Himbo: Best Trope? Redefining Gender Expectations
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- čas přidán 18. 06. 2020
- Spoilers: Kronk's New Groove, SPOP, Onward
Notes: Everyone's a critic! Seriously, though, this is my cringiest video, sorry!
*Please know SPOP's creator is ND Stevenson, he/him! This is an old video. - Krátké a kreslené filmy
"Adora is a herbo" youre right and your brain is huge
Don't you just call that 'bimbo' since himbo is a derivative of that...or am I sexist?
@@Laroling I think it's because the term was derived from Bimbo, but Bimbo is itself a pretty sexist term. As it generally just means "A very dumb, very pretty girl". "Herbo" is trying to say the modernized version of that... so it's a woman who is tough, kinda dumb, attractive, but ultimately very kind and likable. Where as "bimbo" just a slightly less rude way of calling a woman dumb, and not really a word any woman is too keen to reclaim. lol
as first ones historiAns
@@ThrottleKitty actually, like himbo being recontextualized into a positive light, I’ve seen many women reclaim the term bimbo in the same way. Like embracing femininity to the fullest and exhibiting the positives of womanhood through hot pink heels, full face of makeup, and a kind disposition. Think Charlotte labouff or Elle woods, even cat valentine. That’s a bimbo
So is Scorpia and you can fight me on that lol
A wise person once said: A himbo has to be strong, dumb, and kind.
Strong and dumb?, that's just a jock
Strong and kind?, that's just a hunk
Kind and dumb?, that's just a decent man
a wise person on tumblr, i see
A very wise agreyeyedgirl?
It don't get why the last part is gendered tho x)
@@Kino_Cartoon it specifically said himbo instead of thembo :]
@@Kino_Cartoon Well in general the term for mankind is shorten as man kinda due to how English is making "fellow [man]" a gender neutral term.
“Sans is a himbo” wasnt the take I was expecting, but I agree wholeheartedly
I always thought of Papayrus as the himbo. My take is that sans is too smart/observant to be a himbo tbh
@@secretshark5710 Yeah I feel that too, while Sans is certainly lazy and can act like a dumbass. Him being a dumbass is more like a front than anything. If there is any archetype that he plays its certainly a class clown. Papyrus however is a full dumbass himbo all the way.
@@mewbusi yes!! There's a good video by overly sarcastic productions called "crouching moron, hidden badass", and I think it describes sans' character pretty well. Like, he's totally cool and chill...
Unless?
@@mewbusi also HIMBO/HERBO & BIMBO/HIMBIM RIGHTS YALL
@@secretshark5710 he got the energy tho
I'm a lesbian, but I love himbos so goddamn much. They're so cute.
Same here, I’m overall uncomfortable with men (due to trauma) but they make me feel safe I don’t feel like I have to be careful around them and they’re really nice and fun
they are really huggable i love them
I remember someone saying "lesbian and her emotional support himbo" was a troop, and its a case where life imitates art bc i told my friend about it and she agreed whole heartedly, citing another friend and a Male friend of her wife as examples of it
In conclusion lesbians and himbos are iconic duos in both media and irl
Same but ace.
emotional support himbos.....better version of the old gay "£@# #@&"
"Po from Kung Fu Panda is a himbo" I say. The crowd boos. I walk away in shame to the sound.
A voice demands silence, "He's Right!" They say.
I look back to the crowd to find the voice's source and in the 5rd row stands Jack Black Himself.
this gave me whiplash. but like a good whiplash
This is such a good comment you have no right bringing such art into the world
5rd
They hate him for he speaks the truth
Po is a himbo. I find him attractive LOL so is Barley tho
JFK, clone high - big himbo
I thought he was a dickhead though (don’t hate I haven’t watched the show, only been told about it)
@@protopixellol Oh damn never mind then!
I think JFK should be categorized as a new subcategory of Himbo, perhaps a Jock Himbo? A... Himjock? Alongside Steve Harrington for example.
I watched a video comp about jfk being a himbo right before I watched this one lmao
@@oofi422 nah, he's a himbo that fits with the older definition as opposed to the newest one
Have you seen the commercial where He-man and Skeletor dance to "Time of my Life" It has the biggest himbo energy ever.
Yes .
You can’t just say this and leave those without this knowledge no link. so please, leave a link. you coward
@@billgreen8359 i got you fam czcams.com/video/-PgTjhx1VLw/video.html
I haven't seen that one, but I do love the He-Man version of "What's Up" by 4 Non-Blondes.
Does anyone know this show 1:22
My mother likes Thor and after a few seconds i realized that my father acts and looks like a himbo. My mom married a himbo!
your mother is lucky.
this comment made me realize my dad is also a himbo omg
love that for her
This reminded me of when my friend & I realized that most of the guys who made great dads were… himbos lol.
I told my grandma ab himbos and now she's insisting rose from golden girls is a himbo
Wait though... she’s kind of right
Sweet disposition, can be imposing when riled, certainly not book smart but has a lot of folksy wisdom and always willing to lend an ear or shoulder if you need it.
Thembo confirmed.
Well hmm
Nah, the best male archetype is definitely the Jimbo.
-Has robot dog.
-Doesn't need oxygen when flying into space.
-Peanut shaped head to hold big brain.
-Has Neutron style.
we all make mistake in the heat of passion jimbo
Looks like your going to the shadow realm
This thread is a brain blast from start to finish.
I thought this was about the bully from the Simpsons and was very confused until I recalibrated.
Jimbo is whole some and smol,
I was not ready for Sans as a himbo. If anyone is a thembo in undertale, it's Undyne or Papyrus. Crackheaded enough to burn down the house while making pasta, Strong enough to suplex a boulder just because she can, and Respectful enough to lead the Royal Guard. Papyrus is dumb enough to let the human escape his puzzles every time, sweet enough to befriend you even after you beat him half to death (fighting then sparing), and super tall and quite a formidable boss for early players.
Also Goku is pure himbo.
GOKU YES i would also say his son too but that's up to interpretation
Papyrus is def a himbo lol
Papyrus: **Casually leaps out of window**
Yeah, that sounds about right.
Lol
Papyrus is totally a himbo, trust me my name and pfp comes from pure love of the character lmao
To be fair, thembos are hella fun to write. My current project has a himbo as a supporting character and writing his dialog just... gives me life. As a Marvel fan, I apologize for the rabid ones. We try to keep them in check but they escape our yard from time to time. And I will confirm, Thor has strong himbo energy, especially in Ragnorok. They did him dirty in Endgame, you can't change my mind. Also, what show is the bottom right example in 10:27? I know where every other character that is from except that one and its bugging me. I'm also digging their character designs.
That sounds fun! Lots of dialogue options... and the show is carmen sandiego :)
Honestly i like endgame thor, it brings a new depth to his character.
Zack and Ivy, the protagonist's sidekicks from the Carmen Sandiego Netflix reboot.
I'm currently writing a book, and I've come to the realization I think I might be making characters a bit too serious. But I have a hard time finding ways to lighten the mood and the characters. Do you have any tips for writing thembos? I wanna be able to incorporate those traits into a few of my characters but I honestly don't know how.
@@goblinleigh6128 some tips
1) allow them to be wrong about stuff. But if you want to keep it lighthearted do it in like, the dumbest, lowest of stakes kind of way. They get a fact everyone knows about wrong, accidentally makes a malaphor, or says one word when they really mean to say another that just sounds REALLY close to what they actually said. Just keep in mind that their ignorance isn't supposed to be malicious. Think the "he's confused, but he's got the spirit" meme.
2) As well as the dumb energy, thembos have endearing qualities. Loyalty, kindness, empathy, stuff like that. The himbo from my project finds out the protagonist is gay and turns out to be very tolerant of protag's identity, and even tries setting the protag up with his crush. He's very "I don't completely understand it, but I don't have to to accept you" about it.
3) they don't have to be a complete dumbass at everything to be acceptable as a thembo. People in real life have their knowledge gaps, and its more true the more they specialize. My spouse works in library science- he's a very smart person and will sort and categorize and read up on any subject that strikes his fancy. That being said, until last week he was convinced cuckoo birds were fictional animals and I had to be the one to tell him otherwise.
I'll come and add more tips if I think of any, but that's all I got so far.
I can't believe you made a whole video about himbos and didn't mention George of the Jungle a single time smh
WAIT THAT WAS AN ACTUAL THING? I THOUGHT IT WAS A FEVER DREAM
George is the best himbo. I need to watch that again. ^.^
IM SO HAPPY YOU MENTIONED HIM
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@@mothxii5598 George of the Jungle 2 was the fever dream. The first one, that one was real.
It wasn't until therapy that I realized I was a himbo, that expressing my love and affection was something I needed to do to feel like me. While in school I wanted to be an art boy/soft boy but their inability to express themselves and convey their emotions always upset me. It wasn't until recently that I've found the term himbo and I've never related to anything more in my life. I'm glad kids will see these displayed in media because I just remember being a kid and wanting to be like handsome shrek. lmfao
I love this!! I’m glad the term resonates with you!
@@tallswordlady6642 I wanna feel. A blade on my wrist.
Well see, you are factually WRONG; Sans Undertale is NOT a himbo because he is actually quite intelligent and bright, not only that but it has been hinted that he knows how the mechanics of the world he is in works but chooses to joke a lot and act ignorant as a way of coping with the knowledge that no matter what he does he is not in control of his own life but is a mere pawn in a game.
Papyrus on the other hand fits quite nicely the definition of a Himbo and in tHIS ESSAY I WILL
I’m getting rightfully dragged all over the place for adding him! 😂 I never got far enough into undertale to realize he was acting but I wanted to add a example of a himbo in a game. Sam from Stardew probably would have been a better bet.
@@tallswordlady6642 oh yeah Sam, absolutely
I do believe himbos can have some amount of intelligence, BUT it has to be about something specific. For example, if we take Kronk, he is dumb BUT darn, is he good at cooking and speaking squirrel. He demonstrates intelligence in those specific subjects, see?
But yes, Sans is a bit too intelligent in general to fit the bill, if we take absolutely all routes into account. Unlike Papyrus, I'll have to admit to my own surprise.
In defense, I think the way Sans portrays himself in Pacifist is pretty himbo though.
And yes, he has some deeper lore behind him but come on.
@Alex Yordanov What? Are you saying he's a himbo or that he isn't? Because I have stated Sans isn't when Papyrus actually is, to my surprise, because I hadn't thought of the possibilty Papyrus is himbo up until now.
I saw a Tiktok where a woman talked about how the fact that a himbo wasn't very bright was appealing because it meant that they weren't always trying to prove themselves and get one up on you in a conversation (as opposed to the bimbo's lack of brightness which as far as I can tell is only appealing to toxic guys because it makes them more gullible and easy to manipulate [yikes]).
Himbos are men that are safe. They're big and strong, they're nice, and they're too stupid for that niceness to hide an ulterior motive.
I'm a massive fan of bimbos for the same reason, mainly bc I was a super cringey "not like everyone else" kid and, being in university for a STEM major, meet tons of them on a regular basis
I just want a pretty gf who wont look down on me for forgetting how to spell atom 😭😭😭
@@absolutetrash8118 I think they call that a herbo
The fact you're assuming one needs to be bright to be manipulative is dangerous. Also, intelligence isn't what makes people wanna prove themselves, it's insecurity. Just say you want an easy dude and move on, but accept that's probably why many men also enjoy bimbos. Not all-hell, not even most- men want bimbos because it's easy to manipulate them, but because it's easy to deal with them just as himbos are easy to deal with. Or get along with is a better, less insulting term. Or they are charming. Whatever the case may be. Don't just listen to tiktok, people don't go there to speak about human relationships because they're well.
@@chukyuniqul This is just a paragraph of projection. Sort yourself out
@@JakeFace0 oh nooo, I'm an insecure person who thinks dim but kind women are nice and easy to get along with, cast the stones to my head.
Or you assuming I'm dim and manipulative? Would warning that dim people can be frightfully manipulative not be against my interest, then?
Or is it that I'm not an easy person? I mean, fair's fair you got me there, and it's not something I or anyone else should be proud of but I'm still trying instead of going "if you don't like me at my worst...".
Or did you not even try to parse my comment so you just came up with a zinger so you could be proud of yourself?
C'mon, gimme a hint, I'll fully admit I'm really daft.
pink actually used to be a color more gendered towards masculinity, but i appreciate your point on he-man
For some reason I always think of that being like an earlier 20th century thing. I forget how long ago the 80s were! Thanks for the correction!
@@tallswordlady6642 Of course 'bright' has multiple levels of defintion, but that doesnt make
any text, theory or talk using that word invalid. Obviously.
Didn't that shift happen in the 1940s because gay men in Germany were marked with a pink badge? There's a *ton* of color gendered 80s stuff.
@person person same
I was an adult in the 80s. Straight men didn’t where pink.
lol yes Thor is the ultimate himbo and we love him for it
I didn’t even know what a himbo was I just assumed it was a more friendly chad-
I mean... you're not wrong.
Ok you're close
No no, you've got a point.
It actually IS Chad, how he was supposed to be at least.
I'd argue Starfire from the early 2000s teen titans is a herbo. She's insanely strong, not the brightest, and Incredibly kind.
She is my mom's favorite character on the show
And she likes Katara a lot too
i hope soos from gravity falls is in this
Yes! Soos is baker himbo energy
*major
@@yourmajestybee3088 even though I know this is a typo, Soos as a baker who is a himbo is *chef's kiss*
Lol yes I agree I imagine his amazing baked treats woudl be either amazingly delicious or make no sense at all or both lol it’s just like you said chefs kiss or even bakers kiss
@@yourmajestybee3088 how did the word major become baker 💀
I really appreciate the mentions of thembos- the whole trope is something that should really be accepted for all genders because of the way it redefines expectations for all. Good video! :-)
Tbh, it didn't even register that him I was a gender specific term. I guess my brain just associated it with the joke I it being an "acronym"
I think it's more obvious and effective when the them-bo is a him-bo though, just because men (especially big men) have the expectation of being aggressive. There can be other genders-bo, tho.
@@squidbro6635 bimbo is female version
@@nothuman3083 no, a bimbo is something very different
What I find funny is in most shows there’s always and thembo and the smart love interest (or if their not being written for a romantic relationship,the fans of the show ship them.) Ex-Korra/asami, catra/adore, marceline/bbg, sokka/suki.etc.
I'm personally insulted that you implied that Marceline and Bbg are not both dumbasses /hj
@@satirics7701 LMAO
Is this suggesting Korra is thembo? I really hate himbos so could explain another avenue for me but liking Korra even though I did really ship her and Assami
Knuckles the Echidna:
- strong
- dumb
- a nice guy
Guys, I think Knuckles is a himbo.
Knuckles post 2004 yeah
Hi!
1) Yes! I'm aware that the word bimbo exists but some people still think of it as an insult against women and not a parallel to himbos- and let's face it, they aren't synonymous yet. But I support the positive use of bimbo as well!
2) I know Sans isn' t a himbo (now!) I wanted a video game example but I'm not a #gamergirl and just went off of what I played w my brother. My bad!
I was just about to prescribe the word 'bimbo'! XD
I definitely agree, though! I hope to see the word get the same kind of positive shift as 'himbo'.
Lastly, my himbo of choice is Reyn, from Xenoblade. Big, gentle brute who's unashamed of the strength of his platonic male friendships, doing his best to support and not to stifle his own love interest's independence.
@@dragoncrescent Uh, one character where I would see a definitive positive shift of the word 'bimbo' would be "Aimee" from "Sex Education". She's definitely very far from booksmart, but she makes all the right decisions in important situations and doesn't let negative stuff get her down - she either reassesses or tries again and is very strong in that respect. She is someone who is simply not afraid of learning experiences and is really using them. My explanation feels very jumbled, but I really think she's a very positive character.
Sora from kingdom hearts is kind of a himbo
Yeah, I wouldn't say bimbo = female himbo; I would say bimbo usually is less focused on the "nice, friend, goofball" part and is nice, but more determined and very often more sexual (and especially there above the stigma about female sexpositivity and very self assured).
I never thought of sans that way but now I 100% see him as a himbo
I agree. Ragnarok is offical himbo movie.
Another himbo, although some people might disagree: Knuckles the Echidna, specifically in Sonic Boom. Definitely buff, dumb as a rock (and seems to be aware of that), but probably one of the sweetest members of the team (the French intro has him smelling a flower in his 5-7 second intro for crying out loud)
Another himbo: Kirishima from Bnha. One of the stronger characters in terms of physical strength, definite dumbass energy, and pretty much universally loved by the entire fandom because he's so nice and respectful. He really values chivalry as well, but it's not a gendered concept for him, he doesn't look down on the girls at all
I was thinking the exact fucking thing about Knuckles in Sonic Boom.
Also sometimes knuckles gets a stroke of intelligence and speaks straight fax for an entire minute
@@grunchchristmas we love feminist Knuckles xD
That explains why they're my favorites
@@irishuisman1450 Ironically, Knuckles has ‘high intelligence’ in the game version. It’s just that SEGA kinda fucked up 90% of its characters.
Sonic Boom does work, as it’s a different universe.
I’m glad that I found your channel. One small nitpick though: I think you underestimate how broad, grassroots social change can be more powerful than old, rich men at the top. If anything, companies tend to try to fit our pre-existing values instead of the other way around. Products, are often the results of tens of thousands of people working together; Investors, animators, writers, producers, distributors, all having a bit of a say in the process. That, in my opinion, is really what has driven social change all these years.
Cooper Wright ooh yes! Even if the people on top are allowing this change for their own monetary gain (always the $ lol) it’s at least an indicator that society and its norms are changing. And yeah- the people involved in creating the media (writers/animators, like you said) are the ones fighting for the change. Sorry if I came across pessimistic in the vid! :)
Let’s talk about the ultimate himbo: Detective Gumshoe from Ace Attorney
He’s also the human embodiment of “Trying his best”
You should know better than to bring him up in casual conversation, now his salary is getting cut again.
i was going to make a comment about Gumshoe if noone else did, THANK YOU i love him so muhc
A video of jfk brought me here
Lol same
I love the growing popularity of the word thembo. It makes my nonbinary self happy. I'm a smart thembo. I'm quite smart and clever but I give off dumbass energy a lot of the time.
Yes!! The new “dumbass energy” concept is so revolutionary despite being a meme
aye thembos unite! I too am a fairly smart person but I definitely give off major dumbass energy and then people get surprised when i’m not an actual idiot. It’s partially something I cultivate so I don’t intimidate people and have them think I’m pretentious/arrogant but it’s also something I can’t really help cuz I can be kinda scatterbrained from adhd lol
Avatar TLA was really ahead of its time when it came to pushing healthy male representation and fighting toxic masculinity. If you think about it, Ozai is kinda the embodiment of toxic masculinity, being completely unable to show weakness or emotion in any respect. Meanwhile, the other characters serve as antidotes to this kind of behavior. Sokka's arc is pretty directly about learning how to show weakness, respect others, and finding his own strengths rather than trying to be the embodiment of the strong male authority figure he's expected to be. Zuko's arc is about accepting and letting out his emotions in a healthy manner, with Iroh being there to guide him. Aang's strengths lie from his convictions and desire to help everyone, his emotions and pacifism is what ends up saving the world. When it came to gender representation, this show was really spot on, and did so much right, that a lot of other shows really didn't catch up to for a long time.
If you think that the Marvel version of Thor is a Himbo then you'll be happy to hear that he's even more of a himbo in Norse mythology
My favorite story is when he goes to challenge a giant only to basically be smacked down with every challenge thrown at him. And then he learns he actually did extremely well at the challenges and freaked out the giant who tells him never to come back.
The three requirements for being a thembo are "strong, dumbass energy, and sweetheart"
I always think of mister peanutbutter when I think of himbos. Very talented and multifaceted person, big dumbass energy
Edit: I also love the expansion of the unbimverse by including herbos, himbos, and thembos!!
Sans isn’t a Himbo he plays the part of a jester but even a surface glance should tell that he’s not actually like that. He uses it as a mask to disguise his pain and nihilism so that his brother and others can be more happy.
His brother is definitely one though.
Agreed. There's a reason Sans is the one who weighs our actions in the hall of judgement, a reason why he can remember wrongdoings from previous runs, and there's a reason people theorized that he was a scientist alongside Gaster. He acts like a dumbass, but he's honestly one of the smartest characters in the game.
Guys I think I'm a himbo
-big, large
-dumbass energy
-big heart
-overprotective
(Also please help I watched onward 8 times in the same week)
I don't think you need help, I applaud you for that, Onward is one of my personal favorites
Nothing to help you with my droog. Seems like you're on the right track.
Raphael is NOT just there. Raphael HAS FEELINGS.
Me: enjoying the video while drinking some orange juice, unsuspecting and invested
10:37 : shows Sans as an example
Me: *ducking chokes and dies*
Ah yes. Sans The Himbo.
I wouldn’t call Michelangelo not bright, in multiple cannons he’s shown to be the most gifted at martial arts, the creative arts and making friends. He’s not the most academic but he’s not not bright. Definitely still a himbo tho.
I think that's what they were trying to convey in the video. Himbos/thembos are often perceived as "not bright" simply because of their silly energy, but once one gets to know them better they learn they are much more intelligent then what they let on. That's the case with Mikey, he seems "not bright" because he's a goof but as the show progresses we see his talents and capabilities. Honestly I'm also glad this trope is getting much more positive and healthy because growing up I was often made fun of for being too nice and too silly and I was often underestimated because of that. Thankfully I tried real hard not to let it get to me and I have certainly grown and proven my wit lol 😆. I'd like to see a vid about small himbos/thembos because those that are small in stature may get treated differently. At least that's how I felt since I was always so small, and I felt it added more to the underestimation.
Mikey has pretty high EQ as well. He knows when his brother's need a hug.
Toph is A:TLA’s “thembo”. It was kind of her character’s joke that she was a himbo trope in the body of a little, blind girl.
Bolin has a lot of Himbo energy
Cyborg's best Himbo example, to me, is the fact that he can build a spaceship, but is enough of a bro with Beast Boy to understand his thought process and translate "Engage the Thruster Mechanism" to "Pull the Red Candy Cane Thingamawhosit." No one can change my mind.
I just watched that episode last night. I love Cyborg and BBs bromance!
Where have all the good man gone?
Where are all the dolts?
Where is the gentle idiot that gives great hugs?
Isn’t there a moron who is pure of heart and kind?
Late at night, I toss and I turn and I hope that I can find....
I NEED A HIMBO
Jesus christ what's wrong with you, what has tv taught you smart people can only be psychopaths?
@@ANTSEMUT1 Bro it's a parody of the song 'I need a hero' 😭
Jason from 'The Good Place'. He's so amazing, and for sure the most aware emotionally of the group.
Now should I feel glad to be a himbo? *Probably.*
Do I wish I was attractive? *Yes...*
fred in scooby doo mystery inc. was such a himbo i cant believe i never recognized it
“Herbo” girly- we already have that-
A “herbo” is literally just bimbo. Lol that’s where we got the word himbo.
I saw the word Himbo and immediately thought of kaito momota. I love him sm~✨
Luminary of my heart😭😭❤️❤️💓
BUT....GONTA. GONTAAAAAAAAAAA
@@scharky2144 ok, thats fair lmao
But personally I like kaito better 👀
Gonta and Kaito own my heart. Remember when gonta got hot for like 1 picture when he was carrying Himiko??😼👁👄👁
@@B0NEM4RROW Thats cool I like Kaito too but I've only seen one other person mention our lord and savior g o n t a
Regarding male sibling competition: In my experience, sisters are just as competitive as brothers. This is less a male thing than it is a people living together as they develop.
"If you like Thor, you like a himbo" and I have been caught red-handed
Himbos and thembos and herbos are weirdly peak ADHD rep for me.
Like, extremely smart(/skilled for the physical hyperactives out there) and still often very one brain cell and emotional can go very wrong into weird repression, superiority complexes and anger issues (esp in people socialized as boys, looking at you Dad) but himbos show you a better way to channel those things while simultaneously showing a character with your alleged flaws being loved and praised by the other characters for being the himbo they are.
🤮🤢 god don't do us ADHD people like that.
Ah yes, Sokka. The young man of the gAang that Azula actually respected enough to target first on every engagement, the creative and strategic genius that helped shift the tides of a centuries long war, the dumbass who full on chugged water from a cactus without thinking twice.
I feel like Steve from tales of Arcadia fits the himbo trope well,, he's literally the most jock character, but then he's actually pretty respectful with his single braincell,, like, he does stupid stuff that sometimes comes off wrong, but it's obvious that he always intends well
Yes! I was just gonna say that! Best himbo 100%
The body improvement club from Mob psycho 100
Jesse, MT, Min-Gi, and Ryan from Infinity Train
Knuckles, the Sonic Boom version
Are some of the ones that immediately pop into my mind
The body improvement club! 👌
"Adora is a herbo"
Not going to give Scorpia an honorable mention here? That girl absolutely *carried* Catra through her world conquest!
Also, I do think this is valuable to young boys in another, very important way. It teaches them that you *can* marry those traditional 'manly man' ideals of physical fitness, stoicism, honor and the ability to take charge to more modern concepts of self-care and healthy social relationships and that both can be valued in society at the same time which I think is super important for boys growing up in an age where their more traditional role models have been thoroughly deconstructed in the public eye.
Bolin from tlok is the first person i think of for himbo. He's the best character in tlok (tied with eska and pabu). and he is 1000% a himbo.
You're not taking constructive criticism? Too Bad!
Fembo flows off the tongue far better than herbo, which sounds like Herbert.
Toph has more thembo energy than Sokka.
I concede on that first one
I think it also highlights that drinking respect women juice gets you women. I know that's not the point and that it's mostly kids media, however, it's a direct counterpoint to the old messaging of (often also kid's) media where both gross 'nice guys' and gross 'bad boys' were heroes for manipulating girls, or the object they call girl, into liking them.
I think that's important when it comes to trying to make a direct 180 turn on things - using the measurement of the old (ability to get girls) to contradict the old.
Like yes, drinking respect women juice is not specifically to get women, but treating women as people needs to be modeled as something that allows women to feel safe with you.
It's funny because I'm a himbo yet no woman's been attracted to me even tho I respect women (not for ulterior motives, and also depends on the woman, I don't respect fascist, racist, pedophile, etc women). Women have even said they feel safe around me
I also have been exposed to people who obviously don't respect women yet women seem to like them. Guess life isn't that black-and-white, especially in media
Bolin from Legend of Korra is a textbook himbo, and one of my favorite characters of all-time
Bolin is a Himbo.
He's a himbo distilled to it's purest essence, then amplified.
Yes
Honestly, your examples were spot on. Good video!!
What about George of the Jungle ?!?
What about George ?? This man is perfect
My definition of a himbo has always been, someone who looks like they could pummel me into the ground a thousand times over, but has the heart and/or mind of a young child. It's not that they're not smart. They just have a simpler/purer way of thinking.
Sooo, grizzly teddy bear?
Amazing! And so many examples I could relate to to back up your points :)
Another point that Thor is a himbo is that he was SUPER JAZZED to meet Valkyrie, and as a young boy wanted to be a Valkyrie (which is only for top notch female warriors). I loved seeing the idea that boys/men can idolize women in a Marvel superhero movie
I like to think that it isn't just Soren that's a himbo, but the entire guard consists of him/her/thembos everrryyyywhere
“Yesterday, I had two eggs for breakfast, and I was starving. This morning, I had four eggs, and I’m stuffed! So tomorrow…”
“I get it, three eggs.”
“…I was gonna say two eggs and one sausage.”
Just realized every character in cartoons and anime that I’ve ever had a crush on has been a himbo. There’s just something really endearing about them that I can’t get enough of
Kronk has been my role model for a long time so its nice to see a vid deconstructing the things i love about him and his character trope. Good analysis in my opinion, ty for these 11 mins.
If you wanna see some quality himbos check out JoJo Part 4, (if you want to start watching you dont have to see parts 1-3, you can just start with part 4) but Josuke and Okayasu got the best bromance in all of anime
Not being bright is actually just being a bit clueless and lost in the actual moment but you can still be street smart, school smart, or situationally smart
Not to mention most himbos are emotionally intelligent and sensitive
imo, to be a thembo you gotta be Nice/caring, Big/at least a bit muscle-ish, AND a Dumbass. All three. If the character lacks even 1 of the 3, they're NOT a thembo, because they probably can fit into another category. But anyway, thats a nice thembo analysis you got there 👀👀
Good old Gumshoe from Ace Attorney is pure Himbo.
Also TIL I tend to mostly look up to himbos, nice!
yes yes yes himbo discussion needs more mentions of Gumshoe
This is a very good video essay. I feel very informed thanks for the lesson!
Before watching this video, I had never heard of a himbo before. I assume that it's a play on words of "bimbo"? In which case why does TallSwordLady say "herbo"?
Same question I had.
My best guess us that bimbo has...sexual connotations. It is like a whole kink/subculture
Pretty much the connotations, yeah. The word could probably be reclaimed but herbo is just what I’ve heard tossed around!
Bimbo is being reclaimed but in a very different way as bimbo is a heavily sexualized stereotype and is strongly connected to reclaiming the pink and fluffy type of femininity
I was called a himbo today, I feel a lot better about myself now! Thank you ☺️
Himbos are epic
Another fine example of a himbo: Launchpad McQuack
Ralph from the rise of TMNT is a himbo.
Thor (and I mean the old Norse god here not the marvel character) was *ABSOLUTELY* the original Himbo, and not to sound pretentious but like I love how ancient Archetypes like this can travel through the generations like that lol, n tbh I think the more modern version of the Himbo trope is a lot closer to the Archetype of Thor (again, old god) than a lot of the more old-school Himbos (atleast within my, admittedly brief personal experience/UPG with him; I mostly work w Loki and Óðinn lol)
I was listening to this assuming it had vastly more views. You're doing great stuff!
I personally think that the term Himbo has transcended the pronoun placement of "Him" and become its own word. I think its the same thing as Bro, Dude, Man, in the way that as a nonbinary person i dont feel misgendered when its used in reference to me. That wont be the same for everyone, but thats just my take.
Although there may be much to be said about only male-associated words becoming nonspecific in gender, with female-associated words usually remaining female-only
I feel like Joey from Friends is a good himbo. He may be dumb but he was Always nice to everyone (even if he was a “ladies man”). He was the strongest of all the three guys. And he, to my memory, didn’t treat women disrespectfully. He was a good person
He basically saw women as objects to be conquered most of the time
@@painunending4610 can you give me an example? I haven’t watched the show in a while so maybe I’m misremembering him
This was such a heartwarming video to see after struggling with accepting my own correlation with the himbo trait. Made me feel really good about myself. Thank you!
I've always called this trope the gentle giant
Now the real question is: Is Joseph Joestar a himbo?
Yes, but actually no-
I mean, no, but actually yes
I mean, yes, but actually yes
I mean, no, but actually no
I DON'T KNOW
I like your interpretation but I think there is another way of looking at it which is less positive in nature: that having feminine traits is only acceptable if you can compensate by having an abundance of other masculine traits. For example, the big strong jock who doesn't think too hard is pretty much the apex of the masculine stereotype. So it almost seems transactional: "okay fine you can have a male character who is kind hearted and empathetic, but only if you make them as buff as a tank in exchange". After all, you can't have a positive male role model not exude pure masculine energy (with a few exceptions like Bow and... no actually I can't think of any other examples off the top of my head).
Now, these two ideas aren't totally mutually exclusive, most tropes can and do have both positive and negative effects, but that's just how I look at it as a less traditionally masculine man myself.
This video got suggested and I’m so glad it did. Thank you for the upload! Got a subscriber!
As a thembo I relate and totally understand and love how you articulated it. it is very interdisciplinary since it does influence every aspect of our lives
I really appreciate the approach you took on this subject and the benefits of the thembo, this is honestly the first levelheaded stance i have seen on it. Please keep up the great vids :)
Cole and Jay from Ninjago were low key himbos, don’t @ me
Great video! Can’t believe it doesn’t have more views?
How have I not run across your channel before!?!?! Immediate sub with the "Oops! All Media is problematic" meme
Gonna be playing a himbo in an upcoming dnd game, this was very informative, thanks
As a person with adhd, it's rare that I watch the entirety of a video. You, however, had my attention the entire time, and have earned my respect 😌
You know what I want. I want Bimbo to be reclaimed so we can have the ultimate himbo/bimbo power couple. A wholesome couple who are amazed and infatuated by the brilliants of each other. they both dumb as rocks but it doesn’t matter because they cute and nothing can stop them.
Edit: never mind, I just learned the word herbo and I fucking love it! I still want that ship tho.
The only thing I find myself disagreeing with in this video, is calling He-Man an "oldtype" Himbo.
I'm fairly certain, that the writers of He-Man specifically tried to appeal with the positive sides of masculinity, like chivalry.
I have however noticed, that society often influences people with exaggerations of the current perception of masculinity.
Until recently, little boys were crushed by the duties and stereotypes attached to masculinity,
while now, some people are so eager to rid the world of toxic masculinity, that they just lump it together with positive masculinity.
There are, for instance, extremely woke people, who'll get offended at something as simple as someone holding a door for them.
Overall I'd say that He-Man is the perfect role model, as he not only has the strength to protect what he holds dear,
but also has a lot of compassion and chivalry and doesn't shy away from asking for help from his many friend and companions.
In fact Shadiversity recently made a video on how He-Man and Superheroes in general shaped him growing up and as a father,
where he also argues that the strength displayed by fictional role models is usually intended to help people grow, not hinder them.
Thereby I'd agree that Himbos are probably the most blatant and obvious, and therefor least misunderstandable way of conveying that.
I just wanna say 'chivalry' has also been used to infantilise and take agency away from women. It can be used to perpetuate an idea that women are weaker and it's mens duties to protect them, when really we should all be protecting each other
Really chivalry and basic kindness like holding the door open for someone should be practiced by all people, not just men. And also some people may not want the door to be held for them, and they're valid too
Daring Charming from eah is a himbo and nobody can convince me otherwise.
Troy from community is my favorite himbo, he’s truly adorable.
What's funniest about insecure men calling you a snowflake, when that term comes from Fight Club and is about men being insecure in their masculinity
So they're doing literally just that and it's hilarious
Aw I like your videos, you have good taste in shows and a very nice voice. I'm subscribing and hope to see more videos from you ❤