detailed video where you can delve deeper in what they did and why they got banned and how warped a format became during their lifetime.
@@Playingwithproxies ok? That’s no different than holding up any other counterspell. What does that have to do with Daze specifically to make it special?
Just outlast it like any strat against a blur counter cheese deck. Its not as good as it used to be since we have so much power creep, if he wasnt against an actual fast red deck he would loose to the speed
@@ODDnanref I'm sick and like playing against control (and like playing it). Though this might be a bit too good at effectively locking out players for my tastes.
@@sammysammyson This is not control, this is tempo. A variant of aggro where you stall enough so you 1-2 dudes kill your opponent. Control, can out value it. Theoretically. If they survive long enough. Aggro can race it, if they get to resolve threats. Midrange will have issues until they can either outscale the threat or outvalue them. The problem is getting lucky enough to prevent them from getting one creature on board. Hence why most of their critter have evasion or are impossible to target. Delver is played with mongoose in legacy and follows the same principle. This deck is fun to play because you are always walking the thin line. Living on the edge. One misstep and you might lose. Literally stealing moments until you win. It is also why it gets frustrating because you literally blue ball your opponent from their win. Always at the edge, one card is the difference between them turning this whole thing around. It compounds on the feeling: "Of course they have exactly the card they need to protect themselves one more turn", "of course they drew the counter they needed". Control is a bit easier to play around because you know they usually do nothing till turn three or four. Aggro gets to wail at them and if they are fast enough control did nothing. Tempo literally races your typical aggro and wins by countering one creature so they deal one more damage per turn than their opponent, so they win at 5 life. Fun to play, if you can get the balance right, it is thrilling match. It can just easily frustrate opponents because you blue ball them. Makes some of them feel that all the time they thought they were close to victory was just bull, or you personally playing with their feelings. When in fact it was that close. Or worse, they feel like they never got to play the entire game, and never realize they were one draw away from beating you but you drew that one counter spell with a hand full of land. So they never realize how close it got They just experienced an entire game where everything was irrelevant or got countered.
@@ODDnanref I consider tempo to be a control variant as well as an aggro variant since it heavily incorporates aspects of both. Regardless, thanks for the info ☺️ Might pick up the list for casual play (with good rule zero talk). Never wanted to play the mono U tempo deck back around XLN/DOM standard, but this one looks like a ton of fun.
@@sammysammyson It can be. Like I said, sometimes it feels like you are at the edge. One card away from winning or losing. Frustrating for the opponent though
Really more this just proves why Delver is a card that should be banned. Wizards would never have the balls to do that though because it would destroy entire archetypes. Who would have thought that a one man and a 3/2 flyer would be pretty freaking good?
And now you are out of mana and two turns behind your opponent, with two creatures that lives like only one turn more. This card was not broken, tbh it was not even close to be called that. Foil printing made it look bad... but was it that bad tbh? At that time - maybe. But would it be "that" bad right now? Meanwhile we have black ancestral recall alive, that literally everyone plays. AND somehow it is fine.
Why are you caring about the next turn? bolt or shock the Delver now while he has no land on board. if he foils you again you are just killing his had and his counters. if he doesn't have more land because he made the spell heavy then he is screwed.
Ok so i get it you have early access to multiple turns of counters. That doesnt require you to tap for mana. Granted wouldnt limited the cards down to a single copy be enough to allow it existences since its in the case of your video only show it at being an issue if your able to consistency get it in opening few turns. And your able to play multiple follow up copies
@@silverliew0093 restricting card copies is only a philosophy for the vintage format. The vast majority of cards banned can be "restricted" in this sense but it's not clean to have an expansive restricted list, it's better to ban and not see it at all
@@silverliew0093 two things 1 only vintage has a restricted list cause of how they play that format. 2 this isn't yugioh, we have either banned or not banned here my friend.
Im not really sure what this was supposed to show. You nerfed your lands and didn't even make up for the card disadvantage of your foil. Your daze won't stop the next kill spell like it didn't stop the last?
... I still don't see why it's banned. Ok? You have a 3/2 and nothing else... the boros deck has 3 lands and can easily play 2-3 cards. The Delver deck will have 1 land. Wow. Unbeatable. In context, it's good... I guess.
One land is enough to cast all the counter spells to stop removal or buff spells, or bounce what ever bigger threat you attempt to stick. This deck literally never goes to more than two lands any ways. If you haven't seen competitive decks work off 1 or 2 lands then you're just a standard player.
Foil should have been banned instead of gush Gush only REALLY got broken when foil was downshifted Up until the it was only a two of in a few decks but single handedly made tireless a fun and viable deck Without gush tireless tribe is worthless
Every deck can have perfect scenario where you could win even on turn 1 for combo decks, so what ? You should ban all cards ? You just mentioned a perfect scenario to protect your delver, which will happen in less then 10% of the games, and nothing scary will happen if delver hits you few times.
To those who think daze is bad It isnt trust me Early game it can stop allot but even late game by tapping out you can get your opponent to potentially go all in with there mana meaning daze becomes instrumental
this decks was nuts. when we having a pauper 1v1 though 😉
Umm.....I'm kinda intrigued, let's run it ;)
You just got one thing wrong, augur of bolas always miss
the pain is real
And delver never flips
This is assuming that we are talking about me and not my opponent
In the decade that I have been playing Magic I have learned, sometimes the hard way, that when a card has an alternative casting cost it is almost always better than hard casting it.
Love these half sketches, half deck tech.
Haha appreciate it!
@@ThatMillGuyShaf Hey man! I love the sketch idea but is there any way the rules text would be able to fit on screen? It would really be helpful for newer players that don’t know what these cards might do by heart and help them get into MTG more.
What kind of not-new magic player looks at Gush and doesn't instantly think "LMAO, THAT'S BUSTED AF"
Me when I said “chrome mox doesn’t look good at all, like what is imprint?” Little did i know it was a very powerful card
Oh, draw 2?
Mana Value?
Nah, is free
"Tresaure cruise has a way to high Mana Value to be good!"
"You mean the ancestral recall that's banned in modern, legacy, pauper, restricted in Vintage, that costs 2 floopin pennies? Okay"
Returning lands to hand is only bad if you don’t have a way to use fodder cards in hand or things like foil that discard islands
Yeooop
I thought foil had to be a blue card and an island?
@@anaveragegamer3934 nope, the text is "Island and another card"
@@ThatMillGuyShaf wow I have been playing that wrong
And if those lands don't have any other effects. Would love those in a commander deck with mystic sanctuary.
mystic sanctuary, get counterspell back, gush bouncing mystic sanctuary, mystic sanctuary getting gush back... and so on
It was fun
And that's why it needs to come back!
You're a demonnnn
Awwww, thanks!😈
I try!👍🏾
ask your playgroup in non ranked games
My favorite part was when he said "It's gushing time!"
This would be true if it was possible for the delver to flip. When I play with delver i can go 3 turns in a row with no flip
One reason Brainstorm is so handy with Delver. Setup at instant speed, get the flip and off to the races.
That said no help to setup the flip will set you back some with Delver.
Ponder is also a great setup card with delver as well
See, in the sketch its your opponent so they always have it. I also, whiffed every time with auger unlike my opponent
"Now I'm gonna gush"
And after that make a giant zombie fish monster for 1 swamp.
Not to mention the beauty that is sorcery speed gush. It’s turn 3 and you don’t have a land drop, no worries, you can still get three mana, tap your islands, gush, play one of the islands you already tapped!!! This means that with gush plus all the cantrips you already play, you can play EVEN FEWER LANDS
I’m a huge delver fan, I’ve ran it in almost every format and multiple colors. I actually wrote a 42 page short novel book purely around delver of secrets. “The Fundamental Understanding and Practical Uses of Delver of Secrets”.
Cool I cast my second lightning bolt targeting delver
"I'll take the perfect hand, stack my deck and let you play a sub par deck with a shitty hand" is what you should have said
It's not even the perfect hand he used. If he would've got a ninja into play to draw / loot every attack, that'd be the perfect hand.
@@malte54 oh so he was one card short. . Gotcha
@@Murphthemick
Actually he missed way more cards. He played delver which is a bad card in those mono U decks, since you'd play a playset of both ninjas. So he didn't just miss out on those 2 ninjas, he also played a very bad 1 drop.
I picked this up in MTGO and then it got banned a month later :(
I truly love these videos!!! If not for you, I would never have known about the reason why some cards are banned.
Really really love this format of videos!!
*Laughs in seirra angel*
Somebody wrote an entire book on how to play Gush properly in many different situations. Crazy.
I feel like in a lot of these banned explained videos, you go over the decks Stone Cold nuts draws, I definitely think that this one was a little bit more down to earth and realistic
You kinda have to with the format, if I made these "videos" and not "shorts" I could flesh it out, but it's easier to walk through a combo deck when I have the nuts and can understand the salt
Getting rid of daze and gush took a format where the only competition was U delver, UB delver, and UR delver, and actually let other folks occasionally play other decks. I'm speaking from the perspective of a U delver player, even if I do miss it, it was still too powerful.
I also had a playset of gushes that I bought to play pauper about a week and a half before they got banned. Lol
I could've sworn gush was banned in part also because of Tireless Tribe. Draw 2 cards but amp your hand cards by 4 meaning tireless Tribe plus Gush plus Inside Out is just always lethal (Inside Out draws a card so replaces itself)
Love this type of video, I often have no idea why specific cards are banned
Love the format of the video but as a newish player idk what those cards do . Could u edit a way to post each card with there effects on the screen so I can pause n read them to know what’s going on
Not to mention the inside out combo in which Gush was overpower
I dont know why but the Cracked Islands just add more to the show 😂
No Magic player would call Gush weak . That thing is restricted in Vintage.
Well I play limited and it looked weak to me
In commander gush is actually pretty weak and overplayed. You have to be able to consistently get islands and 4/5 5 color decks really want all their colors, so even with triomes and duals it is an actual cost. Players often play it when they have to budget of a manabase to support it to. Mana is much more of a restriction in commander and card draw is super abundant with things like mystic remora, rystic study and almost every engine out there.
forgot the life off of windscar crag, huge misplay xD
And this is why you run horse shoe crab.
There’s a reason I run 4-8 red elemental/pyro blast in my red deck sideboards in pauper.
TIRELESS TRIBE COMBOOOOOO
This video made me gush
Actually right around when they were banning these is when we started seeing delverless delver...it would be much much worse to have these unbanned now.
Love it! now can we get Deathrite Shaman and Birthing Pod back too please!
Never heared anyone say daze was bad 😂
Even more fun when it had cloud of faeries
I like your videos, don't you happen to have a list of the blue deck somewhere or tips which decks in pauper are or were the strongest?
Nothing was as bad as temporal fissure back in the day
Also tireless tribe combo :)
can you do a video on why grape shot and tendrils of agony is banned in pauper?
Nah, this one's personal. I finally bought into pauper(mono blue). Like not even 1 month in and daze/gush get banned
Now that you don't have any islands in okay, I will shock the delver.
Maybe my knowledge on the format is outdated but is shock still common?
Good news, it's hard to outdate knowledge about eternal formats! Once a common, always a common. At least as far as pauper is concerned. While it's true that sometimes cards will get upshifted in rarity when they receive a reprint, a card is considered playable in pauper if it was EVER printed at common. My favorite is Armadillo Cloak, which was only printed in a set as a common during its first outing in Invasion. Even though it upshifted when it reappeared in Masters sets later on, it's still Pauper legal and perfect for Bogles.
God i miss daze xD
Yeah that deck was great.
Daze meta is way better than this turbo meta right now… artifact lands can’t get countered, mono red draws more than mono blue… and mono blue have bigger treats and cheaper treats than mono green. The format speed up way too much, with the only way to win being “do I have an answer for this right now? No? I lose. Yes? I win” . Pauper now is fucked up.
Love your videos. You based in Chicago by chance? I just got into pauper with two buddies of mine.
Going -2 to stop a bolt really doesn't feel like value to me
You two sound alike.
I have like 25 paper pauper decks, and I have a huge pile of banned cards that sit in shame, the pile of atog, prism, bonder, gush, daze, astrolab, mystic sanctuary, that's a THICC pile. I think all the ban in pauper are mostly ok.
The problem is foil, not daze
Where can I get that verbose Island?
it was a secret lair. No longer on sale. Have a look on your favorite single card market to try and get your hands on some.
It's a Secret Lair, one of my favorites so I had to use the art!
It's so out of place lmao I love it
bro the guy on the right is too cocky
Casting Foil on a turn 2 bolt is a a pretty bad play. Boros will often have another removal spell. leaving the delver player with 0 permanents. That matchup is favorable for Boros.
How did you get 5 mana after 2 turns or did I miss something?
Its amazing people still think Daze is ban worthy when its easy to play around
Don’t forget daze mystic sanctuary
Inside out died for the sins of delver.
The cards were perfectly fine until foil got downshifted, btw. Also they banned way too many cards from one deck all at the same time, though. It feels bad enough to have a card banned from your deck, but to lose 12 cards out of your deck on a single Monday… that makes you quit the format and never come back.
can you explain why Sundering Titan is banned?
What do you do if he bolted delver turn 1 tho?
Those who don't know what Gush and Daze does can check tournament results when they were legal and then the results after Foil was downshifted, then check tournaments afterwards when Gush and Daze was banned.
Just the average rankings show obvious results of how dominant blue was when Gush and Daze were legal. They should never leave the banlist.
No, it doesn't matter if "I always won against those decks", you don't make up majority and your personal winrate against those deck don't remove it's overall winrate and efficiency.
PS: @ThatMillGuy I honestly think that short vids are really bad when trying to explain how busted certain banned cards are in a format.
That's why I think they might do better in a longer, more detailed video where you can delve deeper in what they did and why they got banned and how warped a format became during their lifetime.
bro went -2 cards and -2 lands for one counter in a format with turn two wins
ain't that kinda mid or am I missing something?
I cried when they banned gush.
Want to see the answer. Play mono green. Also research, really research. THEN LOOK AT THE LANDS
Do an episode explaining why 'Bridge From Below' is banned in Modern...😆
I already did! Check some of my recent shorts
@@ThatMillGuyShaf I just want to go on record as saying, "BFB DIED FOR HOGAAK'S SINS!!!"
Isn't this mostly gush being the issue not the daze?
Yeah I’m confused too on how Dazed is the issue here
Daze was played around and then he still had a counter spell
@@Playingwithproxies okay... that still doesnt make daze the problem
Delver could have been destroyed on turn one if daze wasn’t a card in the opponents hand
@@Playingwithproxies ok? That’s no different than holding up any other counterspell. What does that have to do with Daze specifically to make it special?
But was the foil foil?
Mono Blue is really bad if you van play UB Delver with snuff out/gitaxian for free, too and play a Gurmag for one
Gimme your shades not included lands
Just outlast it like any strat against a blur counter cheese deck. Its not as good as it used to be since we have so much power creep, if he wasnt against an actual fast red deck he would loose to the speed
Daze is litterally legacy playable thar card is just nuts
Gush, Foil and Daze were all in a standard deck at one point lol.
And they were tier 2 because rebels doesn't care about countermagic
@@MaximumImpactGames lol how true. Fuck rebels lol.
@@craigstuckey319 brainstorm was too which makes it even funnier
How could you cast Augur of Bolas after you use Brainstorm while only having 1 mana?
I revealed the brainstorm to the delver trigger, I didn't cast it
@@ThatMillGuyShaf Ooooooohhhhh! I totally forgot what Delver do. Thanks for clarifying.
Well you didn't have 5 lands to gush
Daze shuold go eaven in legacy
This...seems like so much fun to play. Am I a monster? 😅
Play against it a few times.
@@ODDnanref I'm sick and like playing against control (and like playing it). Though this might be a bit too good at effectively locking out players for my tastes.
@@sammysammyson
This is not control, this is tempo. A variant of aggro where you stall enough so you 1-2 dudes kill your opponent.
Control, can out value it. Theoretically. If they survive long enough. Aggro can race it, if they get to resolve threats. Midrange will have issues until they can either outscale the threat or outvalue them. The problem is getting lucky enough to prevent them from getting one creature on board. Hence why most of their critter have evasion or are impossible to target. Delver is played with mongoose in legacy and follows the same principle.
This deck is fun to play because you are always walking the thin line. Living on the edge. One misstep and you might lose. Literally stealing moments until you win.
It is also why it gets frustrating because you literally blue ball your opponent from their win. Always at the edge, one card is the difference between them turning this whole thing around. It compounds on the feeling: "Of course they have exactly the card they need to protect themselves one more turn", "of course they drew the counter they needed". Control is a bit easier to play around because you know they usually do nothing till turn three or four. Aggro gets to wail at them and if they are fast enough control did nothing. Tempo literally races your typical aggro and wins by countering one creature so they deal one more damage per turn than their opponent, so they win at 5 life.
Fun to play, if you can get the balance right, it is thrilling match. It can just easily frustrate opponents because you blue ball them. Makes some of them feel that all the time they thought they were close to victory was just bull, or you personally playing with their feelings. When in fact it was that close. Or worse, they feel like they never got to play the entire game, and never realize they were one draw away from beating you but you drew that one counter spell with a hand full of land. So they never realize how close it got
They just experienced an entire game where everything was irrelevant or got countered.
@@ODDnanref I consider tempo to be a control variant as well as an aggro variant since it heavily incorporates aspects of both. Regardless, thanks for the info ☺️ Might pick up the list for casual play (with good rule zero talk). Never wanted to play the mono U tempo deck back around XLN/DOM standard, but this one looks like a ton of fun.
@@sammysammyson
It can be.
Like I said, sometimes it feels like you are at the edge. One card away from winning or losing.
Frustrating for the opponent though
Really more this just proves why Delver is a card that should be banned. Wizards would never have the balls to do that though because it would destroy entire archetypes. Who would have thought that a one man and a 3/2 flyer would be pretty freaking good?
And now you are out of mana and two turns behind your opponent, with two creatures that lives like only one turn more.
This card was not broken, tbh it was not even close to be called that. Foil printing made it look bad... but was it that bad tbh? At that time - maybe. But would it be "that" bad right now? Meanwhile we have black ancestral recall alive, that literally everyone plays.
AND somehow it is fine.
we are about to get a +5/+5 pump spell for one green in infect as well...
no clue how this is too good even if the single counterspell was """free"""
Why are you caring about the next turn?
bolt or shock the Delver now while he has no land on board. if he foils you again you are just killing his had and his counters. if he doesn't have more land because he made the spell heavy then he is screwed.
Sounds like regular magic to me
Ain’t no way homie said daze was trash 💀 shits blasphemy to say even if it’s from a fictional character who is meant to be always wrong
I’m I missing something ? Turn 2 or 3 and you can play a 5 cost instant ?
Look up the cards and you'll see that they have alternate casting costs that allow them to be casted for "free"!
Im legit confuse how blue play 4 cost mana on turn 2?
You may discard an Island and another card rather than pay this spells mana cost
Look up the card, the names for them are all there!
Ok so i get it you have early access to multiple turns of counters. That doesnt require you to tap for mana. Granted wouldnt limited the cards down to a single copy be enough to allow it existences since its in the case of your video only show it at being an issue if your able to consistency get it in opening few turns. And your able to play multiple follow up copies
@@silverliew0093 restricting card copies is only a philosophy for the vintage format. The vast majority of cards banned can be "restricted" in this sense but it's not clean to have an expansive restricted list, it's better to ban and not see it at all
@@silverliew0093 two things
1 only vintage has a restricted list cause of how they play that format.
2 this isn't yugioh, we have either banned or not banned here my friend.
yes but... just cause it was meta doesn't mean it should be banned...
Also there's enough removal to deal with the insect.
Im not really sure what this was supposed to show. You nerfed your lands and didn't even make up for the card disadvantage of your foil. Your daze won't stop the next kill spell like it didn't stop the last?
... I still don't see why it's banned. Ok? You have a 3/2 and nothing else... the boros deck has 3 lands and can easily play 2-3 cards. The Delver deck will have 1 land. Wow. Unbeatable.
In context, it's good... I guess.
One land is enough to cast all the counter spells to stop removal or buff spells, or bounce what ever bigger threat you attempt to stick. This deck literally never goes to more than two lands any ways. If you haven't seen competitive decks work off 1 or 2 lands then you're just a standard player.
Delver also took over modern......
????
@@sablesalt murktide deck is delver
yes thats why Daze needs to go in Legacy as well. It only protects BS
Instant draw 2 and counter without untapped lands is nuts, even if you are losing the islands.
Lies we all know delver won't flip till turn 4 at the earliest
Isn't counter magic fun? I sure am having fun.
Just use boil lmao distroy their lands
Edit: nvm boil was banned lol
Foil should have been banned instead of gush
Gush only REALLY got broken when foil was downshifted
Up until the it was only a two of in a few decks but single handedly made tireless a fun and viable deck
Without gush tireless tribe is worthless
Every deck can have perfect scenario where you could win even on turn 1 for combo decks, so what ? You should ban all cards ?
You just mentioned a perfect scenario to protect your delver, which will happen in less then 10% of the games, and nothing scary will happen if delver hits you few times.
Maybe it’s the Delver that needs to be banned…
He didn’t even look at the brain storm he pulled off the top he’s top tear cheating
To those who think daze is bad
It isnt trust me
Early game it can stop allot but even late game by tapping out you can get your opponent to potentially go all in with there mana meaning daze becomes instrumental
Shit gets old there's so many op combos everything should be legal
Get good
Oh stop
This is a 1 in 1000 game
Everyone knows delver never flips and wtf? An auger hit? I know you lying.
fake deliver never hits
I gotta say, pauper is mad boring