John Deere 3e Series vs Kubota L Series! All The Features! UNBIASED OPINION! John Deere vs Kubota
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- John Deere vs Kubota or Kubota vs John Deere. The Kubota L Series tractors vs John Deere 3e Series tractors are featured in this video and you'll hopefully get a good overview (not all inclusive). Compare the features, see the differences, measure loader lift heights, check out loader capacities, tire sizes, backhoe compatibility, treadle pedal vs side by side pedals, tie rod locations, and more!
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Finally found a straightforward, unbiased review, thank you!!! All the pissing matches between the companies and their dealers gets a little old!
The Kubota dealer I bought my tractor from had very high regards for the larger JD tractors. He said," Once you go above a certain horsepower, JD beats Kubota."
Great video. Greatly appreciated as I compare features across so many brands
I didn’t like the pedals on the Kubota either but after buying one and using it I have found out that it was not a issue like I had suspected.
Yeah, I think it would help if I only used the treadle. However, when customers come my way, it's the #1 turnoff and complaint they have about Kubota. Great tractors all around though, JD definitely isn't perfect either.
Recently I test drove a Kubota B3010 with hydrostatic transmission. The treadle peddle was quite good. I liked it. My Iseki mower has two peddle hydrostatic controls. I think I prefer the treadle peddle.
Only problem is trying to brake right wheel or left wheel for tight radius turns while maintaining motion on the treadle. I believe the arrangement has been switched on 2022 models possibly because of that.
My experience only here, but I was set on buying a 3025e, but the dealer's locations were 26 miles either way out my driveway, and owned by the same owner. Kubota was 4 miles. My friend talked me into going to kubota and getting a quote, just to keep John Deere honest. So I walk into the Kubota dealer and said, "I'm on my way to buy a 3025e, it's your job to talk me out of it, good luck. " he pointed out many of the things you pointed out. The front axle diameter is a huge difference as kubota's is almost twice as thick, and the front tires pivot like on a road grader, which help on hills and tight turning radius. Kubota told me NOT to fill my rear tires with fluid, but to use a good rear attachment for weight, John Deere insisted I buy rear tire fluid otherwise there isn't enough weight to counter, (due to the aluminum rear end). He also said it's quite expensive. The kubota had a 66" bucket which is a heavy duty bucket that came with the quick attach front end. The diff lock on the John Deere couldn't be explained as to how it worked, or indicate when or if it's engaged. (Possibly salesman not too knowledgeable on their product, as the dealers seem more geared to large farm tractors around my home. ) I liked the longer loader joystick on the kubota, but yes, it hinders getting on from the right side. I added the right fender handle at its nice on hills and pushing myself up off the seat. This and the horses$@t threaded pins on the rops are my big complaint about my kubota. I added a nice crank handle system without changing the pins so it's easy to change the pin location to get in my 7ft garage. Also the Kubota has a 10 gallon fuel tank, J D. is around 6-7 gallons. Hydraulic cylinders are larger diameter on the Kubota, vs the 3025e.
I also have hills on my property, and that longer bucket sure comes in handy pushing my snow back and away without my tractor having to leave the level ground.
Here's the big deal to me, and should be a major factor in choosing a tractor. The dealer.
Apples to apples, Kubota came in cheaper. He asked me to give him a chance to sharpen his pencil, the John Deere dealer came in quite higher, way higher than John Deere's advertised price, and I called both John deere dealers, but like I said, they're the same owner, and when I questioned them on their high price, they said "John Deere dealers are allowed to set their own pricing, the advertised prices are just a manufacturer's suggested price. They would not budge, Kubota actually lowered their already lower price by $400. There is a difference dealer to dealer, and my local John Deere dealers made it clear that they're "more geared to large farm equipment. "
So to my surprise, I went with the l2501 over the 3025e. I am very pleased, and have many videos of it being used.
The treadle pedal works fine with my size 16 boots, I like when I'm turned to my right, my body natural turns that way and the heal press is comfortable while watching behind me.
My father and a good friend have various John Deere's and I cannot argue they are a great tractor. Heck, I wanted one, but the l2501 vs the 3025e comparison in my opinion came down heavy to kubota's side, and the dealer difference was the straw that broke the back.
This is a great video Good Works, and I don't think an owner can go wrong with either. I sure picked the right winter to buy one, Wisconsin has gotten blasted this year in snow, and I've loved every minute of it with my Kubota.
@@timothymilligan6534 I own a 3038e and I can tell you facts here. The JD operation on lifting with the bucket is so much more smoother and less jerky and also the JD turns quite a bit sharper and not to mention the JD just performs better when you pull or use equipment. Just seems stronger bottom line.
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Excellent video you nailed it. I have a Kubota L3800 coming from a JD 790 and you said it spot on as I waited. I am much please with Kubota for many reasons. You touched on most of them.
The brakes on the Kabota HST are basically not used except as a parking brake, the HST stops you very fast. I also like the PTO clutch on the Kabota, it's really nice to keep from killing the tractor when mulching or brush hogging.
One important thing you kinda sorta missed. You pointed out that the Kubota was more expensive on the used market. That's because they are retaining their value better. Brand new the Deere 3032e MSRP is $20,314, the Kubota L3301 is $19603. This specific class of tractor is the place where Kubota has the most clear competitive advantage, they have some other models that are more competitive.. but this class is a Kubota landslide.
kubota comes with rops or cab or canopy options and my dealer adds front mount pto 3 point hitch kit with hydrulic remotes on the front for customers if wanted option wich is nice
For clarity, is that with 4WD, HST, R4 Tires, & SSQA to be apples to apples with the JD?
You're talking about the Grand L, not the standard L. Compare that with the JD 3r Series.
@@GoodWorksTractors 4wd, hst. Tractor only. It's easy to do, they both publish that online. The Kubota is more machine in about every way, the B3350su is more apples to apples with the Deere. It's a bit of an oddball in the Kubota line, hardly anybody buys it.
I found the price of $19,603 for the L3301 on tractor.com. Link below. That is with R1 tires. Add $654 for R4 tires to make it comparable to the 3032e price. So, final tally is $20,257. That is also the price from five years ago in 2014. Have Kubota prices stayed flat, no inflation over that time? The LA525 loader on the L3800 in the video cost me $4,900 with the SSQA bucket. That brings the total with loader to $25,157.
I could not find the MSRP of the JD loader, but I have paid for several new loaders for the 3e Series in the $3,500 to $3,700 range including the standard JDQA. I'll use $3,800 for a grand total of $24,114 with a loader on the 3032e. About a $1,000 less than the Kubota.
Again, the article showing that MSRP is from five years ago. I would expect a considerable price jump, but who knows? Either way, they are both holding value very well and heads and tails above the rest of the competition. Of course, dealer incentives vary like crazy. I know of a dealer selling new 3038e's with loader for $19,999 right now.
www.tractor.com/manufacturers/kubota/2014-kubota-l3301-hst-review-1648.html
As you know, the B3350 has serious emissions related issues, supposedly now fixed. Is that confirmed as that would be awesome to finally have some closure. Couple that with the fact that dealers all over either refuse to sell or steer their customers away from that model and it is natural that hardly anyone buys it.
Nice honest comparison. The foot controls really decided it for me. The Kubota system is bizarre.
Very well done review. No bashing like the last one I watched. Just explaining what is what. I’m looking for my first tractor at 50 years old. I’m sick of having a yard on a wicked hill that I NEVER USE. So this will help me BIG TIME and I THANK YOU very much!!👍🏻👍🏻🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Glad to hear it sir! Thanks for watching!
I have an L3301 bought new this year with about 60 hours on it. You made some fair comparisons, and I appreciate your opinions! On the pedal: as a first-time tractor owner (long time listener, first time caller, lol), I think it is absolutely perfect for everything I do. I suppose its a bit of a balance.. when doing loader work, in and out of a pile of rock while surfacing the driveway its perfect to rock the foot back and forth without really moving it much; the angle my foot comfortably sits at when mowing with my King Kutter 72" finish when mowing 3+ acres, also, the back and forth under trees at the tree line with the brush hog.. it all is just really easy to do with the Kubota pedal. Maybe some of that is because I don't know any better, but, hey, it works for me! Also, on the weight, let's take a look at that just a little bit more, too. That extra 600 lbs matters a lot. When you look at the ~2900 lbs and then add a few more lbs by loading the rear tires.. it ends up a beefy machine well over 3000 lbs. I don't generally need any ballast of any sort on the back side when doing flat-ground loader work with mine and its loaded rear tires... it does just about hit its limit with a full bucket of crusher run, but, its still quite usable and I don't feel unsafe on flat ground. Pretty sure with a ~600ish lbs lighter machine the pucker factor would take over and I wouldn't feel safe doing that kind of heavy work. OH, also, one note.. I don't have to clutch to start my machine.
Overall, I think they kinda serve two markets: The JD is definitely marketed to (IMHO) someone who owns a larger JD machine and needs a small machine for lighter duty jobs around the property... a farmer with 100 acres who needs something to do easy daily tasks, mowing, some light property management, and when it isn't enough, he's got a larger machine to use. The Kubota machine is marketed directly to someone like me: 5 to 50(ish) acres land owner who may or may not farm some of it, who has significant dirt to move but doesn't own a 100 hp machine, too... and who needs to mow 5 to 10 acres of cleared grass-like areas with a finish or a brush hog. The JD is a strong machine..absolutely.. but the Kubota just tips the scales enough for a rural land owner like me. That's my $0.02 for what its worth.
Haha, "first time caller", I like it Ken.
Great dissection too! Yes, the weight difference is very significant. Ballast is always recommended with loader work though, rather safe than sorry! However, I understand the point you're making. Good stuff!
Don't be a stranger :)
@@GoodWorksTractors Fair point on the Ballast.. yeah, I probably should have said "without any additional ballast other than the filled rear tires".
I bought a kubota l series they are a very well built machine and easy to change accessories on. I used a friend's John deere before i had my kubota and was just not impressed with the over all design and function. I love john deere large ag equipment there is just something missing for me when it comes to there compact tractors.
The Deere's biggest problem is it seems speced, engineered, and designed by the accounting department to fill a forty foot container. I can't believe it's that short.
I wish you were close to me, I'd come check you out. I like how you keep your inventory inside and out of the elements. Plus your tractors look clean and well maintained. That speaks volumes for potential customers shopping for good condition tractors. Good stuff,
Thank you sir!
Exact conversion my buddy and I have. I have a 3025e he has his orange L series. Both nice machines for the way we use them. Love your videos!!
Nice video. Both machines have their own benefits & drawbacks. For the most part, you will not change anyones preference in brands once they decide they are green or orange, but for those still deciding these videos are great.That loader length difference was big- I would expect the Kubota to unload the rear tires easier because of the extra leverage but that extra lift height may be a real benefit for some. Always lots to consider.
Yep, both good options. I'd be happy with each.
Nice to see used/older model comparison instead of latest and greatest from dealers with the exaggerated videos. Well done!
Consider Grand L series Kubota, a bit more spendy like you said but clears up all the little irritating things(treadle design,clutch).
Love those clean tractors!
Still waiting for that detail/cleaning video, you gotta have some tricks you can share!
Thanks squeaky!
Promise the cleaning vid or vids are coming soon. Started shooting some video the other day.
Great review! I have owned a 3038E for 9 years and have had awesome luck with it, except front axle seal issues, I liked the loader being closer & not so far out compared with the Kubota, also steering links location do to woods operation, PTO was easier on the JD. I like the JD better; my opinion! Thanks again!
Awesome, great to hear Ken!
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I love my 2019 massey 1735M. Hoping next winter I can look at your pushbox plows. You do some nice videos.
Thanks a lot! Glad your tractor is treating you well!
Best comparison I have ever seen
Ended up going with a 3032 for several reasons, and so far pretty satisfied with that decision. The pedals were a fairly large part of that decision. Lol
Same here
The only thing I don't like on the Kubota HST L series is the diff-lock position. I back-up most of the steeper hills with the diff-lock. With the HST, I have to press both heels close to the seat, left especially, firmly down while twisting to look behind me. Not easy. That's why I went with the DT/Geared 3901. Sold that, so I'm back in the boat of debating HST or not because the loader work is so much smoother and easier with it over the gears since they're not fully-synced/shuttle-shift.
The lack of quick detach loader is a deal breaker for me with John Deere’s 3e series. I need to attach a nut harvester to a tractor I buy. Unless the harvester can attach to the loader, it won’t work. From what I’ve seen most harvesters bolt directly onto the tractor.
Stol is a German front loader company witch makes quick connect loaders for all kinda tractors also for the 3e series John deere and they use regular skidster attachments
Great review! I bought a new John Deere 3043D and after shopping, investigating, and comparing for several months I think I’m qualified to have 2 cents in this. First of all I looked at a bunch of used John Deere and Kubota tractors. One thing that I seen was there are a lot of ugly Rusted Kubota’s. This is not saying anything about their durability. Kubota makes quality machines no doubt but they fade they dent and they rust! Both JD and Kubota owners trying to sell me on the machine they were selling loved them of course, they wanted me to buy them. Between that and all the reviews I came to the conclusion they are both great tractors. So I when I started shopping new. The Kubota’s were more expensive then the E’s for a comparable tractor but then I looked at the new D machines and I was sold! I have had experiences with a certain Cub Cadet that soured me on hydro tractors and I’m not digging the cast aluminum rears on the E series so I decided on the 3043D and am happy I did. Cast rear end, weighs as much as the Kubota’s and has a traditional cruise control ( good old gears) . I bought in mid March and now have 76 of the toughest hours possible on it. I’ve broke a grease zerk off the clutch/brake setup, bounced a 10 pound rock off the hood and it still looks brand new! The paints ground off a big part of the bucket but the metal is plenty thick and strong to handle it! When I read the comments about Deere tractor quality , loader quality I have to throw the bs flag! As I said Kubota’s are fine machines and if it weren’t for the 3D series I’d probably own one but Deere quality is right up there too and what I’ve put Johnna (my wifes name for her cause she says she’s now my mistress) through if she was a Kubota I’d probably need tie rods and I know there would be a dent in the hood! Anyway thanks for the channel I really enjoy it and to Kubota owners , peace brother and sisters! 😷
Awesome, that's some great information right there. Thanks so much for taking the time to share!
I've been looking at jd vs kubota for 6 or 8 months and have come across your videos a lot I am taking delivery tomorrow on a new 3032
I have an L 3800 mt Love it have a backhoe attachment and Bush hog attachment For the size it works great in my application
If you shopping for a tractor wait till the have a demo day and try out for your self cause that's the best to tell what you like best
I had both and that dam treadle pedal could never get used too.
The Kubota "treadle" is a deal breaker for me. The fact that they put the brake pedals on top of the accel pedal is mind boggling. That's an accident just waiting for a place to happen. Crazy.
I hope you don't accidentally step the wrong pedal with the JD, I don't understand all the whining about the Kubota pedal, I like mine just fine
Best review I have seen. Unbiased and thorough. Thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it!
I thought that you did a great job explaining the differences between the two tractors. I am and always have been a John Deere guy. However, I took a serious look at both Kubota and Mahindra before I bought my Kubota L2501 new last year. For my money and my needs, Kubota was my best option. I would have been happy with either the Deere or the Mahindra, but I am very happy with my Kubota. Both the Mahindra dealer and the Kubota dealer were super helpful in answering my questions and helping my to find my tractor. They both made it a pleasant experience. In the end, I felt bad that Mahindra lost out. I was not impressed with the John Deeres that I looked at. I thought they were inferior to the other two tractors. However, when you get into the John Deeres that are greater than 50 horse power, that is another story. I think that John Deere needs to take the sub compact and compact/ utility market a bit more seriously and put some of that good old quality that I have come to expect from them into that portion of the market. Just my two cents.
Great video. Thanks for sharing.
Gary Fox,
Iowa
Thank you so much Gary. Sounds like you put a lot of time into figuring out the right tractor for you. Kubota makes some great equipment!
I kinda of feel the same. I think it's hard to beat a deere in the + 75hp tractors. Ran deeres in the field and they're years ahead of the rest. But in compact tractors they are lacking. Kubota has been building small tractors alot longer. In the end Deere out sources their compact tractors mostly to yanmar. Kubota builds their small tractors in house
Just had a 2019 L2501 HST with a loader delivered 2 days ago. Love it so far.
I didn't even consider JD after hearing about the sickening "right to repair" fiasco.
I bought a 2501 HST and I love it ! Besides I think using cast iron instead of aluminum is much better
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@@mrsparex release the grill guard, locate the hood release loop on lower left of the grill. Hope this helps
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Excellent presentation! Thanks
Thank you very much!
I enjoy your educational presentations, it is so obvious that your primary concern is fitting the right equipment to your customers, which equals to satisfied folks long after the sale!
Maybe talk about the room in each driver seat ...leg room etc....finding a tractor that fits a guy who's 6'6" and a size 16 shoe size is tricky at times
Unfortunately none of the manufacturers design tractors for guys your size.
Has anyone put a backhoe on a 2017 JD. 3038E? If so what model backhoe?
Which is better in the long run? I can't say which one is better, but my JD 3038E is 5 yrs. old with something over 1,000 hrs. of totally trouble free operation. Cost of long term ownership means a lot more to me than fancy features, and I have to say the "E" deserves my praise. What's a tractor for? I bought it to work hard and make my life easier....life is hard enough as it is. BTW: it comes standard with the quick detach bucket.
I have owned both deere and Kubota. After a relatively short time with the treadle pedal you get accustomed to it and will actually prefer it when backing up looking over your right shoulder. Also, you will not mistakenly hit the wrong pedal. My B2650 has the brake pedals on the left to accommodate use while turning sharply.
I've used both styles many times. I provided my opinion based on experience.
A mower is important but I never liked those undercarriage mower attachment. Do you suggest getting a deer like the one you reviewed in this video and adding a front attachment? Perhaps I could also add a a couple reel mower to the rear outside to get a wider cut. What do you think. I am trying to decide between this kind of tractor or a ventrac
I wear a size 15 shoe very uncomfortable to use the Kubota pedal, my foot covers both forward and reverse at the same time. I also believe they would sell a lot more tractors with just a forward and reverse pedal, different isn’t always better.
I agree, just can't get used to it.
I think Kubota should use that pedal across all models. The ones with the middle hidden under the frame I do not like. That full one isn't that bad as you can usually fit your whole foot on and thought it wasn't that bad. Like to see the brake on the left as well. I'll stick with my 1025r though!
To each their own!
I’ve owned both John Deere and Kubota and I 100% agree on the treadle petal after a while I got used to it but it’s not as intuitive as the John Deere
You had mentioned that you can get a skid steer quick tach for the John Deere. Are you referring to a factory option, or aftermarket? I have a 2038R and would consider converting it over to a skid steer quick tach.
You can order it with your new tractor or purchase aftermarket.
So, this might happen to you in the future, but If someone comes in with a tractor that has multiple repairs like the loader was welded a couple of times, and, other etc and it has seen a rough life from landscapers places would you buy it and then give the buyer a discount on the new tractor they purchase?
I probably wouldn't accept a tractor known to be in that type of condition.
The treadle pedal is one of those things that is misunderstood, I was all about the JD1025R over the BX23S until I started to shop for them and one main point was the pedals but when I really started looking and using them I see a huge benefit to the treadle pedal that no one mentions and that is you have the ability to drive the machine without lifting your foot and just rocking back and forth, also for me using my BX when I back up properly (i.e. turn around and look behind me :) ) the motion of twisting puts my heal in the perfect location to go into reverse, there isn't mistaking the pedal on feel, forward part goes forward, rear part goes backwards. Just food for thought.
This ultimately a user preference and is completely up to the operator that works best for them.
Exactly, user preference. I agree.
I’ve put hundreds of hours on tractors with twin pedal and I have test drove many with the rocker pedal and I cannot imagine the rocker pedal being easier on your leg unless you’re 4 feet tall and your leg just hangs off the seat and barely touches the floor.
Lucas Renfroe that is your preference the larger rocker pedals on the bigger machine I can place my entire foot on and rock it to go forward or reverse, on the BX23S which isn’t the same pedal as the larger machines I don’t find it hard as when I turn my body to look be hind me my heal naturally falls on the back side of the pedal. But that’s me and coming from someone who had the same opinion as you and like the Deere’s pedal setup more.
I will need to know your height before I go any further with this conversation....
Lucas Renfroe getting awfully personal what are your measurements? 😂 not sure what height has to do with personal preference, I get it you don’t like the treadle pedal but does not mean your opinion is better than someone else’s
No steering with brakes on the JD? (I find I use them a lot in the winter on my NH TC33D)
Just noticed you say that you need to engage the clutch to start the kubota. That is not the case with the standard L series kubotas. Both my L3901 DT and L 3901 HST tractors that I’ve owned will start without the clutch being depressed. The DT model does need to have the gear and range selectors in neutral though. Not the case with the HST kubota though.
Some do, some don't then. I've turned the key on many Kubota's and they won't start until I realize I didn't depress the clutch.
My #1 priority is where the tractors are built.The country of origin means everything to me.Ive worked too hard for my dollar to have poor quality or sloppy fit and finish.A lot of kubotas are still built in Osaka japan,with disciplined workers dedicated to quality.There whole culture is different.There fit and finish,tolerances,assembly,cleanliness,refinement is all high end subjected to a ton of Quality checks.Ive bought American products,POLARIS,ASV track loader,the quality and enginnering is just not there.KUBOTA has always been a well refined mchine,everything they make is dam good,and you pay,but you get a superior product.There's a reason why the resale is high.Any man that criticizes KUBOTA doesn't own one,or cant afford one.American companies screwed themselves.Why do you think deere always ran YANMAR diesels in the small tractors?No thanks,I'll buy Japanese everytime.MSRP 42000 cdn,toyota Tacoma,here I come.
Totally agree. Only buy Japanese machinery.
There’s probably not a high demand for it, but it would be cool to see a comparison between the John Deere 3D and the Kubota L series gear drive. Thanks for the videos.
I've been searching for such a video. Going to buy a 3025D or L2501DT
Why haven't the done safety lock for the front bucket so you can raise it up to work on the tractor with out the gear of the bucket coming down on you
In the process of tractor shopping right now. Looking for something that will run a 5 foot brush cutter, maybe a small 2 bottom plow and have the ability to run a front mount snowblower. I'm thinking the B series tractors might be too small. The Standard L series might be fine, but I don't believe they are available with a mid PTO.
Not sure which capabilities are a must have and which would be nice to have.
Hi, you're on the right track although once you mentioned a front mount snowblower, the options start to dwindle a bit and tractor price shoots way up. Only the Premium 3 Series by John Deere and Grand L Series even have mid PTO as an option. Plus, blowers for those machines are very, very pricey. They do make pull type snowblowers that hook to the three point hitch, but still allow you to drive forward over the snow and then blow it out.
So if you were to choose, which would you choose? L3901, 3032E or a 2038R? I'm really hung up between the L3901 and 2038R. Also what would be the deciding factor?
My l3940 is set up so different, the brakes are in the middle and the pedal is a lot bigger rectangle with the top right 2inches sticking out to use just the toes. Def like the Deere pedals better but I like having a clutch. The glow plugs are a midpoint on the key don't have to go backwards.
How about the John Deere body being plastic along with the fenders where the Kabota is still metal? Plastic cracks and breaks, metal bends. You can straighten metal, cracked and broken plastic has to be replaced. I like the color green better than orange but my tractor of choice will be the Kabota.
Why not just use fiberglass to patch the plastic?
@@1yehny that's not the point. John Deere sucks
Too many commercials bubba. Good info but it feels like watching late night QVC.
Good review. I might be wrong but kabota loader weight lift amount is measured from the bucket as apposed to the pin on the Deere. That means the kabota will lift more in the bucket. Deere won't lift what it advertised in the bucket, because it's lift weight is measured by the pin. Both sure look good though, I'd be happy with either. I would agree the location of the tie rods is not too thought out on the kabota and 600lbs, ouch. Hope all is well.
The both measure at the same points
Good Works Tractors thanks. There’s so much bad information out there.
I looked at a Kubota just like that one. Brakes on same side as treadle peddle. I asked sales guy how to lock a wheel to turn sharp if all on the same side. Lol.
Not sure why they would locate the brake pedal in that position. Not all Kubota's are setup that way, but many are unfortunately.
easily, use the handle for the cruise control on the left side of the seat. its an option but it works fine for making those turns.
Very interested in Kubota tractors. Do you think that they will change the pedal configuration to accommodate the complaints?
Good question. I would think Kubota would have changed the pedal configuration years ago if they listened to customer feedback. I think it would make a significant positive impact to their sales if so. However, I've not heard anything about a design change unfortunately.
Looks like John Deere has added a new lineup in the 3 series. The 3D which adds a gear driven transmission. Their video just went up. Very new with other newer features to compare.
Nice! Now I've gotta get my hands on one!
I don't know anything about the deeres but i know all the modern l series tractors at least from the 3400 all the way up to the 02 series are all basically identical. Meaning everything is backwards compatible pretty much
Rocker pedal #%:: seperate pedamls you have good control on very low speed
I like the heavier Kobota however that right side floor pedal would be a deal killer for myself. John Deere All The Way. Good Comparison Presentation Kobota vs John Deere Tractors. 👍🚜
Thanks Mark!
The difference I found in the 2 is green has plastic fenders and orange has steel fenders. So I went with the steel!
Wondering why the L4400 wasn't mentioned? I'm looking at one, not sure if its a different L-Series tractor?
It is a larger frame L Series...similar to the L4600 or L4701. Quite similar in features to the smaller frame L's, but it's more comparable to a JD 4m Series.
@@GoodWorksTractors Fantastic, thank you for the quick reply and your work on the videos, hope you rocking it. Cheers.
Question. 2013 L series. The tack doesn't work . where do i look for a loose wire? Maybe? Cant see much without taking the dash out or more.. Just thought it might be common problem. Thanks
Sounds like someone disconnected it to not run up the running hours..
Kubota did that because on a Hydrostatic Transmission you don't typically stop by using a brake. You stop by letting your foot off the throttle. The brakes are typically used only to hold the machine in place. Dealers need to start telling their customers this because it's something that a lot of people don't understand. I wonder if a lot of dealers even understand what a Hydrostatic Transmission actually is as well.
I had a Grand L series and I thought I would never get used to the rocker pedal but after a short time I really liked it, the thing I hated and do not understand why it's still the same way is the brake pedals it's impossible to use one wheel brake to make a short turn , that's my really one thing I hated about it. I bought it apx. 14 years ago and the salesman told me Kubota was going to relocate them to the other side within 2 years. It's kinda like putting the parachute release on a drag car behind the driver seat totally useless.
The Grand L pedal configuration is definitely better than the Standard L.
The go pedal is on the same side as the brakes so that you can steer brake if you let off of it it's essentially like shifting from fifth to second so if you want to cut a steering brake turn you'll need to ride the gas as well although on the Grand l they don't have a clutch so I believe they relocated to the other side.
FWIW I test drove them both before buying. The thing that turned me away from the Kubota was the treadle pedal. I am a taller guy and it had my leg in an uncomfortable position. The salesman even commented that it looked like I would need a bigger tractor to be comfortable. Left the Kubota dealer and went to test a 3038e. I found the position of their hydro pedals in a much more comfortable position. I've got nothing bad to say about the Kubota I just found the Deere more to my liking.
Who made your microphone?
The good part about the tubing with the Deere is you can see it all and it’s on the inside of the arms the other is under where you can’t see if somthing is hitting it !?
I love the treadle pedal it is the best, our kubota l3200 has it
Is the L3300 the same as the 3800? Besides Horsepower?.
I like how it always seems to come down to the Kubota hydro pedal. That is the only reason I don't buy John Deere tractors. I personally think the two pedals are horrible and backwards. But that's my opinion 👍
I own a JD and a Kubota and I can tell you that the tredal pedal is a non issue after a day.
The Kubota pedal makes it easy to rock back and forth if your trying to get out of the mud!
This JD3 got to be the cutest tractor overall. Looks like a big toy.
Not sure why anyone would buy and JD over the Kubota in these models. JD weighs almost 600 lbs less, only and 2 range transmission and doesnt have a quick detach loader. Just seems crazy. JD make a better sub compact in my opinion, but Kubota all the way in this video.
The JD has a quick detach loader. The boom arm is not quick detach. Why do you want to detach your arms? For service?
That intro audio in the concrete block room was terrible. Please don't do it again. Your videos are normally so great.
also notice the center on the deere, awkawrd hump and nothing covering.
Did you not see the awkward hump on the Kubota?
@@bierbarrel If Kubotas fanboys are blind then JD fanboys are basically Helen Keller.
Wow, after watching all that, I think I will keep my B2410! I was considering upgrading to a higher HP one, but not any more, I will figure out a way to make a cupholder instead. Back in 01 when I researched tractors, it was Kubota B2410 vs the JD series, which I don't remember now, they no longer make it, nor does Kubota make the B2400 series. The Deere had an easier to use FEL disconnect system, you could detach it without getting off the tractor, where the Bota has the legs you have to unpin and drop. Big deal, for number of times I remove it each year, I could use the exercise. :). Head to head they were very very close, the only thing the Deere had that I strongly wish Bota would do, which they STILL don't, is put the split brakes on the left so they can actually be used! They are worthless on the right. Price was the deciding factor, the Bota was a better deal both in final price and financing, but no regerts either, it has been a great tractor. If the Deere was better priced with better financing, I would have the Deere instead. Looking at this review, I wouldn't want either one of them mainly due to lacking features that my current one(and the Deere Equivalent had) has that I use all the time.
Things I would give up going bigger. Front PTO, Easy engine access. The front and side panels pop off giving full access to everything and the hood does not get in the way as it does on the Bota here. The side handles are better positioned on the B2410 than on the L, they are pretty close to the Deere. The controls are also better placed, and I can get on and off on either side. It also has a rubber floor mat. Yes the 2410 has the Treadle pedal, but the advantage is you won't mistakenly hit the reverse, or forward pedal, when looking over your shoulder where that happens with the Deere. We have an X500 with that pedal arrangement and yes, it is very easy to press the wrong pedal. I also have a subframe backhoe for mine, a Woods model, and it works very well.
Thanks for the review, now I know going bigger, isn't going to be better. Oh BTW, has anyone notice how quickly the Deere seats fall apart? We store our equipment inside, out of the weather, out of the sun, and the seat on our Deere, which is only about 8 years old has fallen apart, yet the seat on my 19 YO Bota is like new still. Oh, and don't hit a tree with the X500, the hoods are VERY expensive!
The Kubota does have steering brakes where the John Deere doesn't. They are not very user friendly, but they are there.
Brother, I think you information is valid, however the sound is so bad I can't puck up the entire information.
My dealer wants 22k now for just the Kubota and loader..says they went up 10 percent..24k for an HST...Also heard Kubota changed the paint 2 or 3 years back its more UV resistent like automotive paint now.
Yea I got the actual quote today..I thought the 23,400 was OTD..Nope it was 27,265..Thats HST with Tax and fees and insurance payments around 454 a month..A bit much I think for around the house.
I still don't understand why John deere compares this model to the l3301 kubota. The only thing that is even the same is the size of tires. JD only has a 2 range transmission. That is just stupid!!! That's one of the biggest reasons I went with kubota. Thanks for just showing the differences.
Is the L3800 going to be up for sale?
It already sold
Can’t remove loader on deere... I’m all set on that
how is Kubota operator supposed to use the split break when it is above the treadle pedal?
Lol, I don't know
You heel the gas the split is just so you can turn on a hydrostatic you'll need to ride the gas a little anyway if you're trying to do a brake turn because they don't coast.
Big difference in the quality of a 2019 2038R and the 2038E is huge. I have two break pedals and also cast rods on my 2038R. the 2038E is not comparable to the 2038R. I have had Kubota's and John Deeres. The Deeres Rock over the Kubota. I also hate the treadle peddle. They are both good tractors.
Regen system in itself make Kubota the winner.
If they dont weigh about the same, then they arent actually what I would consider competing models. Kind of like comparing a (Ford) Expedition to a (Chevy) Suburban.
Why would anyone want a 2WD? Youd have to go 1,000# bigger to get the same tractive effort. 'Course I feel the same way about pickups too. Ditto diff lock - everything but my rider mower has a diff lock (and I dearly wish IT did too). Of course, with Diff Lock youre that much farther from the barn when you do get stuck...
One thing I really like Ive never seen anywhere else, I built a bracket and mounted a winch on the brush guard in front of the battery. So if I want to really pull something, I can jab the bucket into the ground (I normally run a toothbar) and the tractor aint going nowhere. I may not get the shrub out of the ground, but the tractor wont climb up it either (safety tip: dont be near the cable when you do this). It has a remote so I can stay off the tractor and keep setting the choker on different things. At least til the ground right in front of the tractor fills up with stuff. Vastly beats having to go back to the tractor, climb up, put in gear, back away, go forward, remove cable, rinse&repeat each time.
I dislike the back-forth HST pedal and the brakes on the same side. Hownell am I supposed to hit one side brake and push forward at the same time to make a mega-turn? Dumb. I think they swapped sides for the subsequent model (L4700?). OTOH it turns so tight to begin with, I never need it anyway. On my old B6100D I used to use it all the time.
I’m pretty sure my next purchase will be a L2501.
What kind of contortionist would you have to be to use split brakes on the Kubota. How can you push forward on the treadle pedal AND one of the brakes with THE SAME FOOT. Missed that one didn't ya Kubota!
Haha, you never know who their guinea pig was :)
Gear drive is where it is at.
Love your videos......
Thanks for watching!
what about the 3036e ?
John Deere gloo plugs how to start JD cold weather
it's a little hard to listen to the echo in that room.
Yep, I agree. Someday I'll be able to afford good camera equipment. I'm on a shoestring budget. Donations accepted :)
the 3038e has an aluminum rear end housing
Yes, somehow I edited that out of the video.
Aluminum rear is the worst thing ever John deere are junk cast iron rear is a no brainer if everyone new this major durability difference no one would buy deere I know I've owned both deere is light duty!!!!!
They're engineered light so they can stuff an ISO container.
No one speak about engine/pto transfer power were JD its worse on market or about dual function for loader.Visible its a pro JD dealer
The unprotected sexions of the hydraulic lines turned me off. JD looks cheaply made compared to kubota.
Yes, just remember that this isn't representative of every model of JD and Kubota.
something that doesn't get mentioned is the deeres buckets are not as sturdy design and thinner material on the sides!
Perhaps. I am offered many tractors by both brands that have edges that are bent, so perhaps the slightly thicker material still doesn't account for enough difference. Just adds more weight which decreases loader capacity. Good observation.
from observation, going to a deere dealer and kubota, most if not all use deere is bent on top and sides, where it only has an half C channel, square on kubota and or thicker reinforce metal, and the sides are reinforce. again what i notice is more money for less tractor.
constantly notice 2-3k different in tractor price for same comparable model, that could be a dealer thing, but it was consistent with two deere dealers i went to. and to top it off it was geared tranny on deere and still cost more. just my .02 cents on things i notice.
Yep, experiences will vary.
JD doesn't offer the 3e Series in gear drive, so that's a different series you're talking about.
this is referring to my experience, sorry. Originally looking at Deere 4066m, ended up with Kubota M5800 HST, a better tractor for less money.
Gotcha
Kubota doesn't offer rear wheel weights. Kubota also requires more ballast because of the loader position.
I've seen plenty of Kubota's with rear wheel weights. I'd be surprised if they didn't offer them.
Yes, if the bucket is further out in the front, then more counter weight would be required.
@@GoodWorksTractors L2501 doesn't have a place to mount wheel weights. There aren't holes to fasten the weights.
I see that. I've had wheel weights on a variety of standard L Series. Must be some way to accomplish it. How though, I'm not sure.
@@GoodWorksTractors My friend was told by the dealership that he couldn't get wheel weights for his L2501. The dealership gave him the option of liquid ballast and 3 point ballast. Next time you have one with wheel weights, take a video of it.
I will try to keep it in mind. Thanks Stunt!
Just wondering if Deere and kobota are the only tractors you sell. I'm a new subscriber and haven't seen anything else. What's your opinion on some of the other brands. Mahindra LS Massey Kioti.
Hi Christopher, yes they are the only tractors that seek out. I will take trade-ins of other manufacturers on occasion though. I'm sold on JD & Kubota for several reasons. Dealer network for parts and service, resale value, and a history of reliability. I don't feel it's worth saving a couple thousand dollars on the front end to lose that value on the back end. Even if you take out anything to do with potential maintenance and reliability concerns found in some other brands, the loss to depreciation alone is sickening.
I love my mahindra 555 from mexico
I remove the loader when I have to mow a big field. Much less bouncier!
I'd like to take my bucket off, but it is so bent that it takes an hour to force it back on. It would be a lot easier on the hydraulics, especially when I "discover" a new groundhog hole. But I've never taken the loader itself off.
One thing doesn't get mentioned enough is the speed of 3E series loaders, they are ridiculously fast. I tested these 2 tractors side by side at an event and that was immediately noticeable, especially the curl and dump speed, stupidly fast. Yes, the loader doesn't perform 2 functions simultaneously as well as Kubota. But the 3E series will outwork any tractor this size in loader applications simply due to the speed of the loader, and that includes Deere's own deluxe 3R series. So this isn't a knock on Kubota, which is a great tractor as well.