Product Review: VIRPIL VPC MongoosT-50CM3 Throttle
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I just got one of these about 2 months ago and I absolutely love it. It certainly isn't inexpensive, but I feel like this is one of the very few things I've ever bought that I received and felt "I might have actually gotten more than I paid for here"
$350 is a lot to pay for a toy, true, but there are people out there who'll drop $100k on a new corvette when they're toy shopping. So this isn't at all bad, in comparison.
Have it. It’s awesome. Had a problem with it about a wire making it not work. Virpil sent me parts quickly and a video on how to correct the issue. I did a button count against TM before purchase and bought the Virpil on the basis of features, build, and a few more buttons/switches than the Warthog. It is truly big and strong construction. You can subdue annoying relatives by swinging it around, if so needed.
The mode selector rotary switch is nice as a gear up lever because you can set up a middle neutral zone
just ordered this throttle along with the rest of the equipment for a full virpil HOTAS. I am so excited I am just watching all reviews I can find haha
Got this throttle earlier this year 2021, and it is absolutely amazing. I haven't messed with the customization much as I find the software a bit intimidating, but everything default has been top top quality. And having so many switches and knobs lets me put all sorts of things I use frequently right on the throttle quadrant. I should probably remove the detents though since I mostly fly helo and they just cause a rough spot but yeah. Awesome stuff.
I’m waiting for mine now, ordered it a week ago. How does it work with helos?
@@rpersen Works great man. I'd prefer to have the new collectives that are out now, but limited money prevents this. I make the collective setting "reversed" in the axis so that pulling throttle back is increasing collective, and throttle forward is decreasing it. Feels more like an actual collective that way. But it is very accurate and comfortable.
@@slow9573 Thanks for the reply, I will recieve my throttle tomorrow can’t wait. 8-) Yeah I have been drooling on the collectives also, but one thing at a time…. it is not a cheap hobby we have chosen lol. I’m flying the Black Shark mostly, and the Virpil Sharka controll panel… ollala.
After nearly 6 weeks, it looks like mine will arrive next week - can't wait! I also come from the WHT and it wasn't a case of me being disappointed by the TM product... more like that I really like the Virpil (had the chance to try it out briefly last year) and that I wanted to treat myself. I'm a bit apprehensive about the fact that I'll have to "learn" yet another proprietary software to get it to work - and that I'll have to re-map all my sims - but I'm pretty sure the effort will be worth it. Seeing the VPC's interior for the first time in a different YT-review is what sealed the deal for me. The WHT does show a bit where they cut corners once you open it up and take a peek inside. The VPC looks just as solid and well put together on the inside as it does on the outside. Plus it'll be nice to have a throttle that doesn't weigh 4 to 4.5 kilos - even with those silly add-on weights removed.
Don't get me wrong: The WHT is still a very good product. If you can get it on sale, like I did for ~€200, I'd go as far as saying that it's great value for money. If your budget doesn't allow for the VPC but you want something more solid, precise and high end than, say, a TWCS, the Warthog is still a great choice, even in 2023.
Nice review Tankie. Almost makes me want to buy one!!
What I understood from this video: it also has a push function
I enjoy a pretty box. Thanks for the content, great information.
I just got mine today. I've already changed the detent to get a feel for how they work, a impressive piece of gear. Time to have some fun.
Thank You, just put my order in!
Loving the heck out of mine. Perfect pairing with my Tomcat stick (the VFX), and the WarBRD pedals.
I've got this and the constellation alpha, both are absolutely amazing for dcs, just got to remember where all my switches are when I change aircraft keep forgetting what is where.
Virpil is actually better than wingwin, for my opinion
@@Ddg-mi5cs never used wingwin, I've got the A10 joystick and throttle aswell.
That looks like what I'm interested in. Do you find yourself accidentally activating that thumb rocker?
@@mn815048 I have it too. You’ve got to be intentional about what buttons you program for what function because the way you hold the throttle will change depending on which button you need to access.
I have a PDF of the throttle layout that I mark up on my iPad with my key binds for each module
Woah! This is a nice bit of kit! wish I could afford it hahah
I figured it out but if you wanna read it go ahead, the issue was I had the slider on the front binded to thrust for some reason just had to unbind it and reverse the axis. I bought mine a month-ish ago(July 30, 2022) and got it September 9th, 2022. Anyway after assembling everything, mounts, bases, etc. I went onto War Thunder after calibrating everything in the software. Worked just first in War Thunder, throttle input read 0-100 just fine. Now I go into DCS and try the F-16, starting at the ready ramp(this is my first hotas and first time trying actually fly in dcs) I put the throttle forward but it keeps “glitching” back to 0% and them back to a random % when I back off throttle to 0% and it keeps jumping around, at around idle, 12%, it kinda works. This is DCS exclusive, War Thunder works just fine, any tips would be appreciated. Thanks
I've been using mine for a month and love everything about it except the software.
czcams.com/channels/tX-k1OU34tihAT9BgGrh-g.htmlvideos He made it allmost easy for me ;-)
I hear you. It's no joke but I think in the end, it's at least robust.
Use Joystck Gremlin. Have a look at the videos by HavocCompanyClan (czcams.com/video/vL9HOLo8yhE/video.html and more). MUCH more user friendly than the Virpil software.
Can you confirm that the unit rocking was down to a warped wooden base and not poor machining of the mount fixing holes or mounting feet.
I have had it for 6 months and I love it more and more every day 😘
Question: how did you set up the 5 way switch icw 6 press buttons (I mean what functions did you assign to them)
Wow this looks awesome. 👍
Ok so I'm thinking of getting this.... is there going to be a new version In 2022 or do I just go for it?
Great review! I have a warthog throttle & picked this throttle up the other day for all the extra switches. Question I hope you can answer is do each side of the throttle have a axis? So can I program one side to be power & the other the collective? I tried it the other day & didn’t seem to detect that. I didn’t want to mess with it that day so I just unplugged & used my Warthog. I do want to get it to work though. I also noticed the axis wasn’t very smooth. It jumped around. Do I have to calibrate it with the Virpil software? Thanks & thanks again for the review!
I think so because othewise why would they not allow you to split the throttle and use asymetric thrust or return one to idel incase of an engine failure. idk what sim ur using but it would make sense for each one to be an individual axis
bottom side would be interessting too. I would like to see how to attach it.
It looks like a weighty unit but I can't drill one in. Coming from a x52 pro combo with failed suction cups and busted sensors, is this liable to slip under significant (i.e dogfight) movement?
Just got mine in. The design is very high quality; the software however has been a nightmare. Im trying to use it for DCS and i cant get any of the buttons to work.
Unfortunately it doesn't come to Brazil, they don't deliver here in Brazil.
I really wanted one of these, but they don't deliver in Brazil.
Is CM2 still good? I have a offer of used CM2 with desk mount for 2/3 of CM3 price, pondering if its a good offer
I notice that the throttle is rocking when you push the switches. Is there a problem with the feet?
sorry not sure if it was mentioned, but does it have an 'idle' detent like the TM throttle?
Not sure if your still seeing replies to this seeing as its 2 years old... but just ordered one of these to replace the 2nd X56 throttle ive had (which is starting to short out like the first :( ). Question i have is... can you run this 'without' any of the detents? Mainly asking cause im not sure if i'd even want any, or if i may choose to use just 1 rather than 2.. or what-have-you :)
Mine arrive 3 days ago. Wish I could say I love it but IL2 doesn’t even see it. Windows sees it but my sim can’t be configured.
It seems like the total movement of the throttle is even less than the logitech x56, exacerbated by the the idle detent that seems to take up half of the movement.
I moved from the X56 to the Virpil and the Virpil throttle range is much larger. I use a "soft" detent for afterburner rather then the lift paddles, but that's personal choice.
Having a hard time deciding between this and the Winwing throttle, any suggestions? Use case would be MSFS and DCS. I like the modularity of the Winwing but find the interchangeable detents on this one quite appealing too
I've only tried WW, but I wouldn't have any reason to buy anything else.
0:53 what's the white guitar? tele or something else?
They look so well built. Can I have your old one?
I think going with the winwing was the better choice for me. This looks nice, but you can’t beat the amount of travel you get with the winwing IMO. As well as the ability to change the throttles, and panel in the future.
I think it's the only up-segment HOTAS that is for universal use. The Orion HOTAS F-18 is also good, but it looks too much for DCS. So I buy this.
The ORION from WINGWING didn't work out for me. The USB connector came out of it's housing, the buttons don't work and it's losing it's friction. I've only had it 4 months. Not useable because of the USB problem and WINWING doesn't want to honour the warranty. DON"T BUY WINWING
@@rodneypullman1182 Agreed, they look good but are realistically the usual standard when China clones something, chinese and inovation rarely meet.
Wow! Is the narrator the guy behind the '1 minute DCS tutorials'?
im not sure, it might be "Cap"
Its midnight here I need too bed
This is gorgeous. Not sure I can afford one though.
Didn't think I could either. PayPal credit, 6 months 0% interest.
Make sure to save up. Paypal credit can only be gotten with a good credit rating , ,which would be very few people. So just save a little every week. .like 45 dollars every week, you'll have it very soon.
Thanks for skipping the unboxing and getting right into it!
A new update has been released in DCS. A lot of F-16s. We are sitting and waiting for new videos from you, because I do not know where to get information on how to use the AGM-154 on the F-16, except for you. Especially when living in Russia.) And there are a lot of interesting things about other modules. It's a pity that the DCS supercarrier was temporarily abandoned
I wrote here because this is your extreme video. I don't know English very well. I am very well used to understanding your videos about aviation, but I write through a translator. I'm afraid it doesn't always convey the meaning correctly.
Does the flaps lever have noticable notches for each increment? or is it a smooth lever from full to retracted?
Smooth
so i bought vkb omin throlle and now youtube is recommending me all these..
Where did the "F-22 vs F-22" Video go?!
Need to remove a bit then will re-post.
@@grimreapers Copy that, Chief! We'll be here.
Torn between this and the Warthog throttle. I prefer this for the number of buttons on the base. But those hats & buttons on the side of the throttle stick look like a nightmare to get to, there's just too many surely?
Really depends on your budget. In my neck of the woods, I could get the WHT for €200 incl shipping and at that price, going Warthog was a bit of a no-brainer. The Virpil was nearly €500 including everything at the time of purchase. That said: I'm still eyeing the Virpil hard, even though I'm quite happy with my Warthog. Well, when I say happy... its slew control is utter garbage, but I knew that going in and my VKB MCG Pro has a very good slew-hat on it. Plus I'm not super-psyched about the WH's inability to give me synchronized left and right throttle outputs ... they're always off by around 500 positions on mine... that's less than 1%, but it means that I can never have my Hornet's two engines run at the same power setting with the grips locked together. Gonna have to come up with a work-around in TARGET I suppose and I really don't like that piece of software.
Overall: go for the Virpil if your budget allows it - if not, you won't be disappointed by the Warthog I think - it's still a very good throttle despite its minor flaws.
@@1SaG I went with the 50CM3. The amount of buttons on the throttle itself is actually perfect most modern fighter jets.
How does this compare to the Winwing Super Taurus? do you get the same level of control with the shorter throw? How does build quality compare?
Only Tankie got it and he doesn't have WW so can't compare sry :(
@@grimreapers No worries! I'm torn between the two at the moment!
How do you find the accuracy of the twin throttles, due to their rather short throw length?
@Andre cm3 arc length is 119mm, which is a good bit shorter vs winwing taurus (292mm) or the warthog (174mm) (from GR's second vid on the superlibra/taurus)
@Andre You can take it up with the grim reaper who did the calculations czcams.com/video/D_YghqWS6cw/video.html (note: while they measured the CM2, the CM3 is identical other than the detents)
Can it be set up like any other game controller through Windows directly or does it rely on its own divers and software to configure everything?
The Virpil software is used to configure the Virpil hardware so that Windows sees whatever you want. You can map physical button 1 so that Windows sees it as logical button 12 or whatever. Once your have configured the Virpil hardware you can use either something like Joystick Gremlin and/or the actual game to bind to whatever actions you want. For most things you can go with the default setup. I.E. Physical button 1 is presented as logical button 1. The mode switch can appear as a series of logical buttons to Windows or you can program the hardware to change how it presents the buttons/axis depending on the position of the mode switch. You can even set it up so that certain ranges on an axis are presented as logical button pushes.
You have a tremendous amount of flexibility but the fancier your requirements the more careful you have to be saving your work and the more time you spend trying to tweak things.
Two things I have used:
1. My setup has more than 64 buttons and some games such as Elite Dangerous can't handle the extra. I have it setup so any control above 64 appears as a separate device with a lower number. I.E. Physical button 80 on device 1 presents as button 16 on device 2.
2. I have left and right joysticks. I set the device names so they are different and indicate what side they are on. Some games only tell you what the button number is and not the device, some do, so having names that indicate Left and Right can be helpful.
I don't do anything fancy but the hardware can certainly support whatever you want. I'm still mentally debating whether keeping most of the configuration in game, in something like Joystick Gremlin or in the hardware is "the best" for me.
That looks wicked
Ps: Still want box
It's actually pretty plain. Well made, but nothing fancy.
Pickles likes boxes also
Looks cool. Let's see their switch panel review.
So which is better? This throttle or the WinWing Orion Throttle or the WinWing Super Taurus?
I don't know anyone who is in a position to compare :(
Really rich people and some CZcamsrs who got free review samples from all 3 companies.
why is it wobbling on the desk >_
Absolutely can’t say enough about my CM2.
hello! is there a chance to get a throttle for left hands, do you know any on market..??? thanks
neg
Nothing in military style. Using airliner throttles like Honeycomb Bravo might work (add a VPC control panel or something similar if you want more controls for your right hand).
The Throttle seems not very stable on the deck ? Any issue ?
It likes to slide a little bit using the legs that came in the box. Probably going to improvise a solution, but it's not a huge issue.
Mine sits on an oversized mousepad. Rock solid! Throttle is amazing.
Same, very stable sitting on a large mousepad
I have the virpil control panel 2 with the landing gear nob .... i litterally had no idea the dials had push function wtf xD . Iv had it for about a month
The Throttle wobbles on the table like a piece of s***t. And this is for the money that is asked for this device.🤯
TBH - you should have done the unboxing. Virpil has for some time now been getting knocked for shipping in plain brown wrappers. Not bad packaging, but also not what you would expect for $400.
Who cares man,its a box..
@@stevo905 That's consumerist unboxer mindset :)
What a 'TOOL' thing to joke about. Bombs.
hey, im flying the F15c and I cant shoot missiles and under the traget square on my hud there is a star symbol. how do I fix this?
This wasn't sponsored by Winwing technologies?
That would be a bad idea lol
Can anyone afford it?
Your sound is bugi it come and go 😅
Are they out of business now in 2022? most links to their site set off my antivirus and other just give errors...
Nope, I’m still getting on their website fine?
Had the CM3 a couple of months ago. While its solidly built, it suffers from some major ergonomic issues. Bottom line is there are too many controls on the throttle handles and they are in the wrong place exacerbated by the shape of the throttle handles themselves. Sold it after 2 days and replaced with a Winwing Super Taurus (which is far superior). Hard to recommend.
"Never too many controls" besides, can't you just bypass until needed? -😏
@@matthewlee6462 you can very much have too many controls when it compromises ergonomics and ease of use, which is what I felt is the case with this unit. Each to their own but I didn't get on with it at all.
I can see some of the hats on the side of the HOTAS being hard to reach, but mine feels great. I just program the 8 way hat and the button below it last.
@Andre I don't have to use the keyboard to fly the A-10CII anymore, so I'd say it does its job well.
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@@cptamit2570 Hi
Не надо заказывать себе такое- очень неудобно.
Это полнеший провал.
1. Зря при таком долгом ходе РУДов устроили радиальное перемещение.
2. Нужно было делать линейный РУД.
3. Так называемые детенты абсолютно не удобны.
4. Зря отказались от колесика на ЗУМ. Слайдер абсолютно не удобен. И дрожжит ? За такую цену?
5. Кнопки и переключатели на ручках это вообще "атас"- нет четкого срабатывания. Да, они нажимаются, но при отпускании какие-то паразитные срабатывания всё-же происходят. Бесит. Бесит. Бесит......................................... ХЛИПКОЕ!!!
6. Кнопки и переключатели на РУДах рассчитаны на женскую китайскую ручку. ОЧЕНЬ МАЛЕНЬКИЕ для моей русской МУЖСКОЙ руки.
7. Эргономика... на -2. Из 5-баллов. На столе можно расположить, но тогда кисть руки выгибается в непотребном виде, искать цели в полный газ или в малый газ.
8. Расположение кнопок... Ваши "Инженеры" не летали. Иначе зачем этот скос под 45 градусов на 1-м РУДе???
9. Более-менее функционал открывается под 45 грд. к пользователю.
There's too much shit on the grips.
I love this control bran but is to mush excessive expens, is you want buy all control to fly you must need over 1000$ + + + +$$$$$$, learn abaut Oculus quest 2 low price the company sell alot ,alot , alot
Bruh this thing kinda sus
It's actually really great.
fuck this beauty on my F18 DCS, it would be perfect it would make my life so much easier.
With that price I get 3 x52, they are worse but with 3 x52 I play for like 10 or 15 years.
Great but it costs too much.
It costs too much ...for me, because the mechanisms are all in STEEL so it's worth all those 300 euros.