In-Depth with a Vintage ARP 2600 Semi-Modular Analog Synthesizer
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- In this video, we provide a functional walkthrough of the iconic ARP 2600, complete with patch examples and a blow-by-blow walkthrough of the panel. To read more about ARP's history and the 2600, check out our Signal article here: www.perfectcircuit.com/signal...
The 2600 is one of the first semi-modular synthesizers, which means it provided musicians considerably greater ease of use than with the prior gargantuan modular systems, all without sacrificing any sonic potential. Used by musicians such as Stevie Wonder, Edgar Winter, Joe Zawinul, and even used to create the voice of R2-D2 in Star Wars, the 2600 has permeated popular culture with its bubbling sound effects, soaring leads, and thumpy, huge bass lines.
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I grew up with the younger brother of ARP's head of R&D Phil Dodds. He was the cool cat playing the notes to the aliens in "Close Encounters". In early 70's when Phil came home for a weekend he'd bring a 2600. He was a big inspiration to me; long sessions at kitchen table with sketches of developing technologies like key velocity, envelope follow, sequencing, etc. led to my enrollment in Electronic Music Production courses at Long Beach City College. It was a great era....... the original Whole Earth Catalog had some synthesizer ads, such as PAIA catalogs. I'm pondering a purchase of the Behringer 2600.
I much appreciate the well-executed signal flow guidance here.......
Great story. Thanks for sharing, must have been amazing times.
A lot of folks hate on the B2600 but it’s great that people can afford good sounding instruments. If you can afford the grey/blue version, the capacitors in the filter are better, giving a rounder tone. Much closer to the original 2600. The developer of the B2600, AMSynths, is relatively present on CZcams comments, and has been a great source of info about the design.
I have the blue B2600 and it sounds good, but it's missing some of the bite a vintage one has.
No high pass filter you say? Run a saw tooth to multiple. From mult through the filter on to vca. Run the same saw tooth from multiple to the inverter and on to the vca. Mix these together. Everything below the filter cutoff will be cancelled and you get a high pass filter.
Very nice video!
BRILLIANT!!!!! YES!!!
Yup. It’s been a bit since I’ve done something like that so I’m not sure if the filter slope would look like a highpass filter (pretty sure it does). Another thing, if the 2600 has filter amplitude decrease to compensate for increased resonance it may throw off the perfect phase cancellation. As I do have filters that behave like that, I could test that out too.
Also how difficult is it to perfectly match gain on different signal paths in the 2600? Probably not very if you run things all the way hot and then just attenuate everything with that output gain slider so you’re not dealing with annoyingly loud levels.
u are smarter than me
Great Henry! Why didn’t I think of that!
Holy cow!
This guy is a gifted teacher. His delivery is extremely lucid and un cluttered. He seems to instinctively know how to cut through the weeds and render only the information that will connect the dots effectively.
This was a masterclass video on the 2600. Bravo !
Probably the best Arp 2600 presentation I've heard until now.
This thing IS a beast, but a beast I'd love to get friendly with.
I drooled over the ARP 2600, when it was at my local music store, back in the 70s.
That and the Mini Moog, were the tings of my dreams, back then.
I have all the original sales brochures from those days.
xmrtuvgs can you please scan them and upload them somewhere?
You only live once... go buy one!
what was the retail price back then?
@@nicebluejay $2600 - that's where the name comes from.
The Behringer remake has added some functions that aren’t there on the original. The oscillators have more outputs, you can PWM osc 3, the pitch cv to filter is variable, you get the LFO and portamento that was on the 2600 keyboard module. You get a normalled LFO to osc 1 pitch, rather than the osc 2 fm input. The gate and trig patch points next to the AR envelopes are inputs on the Behringer, so you can patch in CV from a keyboard, a necessary addition in a synth that comes without its own keyboard, with the outputs being shifted to the left hand side of the panel. It gets the sound pretty close, too.
This is amazing! I just bought a korg arp,2600FS, second batch here in NZ for a complete steal and this video is so helpful, I look forward to having many years of experimentation ahead!
What wonderful in-depth overview of the ARP 2600. The best I've ever seen! I really feel I now know all the ins and outs of this classic beast. Excellent job!
Such a good in-depth view of the 2600 .
Thanks for that.
Fantastic video!! Iconic synth with a great delivery! Many thanks!!
Fantastic video. Lovely explanation of the features and potential of this synth!
What a lovely tour of the best synth ever made!
very well presented, Ryan. wish all people doing tutorials and reviews spoke so calmly and concisely as yourself
This is a great demonstration of the ARP 2600 and awesome of how til this day it’s sounds are Great!
Excellent presentation, very clearly demonstrated. Also, hank you for dropping the synth volume while you talked.
Great, fantastic tutorial... Truly appreciate your 'no frills'/to the point --& super clear & informative-- sharing... pretty darn good!!! THANKS!! EXCELLENT!!
This was super interesting and well-presented! Thank you
I recently bought the Arturia 2600 software synth for my laptop, and have been tooling around on it for a couple of weeks now trying to get it figured out. This video was the perfect introduction, thanks a lot!
This is wonderful. Bravo!
This is such an excellent video covering everything that this historic analog synth can do and has done since it was created! Awesome job!
Love this video, just bought a ARP 2600 M, very helpfull for me! Thank you Ryan!!
Great video. Gave me some fresh ideas for my TTSH. :)
Great presentation 👏👏👏
Beautiful teaching
Really nice presentation, and thanks to the recent extraordinary efforts of our friends in Germany and Japan, I finally feel confident that I'll finally be able to own one of these. I can't say I'm optimistic about much in the world these days, but these great synths are always mysterious and exciting.
Actually bought a vst version of this one and so happy with it 😎🤗i wish you kept playing the woble sound thnx for video
This guy is one of the best instructors ever. Who is it?
I agree. He really knows the synth in and out and has a very nice and clear way of demonstrating all it's features. This is really one of the best overviews I've ever seen of any analog synth. I look forward to seeing more of this guy!
Ryan from Perfect Circuit
I disagree. I know the instrument and I think this guy doesn't know what he's talking about half the time.
@@j-ltekbrain2177 Ryan is BRILLIANT!!!
@@horowizard where is your tutorial? I for one would love to learn from your self-expressed knowledge...
This is a really helpful video for someone starting out with this synth. I haven't got a real 2600, just the Cherry Audio VST (I had the free Arppe VST before that), because a) I want to learn more about sound design and this was intended as a teaching synth and b) I have been a fan of a certain J M Jarre's music since I was a kid and his stuff was new. Even the modest VST can make some awesome sounds and in a DAW setting the possibilities are endless.
Love the vst
Good job! Thanks for posting.
Nice job. I just bought the B2600 Blue Marvin and enjoying the sound and possibilities.
Great video, love the clear & concise rundown, thank you! One fun fact, you can get a high-pass response from the filter by sending your oscillator/s to the voltage processor, invert the signal, then send it back to the filter mixer; it will phase-cancel and give you a high-pass filter. That’s an old modular trick and it works on the 2600.
Dear lord, that is so cool!
Excellent demonstration. @17:06. I just needed an example that a ms-20 might not do. I think this helped me narrow it down my decision.
The thing is a beast. Not warm like a Moog but just plain gnarly.
I am going to get one of these things even if I have build it myself from a kit. Korg sold out of theirs in about 2 days.
honestly i just got my reissue (FIANLLY) and THANK YOU FOR THIS
So cool! Even in 2020 still an impressive piece of tech, as well as a crazy-cool instrument that's just as relevant and useful today as it was when it was new. I have Arturia's virtual version of it on my iMac, and *I love it.* However there's nothing quite like having your hands on the real thing! Maybe one day I'll get a chance to own one. BTW, love your videos and the Perfect Circuit store!
Nice and dry presentation. Thanks! Btw, you almost said it yourself, the S/H clock source can be used as an LFO in itself, and if you run it though the lag processor you'll almost get a triangle wave.
Thanks for the patching tip
Also the lag processor can be used as a second (basic) filter....
Very nice demo., I wish I watched this a few years ago as it took a while to work out the TTSH I built....
What a fantastic gas plant !
I'm patiently waiting Easter to receive mine !
omg that sound... Liked in 30 seconds...
WONDERFULL
who dislikes a video like this?? awesome video greetings from italy :)
Great introduction to the 2600! This synth is so much cooler than the minimoog, although they are two different beasts
@15:44 is why I love synthesizers, great video!
16:53 is why i love synthesizers.
great tutorial! love watching these ... especially if i have the same thing sitting in my studio)
This video proves that Korg we release a Arp 2600 this week.
Winter is coming Starglider
Magistral!!!
Excellent demo of the ARP 2600! It sounds MASSIVE!!! BTW I put my Perfect Circuit sticker on the car yesterday..... A+++++++++++++++++++++++
I had access to a 2600 once many years ago for a few months (school). I had experience on a Moog modular (school) , but the layout and terminology of this synth confounded me and I eventually gave up. Got some great random sounds out of it though, mostly thanks to the S&H.
Sounds bloody massive
Just found this vid it's very good , hope the next vid is about a EMS Synthi AKS
We would love to make a Synthi video
The best demo i found about the ARP 2600 ! I think it looks the best and sounds the best.
And how does this sound patched up ?
Ah, the old steam synths.
Takes me back.
True, it almost sounds mechanical rather than electronic.
@@Bananskuden More coal!
He's heading for the LFO!
Most importantly the 2600 is used by Jack Dangers in Meat Beat Manifesto. He’s probably the worlds expert on the 2600.
This thing looks like it could end universes... that's before it's even played a note
What a beast of an instrument.
I just cannot afford the real thing so I have the Behringer 2600 Blue Marvin.
I am partially deaf but heck I can hear the difference between the real deal and a BARP.
But lets be fair. It is also 20 times more expensive.
I will use what you have tought me on this video to progress with my two BARPS.
Thank you for you brilliant demo.
I just love the original keyboard as well.
I may redesign an Arturia keystep to include all the gubbins there on the left side and enclose it in a nice lookalike casing.
Thank you for the great video! Got me up and running on the B clone :) Any chance of an overview of the 1st patch from the demo at the end? Such a great sound, can get in the ballpark but not quite there, would be amazing to take a look at it!
For me, yes, the overview is great. But... that last patch is the most interesting thing I heard/saw. Being an Arturia ARP 2600 V owner that is. It's hard to see the routing because the cables cross and are obscured behind the keyboard. And the combiner voltages sent to the envelope gate are likely the key but I don't get it, can't see it. But thanks: it's rare to see a demo where the presenter displays a real musical sensibility and then demo's it with the sounds he makes. (Incidentally, a note to the editors: the 'b-roll' shots sometimes come at inopportune times, just when the viewer is sussing out the patching or the movement of controls/knobs; a little more awareness to the audio and the dialog would really improve things.)
Half way through and really enjoying this. Thanks! One thing that puzzles me about this design is that the only VCO that can do sine and triangle waves is also the only one that allows PWM. I mean... what if I want a sine or triangular LFO controlling my PWM? Yes, I know there are ways around it - just wondering why that wasn't considered. It would have been relatively straightforward, I think, to add PWM to VCO3 as well. Even moving it to VCO3 and no longer supporting it on VCO2 would have been a better choice. Anyway, that's nitpicking, obviously, because this is one hell of a fantastic beast of a synth :)
Also of note the - Arp2600has two low pass filters. One 24db and one 6db. Much like the high pass filter there’s lots of hidden gems in this synth.
So, yeah.
i’ve got a behringer 2600 blue marvin on the way and i’m hoping it’s quite similar!
It’s close enough.
You SHOULD do a 57 minute demo on the new KORG ARP 2600.
R2-D2 would be proud. The 2600 was used to create the sound effects of the Ark of the Covenant in Raiders of the Lost Ark.
ohhhh look!
Thank you for the run through of this iconic instrument .Could a patch cable be connected to an external modular filter then patched back to the instrument ?
Love your video info here, but 'goofy' spring verb?
It was hard for me to hear the spring reverb for the majority of the video. It's fine like that.
Did you guys do this without knowing the 2600 reissue was coming? You must've known!
They did, ARP 2600 original demo's are all over the place since a week :-).
Nice presentation. I want one. Too bad they don't make them anymore cuz they are expensive on Reverb or ebay. Only drawback I can see is that there is no way to modulate the PWM with a sine wave, which would be so much more useful than with a saw wave. But I still want one!!
And 3 days after your message Korg presents a new ARP 2600 .....
Jean-Michel Jarre had spoiled the information around 1 month before.
@@jean-louispech4921 I know! I saw the Korg Arp 2600 on Sweetwater's channel the next day. But it's like $3900. Still more than I can afford, but that would be so sweet. And of course it has MIDI. Come on lottery!
The Goat
Does this have the Moog 4012 filter? And what version is this Arp 2600? The reverb sounds like its the shorter tank that is installed, which happened on the later models.
Wonderful Demo, thank you... but I hope people realise that Korg will be charging a fairly high price for their 2600 - Probably £2000+ (Remember that Korg's FS Odyssey is £1,300)
EDIT: GAK in the UK have announced the price at £3499
Vous pouvez activez les sous-titres s'il vous plait ? Merci.
En attendant la sortie par Korg et probablement par Behringer.
Stevie Wonder? Weather Report? Niiiice ... but failing to mention Kraftwerk is quite the oversight!
47:06 Ex Machina sound!!!! :)
Ben Salisbury would beg to differ. But yes the harmonics very similar.
Eluding to a future Korg product are we not?
Is the PWM really normalised to the noise generator? At least it doesn't sound like that. Only adding noise to the sound without any modulation of the pulse width.
It adds noise by the PWM.
Don't forget that you can think the PWM like a delayed reverse saw added to a saw, when you change the PW you change the delay.
When you change this delay continuously, it is like a pitch change for the reversed saw.
With the classic triangle PWM , the reversed saw swap between two pitch ( symmetric around the central note ) , because you have two different slopes (up and down). With the noise modulation the signal of modulation generate several random slopes along the time and then generate noise, because it generate unrelated frequencies.
@@jean-louispech4921 But does all old units add the noise? I haven't heard so many 2600 so I can confidently say but this sounded odd to me. You probably know better : )
High on my list, probably at the top of synths I haven’t owned. I’ve skipped the Odyssey reissues figuring Korg or Behringer will release a 2600 eventually.
Or I could drop $10k on the used one you currently have in stock. I figure this is an ad for that
This video was made on the one that we currently have used. We figured we should make a video to document this awesome vintage synthesizer while we had one around.
Perfect Circuit Sorry, that may have come across as hostile. That wasn’t my intention:)
Seems like both Korg and Behringer are working on a clone. Interesting times!
Swear I heard it do the millennial croak. Here's hoping the remake will be full-size, also comes in a suitcase with keyboard. Has full in-out-thru MIDI. L-R outputs and a good spring reverb...some DSP FX would be useful.
Korg made it without the DSP FX.
Vince clarke - Yazoo etc
Daniel Miller
why is there boxy reverb added to your voice
If you can't hear logans run and kraftwerk in this then you are not a child of the 70s !
"Jean-M'kel Jarre"
Korg please 2020
Fj Francois behringer has a clone coming out
Well... twitter.com/ARPsynthesizer/status/1213158080550035457?s=20
villagersound cool
Daniel Wiklander nice 👍🏻
korg might've put a stop to behringer... behringer hasn't offered an update on their 2600 since mid last year
@48:30 it sounds like the speed racer cartoon theme beginning lmao
Was the filter cutoff turned down a bit too much for a lot of this video or am I dreaming?
It does sound a bit dark, but my guess is that it has something to do with keyboard tracking, since as he goes up the keyboard, the sound gets brighter.
It's earwax
@@gasolineandwine Well, it's meant to with full tracking.
I think the Steve Miller Band also used on a couple of there songs .
“Their”
27:00 Apocalypse Now helicopter territory...
Did I skip past the Octave Switch demo … ?! 😏
So ... which one will be better: Korg's or Behringer's?
Divinital they’ll likely both be the same, since literally all either of them has to do is crack one open and copy the circuitry. If anything, I’d bet on Behringer’s being better, since theirs will be a 1:1 clone and Korg likes to do strange things to their repros, like they did with the MS-20 Mini.
Divinital why though? I’m honestly curious.
Divinital Oh ok, so no reason and you just want to perpetuate a bullshit elitist mentality that should’ve died out a long time ago? It’s always the same thing. “Oh, clones are amoral, they’re stealing money and ideas from the original company” “Oh, clones don’t sound the same even though they’re literally built from original specs like 99% of the time, and I don’t have the ear to tell for myself if it sounds right so I’m just gonna say it doesn’t because fuck clones right?” The one and only reason Korg is even hopping on the clone bandwagon (which keep in mind that regardless of whether or not it has “ARP” stamped on it, it’s STILL a clone, even coming from Korg, because it’s not part of the original run of 2600s) is because Behringer is making tons of money giving people what they actually want, recreations of the synths that they love, at a price that reflects how dirt cheap it is to build a synth out of components that have been widely available since the dawn of synthesis. Life’s too short to worry about this kind of stuff. I’ve literally done side by side comparisons between my original Moog Model D and the Behringer and there’s VERY little, if any difference. You heard the word clone and said “no, it can’t be right, because the logo on the case is different!” Don’t even bother to actually do research, listen to demos, and actually form an opinion, because your own snobbery has forced you to deprive yourself of owning something that you’ll likely never be able to get your hands on otherwise. So, YOU enjoy trying to coax Prophet 5 sounds out of a Minilogue, because the Rev2 “just wasn’t the real thing”. I feel sorry for you.
@@bluehole6019 they did a solid reissue of the Odyssey years before Behringer.. the MS20 mini is excellent as well and was the 1st real analog classic reissue from any of the big synth manufacturers. Hats off to Korg for doing this, I love it!
Marshal Arnold I’m really excited for it! Hopefully it ends up at a price that my wallet can forgive! 😉
Only arp I know is ARP 5th Prophet
Im a lil salty they only did a limited run
I've a kidney for sale ...
You can almost hear these things through the youtude audio compression
I'll wait for the version of Behringer, 1000 dollars cheaper than Korg, I've learned the lesson of the cloned oddysey.
Currently 440 vs 575 in euro's, was the initial price difference much bigger?
Surely the Behringer one will keep the price of the KORG one down? That’s what I’m hoping
@@DanielPerryMusic Yeah probably. Strangely enough Behringer announced it first. Either Korgs will be noticably different (no keyboard or smaller?) or they must be willing to make it quite affordable.
OttoNL I bought the full size for 1400 euros, what a big mistake.
@@abelos1518 Oof that's rough, kinda insane how prices drop after a while. I now try not to be the first to get a synth, first batch is expensive and sometimes has issues.
Ok sorry for this dumb question, he keeps saying normalization what does that mean in this context and he says it a lot so it must be important
derek jurovich A synth like this has a number of input jacks (for patching and signal routing). These jacks are “normalled” internally so that the signal running through it ALWAYS comes out of the output, even if you’ve plugged in no other patch cables to re-direct the signal to your liking. These connections are normalled, or are “normally connected” to other relevant or expected points in the circuit. This approach keeps the sound flowing through the machine while you’re plugging and unplugging patch cables to experiment with your own signal routing ideas. Most current modular synths do not behave like this and have a steeper learning curve.
Pheurton Skeurto thank you for that in depth answer. This stuff gets really complex :)
Can't afford this but thats ok... I have a Matrixbrute
Or a behringer
Can't really hear the spring reverb, anyone else?
Why is reverb on most of the time?
Because it's built in and it makes things sound better
@@annother3350 I'm not too sure about that... When you try to focus on different functions of the synth that just spoils it.
@@neuroactive3301 I'm sure the guy was trying his best -- you can never please everyone
@@annother3350 Yes he was doing great job showing all the functions of this synth.
i am normalized...