Cheers mate! I really needed to see some close up demo's of these saws before spending my time/money upgrading from basic blunt push saws. Now I will. Thanks.
Hi Mitch....great video as per usual...great fan of yours. I just realized at 48 that woodworking is my favorite thing (after women and wine) and as a beginner putting together basic tools i was thinking of japanese saws and now i'm convenced. keep up your excellent work. thanks again
Great Video Mitch! I have kugihiki Noko, Ryoba and Dozuki Japanese Saws and I REALLY appreciate your very easy to follow explanations of each! I'm a long time fan! Thanks for doing what you do! Have A Super Week!.....Gus
Hi Ken. Definitely worth trying. Probably easier to start from scratch rather than after being used to western saws, since the instinct is to use like a western saw in that case, but once you get over that it's fine.
As a Tree Climber/Arborist, I can certainly attest to the quality of the Japanese tree saws (Silky Zubat). I look forward to purchasing some of their woodworking saws. Great series Mitch!
while cutting any wood saw is placed precisely on marked line or consider the gauge of blade and then cut the wood to achieve precise dimension of wood.
I took a dovetail class with Rob Cosman at a WoodCraft store in Knoxville, TN a few years ago. Of course, he was promoting his tools and techniques. Another student in the class asked about Japanese saws and he said that they really weren’t very well suited to Western woods, but he didn’t elaborate on that. Is this because the hardness of Western species tends to break the fine teeth on Eastern style saws?
I never broke a tooth cutting joints with a Japanese saw, or any saw for that matter. Only ever broken a couple of teeth, and that was in extreme conditions. That said, I'm quite a gentle woodworker. Much respect for Rob, but he does seem to be a speedier worker, which would no doubt put more stress on the teeth.
Cheers Daniel. Possibly - I don't want to be prescriptive, just show what works for me. I find these saws easy to use almost any way round, but tend to favour those i've shown
Dear Mitch, you have probably been asked this before, but at the risk of being repetitive, would you be so kind as to present a detailed viewing of your beautiful workbench. Did you make it and whose design is it? Did you make the vice hardware or was that supplied? I have seen your series on the saw bench and can now see why I would want to make one for myself. Thanks. I have three Japanese saws and love them. I did like your presentation as it clarified the different types and when / how to use them. I can now add to my collection knowing why.
Thanks Peter! My bench is made by Sjobergs of Sweden. It's great, and when I got it years ago I had debated making my own but concluded that the cost in time and materials just didn't make sense. This was way before I started my CZcams channel, so the prospect of using it as a build series wasn't even a consideration. I think I made the right decision though, as the stringent conditions under which Sjobergs make their benches means I've had very little maintenance despite the huge variations in humidity it's had to put up with over the years. I do still consider the prospect of making a bench though, so keep watching ;-)
Whether you buy our build, I do believe that a stable wood, laminated to make the top, is the way to go. Double rows of dog holes in front of a face and end vise are very handy. Thick aprons allow easier clamping to the top. Tool wells should have easily removable bottoms, allowing better clamping access.
738polarbear Indeed you can. Whether the time or outsourcing costs make it worthwhile is the question I suppose. You can also buy non-induction hardened Japanese saws, which can be resharpened, but oddly the prices are very high
Hi, is the flush cut saw the Gyokucho 1151 from Workshop Heaven? My western style saw is pretty useless, I may buy a Japanese one, if I can find one with a good review.
I don't know the number off the top of my head, but it is Gyokucho and from Workshop Heaven. I've been trying out a set and will have a review out before long.
You aren't holding the saws properly. You should make your index finger more pointy but slightly bent. Your wrist is too bent. You should hold it more like a cellist holds a bow, so you need movement in your wrist, it is too rigid. You hold it like a child holds a toothbrush ! Your cutting strokes are too short, you are not using the whole saw, and cutting too fast. On the positive side, your cuts are quite good and you do allow the saw to cut rather than try to put pressure on the cutting surface, and you appear to be gripping the saw handle gently. Comment from someone who lives in Japan (30 years) and uses such saws daily.
That is what I am searching for, a set of saws like yours to replace my Western saws
Cheers mate! I really needed to see some close up demo's of these saws before spending my time/money upgrading from basic blunt push saws. Now I will. Thanks.
Hope you enjoy them as much as I do
Hi Mitch....great video as per usual...great fan of yours. I just realized at 48 that woodworking is my favorite thing (after women and wine) and as a beginner putting together basic tools i was thinking of japanese saws and now i'm convenced. keep up your excellent work. thanks again
Thanks. My woodworking after women is fine, but after wine is not so good 😉
it's only a matter of practise. :-)
I love my ryoba and dozuki saws.
Great tips Mitch!
Cheers Andrea!
Great Video Mitch! I have kugihiki Noko, Ryoba and Dozuki Japanese Saws and I REALLY appreciate your very easy to follow explanations of each! I'm a long time fan! Thanks for doing what you do! Have A Super Week!.....Gus
15 yrs !? Oh that's longer than youtube .. I was moved. It got broken but is beautiful. I felt your memories.
Thank you. No matter a broken tooth - I have one myself ;)
Thanks Mitch, I have never used Japanese saws, must give one a try one day. Great video mate.
Hi Ken. Definitely worth trying. Probably easier to start from scratch rather than after being used to western saws, since the instinct is to use like a western saw in that case, but once you get over that it's fine.
As a Tree Climber/Arborist, I can certainly attest to the quality of the Japanese tree saws (Silky Zubat). I look forward to purchasing some of their woodworking saws. Great series Mitch!
Cheers!
Great video Mitch!
Cheers Chris, that means a lot since you clearly have experience with them.
Hi there from Portugal,
Nice :D
Obrigado(Thanks)
Cheers :D
while cutting any wood saw is placed precisely on marked line or consider the gauge of blade and then cut the wood to achieve precise dimension of wood.
Very good.....
I took a dovetail class with Rob Cosman at a WoodCraft store in Knoxville, TN a few years ago. Of course, he was promoting his tools and techniques. Another student in the class asked about Japanese saws and he said that they really weren’t very well suited to Western woods, but he didn’t elaborate on that. Is this because the hardness of Western species tends to break the fine teeth on Eastern style saws?
I never broke a tooth cutting joints with a Japanese saw, or any saw for that matter. Only ever broken a couple of teeth, and that was in extreme conditions. That said, I'm quite a gentle woodworker. Much respect for Rob, but he does seem to be a speedier worker, which would no doubt put more stress on the teeth.
Thanks for sharing. It`s not easier to cut right to start from the other end - long cross cut ?
Cheers Daniel. Possibly - I don't want to be prescriptive, just show what works for me. I find these saws easy to use almost any way round, but tend to favour those i've shown
Dear Mitch, you have probably been asked this before, but at the risk of being repetitive, would you be so kind as to present a detailed viewing of your beautiful workbench. Did you make it and whose design is it? Did you make the vice hardware or was that supplied? I have seen your series on the saw bench and can now see why I would want to make one for myself. Thanks.
I have three Japanese saws and love them. I did like your presentation as it clarified the different types and when / how to use them. I can now add to my collection knowing why.
Thanks Peter!
My bench is made by Sjobergs of Sweden. It's great, and when I got it years ago I had debated making my own but concluded that the cost in time and materials just didn't make sense. This was way before I started my CZcams channel, so the prospect of using it as a build series wasn't even a consideration. I think I made the right decision though, as the stringent conditions under which Sjobergs make their benches means I've had very little maintenance despite the huge variations in humidity it's had to put up with over the years. I do still consider the prospect of making a bench though, so keep watching ;-)
Thanks for that. I thought I had seen it before. Not such an attractive prospect for me in the Antipodes. Cheers.
Whether you buy our build, I do believe that a stable wood, laminated to make the top, is the way to go. Double rows of dog holes in front of a face and end vise are very handy. Thick aprons allow easier clamping to the top. Tool wells should have easily removable bottoms, allowing better clamping access.
You should have mentioned the gauge of the all the blades.
Yes but you CAN resharpen western saws.
738polarbear Indeed you can. Whether the time or outsourcing costs make it worthwhile is the question I suppose. You can also buy non-induction hardened Japanese saws, which can be resharpened, but oddly the prices are very high
Hi, is the flush cut saw the Gyokucho 1151 from Workshop Heaven? My western style saw is pretty useless, I may buy a Japanese one, if I can find one with a good review.
I don't know the number off the top of my head, but it is Gyokucho and from Workshop Heaven. I've been trying out a set and will have a review out before long.
Thank you, I look forward to the review.
You aren't holding the saws properly. You should make your index finger more pointy but slightly bent. Your wrist is too bent. You should hold it more like a cellist holds a bow, so you need movement in your wrist, it is too rigid. You hold it like a child holds a toothbrush ! Your cutting strokes are too short, you are not using the whole saw, and cutting too fast. On the positive side, your cuts are quite good and you do allow the saw to cut rather than try to put pressure on the cutting surface, and you appear to be gripping the saw handle gently. Comment from someone who lives in Japan (30 years) and uses such saws daily.
I do all these cuts on a cheap table saw 1,000X faster. I've never needed such a fine blade, even for perfect dovetails.
That's great. I'd rather not be creating so much noise and airborne dust, but that's a personal thing.
@Mitch Peacock - WOmadeOD Thank you for you response and sorry for my ignorant comment
No worries - I'd rather have any comment than none at all :-)