Redcat Gen7 High Steer Knuckles - Are they worth it?
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- čas přidán 28. 01. 2018
- Recently Redcat released a set of aluminum high steer knuckles for the Gen7. I installed a pair and measured the steering angles compared to my previous free/cheap upgrades. Are the new knuckles an improvement? Yes and no. Watch the video for the details!
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You can find these on Ebay for around $16.
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These are just the kind of videos I have been looking for very instructional for newbees.
Thanks keep the videos coming.
Nice over view of the new parts! Thanks!
Lots of good info in this video and your presentation/demonstration is really getting good. Keep up the vids.
Thanks dude!
Great video, you just saved me money :) i will stick to the free steering upgrades i have already completed thanks to your videos.
I put the high steering cv on my sport gen7 ...it helped my cwr 1ft sharper turning radius... i agree... it was worth the money
This was grate as I am getting my first croler and it's the gen 7 sport so yes I will get this up grade asap thanks keep on doing this you are the best I have seen yet
Thanks
Great video. I still opted for this upgrade. I think another great cheap upgrade is to change out the stock shock springs for a softer set. I got a set of the rs10 ones on order.
Good info, thanks for making this video!
Well done video great info
I got both, i have a stock gen 7 pro, and a all upgraded gen7 pro with high steering kit, I can honestly say it actually makes a huge difference, For the beginners/newbies wouldn't even notice, but I spend quite a few batteries on each and I can tell you after breaking many plastic c hubs the aluminum upgrades and steering upgrades are well worth it.
I was told a great tip for diy bearing press.
Its just a hex head bolt. Two washers and a nut. Not nyloc type.
Then put a washer on the bolt insert through bearing out the other side add the other washer and nut. Then crank it down slow and precise.
It works for any size just use washers to suit.
I wish there was a tip like it for removing encrusted blown out bearing races.
My best trick so far is if i can hammer a peice of cheap plastic handle through that will compress and snag the race on the way out.
They should think first and add a ledge to knock against really. Not smooth bore lol.
I dont know if you'd care but the light bars yellow colour.
You could buy some "car headlight film" smoke or black tinted.
That should break up the yellow dull it down. But still allow the light out.
Its like clear film with millions of black dots. So when powerd the dots fill with light.
Im not sure though how it would work but ide give it ago. The film is in all colours and works well for lots of things.
Thanks for the informative video. I just ordered a new Pro and the steering upgrade immediately for it as well. I'm curious to the amount of improvement over stock.
Compared to the bone stock steering, the high steer knuckles are a big improvement, but there's no useful gain beyond what I did in my earlier steering upgrade video. The kit will turn farther than my modified stock steering, but both are limited by how far the CV axles can turn.
I think that you are very nice engineer for RC~~~!!!Good!!👍👍👍
Good info. 👍😊👍
the only thing i see here which might help in the long run (no really in the the steering angle ) is on the the left side is it possible to run the bolt and nut the other way so the nut is facing down. the way it is set up here looks like with any kind of flex the tire side wall is going to hit the nut and possibly tear up the tire after time and also cause a tire binding issue.
I did exactly that shortly after I filmed the video. The plastic link and bolt head are smooth enough not to cause problems if there is some tire rub.
I was gonna buy this truck it's a good price I ended up getting rgt hsp scale crawler it was a lil cheaper but cool truck, nice vid 👍👍👍📹📹
That truck was on my short list too, but the shorter wheelbase and smaller drivetrain components swayed me to the Redcat. I still may pick up a Barrage or RGT at some point.
Budget RC yea go get it, very easy to modify, and loads of fun, I’ve got mine and it’s fantastic
should have put a drop of oil for snug bearings, also cuz 2dif types of metals, prevents future rusting & oxidizing, but props, you explain better than most i've been watching. been doing this since my rc10 in 1985 after my nikko rihno i upgraded.. lol almost indestructable even off second floor porch..
but remember, these are cheaper PLASTICS, already blew spur & poinion on pro mud/grass hole bogging.. lol only had it for 3months & upgrade pro with driveshafts & metal tranny gears, 2 main probs so far
this also useful for steering alignment. ... .. even for your REAL car/truck
I like the truck too, i usually ignor redcat and others but i think im ready to explore them. They seem to be better now too. I really liked the analysis quick check on paper trick. I will remeber that. Thanks.
This looks great from redcat.
Plus the big brands are getting bs now. Esp traxxas my fav. Old fav.
They've filed too many lawsuits against other brands now I'm out the traxxas camp.
Plus all of their other corperate bs, that sees us charged 2.3x more than anyone else.
A traxxas xmaxx costs $1.500 here in England. Or £1.100 im guessing $.
Its nuts. So i hope the next teir of brands have new trucks and big plans. They can cash in right now.
I just got mine today (3/14/19). I know this bid is a year old. I had all the steering pieces to upgrade it. But when I looked at the steering arm, it is different than what you had originally on yours. It is higher and the bar has a bow on it. So.....when did the Gen7 upgrade their steering arm? I haven't been able to find a vid with the new designed steering arm?
Yes, Redcat revised the Gen7 to come with a plastic version of their high steer knuckles. Because of this, you need to carefully set your steering dual rate on the controller because the high steer knuckles eliminated the mechanical stops that prevented the axles from binding. If you don't set the dual rate to limit the steering before the axles bind you'll break the chubs and/or the axles.
@@BudgetRC_Channel yeah, I seen/read about that. Gettin ready to order some cva axles. Ya put out some great vids. Thanks.
@@MrMacrun Did a minor adjustment on the dual rate... ..just got my new axles...
Where can I get those cv axles please let me know mine keeps breaking axles fron popping out and I've had to change the axles twice m8ne has the open cv's and they dontbturn good at all and I had to plastic weld the axles together bc the ends were always sliding off and breaking the bolt holes
You can get them right from Redcat or any Redcat dealer.
The steering angle system has a maximum ( minimum) steering angle of +0.52359878 (-0.52359878 ) radiant or +30 (-30 ) degree. Anything more will cause wheel jitters and cause the pins in the joints to bind and wear out faster.? Especially in a cvd system ✌
Agreed. Just past 30 degrees is where the CV axles start to bind slightly. I snuck 33 degrees out of it without any visible notchy behavior, but past that it gets pretty bad. Guys who don't set their end points right are already tearing up c-hubs with these knuckles.
Yea its seems no matter what truck I had steering binding has always been an issue. I have had the trx-4 scx10 ii and until you upgrade to some nice cvd's. Now I had more angle those trucks I mentioned are designed well but i see no reason you couldn't get these gen7's in there throwing it down with them (if) they do some type of upgrade with the steering besides the knuckles and axle shells.
From a steering perspective, all the Redcat needs is CV axles with more available angle, but you're still going to have interference with the shocks and lower links.
Yea hopefully they make the parts or another company steps up to the plate. I did my first local come series last year and the redact appeals to me because of the cost and the possibilities. Had an scx10 and trx-4 both great rigs but i felt like my money didn't stretch out long enough. Rig tires and servo your looking at a chunk of change. Pay extra for the pro or get the sport. The plastic lockers kinda concern me but im pretty sure my scx10 deadbolt has the same deal with the lockers.
So far Redcat has been great about developing and releasing parts, case in point these high steer knuckles. They also have a whole new portal axle set coming soon that promises 50+ degree steering.
I bought a new factory curved steering bar with correct ends but after I got it installed both front wheels now point outward \ / like the bar is too long? Do you need to replace other part as well?
I think the curved bar is designed to work with the high steer knuckles. If you have the standard knuckles, it might be too long.
@@BudgetRC_Channel I have the axial ends as well how did you get the black threaded bar out of the plastic ends. It just unscrewed from the silver bar but is tight in the stock plastic end. Cant seem to get it unthreaded
Hey there. Love your videos. I have the Everast Gen7 Pro and have been making changes to my truck based on your vids. In looking at what you did here I have a couple suggestions that might help. With the aluminum knuckles, flip flop the screws so the nuts are on the bottom now. The round screw head will be less likely to hit the tire. Also I would try moving the steering arm mount point underneath the knuckle mount point and over the cross arm if you get me. Just my 2 cents. I haven't picked up the aluminum knuckles yet but it's on my list.
After I shot the video and drove the truck, I saw that the nut was rubbing the tire, so I flipped the screw for the added tire clearance. The arm is doing fine up high, and it keeps it from hanging on obstacles. What's your reasoning for dropping it down?
In looking at how the knuckles are engineered, the mounting points for the steering arms is now up high. It almost looks like the ball joints should be mounted below the aluminum arm. It would give more clearance by the tire. With the longer servo horn, it looks like it might work.
I turned my screws upside down and mounted both links below. Works great and doesnt come close to rubbing the tires
Mine came with the steering kit built in from factory but I bought the aluminum steering knuckles and now my inner tire rubs like it does in your video (I know yours isn’t quite rubbing).. I can’t find wider hex hubs though. What should i do?
You can get wider hexes on Ebay. 5mm, 6mm, 7mm, etc.
Budget RC thanks! Do you know what size is factory?
Great video brother. Ordered these today. Any news on the portal axles?
Last I heard, they're delayed until May.
Budget RC ah ok. Do you have a link that i can read about them?
Not really. Most of the talk has been on Facebook, but I think there's a thread in the Redcat forum on RCC too.
Budget RC ok. Thanks buddy!
Portal axles are now available from Red Cat, last I checked.
I did the same upgrade but for some reason now my gen 7 doesn't want to turn right! Did I do something wrong or did my servo give up. I'm using the stock servo and link still. please help thank you!
Hard to tell without having the truck in front of me. Disconnect the servo from the steering link and see what happens. See if the steering is still bound up and see if the servo turns.
@@BudgetRC_Channel thanks!! I went off on what you told me. But while the steering link was disconnected to the servo. I recenter the servo then connected the link back up. Works great now 👍 thanks.
My servo link has female threads to attach the ends but the stock one has male threaded ends. Any suggestions?
Stock was female too, the set screws just tend to get stuck in the rods. You can just buy new set screws, or lock 2 nuts together on the set screw in order to get it out of the rod.
@@BudgetRC_Channel awesome thank you. I really appreciate it. Subscribing to your channel
I had good luck changing the 12mm hexes to wider ones. More wheel offset more clearance.
Yeah, I went slightly wider too. It allowed for a little more clearance around the shocks.
@@BudgetRC_Channel running 9mm now seems pretty good tempted to go wider but its a lot better with the shock spring rub .. crazy it went into production and no one caught this or saw it as a issue
I also notched my body to raise the bumpers get better angle climbing
@@michaelmacisco2566 it's all about trade offs. The original design offered poor steering angle, which kept the dogbone axles happy but limited the CV axles. High steer was designed to address that, but introduced new issues with breaking axles if servo end points weren't set correctly. Wider hexes would add even more stress to axles.
I HAVE THE GEN 7 PRO WITH THE 25KG SERVO UPGRADE,MY QUESTION IS ON THE STEERING HORN I MOUNTED THE SCREW TO BOTTOM HOLE,BUT FROM THE FRONT,YOU HAVE SAME SERVO HORN AND MOUNTED THE SCREW TO THE BOTTOM HOLE BUT COMING FROM THE BACK! DOES IT MATTER?? AM I WRONG??OR SHOULD I CHANGE IT TO HOW YOURS IS??
It doesn't really make a difference. I just put the link behind the arm to prevent it from getting hung up on obstacles.
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So am I seeing that the bottom hole is the way to go? Mine is still mounted on the center
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Subbed :) Can I ask a question? I noticed when you had the truck upside down and used a little throttle that your wheels were kind of wobbly. My front left wheel on my Gen7 Sport wobbles like that after only 3 runs, but it wobbles kind of a lot. Any suggestions on what to do about this? Or is it something that just happens with this truck? I've watched other videos and gathered that it could be the bearings etc. but when I take the wheel off and take off the hex everything looks ok. Thanks in advance and looking forward to more videos with the Gen7 :)
It's just the nature of the beast with crawlers. Soft tire + soft foam = tire wobble. Unless yours is severe, I wouldn't worry about it.
Thanks for the reply, btw, your channel is really cool. :)
Thanks!
how did you get the bearing out from original? I can't get mine out nor is there any instructions sadly. which makes 0 sense lol.
I just pushed it out from the back side with a screwdriver or most likely one of my hex drivers, since that's what I had nearby.
nevermind got that but went to take off the bar ends and the threads stayed but the end came off. so pretty much useless now anyways. lesson learned here get the cheaper plastic version comes preassembled and with everything needed instead of aluminum cost more and does not come with hardware needed. derpy decision.
@@MrTECHPRO2 that happened to me too. The set screws can be removed by tightening 2 M3 nuts together on the threads then turning the lower nut to back the set screw out.
@@BudgetRC_Channel I taped the threads and slapped vice grip on worked great and tape prevented threads from being damaged. got her installed now but you can tell with too much abuse and this much angle it can easily break things. turned the rate down but doing that basically renders it back to the same turning radius lol. I also had a metal servo arm but it's tad longer than stock and seemed to be throwing off the steering a bit. redcats stock horn is much smaller than most I've had. still great crawler it's out performed my trx4 bronco on numerous occasions and fraction of the cost I don't care as much about rolling down 20ft hill lol
@@MrTECHPRO2 the length of the servo arm in this type of steering system shouldn't matter at all except for altering the speed/torque ratio unless the angle to the knuckle becomes extreme. I like having a longer arm because cheap, powerful, slow servos are plentiful, so by using a longer arm I get faster steering at the expense if some torque.
i just got the latest version (pro) and they've corrected the steering issue with stock high steer knuckles
Sort of. Now everybody is breaking c-hubs instead of servos because nobody sets their end points when they get the truck.
lol ... it was the first thing i did ...out the the box it was set at 50% which severely limited it . dialed it up a bit and its perfect now . it atleast appears as though they are correcting and updating issues (or trying atleast )
Greg Gokee what do u mean? I just got mine and am new to crawlers.. what do I need to change?
@@zackcourtney5311 .... which version do you have ?
Greg Gokee Sport
How did you get the drag link screw out
Lefty loosy?
Once that black piece is off how about that screw that’s left
Oh, the grub screw! Yeah, that was a pain in the ass. I had to thread 2 nuts onto it, tighten them together, then loosen from the bottom nut.
Ok thanks I’ll try that
The best steering upgrade is the gen 8 axles.
I did that too. I'm underwhelmed with the suspension geometry of those axles in the Gen7, but the steering definitely is improved, though not by a lot. The upgraded stock axles turned well for very little cash.
Why not just do a rear steering setup ...switch channels to operate rear separately or together or just front ...
Because that's substantially more complicated and expensive. It requires another complete front axle assembly, another servo, and a different transmitter and receiver.
Well don't know what you did but my steering is like great,turns like a johndeer tracter
If you're happy with the stock steering then great. Most of us want a LOT sharper steering angle.
Just throw a scx10-ii or built gen one ax10 axle up front done
A stock SCX10 doesn't steer much better than a stock Gen7, and an upgraded SCX10 axle costs a hell of a lot more than these knuckles.
You know how I fixed mine the first DAY it came out. I bought TFL AXIAL SCX10 AXLES AND PROBLEM SOLVED.
THEN I BOUGHT JUST THE BPC LADDER BRACKETS BECAUSE EVERY TIME I UPGRADED MY GEN7 I WAS BUILDING ANOTHER GEN7.I HAVE LEARNED ALL14 OF MY CRAWLER'S ARE WRONG WITH SOMETHING ALWAYS AND CAN SIT MAD AND START DREMELING AWAY AND ACTING LIKE A FNG TWEAKER TO FIX A PROBLEM THAT EVENTUALLY THERE WILL BE ENOUGH PEOPLE THAT CRY ABOUT IT THE COMPANY ALWAYS UPGRADES. ALSO THERE IS A MAJOR COMPANY THAT I WONT NAME BUT IT RHYMES WITH MAXXIS AND MY SALES REP TELLS ME THAT THEY PURPOSELY PUT WEAK SPOTS IN THERE STUFF THEY HAVE 9 OTHER UPGRADE COMPANIES THEY WANT YOU TO BITCH SO EVERY OTHER WEEK RPM WILL RELEASE THERE'S THEN YOU MUST HAVE CNC PRETTY ALUMINUM SO STRC INTEGY AND BIG ONE VANQUISH AND THE MAIN ONE PROLINE HAVE THE MUST HAVES ARE ALL TRAXXAS. SO WHEN YOUR DONE FIXING ALL THESE PROBLEMS ON YOUR TRAX ASS YOU NOW JUST BOUGHT TWO SLASHES YOU HAVE A REALLY COOL LOOKING PROLINE SLASH AND A MASH SLASH I ONLY SAY SLASH BECAUSE TRUST ME THAT TRUCK MADE ALOT OF PEOPLE EXREMELY RICH! DO NOT GET ME WRONG I LOVE CUSTOM MASHING TRUCK'S BUT NOT WHEN THEY TRICK YOU INTO IT. IVE BEEN IN THIS RC GAME SINCE I WAS 16 AND NOW I'M 38 AND HAVE BEEN SPONCORED SINCE 04 BY 9 COMPANIES. ANYWAY I UPGRADE ITS LITERALLY MY NICKNAME FROM MY GRANDMA GAVE ME EVERYTHING I TOUCH IS MUST BE. MY JUST GOT MY FAVORITE 2 UPGRADES THUS FAR....LOL AND PERSONALIZING MY VEHICLES IS WHAT THIS HOBBY IS ABOUT. AS MUCH MONEY I PUT IN RC CARS, CRAWLER'S AND BOATS I COULD HAVE BOUGHT A WAR TORN COUNTRY AND REBUILT THAT NO LIE I PROBABLY OWN THE BEST ROCK CRAWLER EVER RIGHT IN FRONT ME. IT LITERALLY MAKES EVERY CRAWLER ON CZcams LOOK LIKE A NEW BRIGHT. IN MY OPINION AND MOST LIKELY IS. I TOOK THE BEST PARTS FROM EVERY ROCK CRAWLER SINCE THE AX10 SCORPIAN AND OF COURSE THE BEST OF EVERYTHING FROM EVERYONE. SO IF I DON'T LIKE THE SHOCKS THAT DAY I HAVE 14 OTHER PAIRS AND NOT EBAY SPECIALS IM TALKING RICH FROM RCN WILL ARGUABLY SAY THE PROLINES AND I WATCH MEDIC FROM RC ADVENTURES WOULD HAVE HIS BEST OPINION SO I END UP WITH $5,000 DOLLAR AXIALGEN7 PRO CUSTOM GMADE LOSI MST CFX-W WITH KING SHOCKS AND A XJ FRONT MOLDED INTO A 4RUNNER REAR PORTAL AXLE TRX4 AND NOW I HAVE MY WICKED MASH TRUCK. OH AND ALL THE OTHERS AS WELL SO IF I WANT TO GO TO AXIALFEST IT TAKES ME A YEAR TO BUILD A CRAWLER BECAUSE I LIVED IN TAHOE MY WHOLE LIFE AND LOVE RC AND CISCO GROVE IS MY OR TRUCKEE AREA IS MY SECOND HOME. ANYWAY I KINDA DRIFTED OFF INTO A PARTS LIST...LOL oh turning radius on the gen7 I think my point is if you pay 200.00 for a pretty awesome truck stop and wait to see who finds the problems and solutions and crys over 7 extra degrees of steering. Then go fix it like this guy while I'm enjoying the other 5 builds I have going on. I also own 4 real JEEPS and if you love them as much as me then you will end up with a 04 KJ WITH A JEEPIN BY AL'S 6" LIFTED AND EATON TRUETRACK LOCKED ON 37'S AND AND GO FOR REAL CRAWLING AGAINST SOME JACK ASS IN JK MALL CRAWLER COST 65 THOUSAND THEN CALLS MY LIBERTY NOT A REAL JEEP BUT 2 HOURS LATER AFTER I STOMP INTO THE ROCKY MTN'S I TOW HIM HOME CAUSE HE NEVER NEW THE FIRST RULE ABOUT CRAWLER'S. THAT HE WHO WAITS FOR THE RIGHT JEEP FOR 2 YEARS AND PLANS THE BUILD AND THE SECOND YOU GET IT LOCKERS, LOCKERS FIRST NOT A 10,000 DOLLAR LIFT AND WARN WINCH PRETYY BUMPER . GET A LIBERTY KJ PAY 4200 AND LOCKERS THEN EXTRA 17,000 DOLLAR'S IN GO STOMP EVERY XJ AND JK THAT CALLS YOU OUT BUT DIDN'T LOCK UP. OH BUT NOW I THINK MY LIBERTY IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE BADDEST JEEP'S IN UT WERE I CURRENTLY LIVE IN LOGAN CANYAN UT. I MARRIED MY BEST FRIEND GIRL AND BOUGHT 2 HOUSES ONE IN SACRAMENTO AND ONE IN LOGAN UTAH GETTING READY TO BUILD THE 1/8TH SCALE PRO TRACK AND INDOOR CLAY TRACK FOR WINTERS. I WILL OWN THE BEST TRACKS WITHIN 1,005 MILES. IM TAKING MY HOBBY TO ANOTHER LEVEL. AND OF COURSE A INDOOR COMP CRAWL. LOGAN HAS THE RECORD FOR THE COLDEST WINTER EVER AND NOTHING TO DO DURING WINTER BUT COME TO MY TRACK'S. I
AND PLAY I LOVE RC SO MUCH BUT ALSO LOVE MONEY AND I GOT TO GET SOME BACK FROM MY FIRST NITRO HOBBY TO OWNING AROUND $65,000 IN RC ADDICTION. THAT'S NOT WHAT IVE SPENT THAT CURANTLY HAVE. I FOUND 3 MAMBA X ESC SYSTEMS WITH ALL SLATE MOTOR'S NEVER OPENED TWO DAYS AGO. NOW THAT'S AN RC ADDICT. WOOOW! IF YOU MAKE IT HERE YOU CAN GET INTO MY TRACK FOR FREE WHERE I WILL HOLD THE NEXT REEDY NATIONAL...PEACE OUT AND STOP HATING OTHER BRANDS MASH UM AND ENJOY YOUR BIG BOY TOY.