THE MORNING - This Ain't Grandma's Nespresso Machine
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- čas přidán 11. 07. 2024
- It may not come as a surprise that capsule coffee machines have never really been on my radar. That is until I heard of the Morning machine. It boasts some features that seem better suited to top of the line espresso machines; like pre-infusion, blooming, automatic volumetric, and three phase pressure control. This ain't your grandma's Nespresso machine.
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I've got this machine. It's fantastic. Real espresso is simply out of the question due to disability, even filter coffee isn't a viable option. The fact I can press a button to have a coffee, press another to make it clean itself allows me to have coffee at all. But typical Nespresso wasn't appealing as it's simply the cheapest possible machine with the cheapest possible coffee. This machine makes good coffee from good beans. Not really espresso but it's the next best thing and allows someone like me to explore a variety of roasts and flavours whilst exploring how the different temperatures and settings change the flavour.
Before my options were Red Bull or vile Nespresso. Now I've got coffee I'd rather drink than Red Bull. The fact that the machine is so cheap (for a coffee machine) is a completely secondary benefit.
I like the concept of making "specialty" coffee available for everyone. You shouldn't have to get a new, horribly expensive hobby just to enjoy a great cup of coffee. But the usual still applies: the coffee is more important than the machine. If everyone buys the best coffee they can get, we all profit from it. This machine looks like its targeted to a very niche group out of a niche group. This group I'd call the "I don't want to have all the equipment but all the control"-group. And while its certainly a great starting point for a lot of people, once you get into all the options of this machine, you're already beyond the capsule stage. I think there is a lot of potential tho. I loved the function that roasters input their recipes into the software and since they are the ones grinding it, you get the result they want (if you use the correct water haha). Where else do we have this? no dialing in, no comparing taste notes from the label to the cup, no not very accurate recipes on a bag. Just insert a capsule, select the correct roaster and you're good to go. Thats really exciting
You missed a group, people who don't have the time or effort towards making a real espresso but still want the options and the experience. That's a pretty huge market. Students would be a big set, you can't really do puck prep on a desk in your room and you certainly can't go out to clean everything afterwards. Other friends want good coffee in the morning before work but don't have the time to prepare then to clean. Poking one button fixes that issue too. Or myself, disability prevents me from even having filter coffee despite all the time in the world to waste yet I can press the button and the machine is clean. Then the idea that you can have a larger variety of flavours open without having multiple bags going stale, that you've got individual doses inside a nitrogen filled container staying fresher for longer, that's also very appealing.
It's a pretty huge market if you consider the amount of people who could love good coffee and might want to explore the huge variety of flavours but don't want to add the entire long routine into getting a cup of coffee. Even my local speciality shop doesn't have the flavours I regularly explore. Though obviously the machine still won't do real espresso so it's not quite perfect. That said a lot of people I've spoken to would want it to replace a filter brewer or aeropress so that's often not even a problem.
Appreciate the review and your honest but open views on the broader aspects of coffee, thanks Spromey.
I’m not ever going to be in the market for something like this however, this rabbit hole we all find ourselves in is simply not for everyone, I’m not even entirely convinced that all of its for me and I’m constantly reevaluating what I expect to get from a cup of coffee, most people just want their fix and ideally get it hassle free.
At the end of the day, if it gives consumers easier access to great coffee then I’m all for it, but there’s no way that putting a capsule into a slot and pressing brew will ever compare to the excitement of seeing a pre order lot of say abu Gesha .becoming available at your favourite roaster and having to wait a week or two before getting that fresh bag of beans and opening them for the first time.
Bought one for my daughter for her college dorm room. Where she wants to entertain friends and not go through the long process of a traditional espresso machine. I honestly think it makes a better, consistent, although weaker shot, then 90% of third wave coffee shops produce (100% in her university town)….While not truly specialty coffee, I would label it a crowd pleaser
Absolutely, definitely a great dorm room, break room, piece. It’s on my list for my parents come the next holiday for sure. Thanks for sharing your experience!
@@Sprometheus it also makes me curious on how the illy capsule machines taste like
@@donh1572 I know absolutely nothing about them, haha. I remember seeing them and Nespresso did some kind of deal while back.
@@Sprometheus hate to admit this, but I tried the illy nespresso capsules on my daughters machine and actually found it pleasing. Once again not specialty espresso. But definitely better then most cafes. Matter of fact, if cafes can’t be bothered dialing great shots, they might as well serve nespresso instead of serving us the bitter or sour concoctions they pulled
Once I got my Cafelat robot I gave away my Nespresso Virtuoso machine. I can make an espresso in about 5 minutes from start to finish. No warm up needed on a machine. Put a little water in the kettle, turn it on, grind and tamp, add water and boom espresso. I am also concerned about the waste. It was nice that nespresso gave you a bag to recycle.
Hey there that espresso glass really caught my eye. Mind sharing where you got it? It’s beautiful
I started with Nespresso for a number of years before moving to an Espresso machine. It makes a decent cup of coffee. I would call it magical. The capsule insert is from its side and the grounds are loose inside the capsule. I have to believe there is channeling. They claim 15 bars of pressure. As someone new it sounded great. Now I know 9 bars is normal. Who is to say the 15 bars occur only in the first few seconds. Then there is the crema. James Hoffmann proved the crema in the newer centrifugal machines is air not carbon dioxide. Quite likely true for the original machines. Nespresso made a machine that can magically produce consistent results despite the flaws.
Well worth it in order to introduce people to something equivalent to espresso. Hopefully people will eventually discover what a real espresso machine can produce.
Yeah I think this machine may be an intermediary between Nespresso and a true espresso machine, but it’s at least a step in the right direction as it uses specialty coffee and not commodity grade beans bought and roasted in mass.
The crema from an original machine is much closer to traditional crema from a real espresso machine. The reason the virtuo machines "crema" is mostly air is because it uses the psychotic spinning technique to extract the coffee as opposed to pressure. The original line does use pressure.
@@JamesNestaCirrito I believe they fill the capsules with nitrogen. Reading numerous sources it may not even be the nitrogen. The crema is fake even with the original.
Thanks for making this video. I have an idea for a future one that I think could be fun;
Similar coffee products with a great price difference.
For example, $30 vs $300-400 scales, it would be nice to hear your thoughts on the acaia lunar ($225 usd) vs the Maxus brew scale ($23 usd) or like I said a similar pairing of differently tiered products surrounding coffee.
Those types of super high cost vs relatively low cost shoot outs tend to be informative and fun to watch when done right 🙂
4:55
“There’s really no wrong way to getting into it “
The pun is spot on.
It would seem that the inherent problem with capsule machines is pre-ground coffee. Grinding and filling reusable pods seems like a good way to control for that, but then the convenience factor is lost, and it's probably less work (and likely a better result) to do a pour over.
Although I have an espresso machine I wouldn't mind having one of these for a busy morning/day.
Thanks for the upload sir. Quality and to the point as usual. Always appreciate your videos.
Thank you my friend! And absolutely, I’m 100% with you. It makes a great after dinner machine when I’m too full and lazy to make coffee haha.
Try cometeer coffee.
@@canucklostintheusa5306 I’ve done two videos on Cometeer, I’m a fan.
@@Sprometheus Great vids. They really do a great job for a quick cup in the morning for those early meetings and I can still enjoy that complexity of a light roast without the process of pour over/espresso prep. Recyclable capsules and they showcase different roasters allowing newbies to try different coffee varietals and different roasters.
I have a Rancillio Silvia that I used for years, upgraded with an Auber PID. I enjoyed the ritual for a while but the whole process of dialing in a new roast and the time it took (~30 minutes) to get the group head properly up to temp, then grind, tamp, pull shot, cleanup started getting old. I got a Morning Machine for its convenience as well as ability to control variables such as temp, pre-infusion, and pressure profile. I use Colonna capsules along with their recipes and they are excellent, the results are good enough. I have also tried Artizan and others including Voila (RIP), but I prefer Colonna. There are a number of high quality capsules available. At this point I’m not chasing perfection, just a great tasting, convenient shot. In my opinion, it’s the closest you can come to a Decent capsule machine at the moment.
I have one of these machines and it ticks two boxes, when I want the convenience of a capsule machine I have that, even Nespresso caps but also caps of different specialty coffees from a wide array of specialty roasters who are continually refining their capsule products to improve the process. Secondly one can buy any whole bean specialty coffee, grind it fresh, and brew using reusable capsules (morning recommend Evergreen reusables). To those who are troubled by the environmental issues around aluminium (recyclable) or biodegradable capsules I’d point out that the environmental impact of drinking any coffee but especially small estate coffees is pretty huge so it seems a bit selective to worry about the capsules and not worry about the bigger issues which surround coffee.
I own a Morning machine and prior to that I used to be one of those 20 grams, 2:1 ratio, espresso drinkers... Didn't even understand who would want to drink a single shot espresso voluntarily?🤣
I must say I am very pleased with what I get in a cup with Morning! It doesn't come close to those thick creamy full-body espressos, but I kinda like that I can have 4-5-6 coffees a day and not overdose with caffeine 😄
Also the fact that I can buy capsules from literally everywhere around the world and it will be as fresh as it could is kinda cool! Recently got the Funky capsules from Doubleshot (Czech Republic) and I was blown away by how rich and flavourful that capsule was! Highly recommend to try it!
If you are someone who wants to drink specialty coffee, but you don't want the hustle and bustle of learning how to prepare it properly, I highly recommend you to try Morning ☕
That thing is awesome. Nespresso done right haha
Haha as good as it gets that’s for sure!
If the morning machine could take capsules that were self filling I could see myself perhaps recommending them to friends who want good coffee without going down the rabbit hole that I have with the serious home setup. I agree 100% with the throw away capsules being the biggest issue and turn off. Being able to source locally roasted coffee (buying it pre-ground) would be not only better tasting and more economical but also environmentally responsible. I'd like to have a simple option to recommend to friends/family for making their own good coffee at home. This might be promising.
Since its Nespresso pod compatible you should be able to use any of the reusable pods available for them on the market.
Thanks for not immediately dismissing nespresso/capsule machines like a lot of coffee snobs. Great video as always
For sure, maybe a few years ago I would’ve turned my nose up at the proposition of this machine, but as I’ve matured as a coffee lover I’ve come to appreciate it in most of its forms, respect what people like and enjoy. I don’t ever want to gatekeep someone’s coffee.
@@Sprometheus this is why you’re one of my favourite coffee channels. Keep up the good work 🙏
@@matthewdegroot1985 will do, thank you for the kind words!
@@Sprometheus yes second their comment, I do enjoy your content because it's understandable and I feel like I don't need to know aton of coffee science to enjoy the videos. I do find them enjoyable as someone who's been into specialty coffee for like 1½ year
I've been against capsule coffee since the capsules seem to fly in the face of creating less waste for the environment. Also, how fresh can the coffee be if you aren't grinding it yourself just before brewing it?
I do like tying the machine functions to smartphone apps. I'll wait until a creative company does this with an inexpensive machine with enough pump pressure to produce a quality espresso. My Mr. Coffee ECMP50 works fine (for about 2 years) and would be a decent candidate. There are others.
Do their capsules fit a nespresso originaline machine? Their form factor looks the same.
Haven’t tried the Morning Machine but have used other Nespresso machines. They serve a purpose but are definitely not a replacement for a prosumer espresso machine etc.
Thank you.
For sure, they definitely aren’t a direct replacement, but an interesting concept none the less.
@@Sprometheus - Which of the various capsules that you tried did you dislike the least?
@@cheekster777 haha interesting way of putting it. I actually thought the One & Only from Morning’s own roastery was the tastiest of the group.
@@Sprometheus - Thanks for always replying and have yourself a wonderful weekend, my friend. 😉
What is the EY% app you're using with your Atago?
That’s called Optimal Extraction, it’s pretty useful since I don’t want to fumble about with formulas and calculators.
@@Sprometheus Looks great, unfortunately no Android version.
Have you tried those reusable pods? You can grind your own coffee and put them into the capsules. I’ve never tried them, as pods aren’t my thing. But since you have this machine, it might be worth a test.
I haven’t, but I am curious about them. I may see if I can get some and load my own.
I'm also really curious about them. Given the price (Under $400) and the feature set (PID, flow and pressure profiling), if you could use freshly ground coffee from any roaster with good results, well this would be less "an overpriced Nepresso machine" and more "a Decent that can only pull single shots." But that is rather a huge if.
@@Sprometheus I don’t know how good they are, but I’ve seen them hanging on the sides of the grocery isles in Walmart.
Is this a paid/sponsored review?
I like your videos Sprometheus. But with videos like this there I think we need transparency on whether you paid for this machine yourself, or if it is a paid review etc.
I can think of a few people who would benefit from a machine like this. They like the idea of specialty coffee but don't necessarily have the time or desire to spend hours delving into its depths.
It would definitely be a good fit there. And the nice thing is, you can kind of dip your toe into the depths when you want to. Being able to dial-in capsules is new ground for sure
Neat to see better capsules. Nespresso capsules are terrible. It got me into this hobby though. So thanks Nestle!
I was expecting it to be $500+ but if you arent too picky about coffee i guess this is a good machine
Looks perfect for B&B and office. Is there a reusable capsule option?
Since its Nespresso pod compatible, you should definitely be able to use the reusable pods
Personally I enjoy the ritual of making my coffee by hand, however I wouldn't mind this for early mornings when I just want a cup to go. However, where I think this product misses it's mark, is the price point. I looked on their website and it's $375 for a capsule machine, the current cost of a Keurig machine is $50 and a Nespresso is $150, I think consumers aren't willing to pay that much for a machine that does pods. I know for me I would love this and be willing to pay the price for features and knowing I can get a relatively good faux cafe experience. However I think most people won't want to buy this because most people aren't into specialty coffee and want something simple to use and doesn't require them to do much analysis of the coffee they drink. I think if we want to really have capsules and capsule machines have a place in specialty coffee we need to have more specialty coffee capsules available to the consumer rather than machines.
I prefer the process of making espresso but this would be perfect if I was late for work and didn't have time to get my caffeine in
I would like a beam to cup machine to have this level of control. The real issue for me is that the choice of coffee would be limited no matter what the company say,also the environmental one as well. I don't like to have additional stuff needed to be recycled.
I wonder if it'd work with fillable pods
It should, it’s compatible with Nespresso so it should work with refillable Nespresso pods.
Thumb up for this machine from me also. Morning routines on my espresso machine just don't work for me. Heat up time, grinding, puck prep, milk steaming... while being sleepy, grumpy and in a rush.
Yeah it’s definitely a great morning rush machine!
you would be better off with something like a Jura that has a build in grinder and can do everything for you instead of an espresso machine.
Nespresso gets you half way there for less money.
How does it compare to a superauto espresso machine? Cheaper, but that’s the real competition.
One thing that the coffee snobs forget is that not everyone can use an espresso machine. i’ll stick with my Nespresso and Bluecups
I can see why these companies, and the roasters that produce specialty coffee pods, think there's a market for a higher-end pod machine. But, like for those single-use pourover bags specialty roasters have been producing, there's no getting around the fact that this is pre-ground coffee. Like, weeks or months ago pre-ground. I would take a LOT of convincing to spend good money on pre-ground coffee.
just wanted to say that not changing frame rate from shot to shot works better imho
Or maybe you don’t notice it. I shoot all the coffee in 4k60 and me talking in 4k23
@@Sprometheus I could swear on coffee messiah hoffmann on this that it's all 60 :D
@@Sprometheus Looks fine to me. Thanks for the video!
I like the no fuss factor, for some coffee, quick and easy. The love, the passion, the romance for all things coffee
Genuine Question: do the capsules all have that signature burnt taste that Nespresso machines produce?
Not these ones, that burnt flavor from your standard Nespresso is the dark roast inside.
@@Sprometheus Nespresso has many variants, not just dark roast. That's from 10 years ago.
Coffee needs to be freshly roasted and ground that’s the key the rest is noise🤷♂️
I just bought one for my grandma so.....
Disclaimer?
The problem with capsule is it only has around 5g of coffee grinds per capsule
If this amount of controllability were built into a consumer espresso machine I would definitely consider, but never nespresso capsule machine 🙁
There are plenty of espresso machines with these features, it’s just kind of wild to see it with a capsule machine. And yeah, it is Nespresso compatible, but not technically a Nespresso machine. It’s made by a complete different company with a specialty focused vision.
@@Sprometheus totally agree, but in what price range do I need to buy espresso machines in order to get these features? 🙂
@@paviaaPS3 way more than what this costs, the morning is $350USD, a pressure profiling machine is like $1500+ USD
You can add pressure profiling to many machines via simple dimmer mod if you’re handy though.
@@Andrew-wp1bz I just can’t find a good dimmer here in Denmark
Might sound harsh but if it's not freshly grounded coffee in my cup, I'm not interested. Would love to have it at the office tho.
What problem does this solve? It just feels like gatekeeping at this point.
Not following how this is gatekeeping, it’s essentially the opposite.
And this solves one major problem with Nespresso in my mind, the coffee. Which for Nespresso is commodity grade and likely allows them to underpay at origin to the farmers. Specialty coffee on the other hand is better not only in quality, but allows farmers to make more money per pound.
If you like it with milk and sugar, capsules are the way to go
It's still a capsule machine.
Unless you're using reusable capsules, on principle alone, no.
Edit: Commented before you hit on the same points. Probably should comment after watching the WHOLE video.
as long as the capsules are not plastics that cannot be processed, I dont see any issues.
@@Cenot4ph I agree, you don't see the issue.
Capsules/pods are the coffee equivalent of a cling wrapped peeled apple. It's a solution to a problem that didn't exist. An answer to a question asked by a marketing department, but not by coffee drinkers.
Sure, one could make an argument for them but it'd probably be a bad one.
Switch to a dynamic mic. Less room noise.
Sure, go ahead and buy me one.
@@Sprometheus Ok! I’m thinking Rode PodMic + Focusrite Scarlett. PM me with a delivery address and I will send it via Amazon!
Your material is so good, it is a crime to compromise its sound quality!
I mean it's cool but 600 bucks for a capsule machine? The thing about them is that anyone can afford a capsule machine and it's conveniant and ok taste. This is the price of good entry level semi auto and I don't want to know what the capsules cost.
Well the cost depends where you are and how it translates to the Singapore dollar. In the US it’s $350ish, which is less than most of your average entry level espresso machines.
@@Sprometheus Ah okay, I checked from EU and it was 570 USD. Well cool it exists but not for me.
Next machine to litter the planet
Yeah, the waste produced is the major downfall of instant and pods, some are biodegradable and most are recyclable, but they relies on the end user and their local recycling abilities.
my god, you people never cease to amaze me. Complain with everyhing, but in the meantime also produce waste left right and center. This attitude destroys the planet, not the waste.
Something I can't quite grasp...
Every third or fourth post mentions Nespresso and how people hate them; the evil behind Nestlé and I don't know what else. Don't get me wrong - I'm not a Nespresso rep (😆😆), but people make idiots of themselves; showing how uninformed they actually are.
Most people here would probably tell you they just LOVE Häagen Dazs ice cream. Well, good for them; glad they like it... Hope they slam Häagen Dazs just as hard as Nespresso; both just being different labels to the same company.
They moan and groan about the evil sitting behind Nespresso/Nestlé...but even without knowing it - keep adding fuel to the tank that keeps the fire burning 😆
Don't mess with Nespresso🤬🤬
nespresso is just never going to be able to reach the complexity of actual espresso, you'll get 50% there and you'll have the convenience to make it quick.
Looks like a perfect way to get you going, before you are allowed to use a proper setup. 😂
Get over the "capsule waste" issue. Far less waste and with Nespresso capsules totally recycled.
it's the typical attitude we've come to expect in this day and age, everything produces waste we just need to find ways to deal with it better.
The waste really does bug me. So does the waste from coffee bags which is why I started roasting. There are fully compostable bags out there. But nearly nobody uses them. Other than the boxes for shipping, my guess is that these aren't that much more wasteful than your ever day coffee bag
The biggest issue is the costs of compostable and biodegradable options is so much higher, for most small roasters that cuts deeply into an already small profit margin. The major shift needed is making things that are more sustainable more reasonable cost wise, just look at most cafes that charge extra for alternative milks.
@@Sprometheus yup, I have a small roasting company but I'm still using those bags. Similar to paying fair wages, it really should be a requirement. Increasing bag price by $0.40 will take care of that. $0.40 was very noticable when specialty coffee was $10 a bag. Not so much now.
@@Sprometheus I really think it's more that the mass market coffee is too cheap and the bags that aren't sustainable are too cheap. Specialty, actual fair trade coffee isn't too expensive. It's what it should cost. It's the other stuff that's too cheap
relax, everything has waste. We just need to worry about how to process it properly.
@@Cenot4ph While we figure that out, we're busy perpetually making the problem worse. There's already an answer to this problem...
Seems like a classic "falls between two stools" idea...Too much fiddling around for the convenience over quality crowd who like to believe a fancy box with expensively packaged pods = "The best coffee" for no effort and the "real coffee" crowd will dismiss it as just an expensive fancy pod machine with some superficial control over the brew. Will compete with the Breville/Sage creatista machine for those that like expensive versions of such machines to chase clout.
Those things do not make proper coffee, in fact most of the coffee is disgusting. When is the last time you pulled a 5 gramme shot? How much did each coffee cost and you said it they create a lot of waste. What kills me is you using that machine with a Linea in the background.
If it's not freshly roasted coffee then it's crap. I wouldn't get this machine even for free.
Looks and feels like and ad more than a review. . . Cmon man, those pours looked weak and disgusting.
I just don’t get it. Why not get a DeLonghi all-in-one? Use any coffee bean you want, it’s freshly ground, and it’s a “one touch” solution. This needs to be marketed to shame and shutdown the entire capsule industry.
True. Beans to Cup machined are phenomenal but high start up cost :(
You dont get it, but some people like the convenience and have this over bean machines.
@@Cenot4ph what is the convenience of a capsule machine over a superautomatic?
@@Lorenzo1972. long shelf life, and easier to operate
@@Cenot4ph Superautomatics require a single button push - and rather than drink something with a long shelf life (no such thing - you mean stale) you can drink coffee that was roasted fresh. There is zero benefit to capsules over super-automatics other than initial price. In under two years, you’ll make that money back by paying half as much for your coffee (the markup of coffee in a capsule is 2x over whole bean coffee). Honestly - someone like Sprometheus or James Hoffman should take on the challenge to kill the capsule industry. Like really…talk about something that is an utter waste of the planet’s resources when there is a better alternative that is just as easy.
Huh, this sounds like a sales
Pitch. 5-7 grams of coffee in a probably $1 pod when the average double shot is 18gr now a days, this sound like a joke and its nothing more than a glorified nespresso machines… just my thought
Why waste all of this impressive technology on capsules? Sell a version with a an actual portafilter (even a 39mm one like the Flair Classic) and I'd probably buy one just out of curiosity. I'd even be willing a 100 bucks more for this poor-man's-Decent-wannabe.