Deere 1025R vs Kubota BX! Mower Operation! Round #3 of 8
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- John Deere 1025R vs Kubota BX! Mower Operation: Uncut Circle Diameter (Turning Radius), Fuel Consumption, Hillside Stability, Scalp Test, Mowing/Cut Quality, Noise Level, and Underside of the decks! Competitive comparison of the mowing functions of both these sub compact tractors.
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Hi, just caught up with your posts and have been enjoying you Deer/Kabota face off.
On the subject of the steering ram on the BX, yes the exposed nature of the ram has caused me problems when I hit a kerb hidden in some brush (incidentally it was miles from a road so God knows how it got there!)
This resulted in a dink in the ram that then leaked hydraulic fluid which was a costly and annoying re placement. Keep up the reviews😊
I always wondered where crop circles came from
Side note, i'm really enjoying this series. I have 200, hard, hours on my BX and im learning things I didn't know about my own machine. Keep it up.
Awesome series! I thought that the box slid much more on the slope just by the video, and you confirmed it. Thankyou for all you give us!
Tim I'm loving these videos. I purchased a 2025r about 3 months ago and you know how much research went into that decision. Literally weeks. You are giving us very valuable information on these two units. These two units have the highest resale value and ease of reselling. A major deciding factor will come down to dealer and dealership relationship. Thank you for all the great info and keep up the videos😀
I was very surprised how well my B series 60” cuts compared to my old scag zero turn. I thought it would be a lot rougher looking, but it looks great and am very happy with the results. I decided to sell the zero turn and get the tractor so I have more tools at my disposal around the property. These tractors are so versatile!
Awesome video and comparison’s.. thank you for taking the time and effort to show the similarities and the differences.. i know it’s a lot more work on your end that you probably get credit for, but this by far will be the best video series for the consumer to watch in order to make a good choice in their future purchase of a sub-compact tractor purchase.. thank you again and God Bless...
Tim, you guys are doing a great job, thanks for taking the time to do it.
I was brought up on a dairy farm that was quite hilly and learned at an early age that tractors need to be weighted properly for stability on hills. If traveling straight up and down steep hills you need front weights or a loader attachment to stabilize the front end so it doesn't wheely on you. But, you also need to counter balance the rear as much or more. Any tractor that has a loader has to have fluid in the tires and wheel weights. Thus equipped a tractor now becomes much more stable on side hills as well. Ballasting the tires and wheels is much better for side hill stability than just adding weight on the rear hitch. You need weight to put power to the ground!
Wow. Really enjoying this series; thank you for so much for posting.
Super accurate, thoughtful about both, I like it.
I am very excited for the lifting competition! I just bought my tractor based on written specs and I feel some companies pad the numbers. I know mine (Mahindra) doesn’t seem to lift as much as advertised. Will be interesting to see how these two do. Also pricing was a huge point for me, I would like to see a comparison of these two. I have my popcorn ready!
Just regular guy comparing tractors in an unbiased way. No brand slant or expectations, just the facts --I love it, great video as usual.
Great videos! Well done. Truly professional, and fair.
Best advice is buy from the dealer you like best regardless of the color of the tractor.
wow thanks Tim! You really helped me with your advise to cover roots with dirt if they get hit by the blades sometimes! :) Thats a great idea!
Yep, When he said that I immediately could relate. I have a HUGE Walnut tree that has some roots that stick up. I got some top soil and spread it in between them and it took care of the problem.
Good job testing the turning radius, I test drove a 1025 and bx2680 and was shocked how much tighter the 1025 turned. That was a deciding factor for me.
Awesome job keep them coming. Hills or should I say small bumps even make me “pucker”. Even on my small lawn tractor. You are brave that angle made me nervous just watching.
Another great and informative review. Thanks!
Good info Tim. Nice comparison 👌
Another excellent informative session!!!!
As a fairly new viewer, I'm really appreciating your videos. I also appreciate the Scripture. Thank you for including that, and keep up the great work!!
Welcome! and thanks for the kind words! What is your favorite type of content? Have you seen any of the family farm videos?
I've mainly been watching your tractor tests, and, the installation of your fence to protect your garden from pests! Looking forward to exploring more. Found you folks while watching a What The Farm-girl videos, BTW!!
Good job on comparing the two tractors.
I enjoy honest videos my friends. Perfect.
Thanks for all the info. I think this will help those that are looking to buy a Tractor. ps. Keep the coming.
I would expect the 1025 r to use more fuel it has a 77.3 cubic inch cylinder displacement. The bx2680 has a displacement of 61.1 and the BX 2380 and BX 23s has a displacement of 54.8. Although, they all perform just fine.
Just found your channel as I begin my research on purchase of a subcompact, and glad I did. Alot to consider and you are hitting a lot of my interests with this series. I almost dismissed this video because I have a 60" zero turn I mow with so I 'thought' I might not need this comparison, but low and behold I did. Turning radius and exposed hydraulics are a consideration since I would be fence line brush busting in confined areas between trees. Well done Sir!
Turning radius is critical…even if you do not mow with the tractor.
Another great video Tim. Thanks
0:11 I watch loads of your videos. Thanks for giving me “tractor fever”🤣🤣🤣
Steve
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Thanks for watching!
The tension is starting to build, who will reign king....Nice job, both of you...
Hey Tim, I like the testing you have done so far.
Bottom line in Round 3 based on your results.
1: Kubota has more horsepower = more work done per minute
2:Burns less fuel per hour = cost savings
3:Produces less noise at the operators station = more comfort for the operator
TEAM ORANGE is the winner hands down.
But, you spend that extra fuel turning in circles around obstacles because it doesn’t turn as short!
It is all in perspective.
@@TractorTimewithTim I'm not sure who uses a sub-compactor from mowimg in cirecles. Strainght lines when mowing is the fastest and looks better.
I have a 1025 that I do all the mowing on my 3 acre property, and yes I do have quite a few trees and flower bushes to mow around. So I guess I am that guy.
@@michaeleisinger8668 I use mine to mow around trees so I too am that guy. Mowing around a few hundred trees will change your perspective.
Tim, I think we have all experienced at one point in time that you can get a small strip of uncut grass, especially mowing through a turn. I know you mentioned the offset of the blades being comparable, but it would be nice to know the difference in the following:
- Blade length
- Distance between the two outer blade spindle bolts
- The middle blade offset distance (to the center of spindle bolt) when you run a straight line between the two outer blade spindles bolts.
Overlap is a good thing, but is limited by the mower deck width (front to back). This is one of those annoying issues I've dealt with on riding tractors over the years. Seems to be worse the faster you are going around the turn.
Thanks for your videos.
Blade tip speed is what you want to cut grass clean. They also make high lift blades for when using a bagger systems. (Mostly for push mowers). High lift blades will lift the grass that's matted down better, but you lose blade tip speed because of wind drag.
Small uncut strips are usually because of rounded worn blade tips or loss of blade speed.
@@emerkamp1 I had the problem he speaks of with my old lawn tractor (Deere LX186). It also had a 3 blade deck. If I made a turn with just the right size arc it would leave a strip of uncut grass where the offset of the blades exactly matched the arc of the turn. Haven't seen that problem yet with the 1023E and 60D deck.
@@Dan-nj8du I see it with my 1023e and the 54" deck. It's annoying, but I just go back and get those spots later. I am curious as to what causes it though.
Mike M the blades have offsets. They are never right on top of each other. When going straight they overlap when turning you can have a strip of grass pass right I between the blades.
@@emerkamp1 Good points on blade tip speed and lift. I also had the opinion about worn blades, but I have seen this happen on a set of brand new factory blades on my Kubota 60" deck. Dan is right with regards to it happening in a certain arc. I know there is an offset, but it doesn't seem to be enough on the BX23 deck. I've also seen this on the older Cub Cadets that I used to have.
Another great comparison video.
Great video!
When I owned a 1025r, I was impressed by the turning radios for sure
Same here. This is what convinced Christy that she could mow with it.
John deere for sure i think.
I am a Kubota driver but with great respect for Deere from my long ago farm background. This is a very fair and balanced comparison of the two models.
On the BX steering, it definitely has some looseness. You have to keep pulling the wheel to make a tight turn, and it will not track straight on the road.
On the turning radius, my BX has stop bolts behind the front wheels which limit the angle of turn. It looks as though these can be adjusted, but the manual is silent on this. I am reluctant to touch them without some input from Kubota. Has anyone out there tried fiddling with these? Has anyone asked Kubota about this?
Nice job guys
Really enjoy watching these videos. I have always been more of a Kubota guy mostly because my father has a B2920. But I honestly think if I had the funds I would buy a John Deere over the kubota. Just all those things make a big difference in the overall usefulness and enjoyment of using the machine. Especially seeing the better quality of the Deere deck. Looks the spindles may be beefier too.
Nice unbiased video. 👍👍👍
Both of these tractors are amazing
Nice comparison guy's.
One of the common complaints of Kubota owners that were used to JD equipment is the pedal setup, and I agree. I have yet to use the reverse pedal...I just lift up on the pedal with my toes, and that works well for me. Everyone is different....I agree with fuel consumption, it’s very good. I also happen to have the mulch kit on my 54” deck so mine looks completely different. Another thing many BX owners do for stability is install wheel spacers. They claim huge improvements. I haven’t seen the need myself. Another good video! Last thing: resale value. Kubota resale value is just ok, as the factory continues 0% financing. No reason to buy used...
great vids
I was shocked when I got my 1025r and the turning radius compared to my old 1994 White GT-1855 that I had before it. The JD turns tight and very nice! Power steering is nice as well! When looking at the subcompact tractors when I was looking I never thought about the turning radius. Wow....that grass looks like ours usually does by this time of the year, but surprisingly still green here in western pa!
Real good work tim .i notice your lawn is dead as mine too .and this on the other side of the world the second summer withoud enough rain and tempratures up to 90 f
Another great comparison. The turning radius makes sense, the wider front axle will be able to provide more steering angle, just like the Ford F350 Dually vs the F450 Dually with wide track front axle the F450 actually has a tighter radius.
Really enjoying the series, I'd like to see you do similar for other brands in the future if possible. Kioti, Massey Ferguson, Mahindra. It's hard to find info on these other brands.
I appreciate the video. That ditch would be a great test for r14 tires I'm thinking. And I would definitely start out with the diff lock engaged. (All hands on deck approach). I believe John Deere has always been at the front of the class with turning radius. 4 wheel steering, ect. Although I'm not a fan of belly mowers, (I have a zero turn and a bigger utility tractor) , but I believe it adds an element of roll over protection a 3 point finish mower couldn't provide.
I'm interested in the people who always dislike Tim's videos? Leave me a comment on why 25 people didn't agree with what he said or enjoy the video.
He speaks the truth & they don't wanna hear it.......
There are dislikes on any video, no matter how wholesome it is. People are goofy.
They still have 21"push mowers...
11:47 how many times have I heard that... 😂😂
Pucker Factor! Haha thats just awesome. As always love the videos!
I own a B2601, FEL and backhoe and am very happy with it. That being said, there are a couple of things that are less than idea. My JD owning friends feel the same about their tractors. My final choice, between JD and Kubota, pretty much cane down to dealers. I think you are really doing your best to be objective so don’t let the haters get you down.
Your point is right on. Owning and using a tractor for years helps you too see the ‘less than ideal’ stuff.
Hard to learn those things during a test drive on the dealer’s lot or by watching a dealer review.
Love the comparisons! I think you are doing the best with what you have to work with. Everyone can make their own decisions. PS have you ever thought of a float test in your pond you should ask Christy to volunteer for the test. Lol
Uhoh!
good job
Hi Tim and Christy very good video i will tell you this you both gave me a few pucker factor moments on that bank but the 2 tractors are pretty well matched but the John deere won the sound test hands down
If you watch the overhead video on the JD 4x4 circle, you can see when the front wheel hits the long uncut grass it looses some traction and under steers a little. Where the tire leaves and reenters the edge of the cut grass perfectly coincides with the protrusion of your paint circle.
I am going in three weeks to get my new tractor. I am going with a 2025R, so this comparison is really irrelevent for me but I have been enjoying your videos.
It’s funny being from WV where we mow hills all the time, but the only bank you had in IN was the road ditch. The hills around here would not let me use either of these. We use a 2019 JD E170 but prefer our 2003 JD Sabre 2148 because it’s lower to the ground, can raise the mower higher, and has a more robust mower deck.
Another great comparison. I noticed your pond was starting to cake over. I would get some ducks to keep it broken up.
Hey Tractor time with Tim. I saw this video a while ago and never payed attention to the rattle noise you mentioned on a slope. I have a 2017 bx2380 and know this noise well. It is not an engine noise. The issue is there are brackets attached to the engine mounts that stick out sideways and the rub the frame rail when on a slope. This is an easy fix. Mine was repaired under warranty they just ground some of the material off them and they don't rub the frame anymore. I am not sure if on the newer models this was resolved or this may still have to be done.
Realy well done.
Interesting observation on the steering wheel. I have an older JD x475 garden tractor that behaves like the Kubota. I'm curious what the commonality is.
Do you have any really tall grass or weeds to mow that may make a difference on mowing for the clean out of the mower when it spits out the grass clippings
Should've calculated the degree of the tilt on the ditch side. Compared to what specs state.
I don't love the hoses on my deere steering cylinder hangin' out there in the breeze.. nor how "light duty" the cylinder is. I keep lookin' at the hoses thinking i need to build a skid plate...that said, probably unlikely you'd hook anything on it. (but..all it takes is one stray re-bar tent stake or survey marker)
I am super impressed with the protection/routing of the fluid lines to the Kubota cylinder. I don't like the Kubota cylinder out front either, but wonder if that adds any real concern if the machine isn't used for mining or quarry work,
You are doing a great thing here Tim. Love your channel. It's nice to see what's possible with my 1023e
I would worry about a stump or branch off cut that rolls up as you pass over it.
These have been my favorite vids of late Tim...admittedly I prefer my JD 1026R ...I will say Tim I never cut my ditch with the deck that low, I always raise it up so I do not mow dirt or have it snag. The Kubota looked like it was too low. I thought both decks should have been raised all the way up. If you have to mow twice as often so be it. I can see why you use the Ventrac there...Weed eater for the rest of us.
I actually just mowed my ditch that is at least that steep with the BX today. It’s unnerving, but I don’t get a sense it’s even close to actually tipping.
I assume the Deere weighs more? That could help with stability along with the extra couple inches of width.
Good review, I just wish you had some grass to cut! Haha.
Great video as always! I think the slope test may be a little skewed due to several passes along the same slope, which loosens the soil for the next run. I don’t know how else to compare though. Keep up the great work!
Definitely not perfect.
Great comparison!
I’m hoping to get A compact tractor some day and it’ll have to be A BX because we don’t have A Deere dealer but if you follow Paul Short you’ll know we have A great Kubota dealership nearby so between this comparison and our good dealer I think I’ll be happy with the BX
The rattle in the bx is the engine stops. These are hard stops to keep the motor from over stressing or tearing the rubber motor mounts in extreme adverse angles. It is a little disconcerting the first time you hear it, but once you understand it you are fine.
Great comparison vids Tim. How about at the end you put a chart that has a listing of each category tested (like you did at the 0:25 mark) and then two vertical columns next to that (one for JD and one for Kub) with the measurements you got? That would summarize everything in one spot - thanks!
Hi Ttwt. We watched the ditch mowing again today and there is a point where the 1025r was high centered near the end of the ditch. At that point I think I'd try turning to the left and straddling the culvert.
Your comments are fair, the two tractors are not apples to apples. Except for this series I really like your channel.
Interesting. These tractors are almost identical from specs, pricing, etc.
Consensus is that these tractors are direct competitors.
I measured the noise level on my 2016 1025R from the drivers seat (no mower), in an open field with lush grass. 80 dBA at idle, 90dBA (instantaneous) at full throttle. I used an iPhone X with the NIOSH app, it is a free app provided by OSHA that uses the calibrated MEMS microphone on the iPhone, supposed to be accurate to +/- 2 dBA according to OSHA. Note that for both machines, full throttle sound requires hearing protection to avoid hearing loss. As a comparison, I tested my X320 lawn tractor and its gas engine had 75dBA at idle, 80dBA at full throttle, and 88dBA at full throttle with mower deck engaged. The deck is 48". To my hearing, 80dBA is not overly loud, and I don't use generally use hearing protection for loader or backhoe work under 2500 rpm. I use hearing for PTO or full throttle operation as the engine itself is approaching 90dBA and that can cause hearing loss. The implement will of course add additional noise.
Did you test with mid mount mower engaged? That would explain the difference in our readings.
Tractor Time with Tim I don’t have a mid mower.
I probably would have still gone with my Deere, simply due to dealership support and proximity. But I'm loving this as unbiased as possible real world comparison
Tim, loving the comparison between the bx and 1025r so far. Thanks for showing what they will do on a slope. Perhaps this has been addressed and I know you touched on it in the first video, but I haven't been able to find a video anywhere showing the real world application of position control on the 1025r and the quarter inching valve on the bx. Would love to see a comparison between the two using a box blade or some other ground engaging piece of equipment. I keep reading how position control is important in such applications but I've had other people say it doesn't matter, so I don't know what to believe. Thanks again for all your hard work and effort putting these videos together.
It is very helpful. I don’t know what else to say about it. It gives full control of the 3 pt position.
@@TractorTimewithTim Thanks for the quick reply. That was my thinking as well.
The first video did show it with use of the tiller. It doesn't matter for me at all, as I don't use any ground engaging implements (a ground engaging implement would be a tiller, a box blade, a plow or similar). I mostly use pallet forks, a chipper, a draw bar for the boat, and all of those I tend to just lift up and down, I never set to a specific height. If I was trying to level a driveway with a box blade I'd probably want position control, but I'd probably also want a B2601 / JD 2 series tractor.
Great comparison Tim. I have watched all three rounds and I feel you have been fair and objective.
I'd like to know if that BX deck with that wind tunnel would handle thick wet clumpy grass better or worse than the Deer.?
"Pucker Factor" oh yeah it matters! LOL
Once my 1025 got 500 hours the deck had some part break every season. I mowed with an old International more than with the Deere. Cheap metal pins and latches.
Good video. You guys do the best you can to make Test equal and unbiased. Thanks jdmich
Great video reply and tell me which tractor you prefer
just at hought , would the extra material on the bx deck be to keep debris and impact protection for the pto) shaft???
I have a similar roadside ditch. My zero turn causes a great deal of pucker factor when I use it. My BX has some lean, but is fairly stable. As for the rattle on the BX, mine does that too and I’m pretty sure that’s the metal hood rattling so nothing to really worry about.
What in the world happened to your grass?? Did the flood kill it??
Great video as usual. Keep up the good work.
Signed The Other Tim with Tractors
Tim 7 gage steel is .1793". I'm thinkin you may have a higher pucker factor than me! Nice comparison!
For steep slopes on my property I avoid the “pucker factor” by using a self propelled Honda lawnmower. The Honda has a spring loaded drive clutch and the moment it is released the blade stops rotating. I also wear sturdy boots to insure good walking traction with the mower. I really don’t want to risk tipping a tractor with the high potential of serious injury and damage to the machine.
Good video! Um, I'd do the worst parts of that ditch with a weedeater. I also noticed that the Kubota is quieter! Not really sure how that works, seein's how the JD has a composite hood and sides; I thought it would be the quieter one. Maybe in the exhaust or muffler? They do sound very similar, one's just louder. Also surprised on the fuel consumption- I thought it would be a tie. The numbers work out with what I have on my 1025R though.
We have watched this series several times just for the entertainment and info! The first time, I thought, “Tim has gone all Hollywood on us with the green and orange graphics editing “ then I realized you were using a paint can!
Ha! Yea, we used a paint can. Went out of our way to find GREEN and ORANGE! Then, we did use graphic editing for the thumbnail. ....but we made the image full screen and measured with a ruler to make sure we had the two images to proper scale! No trickery here :-)
I had a mahindra c27 compact tractor man it was a strong little tractor even though 2 wheel drive a five foot boxblade would fill up amd it had no problem moving it because it was gear driven can you compare a jdcompact to a mahindra compact thank you ,you have a good channel
Few comments
#1. Turning radius....I would have been very surprised if the BX won that . My 1025 turns as tight or tighter then my Craftsman lawn tractor.
#2. In the “DIP” ....looks like (from the video) both tractors didn’t want to be there.
#3. The BX clearly won the fuel consumption test....my question is what was the RPM on each machine?
#4. Noise level.....a little means a lot....BX wins
#5. Maybe on the FEL, do an Idle lift test, 2000 RPM lift test and a WOT lift test with both? (I bet the JD wins the idle test....)
Best videos I’ve seen in ages....keep going!
#3 wide open throttle on each. Apparently I neglected to say that!!! Sorry
The idle on the Deere engine is higher, this is why it lifts at idle. If you run the BX at the same rpm.. it also lifts
My BX has a shake/rattle on extreme side slopes as well. I also find it concerning.
You can adjust your turning stop on the Kubota. Down on your axle. So you can make a tighter turn. I don’t know if John Deere has that to?
BX owner, with the steering rods in front the boots tend to fail, replaced mine with upgraded aftermarket for about $30.
The steering boot on my 1025R failed after 400 hours and had to be replaced. I do a lot of landscaping and put the failure down to clay/dirt build up around the steering boot.
Another refreshing, unbiased video. Thanks! I get pucker factor doing the side of my sand mound on my 1023E, but every time I pick up the 60" deck I'm reminded how much weight is just above the ground, lowering the COG. (Advantage Deere with the thicker deck?) One place I can regularly scalp is the corner of my sand mound. If I approach it so the wheels straddle a corner it'll scalp rounding the top. Regarding fuel usage, did you happen to notice what RPM the 2 engines were running to get the proper PTO RPM? Thanks again for the time you and your family put in to educating us.
PS: Wonder what the pucker factor was at Good Works as they were watching you do this to their tractor? :)
D Rowe. What about this review has been unfair? Being fair is not related to what tractor one owns. Rather it is related to one’s character. If I have been unfair, please explain how and why.
So far, your comments have been quite biased. You assert Yanmar engines are bad, without any evidence.
I know you have a Kubota. That is fine: Kubota’s are great tractors.
I just saw the need for some real world testing.
You have seen the turning radius test, and the lift test. You haven’t debated those. Rather, your comments are 1) Yanmar engines (without stating any evidence showing that Yanmar is not quality), 2) Kubota is better...with no data. And 3) Tim is biased.
Folks can see through this type of stuff.
I'm curious if at 12:36 front weights would help with traction on the front end. I have no idea, I've owned my 1025R for a year so just throwing out ideas.
great info... Have you thought about adding snow removal test??
It is September :-) Not sure how we would perform such a test.
Just a word of caution when using a wrench or socket on the "pulley" side to loosen the blades. I tried that on my Kubota ZD 221-54" deck and it only loosened the nut on the pulley and did not loosen the blade. I use my impact or the "board trick" you mentioned. Great video overall.
Uhoh. sounds like I gave bad advice there.
@@TractorTimewithTim how about just "less experienced advice" lol
Another awesome video...my property has a lot of hills, so this was appreciated 👍 Not sure if I like the hydraulics in front of the axial on the BX 🤔
There really not a problem iv had my bx for over a year now and iv been using it to clear my property of buckthorn and downed trees the only problem iv had are the boot seals on the tie rods I have found an aftermarket replacement for them but yet to put them on
While the deere used more fuel than the BX, i have found that my Deere sips fuel compared to my cub Cadet RTZL Zero Turn honda engine using gas.... 2 Acres on the Cub would be about 2.5 gal, on the deere would be a subjective 2gal(Estimated, aka, 2-3 cuts with the Deere, where I would fill the cub every cut)
Have you tried the 2038R on that slope? Just curious because I own one and thinking about getting the deck for it but I have a few steep hills to mow. Great channel!!!
I don't think I have tried the 2038r on that slope...should do so...good idea.
Thanks for the informative videos. I would like to have any information you have as far as raising the deck up for blade maintenance or cleaning. I have a Massey Ferguson which has no provisions like the Deere deck to attach to the loader. Thanks in advance.
Not sure I have any helpful info. Sorry!