Tool Talk #4 Japanese Hand Saws
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Here is some beginner information on woodworking with Japanese hand saws and the difference between hand made saws and machine made saws.
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Checking in after years to say that this video is still very useful. The biggest thing I can re-affirm is that Gyokucho is a great brand. I have a Suizan ryoba that I use daily but recently used a Gyokucho ryoba while visiting family... I felt it was slightly stiffer and more accurate with less binding, but both are totally fine. I also had to learn to stop cutting at perpendicular angles and go at it more horizontally since the teeth on the opposite side can bite into the cut after you get deep into the wood and lead it astray.
I bought a Ryoba after watching your videos to see what all the fuss was about. I'm not disappointed, it is an absolute pleasure to use and the pull stroke just seems to be a more accurate way to cut. Thanks for the heads up and great vids.
After watching an older video of yours on Japanese hand saws, I ended up ordering a couple different dozuki and one ryoba saw.
I'll never use anything else. They're freaking AWESOME.
I been watching your videos and def you have inspired me to get up from my rear and start building things, thank you. But I definitely need some one to teach me the woodworking ways. Stay blessed!
Hello from Australia.
I just returned from a trip to Japan yesterday and I managed to pick up the same saws, also purchased a few chisels which you have recommended in previous videos. All I can say is that I have to agree with the quality of the cut and speed at which the saw cuts through the timber. I would recommend these saws to anyone, just takes a bit of practice to get used to japanese saws, compared to western style saws. I was also wondering what type of tool belt that you use, i.e the one you use in this video.
Thank you keep the videos coming!
I have been doing a lot of research since first learning about Japanese handsaws (from you of course) and have wanted to try them out, I've been a woodworker for a couple of years now and swore by the European design and make of saws pre-war but have in the last week picked up 3 different japanese hand saws (second hand from an ex cabinet maker) and my god, just absolutely amazing. The precision that you get is phenomenal. Now I need a few more to add to my collection. Haha.
Haysom
They are awesome indeed. Had no idea about the grain direction and the teeth, gonna have to research about it. Thanks !!!
Ive been using dozuki saws to cut my guitar frets for a couple years now, they are fantastic. They make quick work of everything.
I did all of the trim on my loft rooms that had al sorts og weird angles with just a japanese saw (Gyokucho). No dust, and as precise as an electric powered compound miter saw. Great video as always! Greetings from Norway:D
Great videos you Are makeing. You Are a true inspiration! Have Been watching your videos from the start of your channel.
Big greatings from the little country Sweden!
Keep it going! 👍⚒
Nice video, Samurei.
I also have a set (3piece = Dozuki, Kabata, Ryoba) Japansensen Compact (180mm) and a Ryoba Seiun 300, for large woods. With this I get along better than with the Western models
I've got a Gyokucho from Japan as my beater saw during my house renovation. Very much worth the money indeed. This thing is at least twice as fast as any push saw. Also cuts plate material very neatly.
Gyokucho are excellent saws. But my favourite ones are Kijima and Hishika, hand made saws. Thanks for your video
I really like the 9 1/2" saw, it's currently the only one I own but I of course bought it through the Samurai's shop :)
Great video!!! Japanese hand-made saws look awesome.
Great bit of information there, thanks for that. I bought a Ryoba (modern one from LV) and I could not bond with it. Probably due to muscle memory accustomed to western style saws after a lot of years, not the tools fault at all. I do like the smoothness of the cut they make.
My journey continues with opening the boxes for my first Ryoba and Dozuki with replacement blades. It was a spiritual moment, private full of the voices of a thousand ancient craftsmen whispering my name and calling me forward. Thanks for the advice and keep the faith brother.
I have two of the Gyokucho saws from your store and a Dozuki Z Saw. I also have a set of Veritas that are nice but I bought the Veritas mostly because they look cool. Both sets are great but those Japanese are my go to for everything. I've cut everything from dovetails to fencing posts and they are still sharp. I really don't think they are that hard to figure out a few practice cuts, i just built a few dovetail boxes, and your set. My 11 year old does really well with them. A word of warning be careful because they are sharp so don't grab the blade if you drop it.
Thanks for the tutorial. I'll order a saw immediately.
Because of you I bought 400$ of tools today
That's it? lol
A new tool talk! exactly what I wanted for my birthday! lol
Only japanese saw I have used is silky large folding saw. Amazingly fast and clean cutting limbs.
I just ordered the dovetail saw and a mallet from you can't wait to start using it on Monday
I started using hand saws in the early '60's. When I found pull saws in the early 90's I never looked back.
Great video. I learned a lot. May just purchase a few saws from your store.
great stuff!
The Gyokucho saws curretly in your Amazon store are Iron. The 'meterial' listed in Amazon is Iron. You mentioned Stainless Steel, were they stainless steel at one point? Did the manufacturer change it?
What do you think of silky brand saws? I didn't want these saws to shred my tool bag, so I ordered a few with the folding handles.
How are those slabs coming along? Do we need to send dry thoughts your way so they reach equilibrium faster?
Hey I was wondering what you thought of the Japanese saws sold at Lee Valley? Most of the Amazon links don't ship to Canada and Amazon.ca has poor selection as usual.
Lee Valley seems to be my only option and i'm always happy with quality of tools from them. If you've got any thoughts on their saws would love to hear it.
Love the videos, but could possibly move your camera a little closer ? Would make the details a little easier to see.
Most Japanese saws, including these Gyokucho saws are geared towards softer woods. Have you had/noticed any issues when working with hardwoods using these saws?
"Doing it with nothing but hand tools" made me think of a guy that goes by Mr. Chickadee. He does the timber frame thing you so often reference and he does it with all hand tools. Was wondering if you have seen him work?
I have seen him. He is hardcore old school. I just don't have the patience ;)
That stuff is Augusta. Made in Germany! Relabeled for your pleasure :)
have you seen that japanese saw on amazon with the katana handle?! instantly reminded me of you lol
So cool , I want one , who am I kidding , i want them all . headed to your amazon site now .
Dear Samurai Carpenter,
Thanks for your videos and inspiration. I have enjoyed my douzuki and ryoba for a while now. When trying to rip larger slabs (ryoba) I have problems sawing to the line though. Cross cuts no problem, incredibly precise. But ripping I had to restart multiple times and ended up using a skill saw to finish the job. Are there any tricks I am not aware of?
Thanks from Belgium!Raph
Bought a Ryoba from you .. it’s awesome 👍
Só ferramentas tops
Hey guys, I was wondering what would be recommended to make rip cuts on say a 2x4. I have a couple japanese saws(ryoba too)that work amazing but had a western saw that ripped beautifully. Gave it as a gift but been wanting to find a Japanese saw to rip. Been looking at the Gyokucho timbersaw or just a longer blade ryobe(270mm)
Love the information and sarcasm. So, any woodworking projects coming up? Going through woodworking withdrawl here.
I'm just finishing up a live edge bed for my son. Video will be up this weekend.
Love it - cannot wait. Love your style and attention to detail.
I would have like to see a close up of the difference between the 2 sides of the first saw. Are the to side different by design?
Yes. Ripping teeth and crosscutting teeth are very different. I'm sure if you google it there will be pictures to explain the difference.
I have a personnal question, do you actually speak Japanese or have ever been there ? Because you seem very interested and informated. Nice one as always !
Here in Norway you can get the Gyokucho saws for cheap (300 NOK) at Clas Ohlson, they are awesome indeed =)
do you know if they chip to Portugal?
shiet...kjøpte akkuratt fra ebay for 380.. blir clas neste gang! takk!
Try toolsfromjapan.com, i use it in Portugal
I love Clas Ohlson but i didnt knew that thank you.
Algum problema na alfandega? Pagou taxas de importação extra-comunitária?
Obrigado!
Great job on all the tool videos, one question though. What knife do you keep on your vest?
Thanks. It's an OLFA auto lock utility knife.
Love it, thanks!
Hey samurai,
if possible, please put me on a list to pre order one of the 9 1/2 " saws. let me know if that would work.
im currently using a Chinese handsaw that I got for three dollar (canadian) at dollarama. It works great but I feel like I should get an upgrade. :)
other than that keep up the good work!
plus: maybe your samurai apprentices should spam the Facebook wall of gyokucho (if they have one) so they could sponsor you! What do u you think guys?
have a good one!
cheers from the most beautiful island in Canada (i mean PEI) :)
thanks man
Samurai, when will these saws be available in Canada from your store?
Where is the best place to buy a Ryoba? I'm looking to buy one for cutting small parts.
Is that a Japanese saw? Great video
Bom dia fiz um suporte usando o seu como modelo gostaria de pedir permissão para mostrar ao meus amigos e em algum eventos que participo como marceneiro.
Te sigo e sou teu fã.
Obrigado
What do you think of Lee Valley Japanese saws? They don't look like the brand you mentioned, but are they still good for a beginner to buy?
Do I understand correctly that as a Canadian, I can't have items from your Amazon store shipped to me?
Mathew, did you ever buy your saws ?
I've read that the Japanese saws are really only appropriate for softwoods and that they're prone to losing teeth on harder woods. Can you comment on that? What about saws with impulse-hardened teeth?
I use mine on hardwood all the time and have never lost a tooth. The Gyokucho saws have impulse hardened teeth and stay sharp for a remarkably long time.
Mr Samurai, what do you think about Bridge City Tool Works Japanese Saws?
Hey Jesse, any update on where to get these "bad boys" here in Canada? Need a flag or something to click on your site and then be able to get Amazon.ca links. Just sayin' Thanks for all the awesome videos!
Got any links to the youtube channels for the Japanese woodworkers you follow?
not going to poo poo the video but I think Japanese saw are actually more about the blades than the "saw" as a whole. The blades are what drives the saw, what makes it cut amazing - the handle is merely just there to give you something to hold on to and gives the ultra fine blades some when you're cutting along the grain like in an universal Dozuki. I discovered folding saws, meaning you can fold the blade into the handle, and they're just pure sex! Don't look up the Fugaku brand folding Dozuki and Kataba saws... The German Dictum brand also have identical folding saws with their own blades but the handles are 100% identical, in fact I would say that they're made by Fugaku branded by Dictum and it's the same blades. I have bought one Universal Dozuki from Fugaku and one Dozuki super hard from Dictum and it's identical folding handles down to the hardware used. They're identical. Haven't tried the walnut handle yet but it looks like it needs some finish on it and then it's going to just as sexy!... buy cheap handles - buy expensive blades!... you're not half bad Sam...
I’m going at least $500 into this particular tool buying hole that I don’t need....... but I neeeed it.
I've had the same factory made cross cut dozuki for over 20 years. I think it cost me $20 bucks usd. You don't bother having them sharpened. It costs more to have them sharpened than it does to buy a new one. At least it did 20 years ago.
So what about if you were trying to cut through some material that was thicker than the saw. Does the set from the teeth on the back side of the blade interfere with the cut?
No. The set is the same on both sides so it fits smooth into the kerf.
Dat kerf tho
I bought some merchandise from your channel just to help you out.
i was wondering, because im used to sharpen my own saw blades on my western saws, is it ''harder''to sharpen japenese blades, or is it just that it can't be done with regular tools?regards
Hey Samurai, have you ever made your own handle for one of your machine-made saws? I'm planning to get the 9-1/2" saw (from your Amazon page) but I'm wanting a more "custom" handle. What are your thoughts?
build the furniture in house first, then worry about customizing your tools.
Have you seen the CZcams channel "I am Stankoff"? Japanese woodworking. Very cool videos...
where do find the rip cut dozuki saw?
How do I know if I am buying through your Amazon store so that you get the credit?
You follow the link in the description box or go to the tool store on my website. Thanks for the support.
would it be good for small cuts, crafting?
Are thesecompletely ready to use out of the box, or are there initial things you can do to get them going even better?
Mine was completely ready out of the box, but even if the blade and handle aren't assembled its a super simple matter to put it together. Just slide the blade into the handle and tighten (in my case with a thumb screw)
They are ready to go out of the box.
Do the Japanese have an equivalent to the big logging saws we have in North America? I have a 4 foot one that I put ripping teeth to split giant reclaimed Douglas fir for table tops.
Yes, they're huge and look pretty cool too.
Is there any sort of equivalent Japanese saw to a coping saw? Or do they just use a coping saw?
I forget the exact name in Japanese, but if my memory serves in English, it's called a keyhole saw.
I have ordered a few things threw your store but I am curious, is the cut you get significant or really just a joke?
The commission varies depending on sales but it is usually around 8%.
is the gyokucho 770-3600 the same saw with just a plastic handle. anyone used this model?
I am not sure how to increase monthly funding. So I canceled the previous one and entered new one with new amount. Hopefully that will not cause any trouble...
If you are going to use hand tools embrace all of the techniques, stop buying disposable saws. Learn to sharpen them, it only takes a little bit of time but this will save you so much in the future.
I appreciate your sentiment but if manufacturers are not making saws that can be sharpened by users, what do you suggest we do?
What would you recommend for long rips in soft or hard woods?
A table saw ;)
Does anyone know if a dozuki blade can be attached to a ryoba handle?
Where can I get bench hold downs like you have?
lee valley tools online. called hold fasts.
Thank you.
5:04 Phrasing?
Damn I need mo money, a C note at the tool store buys next to nothing. I need more fkn tools.
Can i just make my own handles
👍
c'mon man I'll make me a saw stand.
Dear Samouraï,
I've been mailing you about thoses saws with no luck. I can easily imagine and understand how one or two mail can be drowned in the ocean of reply you get. So i guess i'm like a lost man on a island, leaving message in bottle everywhere he can.
I live in France and i would like to buy thoses saws from you. But Amazon wont ship it, due to whatever reasons.
I NEED thoses saws. I won't feel complete until i get it.
Can you do something about this ?
As i said on my mails, the work you put online amazed my wife and I. We're looking you every evening, learning things and reproducing them (badly).
Sir, you have to help us out.
i just own one
People ye need to check out ( I am Stankoff )
One of the links in the description box is to one of his videos. I'm not sure they are his videos though. Stankoff is a Russian name but the videos are of a Japanese Carpenter. Smells a little fishy.
12 mins of just talks!!!! ???? what the ????
The title says tool talk. Use your brain Charlie.
Schnupfen, Kopf und Gliederschmerzen für vieles gibt es das passende Mittelchen aber gegen die Dummheit ist leider kein Kraut gewachsen
A common cold, headache or muscle pain you can treat with some Medicine but against stupid there is nothing on Mother Earth that could help against, sorry Charlie for the vacuum in your brain
i clicked on the "click here for live class link!" and it asked me to sign up for something i had to pay for. laaaaaaaame sumarai. i will unsubscribe now. but thanks for the tips on japanese tools. :)