John Deere 3032E VS. Kubota L3301
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- Another competitive comparison explaining the differences between two rival machines.
The bars across the John Deere's bucket are for loaded demos.
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I know what you are referring to when you say Deere is struggling to find good talking points for the E tractor. Case in point, they spin the plastic hood as an advantage when rocks fall on it. No dings. That is a good spin that may work for some, not me. And the list goes on.
Your analysis was fair and honest and I agree 100%. That is why I own an L3800.
Rocks won't dent the plastic hood they just crack or shatter it instead LOL.
would like to see a comparison on KUBOTA M5-091 verse jd
Just got our B2301 to replace our BX2230 from 2004, and I love it even more than I loved the BX. It's a great machine. Engine has a really nice growl that the BX didn't have and it has so much more capacity as well. There are ups and downs to every machine, but I will always stand with Kubota.
Would it be possible to get a video outlining proper clutch usage on a DT model while using the loader and also operating on sloped terrain? Such as pushing into a pile on a incline? I understand the operation for say mowing or grading, but am curious to any tips or insights to loader/clutch simultaneous operation. No good info that I can find.
Thankyou
I'm surprised you didnt point out the dinky little tabs that the bucket attaches with on the top with the jd
I love your channel! Thanks for all the helpful information. We just purchased an acreage and I'm about to pull the trigger on a new Kubota B2601 but i worry it's too small. There isn't many videos on them. what are the chances of you doing one? Thanks!
+Sherwood330 more in the pipeline already
What is that on the bucket of the john deere?
I Purchased my last John Deere from a Kubota dealer. It has been a good piece of equipment. Compact tractor for my 7 acres. I’m considering a E series. The John Deere dealer is 30 minutes away the Kubota dealer is two hours. I think I’ll stick to JD.
I've had a 3036E for the last 8 years - I'd recommend it - its like a Swiss army knife...
If you have good dealer support then that is a good decision.
like Kabota product ! Definitely like the skidsteer coupler on the loader. Have seen the little pins break that hold the JD attachments in place.
I know prices change but mentioning prices might be an idea too.
Why do the john deere loaders in your videos always have a grate on the loader?
I have been waiting for someone to tell it honestly on how cheap the e series deeres are built. i really appreciate this video.
Thanks. You get the impression online sometimes that all tractors are equals. Clearly there are some on the market that underperform.
That video was done by Deere and is full of half truths. While I'm obviously a salesmen, I went out of my way to be objective. Is there something you disagree with?
Kris Knoedl that videois bad😂
The skid steer quick attach is an option for jd but you have to buy an adapter (note that kubota ssqa is also optional)
Neil, enjoy your videos. I've done a lot of comparisons myself and feel you give people an honest comparison so they can make an informed decision for themselves.
I have John Deere 4410 and I call it the plastic tractor. Looking at kabota L3901.
What model year were both these machines?
+HerLion11388 both are current production. There is no such thing as model years with tractors.
What is with the JD bucket having that cover over the bucket? I'll take my Grand L Kubota over a JD of similar size.
when doing demo's it keeps a test load from dumping out of the bucket.
I have just one question. Why are there bars across the loader bucket?
You can scoop dirt without letting large rocks in
I have owned both. Love my L3301
Where is your dealer located and do you have any b7510's
+Crf250x 4life Pennsylvania. No 7510's currently
I have a 1994 kubota purchased new. I first looked at jd and after the way I was treated while inquiring about one will keep me from ever owning one. Thanks to Somerville jd you probably done me a favor. There are 2 tractors I will consider and they both start with a K and are Orange
My Son was sitting at sales desk making a deal on a 3032E. I saw this video and immediately text him, saying simply- "run screaming, it has an aluminum backbone/trans/rear end, not iron or steel". My son now owns a Kubota L3901. Thanks for the facts!
The transmission,axle housings are castings. How can they have a t5 or t6 heat treat level? The tractors with the aluminum "backbones" have no backhoe attachments as a factory option.Wonder why?The point where the steel axle enters the rear housing has lots of stress under load. Built in weight is cheaper than buying add on weight to add traction and stability.
I love kubota, and I love Neil's videos, but this one always cracks me up
"Talking down on our competitors machines is not how we like to see business done...
SO! (slaps plastic hood) this absolute pile!"
He never said that while slapping the plastic hood.
@@nervousordo I'm aware, it's a joke about the general vibe of the video lol
Hey Neil, Does the L2501 use cast housings?
Yes.
Messick Farm Equipment thank you.
The D160 front end loader is rated for 977 lbs. there are many videos showing the 3032e moving a bale of hay.
Does the jd redesign change any of these issues? Why can the smaller framed jd (1025r and 2025r) run a backhoe but the 3e series can't? Don't they all have aluminum rear ends? Why would jd use aluminum vs cast iron----thought aluminum was more expensive. I'm really trying to decide between the 3025e and l2501 but between all the conflicting data I don't know which one is best for me. Yes I've gone and looked at both. The jd seems nice with electronic pto engagement and huge dealer network near me. The 2501 seemed like it had much beefier front axle and I like the idea of being able to add a backhoe if I ever wanted. Thanks
Nothing has been redesigned that you know of. The 3e has a lot of weirdness about it. It's more like a Kubota B-series with larger tires see b3350su. The STD l is alot more stout.
Messick Farm Equipment thank you for the response. Can you explain why the smaller 1r and 2r jd tractors can run a backhoe but the 3e can't? Don't they all have aluminum rear ends?
@@masonb4582 Just the way that JD wants to sell stuff is all. Probably most people buying a 1 or 2 series wanna play tractor on the weekends and want all the fancy add-on stuff they'll use once or twice in their lifetime so they package stuff to be put on certain well selling models...like Kubota does with the BX23S...the only sub-compact Kubota that can have a backhoe from the factory...not that the BX1880, or the BX2680 honestly couldn't its just that Kubota overall sells far more of the BX2380 tractors so they designed it to be the backhoe model because its their highest selling BX model, so they use it as a sales tactic...hey we sell a lot of these BX2380's so you can buy the BX23s and be cool with the neighbors and friends because you got a backhoe type thing. You can have a backhoe installed on the B-Series as well but seems less common.
Can you do a comparison for the M5-091.
I would, but we don't have any competitive models around. I can only do these are we have tractors float though.
Mabe you could do video on M5-091 open station and options. There is just not anything out there. Thanks.
Neil could we see an overview video on the M6 Kubota. I have not seen any dealer do that yet.
I'm sure the John Deere warning about lifting logs or round bales of hay is not about the weight, but the fact that it could ROLL OVER THE OPERATOR!
More likely due to the fact that after it rolls off the bucket and down the loader arms, it'll destroy their cheap plastic hood LOL. They don't care if it kills the operator, they just don't want that plastic hood damaged.
I have a L3901 with the quick coupler, but I can tell you that it is not standard equipment. Half of the L-series that I looked at DID NOT have them. Some dealers none of their tractors had them, some dealers all their tractors had them, then others would have them on about 30% or their tractors. It just depends on how the dealer orders his stock. When looking at tractors I looked at a John Deere and while it might be an OK tractor mechanically it just felt "cheap" when I was operating it. SO MUCH PLASTIC. Felt like I was on a Walmart riding mower. What really stayed with me is that "glove" compartment on top of the fender. It would not close because it was twisted askew on a brand new tractor. In the end it came down between a NH Workmaster or a Kubota L-series. Really liked both of them. Tough choice. Bought the Kubota because there was a dealership in less than 10 miles away. Two days after I made the deal, I found out a NH dealer was opening the next week 3 miles from my house and the owner was my brother-in-law's next door neighbor and they had gone to high school together. Glad I did not know before hand. I had a hard enough time deciding already.
be nice to see a 80-100 hp tractor comparison
I have a problem with my lx188 riding mower.
The engine turns on fine and it stays on, however whenever i pull the mowing button the mowing deck doesny turn on at all. And i have no idea ehat to look for or how to fix it. Can someone help
Neal nice job, I really have enjoyed your videos and have learned a lot. I must say I have been looking at both the standard L series and the 3E series. As a John Deere owner (several times over) the 3E series is a major disappointment. The standard L is just more tractor. Thanks for doing a true fair comparison. I watched John Deere's marketing video .......wow. I can't get over all the shady marketing! Makes a guy like me think a lot less of an organization that's using tricks or smoke and mirrors. Take away the marketing wank and the 3E can't stand with the standard L in regards to work. Those are the facts folks. Neal is being honest here. If I lived closer I would purchase from Him just because he is a straight shooter.
My option was a John Deere 3e or Kubota L and i went with the Kubota.
The Kubota is a way better of a machine
I love my JD 3032e! Would I love that nice Kubota next to it better? Probably, but I'm sure I would hate making that much larger payment each month. I, for one, will always buy a tractor that will do what I need .... at a price I can afford to pay.
The kubota is not any more expensive
@@MessicksEquip Actually. It was. With the JD I was able to get the 3032e with quick attach bucket and forks with no money down and 0% interest with a payment of $250. The Kubota was almost $400/mo and interest on the loan (I don't recall the rate). Believe me, I liked the Kubota features better, but for my use it wasn't worth the payment hit.
We would have to take a look at that. Kubota has been running $199mo on the next model down, the L2501 for awhile. Lots of little details when looking at things on a payment basis.
@@MessicksEquip Well, I wish you guys were in Michigan. Because I would definitely look into a trade. Although I wouldn't want to go down any in power since I'm already tending to over-work this one.
@@MessicksEquip so you're gonna compare an emission-less 25hp model with an emission 32hp model? I wonder why that is. why avoid talking about the L3301's cost - since you said it's not any more expensive?
I absolutely LOVE my Kubota!
3 dB is double the energy not 10. it is actually 3.0103 dB but is commonly rounded to 3 dB
Indeed, every 3db is a doubling....Deere 3x as loud? Regardless at 90db hearing protection should be on.
At this size you might as well buy and old tractor for half the price and probably last twice as long
That's exactly what I did.
@@johnnyturbo8460 Red Belly Ford? Remember my dad's first tractor. John Deere MT.
I got an early 90s kubota l2650 with loader in a trade. it has 220 hours and had an enormous amount of rust, it worked out nicely though. does everything i ask of it
I do happen to love mfg. talking points lol
I have three john deer and love them 425 455 855 like all compact tractors they are toys my work tractors are 80 to 100 hp
Cool, but take that 100hp beast through yard full of trees and remove debris that can't be humped into a lawn trailer. With or without a loader and blade. The 3 series won't pull a five or seven point plow either. The compact tractor is an estate model, not a farmer's delight.
The L series are for clean up / mowing at close quarters, trail maint, many can pull into barns w/ ease. You're not going to replace an 80+ horse machine at 3.5+ tons with an L series machine. Maybe a larger grand L will give it a run for the money. My 3800 has 30hp @ the pto and will run a 6' tiller eating through clay and rock without any fuss.
There are some disingenuous comments in this video. I want to comment on one.
He said the Kubota will accept all skid steer attachments and the JD won’t because it is proprietary. That is not really true. The Kubota can mount their bucket without the skid steer adapter. It is proprietary just like John Deere. Kubota sells the skid steer quick attach adapter as an add on for about $800. It does NOT come with the base tractor. You can also get a skid steer quick attach bracket for the JD so you can use any skid steer attachment for it too. So this is really not a fair and balanced opinion.
That said the JD 3 series does weigh about 1000 pounds less and the aluminum transmission removes weight where the front end loader needs it, in the rear. This really does mean the JD 3 series cannot lift as much as the Kubota L series. He is accurate in saying the 3 series front axle is lighter duty than the Kubota L series.
That said to me the 4 series JD is closer to the L series than the 3. They weigh about the same and comparing the JD 4 series 40 hp to the L series 39 hp are very comparable.
The SSL coupler is standard equipment on the loader packaging that typically sold on these tractors. It is true that you can order a pin-on bucket that would not be SSL compatible. The coupler though is half the price you mentioned.
If you run though the build-and-price tool on Deere's website, you will find that an skid steer compatible coupler is not an option.
Messick Farm Equipment I was just at 2 Kubota dealerships getting a quote on a L3901HST, one quite didn’t have the quick adapter and the other did but it raised the price of the loader $800. He said it is $800 extra. Yes it is included in one price but not the other. That is splitting hairs.
As for the John Deere I thought I said John Deere didn’t sell the adapter but there are several other companies that make them. That is bad on JD for not doing it themselves.
Don’t get me wrong, the Kubota L series is better than the JD 3 series. We decided to get one for the farm. My only point was what you said isn’t exactly accurate. The Kubota without the adapter is just as proprietary as JD is. Maybe at your company they decided not to to even list the loader without the adapter but I can tell you the 2 larger tractor stores I went to do.
Jeff Herndon If you check kubotas build and price tool you can see the cost difference. I'd encourage you to point this out to your dealer. It's not near $800.
Dude my Q/A loader option was way less and I'm commenting a year later. Might wanna talk to that dealer bud.
Nice video with some very obvious points being made to show the big difference between two 3 series tractors. The thing is I wanna see you compare the Kubota M8 211 against a John Deere and I'm curious as to what tractor you would actually choose if you could make this comparison. You made a video about the M7 171 making claims that Kubota has always been on the light side and now with the M7 and M8 Kubota is toe to toe with Deere, CNH, Massey, AGCO. Well, maybe they are comparing the M8 to the competitors equivalent tractor. The Kubota M8 211 could be compared to the JD 6215-6230r by weight, loader lift and height, hydraulic GPM. But a John Deere 8410r, case 380 magnum and especially Challenger 1000 is way out of Kubotas league. Yes they have moved further into the agricultural field but are still on the smaller operations and work applications. Your not going to see a Kubota M8 211 on a big crop farm dragging a 34ft wishek disc across the ground because it's in no danger of having the weight or power to perform that task. So until it does I guess I'm confused how they stand toe to toe?
The bucket warning is common among front end type loaders. It has nothing to do with capacity. It is a safety warning. Large round objects are more likely to roll out of the bucket when in that elevated position and crush the operator. The size of the axel doesn't necessarily make it stronger. Seems like a bunch of BS or someone doesn't know what their talking about.
No kidding. We live in the day of having warning labels of shampoo... Hell, my 18ft travel trailer came with about 30 warning labels... I'd love to take a fine tooth comb and look at all of the warning labels that come on a kubota... heh.
That's correct. Its common sense not to lift a round bale in bucket - use a spike or at the very least pallet tines......
I didn't hear any price comparisons. What you get for how much is what matters. I get the feeling the kubota is more. I'll check myself.
I’ve been shopping both. The Deere was more.
@@Horsepower_Stables You must have a terrible JD dealer, because online, the Kubota is a solid $2500 more.
@@Ethan-ck6iz I've been cross shopping them too, the Kubotas are typically a few thousand more. I can pick up a 3025e with loader for 18k. For 18k at a kubota dealer you're lucky to get a BX.
L2501 is the equivalent. You'll find its priced the same, but is far more tractor.
Messick's so where is that on your site? All I see is a get quote button. You claim it's priced the same but you don't offer the price on your site. Imagine if Amazon had a shitty "give me your email phone number name address shoe size blood type and dna sample" button to give you prices on their products... While claiming they're priced the same as the competition. This is one of the few prices I found online, it's $1640 more than the 3025e, and another 500 for the QA bucket... www.scholtensequipment.com/New-Inventory-2019-Kubota-L2501-4WD-HST-Lynden-Washington-1538814
I have noticed in all your videos, you prefer a Kubota every time. You a Kubota dealer huh?
Yup, did you take a look at the channel?
I am very careful to stick to black and white realities, and not wander into manufacturer talking points. These competitive videos can go to crap really quick.
@@MessicksEquip Yes they can....!!!
why doesnt any one talk abot the fact that kubata can kurl up higher what i mean with it is like when you like maybe try to pri frozen logs with palletforks or something like that that maybe couple inches make a world of difference
A 3032e is more like a B series Kubota like the B3300Su
Dead on.
Just when I decided to buy a Deere...... now I’m back to researching
L3301? Isn't this the model that's famous nationwide for eating emissions systems repeatedly and spending more time in the shop than in the field?
No, that's the 3350
I don’t like the fact that he’s trying to act like these tractors are goin to be used for full time farming
These tractors are for small jobs and small farms/ranches
I own 3 John deers and 2 of them are over 100 horse power and my other tractor is a 30 hp
I’m not goin to try to move a 1500 pound round bale with a tractor that is rated for 800 pounds
You are not the typical customer for one of these machines at all. Most people are first time buyers and this is their only tractor.
True, but the problem is that most of the folks looking at this size tractor have little or no experience in real ag applications, or even tractors at all, and probably wouldn't know that. Hence the warning labels, lol. ( because someone's lack of experience or common sense could easily lead to Deere being sued. At least now they can say it says right on the loader not to do that, lol) Like you, I'd be thinking long and hard before attempting to lift/move something really big and heavy with a mini tractor like this... Then I'd go and use the proper tool for the job. A bucket full of mulch, gravel etc- definitely. a big round bale? No way.
You say you are not trying to say bad things about other companies
Um, the JD does come with a quick attach loader system. And you don't have to get out of the seat to use it. Unlike the Kabota, you have to get off the tractor to physically lower the support arms.
No sir it does not. This model is only offered with a non-removable loader.
i have both these and the John deer is very tough as Kubota ...where the JD will work circles around the KU..and your comparing a larger price tractor to a commonalty tractor...look at the prices...between them..we bail with a ford and rake with Kubota.. yet run cutter with John deer.. all of them are different ..in price ...
I'd have another 3036E i a heartbeat
Kubota are a real competitor of John Deere , even in 130 hp tractor !!! kubota have very nice cab.Just for you information the label with the round ball are also present on a john deere with 100 hp , this if for security of driver for prevent accident because the ball can roll on tractor seat.
so true i seen that ...
The sticker concerning the bales are yes for the people who lift round bales incorrectly and they roll down the boom and onto you. Just safety.
You are absolutely right. My neighbor was found dead on his JD with a round bale in his lap. The warning stickers don't have anything to do with the capacity of the front axle. Big bales (round or square) can easily fall backwards and end up in your lap, killing you quickly if not instantly. Not good. Those stickers are to save a careless dumbasses life! That said, the L is still the far better machine. They ought to have the warning stickers as well.
I HATE plastic. Hence why I went with Kubota (along with some other things)
It clearly said on that loader no round bales in a bucket not on a hay fork. You wanna know why cause hauling a bale in a bucket will get you killed.
But it sounds better if you tell people it's because of the axle... lol.
I can believe Deere still puts the dam key on the dash were your knee breaks the key off!
Aluminum transmission on the John Deere.. really ?
Yes go to your Deere dealer and try and to stick a magnet on the transmission housing of a 3000E series.
Why not automakers are building engines, transmissions and bodies out of aluminum. May as well build the axles on your tractor out of aluminum too. At least when it fails you can get a few bucks from the scrap aluminum LOL.
Ya the JD really looks cheap. Did quality go down? I remember it used to be the go to tractor.
Shut up! It’s not like a Mahindra
@@chasetemple3129 lmao wtf
YES! JD is not nearly the quality it was 30 years ago.
It is unfair because this is one of oldest John deer compact tractors
It's an old Kubota as well, both still sold today.
When you measured the decibels you let the John Deere spool up but you did not let the kubota spool up therefore the John Deere was going to be louder. Correct me if I’m wrong tho because I don’t want to make invalid points here. And also I would want a louder machine because to me louder means more powerful.
I do these test multiple times, and then shoot the video. I'd stand by the results.
Messick Farm Equipment ok good I’m not hating on you guys I just thought I would get some clarification on that sorry if I came across rude. By the way i love the videos
Hindi me
8:20 ....if you knew anything about it, you would know that 3dB is double, although most humans will not detect "twice as loud" until around 9 or 10dB difference...either way, 6dB is a chitload of difference
Great video showing actual facts. Not necessary for me though because Kubota sells itself. Good job Messick's.
Fair comparison-your not fooling anyone!
What do you feel was unfair?
Well for starters, much of what you talked about were your individual preferences one vs the other. (and yes, you put a handy disclaimer in about everyone getting use to one thing or another) Getting pedals mixed up from driving a tractor to driving a car for example. Sorry that is a problem for you, I've never once had an issue with it! Personal preferences have no place in a comparison video.
@@brendanomara339 Totally agree - the bit about round bales in loader buckets did it for me.....
of course the loader comes off. its just not quick tach like the 3r. get your facts straight
facts are straight. The loader is fixed to the tractor and does not come off. The bucket can, the loader arms can not.
I own a john deere 3 series and yes the loader does come off
3R series would come with a removable loader, 3E does not. I do believe you can pay to put the removable loader sockets on the E-series, but its a several hundred dollar option. If you simply look at the tractor in the video, you can clearly see the loader is not removable.
@@MessicksEquip You mean "several hundred dollar option" like the skid steer style bucket is on the kubota?
Your missing the question. This refers to the loaders boom, not the bucket.
You do realize that you are comparing Deeres economy model to a top of the line Kubota. Compare a 3R!
+That farming Kid this is kubotas economy model. It's the STANDARD l-series.
If you catch at the beginning of the video, I agree that this is not a fair fight. HOWEVER both Kubota and Deere line these models up against each other. This is not our selection. Your also getting your models wrong.
The 'Standard' L-series compares to the 'E' series Deere tractors, the 'Grand' L-series compares to the R-series as its a more deluxe tractor. If you where really trying to be as apples to apples as possible the best comparison to a 3032E is really a B-series Kubota, mostly a B3350SU. This is a bit of an odd ball though, as its about as expensive as a standard L and so not very popular.
Well, I'm not THAT experienced with Kubota but it does seem to be a bit of an oddball. We each have our reasons. But the other guy in the thread is good too. Thanks.
Your correct the L2501 - L3901 are all on the same frame, and thus share the same loader. Kubota has gotten away from artificially limiting loader capacities... 1 frame = 1 loader throughout the product line. We have many customers who move round bales with them, certainly not high moisture 5x6's.
Farmer Connor no, the grand l60 is kubotas top model not this model this is apples to apples
Silly. Silly points. The front axle will not break. If your loader can pick it up, and your tires hold up, then you front axle will hold up. Your axle will still be perfectly fine long after your tires burst, or you loader refuses to pick it up due to its weight. Like I said. Silly points.
Truth is, if you check around you'll find front axle repairs are one of the most common repairs you'll do on a small tractor. The seals in the joint at the drop box go, this why most people run 80w oil.. it prevents leaks.
Messick's that I didn’t know. Seems like they would make bearings and seals heavy enough to deal with the toughest loads. I guess some form of dealer repairs are engineered into to design! Sure seems that way.
Competition has driven loader specs up and up and up, but pricing has not moved up to allow for heavier axles. We're expecting too much from these small machines.
Lol!!!!!!!
"We never like to talk down other competitors " ......
That's a laugh!!!!!
I've NEVER watched a video where this guy HASN'T talked down JD.....
Never said I would not talk them down, I would not resort to half truths
Hindi
jhondeer is better
Kenneth Bottoms kubota is better because my friend owns a John Deere and the tractor runs like crap and doesn't have any power.my kubota has power and is more reliable and runs nice
Deere all the way
eddie bowens kubota is better
@@zachzimmerman7076 john the don
I told my brother John Deere and he said yuck LOL XD
That was a waste of 9.12 minutes.
You must love plastic hoods. 🤣
John Deere bad
I just want you to know that John Deere is crap because my friend has a John Deere and it runs like crap and has no power. My kubota I had for about 10 years and my friends John Deere he only had for 3 years and runs likes crap.