Kubota BX Vs. John Deere 1-Series -Relief Valve Pressure, Loader Lift Capacity + Push/Pull Contest!!
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- čas přidán 11. 11. 2021
- #KubotaBX #JD1Series -Putting the Kubota BX 2370/2380 and the John Deere 1023E/1025R against one another Head-To-Head in a loader lift capacity Test, a Hydraulic Pressure Relive valve Test, and finally a Push/Pull contest!! -#Comparison #lifting #Pulling #Pushing
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Absolutely love your channel, as always, thanks for sharing!
Thanks Don I really appreciate it! Hopefully next time I can do this test in some pavement!
Best video ever. Thank you for sharing. I know this took a lot of time to put together. I get my BX this weekend.
Hey thanks Keith! That made me feel really good you saying that. These types of videos take a ton of time to setup and record, specially to get all the proper footage and angles so I’m glad to hear you enjoyed it! I plan to do this again this summer only on pavement this time instead of dirt! We will find out which is the stronger machine yet! Haha.
Congrats on your new BX btw, your gonna love it!
Love the Vids !
Thanks Mac! Hopefully I’ll have another for you guys next weekend 👍🏻
That was awesome👌
Thanks Dave, I thought you’d like it haha
Thanks for the advice on the battery alternators on my plow
No problem an, thought your name looked familiar in your other comment haha. Hopefully it helped you guys out. I found out the western V-plow I have at work ended up having a bad wiring hardness from the plow to the truck.. the hardness atrached to the truck is good but the harness on the plow side has a short in it after hours of diagnosing it. I ended up ordering a new hardness last week for it and it just came yesterday, cost us $110 which wasn’t too bad. But yah that’s how I stumbled across that video cuz I was having trouble of my own lol
Good comparison. This is why I don’t get into arguments about which color tractor is better. Everything is a compromise in life. Enjoy the journey - cheers
Thanks Bob, I agree, no point in arguing as both machines are great machines. All sub compacts have their advantages and disadvantages.. it’s all personal preference and I always tell people to buy a tractor based on how they feel in the seat and not based by the specs they are given. 👍🏻
Thanks for the time and effort on this challenge Biff. Not that I'm defending the Deere, but I think in the bucket push in 2 wheel drive, the BX may have been pushing pressure down on the Deere bucket as they pushed, lightning the Deere's rear tires. My son has a 1023e and he pulled my F350 out yesterday without spinning, as I was lightly stuck with my dump trailer attached on a wet grassy slope in a field.
Thanks for watching Ron. If you watch at the very beginning of the test where I first place the Kubota bucket inside of the Deere you can clearly see there was no down pressure being applied.. also If you watch when we back up after the first few tests you can see that the Kubota bucket slides out of the Deere bucket with out the Deere lifting back up in any way.. now when we turned around I do agree it seemed I may have had a beer slight down pressure on the Deere bucket with the bx.. but tho this would give an advantage to the BX in 2x4 it also woulda given an advantage to the Deere in the 4x4 test.. so I still feel it was pretty even and fair.. thanks for watching!
You can actually see the Kubota front tire off the ground on one of the push tests. That is why it was able to push the Deere so easy. I don’t think it was done on purpose, it was just the shape of the bucket caused it to slide inside the other bucket in a way that lifted the Kubota front end. The pull test was way more accurate and showed they’re about evenly matched. I own a Kubota BX23S, by the way.
Hey Biff, how you doin brother. Well, i think is was a close one between them both. Being they are so close in comparison, it comes down to who sells their brand cheaper. We bought a Kubota BX23s because john deere couldn`t even come close in the money deal in the end, for us. We tried to buy green paint again, first, but just couldn`t get the deal that Kubota gave us. Ever since we bought our BX23s back in 2017 brand new, it has not once disappointed us. I still own a JD that i bought new in 1989, we still use it today. No regrets on either tractor, they`ve BOTH been awesome. If i had to do it over again, it will always come down to the money in the deal. I would buy EITHER brand, i`m not brand loyal, its all about the money saved. Money saved means more implement`s for the tractor!
The deal breaker for me was the piss poor attitude of the JD salesman....the BX and JD 1 series spec'd out as close as possible the BX was cheaper by several thousand, and the SSQA on the BX that allows you to hook up to and skid steer attachments where the JD doesn't have that capability from the factory (yes there are adapters) for the cost it wouldn't make sense buying a non-SSQA tractor then paying more to get it adapted to SSQA....Either way, both machines are great, it honestly comes down to what you want to pay, the dealer location, the dealer, etc....if it weren't for the JD salesman's comment right off the bat I may have ended up with a JD...but his comment "You cannot afford one" before I even asked about cost was not only rude, but very unprofessional. Won't do business with a dealer that has salesman like that. I took advantage of Kubota's 0% financing...so obviously I can afford one, as I was able to easily qualify for their financing, and only have 2 years of payments left, 5 year loan, already have paid off 3 years of it, and almost through the 2 year balance already as well.
Great tests. I would be interested to see how they compare in filling a dump trailer or something similar. I have a 2380 and it does ok loading our tall dump but tend to put the brush guard against the trailer to get a decent evenish fill. Love the video's. Keep up the good work.
Thanks man, from what I can tell I think they would be very close in comparison to filling a dump trailer, the bx may have a slight advantage as the loader sits out slightly more Infront of the tractor but next time I do this comparison I’ll have to check that. Glad you enjoyed!
Fun video Mike.
Thanks Jason!
Was hoping you'd do this with the 2 seemingly equal tractors, nice to see why you do what you do
Thanks Cale, not the most scientific of tests but it wasn’t meant to be, was more to have a fun way to of comparing these two machines in a more real world scenario 👍🏻
Biff. Have you ever done a 3pt lift capacity test for the bx. I can't seem to find any on you tube focused on bx 3pt lift. Also be interesting with the higher psi on yours. Great videos man.
Cheers
That was cool, give some, take some.
They were both very close for sure! Thanks for watching 👍🏻
💥 During pulling in 4x4 your front right tire didn’t seem to stay spinning. Interesting. 🤔
Really enjoyed the comparison!!
*Keep on tractoring!*
They have an open differential in front so which ever tire that gets the most traction wont spin it would be cool if they had diff locks on front and rear but most tractors only have a rear locker
@@windzer your correct.. the Kubota BX may have just had some tougher ground on the right side wheel during the test which made the left side spin but the right side not as the right side appeared to be in less mud and more on sod.
Thanks for watching guys!
Edit: This is why I like to run a thicker front dif fluid than most, I don’t like the HST fluid in the front diff as it keeps it too open 👍🏻
That Bota is a beast Biff
Thanks Shawn, keep up the great work with your channel!
Hurray! WE WANTS MOAR MATT!!!!!!!
Lols this was an awesome vid guys, I can't wait to ask my dealer to push my KB up to 2,000 psi. Maybe they'll tell me no lol. I got 80lbs liquid and 240lbs in a weight box so 400lbs of total ballast. I think 2,000 psi is a comfortable place to be for that ballast.
Haha thanks Nick, your correct 2,000 psi would be pretty safe with that amount of ballast and the tractor would feel nice and stable as well. Glad you enjoyed. I’m assuming the dealer wouldn’t go passed 1900psi since that’s Kubotas spec but you could always ask and see.
@@BiffsEquipment ya, I think my dealer will do it but they'll tell me my warranty is out the door or something. Our family has dealt with them for years so some good trust there.
Do you think going to 2,000 psi would change how implements react like the snow blade, snowblower, and power broom? They all articulate and lift from the hydraulic pressure on the front k-connect. Would anything be very different in how they handle at 2,000 psi?
@@Vaessen13 The answer to your question Nick is no. The pressure increase will increase the hydraulic cylinder capacity but not increase the speed it reacts. Because Kubota uses a constant output pump, the higher the flow the faster the cylinder reacts.
Cool video! How do you increase the hydraulic pressure in the Kubota bx?
That was a fun video to watch. I think that both brands are great but I ended up buying a Kubota Bx because it was nearly $3000 more for the JD with nearly the same configuration. I do like the extra lift capacity that the JD has but I have seen far more twisted front ends and backhoes on the JD's than the Kubota's.
I would buy either brand. Just comes down to price.
I agree, John Deere is certainly more expensive specially when your buying it new, their parts are more expensive too I feel but both are great machines. The extra capacity of the Deere is nice if you can afford the extra cost. Thanks for watching!
@@BiffsEquipment who has better resale?
I know this an old video, but I just found you on you tube. I am a Kubota BX23 owner I have already learned things I did not know. Question. Where did you get the receiver hitch on the front of your Kubota? I want to put a small winch on the front.
I think now the difference is just the price good comparison there
You got it man, you hit the nail on the head, both are great machines it really comes down to the amount of money your willing to pay and also what kind of dealer support you have in your area. You can’t go wrong with either one of these machines! Thanks for watching and checking out my channel!
Awesome video. I’d like to compare my Branson to those. I do think the kabota might have been heavier due to the cab. Im sure that cab probably weighs a couple hundred lbs.
Thanks buddy! Yes I wish I had a Branson sub compact I could compare and do these tests with, or even the New Holland 25S or Mahindra Emax20.. all of those would make for a great comparison with the BX. As for the cab, the cab surprisingly doesn’t weigh much at all, I wish I had explained that in the video.. I can litterally lift the entire cab up myself if I wanted to and could prolly hold it with one hand to some extent.. it’s very light as it’s just super thin metal tubing for the frame and some plastic. The roof is plastic and weighs prolly 5lbs at best so I don’t think this had any affect on my comparison tho I do wish I woulda mentioned that in the video at the time. Thanks for watching!
For the Deere owners I wonder what a 1 series would lift at 2400 psi? Maybe I should change my CZcams name, or just get a b series bota haha
thanks for creating this video, I know it takes a lot of time to make one of these videos . I just picked up a used bx-25d. I noticed the hydraulic oil gets a little warm. and probably even warmer when you crank up that pressure. what's your take on adding an external hydraulic oil cooler? do you think there's room to add one?I believe that John Deere comes factory with a cooler
Thanks man I’m glad you enjoyed! Your correct the hydraulic oil does get really warm on the BX and increasing the pressure adds more resistance which makes the oil even warmer IMO. On big loader jobs or removing massive stumps I have had my hydraulic fluid so hot that I couldn’t touch my hydraulic cylinders lol. It’s def not something I really liked.. I always wanted to add a cooler as well and I do believe there is room to add one. Next time I work on my tractor I’ll look around and see if I can find a good spot for one and get back to you, I feel it would be a tremendous help in lowering the fluid temps and would help the pump/trans to last longer as well. Thanks for watching!
@@BiffsEquipment I was wondering this as well, but yep, there's really no place to easily install one without cobbling something together. That little plastic fan just doesn't provide enough cooling when you are really working the hydraulic system.
It's interesting to hear you speaking about hydraulic pump pressure and increasing it to 2400psi. My BX25D came with a pump output pressure of 1750. If I'm understanding you correctly, the JD comes from the factory with pump output pressure of 2400psi? If not what was the JD preset pressure?
BTW, Nice video as always!
Hey thanks for watching! So the hydraulic pressure stock on the Kubota Bx is suppose to be around between 1859-1950 but most people find when they check their pressures even on a brand new bx it’s only at 1650-1750 which is very low.. so increasing it back up to its factory spec will gain you quite a bit of free lift capacity.. the John Deere 1023e and 1025r have a stock pressure of around 1950psi as well (I believe).. so most would think “well if both machines have the same pressure then both should have the same lift capacity” this is wrong tho because the John deere 1 series stock can lift much more than a stock Kubota Bx.. and the reason for this (in my option) is because the John Deere 1 series has a loader design which keeps the loader much closer to the front of the tractor.. this in turn allows for more leverage.. where on the Kubota BX the front loader design keeps the loader much farther from the front of the machine limiting it’s lifting performance but increasing your eye sight on the front of the bucket when your working the machine (which I really like) so to counter this, and to get the exact same lift on a BX as a JD 1 series, I found that the BX needs its pressure to be set at 2400 to 2450 psi and then it will be able to lift just as much as any stock 1023e or 1025r.. also the 1 series has larger diameter hydraulic hoses on the FEL which may also be contributing to some of its better lift performance but I have no way of proving that. So in turn yes.. a Kubota bx CAN lift what a John deere 1 series can lift.. but it’s gonna take a lot more pressure to do so mainly because of the design differences in their loaders.. and doing so will put more Strain on the Kubotas hydraulic system and hydraulic pump.. and you’ll also need more rear ballast than a 1 series would need if doing so since the front of the loader sticks out farther than the Deere loader causing a larger offset between the front and rear weight. This being said I have 8x42lb weights on the back of my BX.. and the pressure has been set at or over 2400psi for about a year now and Iv had absolutely zero issues with my BX or it’s hydraulics.. tho I don’t recommend anyone doing what Iv done as it will push the machine beyond its factory specs.
I hope this clears things up for you! Thanks for watching 👍🏻
@@BiffsEquipment Thanks for the great reply!
Take a look at the 2wd push test - the JD is lifting the Kubota and transferring weight to the Kubota's rear wheels. Interesting!
The Kubota bucket inside the Deere bucket took weight off the rear and put it on yours.
It did look that way on the 2nd test after we turned them around but if you watch when we first started the test you can clearly see that I wasn’t putting any downforce on the Deere.. I only slid my bucket inside of the Deere bucket and tired to for every test we did. You can even see when we back up after the tests that the Deere did not lift up once my bucket came out proving there was no weight being applied by the Kubota. Tho I do agree in the 2nd test I may have had the Kubota bucket down a little too far.. this would have made the 4x4 work better tho on the Deere also so I still feel it was pretty fair. Thanks for watching!
it looked to me in two wheel you where pushing down on the front taking weight off the back of t JD
Nice comparison. Just wondering if you measured the loader cylinder diameters for comparison? Wondering if the JD s are larger.
I didn’t measure them but I can try and get a measurement for you sometime maybe next week. I think they are about the same in size honestly, Kubotas actually looked maybe a touch bigger but I’ll check and see next time I have the Deere over
I feel as if the Kubota bucket is going to always be pushing down slightly on the john deere bucket since it's inside of it.
Biff, did you add 2” spacers to the front axel as well as the back axel way back when? If so how is the BX handling it?
Hey Rich, no I only had 2” spacers in the rear, I never put any up front as having spacers in the front would only be good for looks as the front axle pivots it wouldn’t give any true benifit and because I liked the looks of just having spacers in the rear I never ended up adding any up front. Thanks for watching!
Not a far comparison. The kubota was putting weight on the front on the Deere causing the Deere rear to be lighter
The Kubota wasn’t putting weight on the Deere lol. It may have looked that way in the video but I can assure you it wasn’t. I made the test as fair as I possibly could giving what I had to work with at the time and short preparation for the video.. watch again and see when I put the bx bucket inside the Deere bucket, I never added down pressure, just simply slipped the bucket inside the Deere bucket and pushed.. now maybe there’s a chance that having the bx bucket on the inside of the Deere bucket may have somehow added some pressure when it pushed.. but this was the only way I could see even doing a push test.. if none the less it’s interesting to see.. and being that the Deere is not only wider and longer, it also had WAY better tired for grabbing in the dirt.. way taller lugs.. so a BX owner could just as easily say “this isn’t fair, the Deere has better tires” and it did.. but again I was using what I had, trying to make it as even as I knew how. Thanks for watching
They are both close.
I think ballast in the back vs over the seat helps the kabota in two wheel drive, not so much in 4.
Thanks Mike, you could abolsutly be right.. they were very even. I’d like to do another test with these two tractors if I can find the time before winter like I did last year. Thanks for watching!
Dang way to call out a heavy bor😏
Haha, that’s what I told him, I said, you sure you don’t care if I say that? He’s like nah I could care less 😂
Thanks for the entertainment. I bought a bx25D almost a year ago. Have you heard of anyone upping the hydraulic pressure on a backhoe machine? I do not think it would make a difference, but I was wondering if you have talked to anyone that did it. I have been enjoying all of your videos and learning as I go.
Hey Kevin, I know of people who have and it isn’t an issue. Increasing the hydraulic pressure only affects the front end loader and doesn’t change anything with the backhoe. The backhoe machine is the same machine only with a backhoe also so there would be no difference there either so you’ll be fine. Just make sure you have plenty of rear ballast to be safe. I have over 400lbs on the rear of my tractor. Thanks for watching, glad you enjoyed!
@@BiffsEquipment Thanks. I'll try it.
Did you do all your drone flying I bought a drone here a while back and it does nothing but eat cabinets I can’t keep it to go straight to go left or right upper down I might as well just sold $150 out in the yard but it’s kind of kind of fun to play with but I absolutely have no control of it😂
Yah I do all my own flying, the cheaper drones are certainly a lot harder to fly than the more expensive ones. I have a $1500 DJI that will fly itself when i need it and also has sensors on it so if I get too close to an object it will automatically stop like a tree branch or what have you. That being said I still crash it from time to time when I’m trying to get the perfect shot, Iv prolly crashed it 6 times and it still works perfect. DJI makes a tough drone
Did the bx have more rear ballast? Once the rear diff lock is in and the tractor is not moving front wheel drive won't do too much because the front diff is not locked. Bigger tractors can lock the front diff also.
Nope both machines were as evenly ballasted as possible. The BX had slightly more weight on the very back because I was a much lighter operator than the John Deere operator so that’s how I compensated to make it as fair as possible. The front diffs on smaller tractors are all unlocked as you said, it looked like the front axle wasn’t doing much but it was spinning on the side you didn’t see.. it will only spin on the side with most traction as it’s a limited slip setup on both these machines
Whey did you lower the kubota to 1900 psi? Is that the specification pressure? Each tractor is different in their relief settings.
I lowered the Bx to 1900psi since that is where they are speced to be.. typically they ship out from the dealer between 1800-1950, the John Deere ships out usually between 1900-2100 I think.. the JD stock pressure on my fathers was 1900 so I brought the Kubota to match it so it would be a fair lift comparison for both stock pressures.. then after I increased the pressure back to where I had it previously which I was pretty sure it would lift as much as the stock John Deere 1 series would
Let's have a Biff & Biff lift off lol
Haha at some point I’ll get him on the channel! We both work a lot so it’s been tough to hook up. Thanks for watching Todd 👍🏻
@@BiffsEquipment where do u work ? Some school ? Just wondering when u plowed with the new Holland
Had the kid on the Green tractor and slowed it down HAHA JK...Pretty close in speed as well between the 2 machines. Maybe you could shim the Hydrostatic transmission in the BX to go faster HAHA!!!
Haha, this is true! Lol. Both the Deere and the BX have adjustments for speed increases actually near the hydrostatic pedal under the floor so you actually could make them go a little faster if you wanted to. Thanks for watching!
Does the added pressure from the shims add to the driving of the wheels too? Or is that a different system
Hey Will, no increasing the hydraulic relief valve will only increase the pressure at the loader manifold, not at the steering, backhoe; or 3-point hitch. Thanks for watching!
@@BiffsEquipment I didn't think so just wasn't 100%. This was a great comparison
Good video. It's hard to do a valid push test when you have a bucket in a bucket.. I'm sure there was up and/or down pressure that wasn't accounted for causing weight distribution to change for both tractors. Just an observation.
Hey thanks Ron. I totally understand where your coming from, it’s very hard to make tests like these go 100% fair.. all you can do is try your best and see what happens sometimes. I agree that by putting one bucket inside the other that the weight distribution could easily change for one tractor over the other giving an advantage but when we did this we made sure not to put any down pressure or up pressure.. just simple placed one bucket inside the other and pushed.. I plan to do a part 2 to this video sometime tho and I hope to figure out a better way to do a push test .. like maybe putting a rubber tire between the two buckets or something like that. Thanks for your comment!
Hey brother! Thanks for the reply.. the push test is tricky for sure.. without breaking anything lol. Love the tire idea though. Nice thought!
Just subscribed btw.. I really appreciate the time taken to reply.
I restore the old 80's JD's. Got a basement full. 300 and 400 series. I do use a 2002, BX2200 (424hrs) for everything just FYI.. 😂
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Hope you been doing well Jeff! I see you updated your profile pic
I think the reason ya pushed the deere in 2wd an not 4wd is the weight differences. U u got extra weight back farther with the bx an the weights. That help 2wd traction not to mention the weight of the soft cab kit also so I think between that an the extra weights puts u above 120 lbs difference. An that explain why they matched even in 4wd.
Hey Thomas thanks for your comment. I totally understand what your saying. It’s incredibly hard to make two totally different machines match exactly in weight with out having proper ballast for both. I will say that the cab weighs almost nothing.. it was just the frame of the cab and it’s only made from very thin tube steel and vinyl for the most part.. I can lift the entire cab off myself if it wasn’t so awkward to do.. that’s how light it is.. so I don’t think that made much difference.
The weight being farther back in the Kubota certainly coulda made a difference.. which was why I left less weight in the rear of the Kubota than the overall weight it would be with my (heavy) friend on the Deere.. I tried to make it so that the Deere weighed more than the bx because I knew that the bx had its weigh farther back and I think I explained that in the intro before we got started. This being said though it may have still given a slight advantage to the bx.. BUT you gotta remember too that the John Deere also had taller and bigger lugs on its tires.. AND a wider wheel base.. AND a wider stance then the BX.. so in all reality they shoulda been pretty much even since the JD had all those things in its favor.
I plan to do another test like this over the summer .. only this time on blacktop instead of in the lawn.. and maybe we can play with the weights a bit too as we do it next time.
Thanks for watching!
I may even just strip all the ballast from both machines completely next time.. and only run the liquid ballast in the rear tires for both machines and put them up against one another that way.. I shoulda prolly did that in this video but instead tried to match their weights in ballast to fairness but in reality to be totally fair I should just strip all the weights from both machines so maybe I’ll do that next time.. the Deere 1 series is naturally quite a bit heavier in the rear though than a Kubota Bx is.. so I felt it would be more fair to try and ballast the two the same so we could eliminate the weight factor as what’s causing a machine to win or loose.. cuz we all know these tractors have more power then they can put to the ground.. so I feel that weighing both machines down evenly is the best way to put them up against one another.
What I really need is a scale to weigh each machine so I could make both machines 100% matching in weight.. THEN do these tests. Thad be cool
There’s a way to take off the forks without carrying them. No pinched fingers.
Correct, but in this video I wanted to show them being installed so people can see just how easy they go on and so people didn’t think i was doing any funny bussiess with it being a Tractor Vs. Tractor video.
Put the tractors on pavement or a concrete driveway, also.
Thanks Jerry, def would like to do this sometime this summer! Thanks for watching
Your boy need a planter on the rig....to be planting some salads