Books Should NOT Be Censored | Roald Dahl & Goosebumps RANT

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  • čas přidán 17. 07. 2024
  • There seems to be a wave of book censorship going on right now and we need to talk about it. Puffin Books, a children’s imprint of Penguin Books. Announced that they are working to rewrite new editions of Roald Dahl’s children’s books to remove language related to race, gender, weight, and mental health that today’s readers might deem offensive. Turns out the Goosebumps books by R.L. Stine have also been getting revised without the author even knowing. what do you think about all this book censership? Let me know in the comments!
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  • @CapturedInWords
    @CapturedInWords  Před rokem +40

    I'm a little late covering this, I filmed this video like 3 weeks ago but just never edited it until now 😅 but I wanted to post it anyway! Let me know all your thoughts on book censorship!

    • @T.efpunkt
      @T.efpunkt Před rokem

      "censorship" is when a government restricts speech. When a publisher decides to change a product to make it more inclusive, it's called "capitalism".
      On a side note: the originals are still available for everyone to buy and read. This is just the typical outrage of racists who don't like the fact that the world keeps turning.

    • @salustianoberrios405
      @salustianoberrios405 Před rokem +2

      A local bookstore didn't want to stock my novels. Said they went against their store's "ethos"... care to help a brother out?

    • @techsoul5590
      @techsoul5590 Před rokem

      @@salustianoberrios405 What are they about?

    • @techsoul5590
      @techsoul5590 Před rokem +1

      Should never happen.

    • @keziahduncan5081
      @keziahduncan5081 Před rokem +2

      I think book censorship is wrong as an aunt to two little kids under the age of 4 it's harmful for them not too be able to have access too the original books as written. I grew up reading classics uncensored and my parents encouraged it because we needed to understand history and literature. I want my niece and my nephew to have that same understanding and love literature and reading as much as my mom and I do. Classic literature are a doorway to the past so why change it.

  • @Eirandir
    @Eirandir Před rokem +125

    "Those who don't learn from their history are doomed to repeat it" some people seem to forget erasing history is a great way to fall back on our past mistakes.

    • @michaeldallaway1988
      @michaeldallaway1988 Před rokem +1

      The evidence suggests that history will repeat whether people learn it or not.

  • @PhantomGreyfire
    @PhantomGreyfire Před rokem +83

    *"The path to hell is paved with good intentions."*
    Hard agree Jay. ☕

  • @idubstepaurora1879
    @idubstepaurora1879 Před rokem +87

    Because being called a “weirdo” is so much less common/“harmful” than being called a “nutcase” 😂😂😂 gotta love out of touch editors.

  • @epee11c
    @epee11c Před rokem +50

    I absolutely do not want books banned or censored. There is so much to learn from the past. Kids are smart, a couple books aren't going to warp their worldview.

  • @mellieg.7543
    @mellieg.7543 Před rokem +57

    Something that I also would like to add on the Roald Dahl books is that it feels like they are trying to make the tone "kinder" which wasn't at all Dahl's style. As a kid I actually liked how there were mean characters it taught me that real life isn't always going to be nice, but that didn't mean I would have to let it get me down.

    • @CapturedInWords
      @CapturedInWords  Před rokem +14

      Exactly! I feel like the best children's books are the ones that don't treat children like they are 'children' if that makes sense? Kids are a lot smarter then people often give them credit for, and the best stories are the ones that don't undermine their intelligence, but instead teach them the truths about life so that they can reflect on what they've read.

    • @OldNarnians
      @OldNarnians Před rokem

      @@CapturedInWords Yes! This is something I love about Narnia especially.

  • @lausdeo4944
    @lausdeo4944 Před rokem +35

    Yes!!! I knew I liked you!
    If the author is dead, LEAVE THE BOOK ALONE. I don't care what their estate says, the author is not there anymore.

  • @Morfeusm
    @Morfeusm Před rokem +15

    I full heartedly agree. It’s very unfortunate and worrying to hear about this. As a European citizen I am very concerned about this issue and I can’t quite understand why is this happening in democratic country.

    • @animalia5554
      @animalia5554 Před rokem +1

      I don’t understand it here, I don’t understand it in Europe.

  • @jodistibbard4625
    @jodistibbard4625 Před rokem +16

    I agree with you. If parents have concerns about what is written then they should be having conversations with their kids about why something is now offensive as opposed to just changing someone’s creations. I read Dahl as a kid and have not turned out a bigot or a racist. In fact my books were given to me by 2 teachers.

    • @CapturedInWords
      @CapturedInWords  Před rokem +1

      Exactly! Parents need to be communicating with their children more if they have worries. Children are way more intelligent then people often give them credit for, and I think the best children's books are the ones that do not undermine their intelligence and instead try to teach them about the truths of life in a way that doesn't hold their hand too much. The best kids books are often the ones that adults can enjoy as well, as they're not dumbed down.

    • @marypeterson1038
      @marypeterson1038 Před rokem +3

      I would add that I know of a couple books my parents read to me as a child that they self-censored some words in because they were trying to make them more appropriate for all of my siblings. As we grew older, they stopped doing that and started having conversations about the words. It was, in my opinion, a good way to start by introducing the story and also having the conversations at appropriate moments with us when we were ready for it, since sometimes the younger children wouldn't understand what they were talking about.

  • @Bookborn
    @Bookborn Před rokem +7

    Wow, thanks for the shout out! This video was so good and I was thinking how well you said stuff I didn’t 😅 Especially loved the context added with the RL Stine stuff - I couldn’t believe they tried to pass it off as his changes!

    • @CapturedInWords
      @CapturedInWords  Před rokem +4

      No problem! Your channel is really great, and I appreciate all the unique literature topics you cover in your videos 😊 Honestly, I feel like RL Stine should take legal action, as I just think that is so terrible for Scholastic to do that without even discussing it with him first. Hopefully more CZcamsrs and authors will speak up about censorship, so stuff like this doesn't continue to happen.

  • @juanmorales9738
    @juanmorales9738 Před rokem +30

    More booktubers need to speak out on this. Many have, but many more need to. It wouldn’t hurt if authors came out against this as well, but I have to assume they’re beholden to publishers.

    • @CapturedInWords
      @CapturedInWords  Před rokem +5

      I agree, it would be great to see more booktubers and authors speaking about this

    • @510tuber
      @510tuber Před rokem

      You're pretty susceptible to marketing, huh?

  • @TheAyeAye1
    @TheAyeAye1 Před rokem +9

    It was a joke in the Soviet Union that the future was certain but the past kept changing. This is where we seem to be now.

  • @curzon176
    @curzon176 Před rokem +4

    Publishers shouldn't have the legal right to change previously published works without approval of whoever hold rights to those intellectual properties. If they are legally allowed to, then that's a tragic oversight on behalf of authors everywhere.

    • @Michael-ee4uz
      @Michael-ee4uz Před rokem

      Ian Fleming's estate gave the permission so it's legal. I'm still against it completely. Were I an author I would leave as a stipulation in my will that my works not be altered or even adapted with censorship in mind by my descendants or estate holders. I'd want my works to bring my family wealth after my passing, but not that way.

  • @sarahhasanat9313
    @sarahhasanat9313 Před rokem +9

    Agatha Christie's books are being censored as well. In no time we'll have literature that is deprived of prose but inclusive. Because that's why people appreciate literature
    ...how inclusive it is

    • @angelaholmes8888
      @angelaholmes8888 Před rokem

      Wow I didn't know that

    • @Michael-ee4uz
      @Michael-ee4uz Před rokem

      We could also mention some of the glaring examples from the past, like Huck Finn having every N word changed to 'Robot'. At least that version didn't replace the old completely like these new examples seem to be intended to do.

    • @aporue5893
      @aporue5893 Před 4 měsíci

      sanitized ''entertainment''=not entertaining anymore.

  • @zanleuxs
    @zanleuxs Před rokem +3

    I can't imagine the arrogance of people who think they should be the authority on what our apparent delicate sensibilities can or can't handle. It's not just a slippery slope, it's insulting. Let people decide for themselves what they engage with, don't decide for them.

    • @Michael-ee4uz
      @Michael-ee4uz Před rokem +1

      This is why I'm against even forwards in books intended to warn about and explain the 'objectionable content' of books those people didn't write.

  • @jonathanbaumler
    @jonathanbaumler Před rokem +15

    Censoring is absolutely the same as book burning. If I was RL Stine, I would take Scholastic to court over that. That’s CRAZY that they would do that and not even tell him. If words are “hurting” people… the person has a problem, not the books.

  • @annejia5382
    @annejia5382 Před rokem +4

    Now I'm worried even more for the future of publishing. If they are doing this to books that they had no reason to touch because these are records of the past then they probably are also on the way to have a similar implementation for the books to be published in the future as a step before authors can publish a book. 💔

  • @anis_hadji
    @anis_hadji Před rokem +4

    The problem is that they are harming children by doing that, a child who was never exposed to reality will never be a normal person, I'm really afraid of what will become of the next generation, where overweight is praised rather than being treated, and where the word black is a curse word, and where there's no absolute truth and everyone may identify themselves as things they aren't. But the problem is that this only happens in the west, not every nation in the world agrees to this new values, what made the classics so popular and universal is that they were speaking of universal themes such as love, friendship... Etc, but now it is more focused on not harming certain groups while there's other subjects like religion are being discussed and mocked at without any limits.

  • @jennybeach3673
    @jennybeach3673 Před rokem +3

    I one hundred percent agree with everything you said. Book burning, book banning and editing already published books for censorship are all infringing on freedom of speech. If someone doesn’t like what an author is saying in their book - stop reading it. But to completely remove it? Pure nonsense.

  • @helenasf1782
    @helenasf1782 Před rokem +16

    This is a really refreshing video and you raised important concerns eloquently. Thanks for using your platform for this.

  • @Maximus0623
    @Maximus0623 Před rokem +2

    Great video! I completely agree. This type of censorship seriously reminds me of the censorship in the book 1984. We’re at the start of a slippery slope where you’re only allowed to say pre-approved words and history is being rewritten and/or erased.

  • @awrsavage
    @awrsavage Před rokem +3

    Censorship of language is rarely the sign of an informed civilised society. Its is also an arrogant assumption to suggest that future generations will not be able to interpret any works through the context of the period they were written in. The excuse of those who censor in order to manipulate, is often one of protection. Challenge, offence, negative behaviours, these are part of the human condition, and largely subject to personal interpretation. The writers domain is all facets of the human paradigm. Shielding the young from challenge breeds anxiety, low resilience and vulnerability - an easily manipulated generation.
    As such those editing books represent not only the darkest intentions but also the worst cuntary possible.

  • @tennilletobin7823
    @tennilletobin7823 Před 9 měsíci

    Agreed. Absolutely cannot believe the times I am living through - never thought I’d see the day!

  • @bigmeandaddy
    @bigmeandaddy Před rokem

    I will be PISSED if they can force my ebooks to update

  • @Cam_Wolfe
    @Cam_Wolfe Před rokem +6

    I think you set the whole situation out very well dude 👍 I completely agree. Out of date writing can and should be discussed, but changing it on behalf of the Authors (especially those who can't say "no") is just gross

    • @CapturedInWords
      @CapturedInWords  Před rokem +1

      Exactly! I think if parents or teachers have worries, they should communicate better with children about these, or educate them on the context of the book. But also, Children are way more intelligent then people often give them credit for, and I think the best children's books are the ones that do not undermine their intelligence and instead try to teach them about the truths of life in a way that doesn't hold their hand too much. The best kids books are often the ones that adults can enjoy as well, as they're not dumbed down. But if a book has outdated terms or language it should never be censored without the authors permission, there's plenty of other books out there to read.

  • @thekwjiboo
    @thekwjiboo Před rokem +2

    If they censor anything it should be the illustrations in those old "Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark" books. Jesus wept, I had so many nightmares as kids.

    • @CapturedInWords
      @CapturedInWords  Před rokem +1

      I feel like these gave a whole generation of children nightmares 😂😂😂 I remember flipping through these books with my friends in the school library just willingly traumatizing ourselves

  • @robward8247
    @robward8247 Před rokem +5

    ok, having watched the rest of this, i had no idea it was as bad as it was
    i thought it would just be censoring "BAD WORDS" like... that a person was black???
    but censoring the color of a worm?? or changing parts that are actually story related (the everyday jobs vs top scientist)
    and ya, not only is this a horrible idea on the face of it, there is also the crass financial aspect, of now pressuring schools/libraries to buy the "correct" versions, after all, what kind of place would choose to have those older harmful books!!

  • @alexm-e4910
    @alexm-e4910 Před rokem +2

    This only reminds me that the political spectrum is a circle, not a straight line and both extremes are right next to each other. Same actions, different hats

  • @RutzMac
    @RutzMac Před rokem +9

    Thanks for this vid! You made great arguments, and I totally agree! More critical thinking, less censorship; that's the key.

  • @kier21
    @kier21 Před rokem +2

    People need to toughen up

  • @loicapreda4239
    @loicapreda4239 Před rokem +7

    So glad you made a video about this! It’s CRAZY to me what they’re doing. What a f*cked up century we live in! I grew up reading offensive words in books and I think I’m a completely decent functioning human being! People need to stop treating kids like they’re super dumb creatures that need to be preserved from the outside world in silk and crystal until they’re 18!! They’re just creating monsters and Karens; as if this woke world we live in wasn’t crazy enough already 😅

    • @CapturedInWords
      @CapturedInWords  Před rokem +4

      So true! I grew up reading a lot of books and watching TV shows that had 'offensive' words or showcased the hard truths of reality, and I feel like I turned out pretty normal lol. I think the best children's books are the ones that don't treat children like they are 'children'. Kids are a lot smarter then people often give them credit for, and the best stories are the ones that don't undermine their intelligence, but instead teach them the truths about life so that they can reflect on what they've read. Usually the best children's books are the ones that adults can also enjoy.

  • @valarkov6455
    @valarkov6455 Před 9 měsíci +1

    Wait.. so Nicholson in Shining wasn't crazy maniac, but just a silly person? 🤔 So it was a comedy, not a horror? I see...

  • @christianantal8574
    @christianantal8574 Před rokem +7

    Well said. 100% agree! I think we also fall down a slippery slope when defining any author/artist as "good or bad". As if it's either/or. Every person has the capability to do questionable things or have questionable ideas. It's just not one or the other. There's a scale. The reader should be left to decide how they feel about the ideas and words relating to the time time period they're written in and how it affects them today. Making these kinds of edits is absolutely the same as book burning. The attempt is to make everyone think the same and act the same. I'm all for respect, representation, and inclusivity, but just who is it that's deciding what that means??? Great video Jay!

  • @omarfreire2707
    @omarfreire2707 Před 10 měsíci

    Thank you! Thank you for having courage to voice your disagreement with the censorship that’s going on. I also feel like the big publishing houses just stoped publishing novels that don’t show at least a slight progressive inclination.

  • @ReppavRevlis
    @ReppavRevlis Před rokem +21

    Very much agree with this take
    Only thing I would add is that to me an acceptable version of this would be to have ebooks where you could choose a specific version (original or altered) with included context when you start reading. Also then you could even flip between versions if necessary.

    • @CapturedInWords
      @CapturedInWords  Před rokem +6

      I agree! I think that idea would definitely be more acceptable than altering physical books where you don't have the option to flip between the original and altered version.

  • @andrewmoores7166
    @andrewmoores7166 Před rokem +1

    You are so right. It’s immoral and plain dumb to be censoring books. Write your own books if you want to, but don’t change classics.

  • @andrewkraft2586
    @andrewkraft2586 Před rokem +4

    Came here for Jay, stayed for based Jay. Love it!

  • @fatboy41bty
    @fatboy41bty Před rokem +3

    You pretty much covered most of my feeling on this matter. The one extra I will add though is it saddens me that my 2 year old won't get to enjoy these books the way I did. Unless I can find second hand, pre-censorship editions I simply won't be buying these. If I do happen to buy one and it's censored, I'm going back for a refund.
    I had also heard whisperings that after the backlash, Puffin announced that they would print both the original and the edited editions. If that were to happen, I would love to see the side by side sales figures in a few years.

  • @jade7398
    @jade7398 Před rokem +3

    Thank you so much for making this video... it is so scary to see so many people thinking censorship is acceptable. They are censoring Agatha Christie as well.

    • @CapturedInWords
      @CapturedInWords  Před rokem +2

      I didn't know about Agatha Christie getting censored! I hope more people speak up about this

    • @jade7398
      @jade7398 Před rokem +1

      @@CapturedInWords Nobody is talking about Agatha Christie, people are already getting used to it... And yesterday I also found out about Ursula K Le Guin as well... it is impossible to keep track of all the authors who are being censored.

  • @FarawayPictures
    @FarawayPictures Před rokem +1

    There was a very disappointing interview with Philip Pullman about this on Radio 4 in the UK.
    Basically, concerning Dahl he said you should just go and buy something better.

  • @worland102688
    @worland102688 Před rokem +1

    R.L. Stine should sue.

  • @gregsquires6201
    @gregsquires6201 Před rokem +5

    Completely agree. Some of the Dahl edits are just stupid. Not being able to describe a spider as black or a worm as pink? That's not even helping any sort of negative connotation, it's just stigmatizing black.

  • @kaykayy13
    @kaykayy13 Před rokem +2

    Serious Farenheit 451 vibes 🔥📚🤦‍♀️! Great video. I completely agree with everything you said. Scary world we live in where everything is being changed and molded and censored to appease the masses. I think we should be thinking more about teaching critical thought and less about making everything into a cookie cutter mold.

    • @Michael-ee4uz
      @Michael-ee4uz Před rokem

      Did you see the adaptation where they let people read a few heavily redacted books and said that should be enough for anyone? They showed some pages of the Bible with words replaced my emojis. Give it 10 more years to come true, maybe 5.

  • @insertname2035
    @insertname2035 Před rokem +5

    As a teacher who regularly reads to children I definitely skip words or sentences that are inappropriate for primary school aged kids. Just because a book is marketed for 8 year olds doesn't mean the content isn't a bit much for them

    • @CapturedInWords
      @CapturedInWords  Před rokem +20

      That's understandable, I think if a teacher or parent skips or changes words as they're reading a book to children that is totally okay. I just don't think it's right for a publisher to actually edit and revise an authors work without their permission.

    • @insertname2035
      @insertname2035 Před rokem +5

      ​@@CapturedInWords yeah I agree with that

  • @mirtareads2042
    @mirtareads2042 Před rokem +1

    Things they could do instead of changing words in book:
    - putting comments at the end of the books, explaining why some words are wrong and all the things we should change for the better;
    - encouraging critical thinking in children;
    - teaching children history

    • @Michael-ee4uz
      @Michael-ee4uz Před rokem

      I'm against that first bit. Who are they to tell me what words or attitudes are wrong based on their own subjective moral standards that will themselves change in another 5 years? Whether I can choose to read them or not, keep your comments away from the author's work of you aren't the author yourself.

    • @mirtareads2042
      @mirtareads2042 Před rokem

      @@Michael-ee4uz but comments are how literature is studied. What is a literature class if not the comment of another person work? Then is up to you to agree or not. It’s called critical thinking

    • @Michael-ee4uz
      @Michael-ee4uz Před rokem

      @@mirtareads2042 comments published with the text are unwelcome. It's one thing to join a book club or take a class or read an essay on a text, and another to force one on every purchaser by selling one person's opinion bound together forever with it.

    • @mirtareads2042
      @mirtareads2042 Před rokem

      @@Michael-ee4uz most classics have a comment or a foreword by expert. You can choose to read it or not. It’s quiete common

  • @Daijinthetripod
    @Daijinthetripod Před rokem +3

    I completely agree, Jay. Changing an authors text doesnt feel right. As you said books are a time capsule.

  • @LightningNC
    @LightningNC Před rokem +3

    Thank you for actually putting out genuine content on this most accursed of days, April 1st.

  • @philtrabaris7033
    @philtrabaris7033 Před rokem +3

    Completely agree! Well done. Thank you

  • @JuniperBoy
    @JuniperBoy Před rokem +2

    I read Roald Dahl, Enid Blyton, H. Rider Haggard etc as a child in the 80s. In retrospect, some of that stuff would be pretty cringy if I were to read it again today, but I didn't grow up to be a racist body-shaming misogynist with a white-saviour complex. These books were of their time; children should be given the chance to employ critical thinking. There's plenty of problematic stuff in Shakespeare, Dickens, the Bible etc, and these aren't generally bowdlerised.

  • @cheyannemiller4787
    @cheyannemiller4787 Před rokem

    Very well said Jay! Never in history has censoring or banning a book ever been a good idea.

  • @cihaidw4325
    @cihaidw4325 Před rokem +5

    I like the idea of a disclaimer at the start of the book or even a footnote here and there where the out of date language is used. Not that kids will like reading footnotes but at least the original work would remain intact.

    • @bennyv4444
      @bennyv4444 Před rokem

      I’m curious because my kneejerk reaction is that I really don’t understand where you are coming from. What do you think the benefit would be?

    • @cihaidw4325
      @cihaidw4325 Před rokem

      @@bennyv4444 I don’t know that there is one, but I think it’s better than changing the original text.
      Edit: I’m coming from the stance of if they’re going to do something along these lines anyway, a disclaimer (as mentioned in the video) or a footnote is better than changing the text. Though, my preference would be no change at all.

  • @ajaxplunkett5115
    @ajaxplunkett5115 Před rokem +2

    Ian Flemming's James Bond books have characters diverse with many different backgrounds and points of view which take place from the 1930's through the war years into the cold war and they ( the publishers ) are editing the thoughts and words of these people anyway- to have them in line with 2023 thoughts and words!!! bull crap!

  • @josieg.608
    @josieg.608 Před rokem +3

    I do have to say… With Agatha Christie’s And Then There Were None I don’t mind the censorship of that one. But most of the time censorship really bothers me too!!!

  • @sesshowmarumonoke
    @sesshowmarumonoke Před rokem +2

    But if not to read it as the writer intended, then what's the point? "Let's not call them fat, it's offensive." Man, that is just part of charaterization, a person's physique defines their personalities to an extent. And if we go down that road, we could pretty much strip all description of characters. There will always be somewhere where seemly harmless characterisc like having a mustache will be considered offensive. I heard a lot of jokes about blonde people being dumb. That's no reason to remove "blonde" or "fair haired" from books. No reason is a reason to censor character description in a book. Don't like it? Don't read it. Simple.

  • @SpencerJ289
    @SpencerJ289 Před rokem +1

    Was just wanting to get my 10 y/o nephew into Goosebumps. Looks like I gotta track some old copies down.

  • @ladybooksugarfairy
    @ladybooksugarfairy Před rokem

    I'm shocked... (with all this happening, I completly agree with you)

  • @leonmayne797
    @leonmayne797 Před rokem +2

    James Bond? Seriously? Those aren't even kids books!

  • @dinocollins720
    @dinocollins720 Před rokem +2

    Roald Dahl got me into reading! I hated reading so bad when I was young! I got so bored, I couldn't pay attention, and felt like I was a slow reader. Then I found his books!!! I binged them all! He started my love of fantasy.
    In addition, all his books have incredible messages!!! I am against every part of these changes! TBH he was very open forward thinking for his time! I think this makes me upset because people get the idea that Roald Dahl was like a raging racist when I (a black guy) have always admired Dahl and studied and read about his life. Dahl was literally a WW2 vet, fighter pilot, diplomat, spy, and of course an author to name a few.
    I just don't think we should hold people in the past to our standards, but instead try to have empathy and judge them for situation they were in.

  • @jordansjournals
    @jordansjournals Před rokem +3

    I agree with you 100%

  • @archon8519
    @archon8519 Před rokem +2

    Exactly. There is a big difference in an author revisiting earlier works and revising things based on their own evolving perspectives vs. someone else changing an author's words after they are dead. It's assuming that our 2023 views are now objectively morally correct and that nothing we think now will be seen as out of touch thirty years from today. Just silly.

  • @michaeldallaway1988
    @michaeldallaway1988 Před rokem +3

    The cynic in me thinks it's just a way for publishers to make extra money from a new printing. Controversy = cash. Meanwhile actual book banning continues

    • @CapturedInWords
      @CapturedInWords  Před rokem +1

      I could definitely see this being a factor 🤔the controversy alone has caused a lot of people to go out and buy the original editions before they get revised in fear that they'll never sell the originals again (though it has been confirmed they'll continue selling the original text along with new revised ones).

  • @anttisaksi5735
    @anttisaksi5735 Před rokem

    I can't believe this !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @apebblemaster4570
    @apebblemaster4570 Před rokem +1

    I heard that the same thing is happening to Agatha Christie's books, in that (among other seemingly innocuous things) they are removing the words "black", so that "black person" reads simply "person." Um, isn't that a bit racist? Are they whitewashing Agatha Christie's books?

  • @RC-lw5lw
    @RC-lw5lw Před rokem +1

    Censorship is a very slippery slope...if you want to call a 90° angle a slope.

  • @markbest9502
    @markbest9502 Před rokem

    Love your channel Jay. As someone who works in mental health, I think terms like crazy, nutcase, etc. Can in fact be pretty stigmatizing. I understand your point and there is not a clear and great answer to this. But I can see the other side of the argument. A book like Huckleberry Finn presents a huge problem if we start editing offensive language, for example. I don't have the correct answer but I just wanted to make that point related to mental health.

  • @ilikecomicstoareallyproble8617

    I really don't care, as long as the author/the estate is consenting, the Goosebumps ones actually made my blood boil, due to Mr. Stine still being alive and changing it without thinking to consult the man first.

  • @SeolianAstrionica
    @SeolianAstrionica Před 2 měsíci

    I'm against censorship, but another reason I will never buy a new edition of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory is simply because I think the illustrations of Joseph Schindelman are superior to those of Quentin Blake.

  • @element1777sfa
    @element1777sfa Před rokem +10

    Hit the nail on the head! Books are a product of their time and provide the audience an insight into the world past. They are works of art and should never be changed. Will we next censor the Mona Lisa because she does not represent today's values of diversity?

  • @janetquinn5570
    @janetquinn5570 Před rokem +3

    👋👍agree wholeheartedly

  • @user-ek1qx7tt1p
    @user-ek1qx7tt1p Před rokem

    When are we getting a kickstarter from you? I’m ready to support

  • @respecttheface7152
    @respecttheface7152 Před rokem +3

    Couldn't R.l. stine win in a Court case ?

    • @CapturedInWords
      @CapturedInWords  Před rokem +4

      Probably! Honestly, I think he really should take scholastic to court over this

  • @doc_adams8506
    @doc_adams8506 Před rokem

    "You are not entitled to someone else's genius." Can I get a witness! Another issue is that these "sensitivity" companies are essentially extorting publishers and authors.
    SC: Please let us scan your upcoming books.
    P/A: There's nothing wrong with our books.
    SC: The landscape is becoming increasingly sensitive, and the public discourse more and more nuanced. We're nothing more than insurance against a potential PR nightmare.
    P/A: We have inhouse editors.
    SC: But are they experts is our area of expertise?
    P/A: Thanks, but no thanks.
    SC: That's a shame that an organization/individual can be so shortsighted. We will be publishing the name of your books and authors on our website under the heading of dangerous books and authors and publishers.
    Granted, the conversation may not have been that blunt, but that conversation is happening.

  • @robward8247
    @robward8247 Před rokem +3

    thank god you have the only correct view on this

  • @alexm-e4910
    @alexm-e4910 Před rokem

    Hi there, Fellow Canadian!
    So, one thing that comes to mind for me about censorship is Disney’s Peter Pan movie. That has some… ahem… problematic depictions of Indigenous Peoples but just by showing the disclaimer at the front of the movie, a lot of potential damage is undone and the educational value of the film is expanded.

    • @CapturedInWords
      @CapturedInWords  Před rokem

      Hello! 🍁
      That's a great example! A disclaimer can go a long way to help people understand the context and learn how things have changed. I believe Disney has done that with a lot of their early animations, and I think that is definitely the better way to go then to censor art.

    • @Michael-ee4uz
      @Michael-ee4uz Před rokem

      ​@@CapturedInWords I'm against disclaimers and forwards in books meant to give modern moral context. It's a bit different than an R rating for explicit language in a movie as it's usually more subjective and judgemental. Who is the person or organization making that disclaimer to define what is moral or objectionable for me? Particularly as they are never the original authors.
      The DVD set of Looney Tunes I once bought my nephew included an un-skippable 5 minute monologue by Whoopi Goldberg about why the racism was left in the cartoons. While I agree there was racism in them, who is she to lecture us on it? That should have been my job.
      I agree with your video save that point/alternative. Thank you for the discussion!

  • @mary-janebrewington8503
    @mary-janebrewington8503 Před rokem +3

    I think we wouldn't change the books too, but for a slightly different reason. Part of the reason we look back to the past is to learn from it and to strive to do better. We shouldn't change the past, but use it as a step towards doing something better.
    Instead of editing or censoring authors like Dahl or Stein, write new books reflecting the views and ideas we want to share. Be the change you want to see in the world

    • @CapturedInWords
      @CapturedInWords  Před rokem

      I definitely agree! I mention that in the video too, as humans it's important to self-reflect and to use history to improve ourselves. I think we should constantly be striving to be better, and we can learn a lot from the past :)

  • @vivic.k.c.4244
    @vivic.k.c.4244 Před rokem

    Great Points! I totally agree!

  • @lonesoul663
    @lonesoul663 Před rokem

    I couldn't care less about how people feel in modern times.

  • @pampalumbo8678
    @pampalumbo8678 Před rokem

    Well said! 👍👍

  • @abhiramboralkar5782
    @abhiramboralkar5782 Před rokem +3

    I believe the original version of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory had a very different take on the oompa loompas, to put things mildly. They were changed to the current version many decades ago, but this was done by Roald Dahl while he was still alive. I don’t think it’s right to change someone’s work after they die. Perhaps a different way to go would be to release an “abridged and adapted” version of the same book and mention the name of the new author who works on it along with the previous work.

  • @aporue5893
    @aporue5893 Před 4 měsíci

    I hate what theyv'e done to roald dahl books.It's not okay.

  • @diamonddog5275
    @diamonddog5275 Před rokem +1

    Im so happy with your opinions on this subjects.

  • @sierradickerson1608
    @sierradickerson1608 Před rokem

    I'm in college and im doing my ending speech on book banning so this is awesome. 👌

    • @CapturedInWords
      @CapturedInWords  Před rokem

      Awesome, I'm glad this video could help! Feel free to use any of what I said in your speech 👍

  • @kaiju_k5042
    @kaiju_k5042 Před rokem

    Love this video, content changes like that are dangerous, if we don't learn from history it repeats itself and some of that stuff wasn't even offensive in any way, like using the word "black" is a bad thing? It seriously gave me rage just watching this. Leave it as it, the only thing that we can change is the future, where people learn from the past and try to be and do better. We don't all have to agree on everything but we all have to live together and get along.
    Great video!

  • @SuperDoctor9
    @SuperDoctor9 Před rokem +2

    Honestly this is just, if you'll pardon the now apparent unacceptable phrasing, crazy. These groups and publishers don't even seem to be censoring harmful things. Books are a way for us to have an open dialogue with the past and if we change the voice of the past then we are unable to have that interesting conversation. I understand the desire to try and shield children from the harmful views of the past but this is not the way to do it, this is an incredibly lazy way of doing it. Have children interact with the past and teach them how to develop critical thinking, so they can see harmful things or views they don't agree with and find out why they're harmful or why they don't agree with them

  • @dinocollins720
    @dinocollins720 Před rokem +1

    Such good takes!!! Love this entire video!!!

  • @eurydiceshadowcry
    @eurydiceshadowcry Před rokem +1

    books should stay the way the author wrote it. yes things are different now then when the book may have been published. and some things may be hurtful how they were written, but we need to remember how the world was so we dont go back to it. having books written stay as they were written opens conversations as to why things needed to change. censorship is wrong. and i will never buy or support a book that has been edited.

  • @greyowlaudio
    @greyowlaudio Před rokem +1

    One word: Areopagitica.
    Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this topic! 🙂 It's a complex one that lots of people feel very strongly about on both sides. I also consider censorship without author consent a destruction of that author's IP. However, I do agree that in some cases, the author or their estate agrees to the changes, and that makes the situation different.

    • @Michael-ee4uz
      @Michael-ee4uz Před rokem

      Yeah, I would be completely on board with my estate telling the world I was a raging racist and homophobe by editing my legacy to remove the words 'black' and 'queer', especially when they were used to describe an odd species of bird or something.

  • @Jeanette_Medina
    @Jeanette_Medina Před rokem +1

    Totally agree with you!!!

  • @MCguy52
    @MCguy52 Před rokem +2

    This chasing the modern audiences is stupid. Those types never buy anything and you piss off the actual fans.

  • @juand1rection
    @juand1rection Před rokem

    The censorship in these new versions definitely went overboard, but sometimes it’s necessary. The version of chocolate factory before this had the racist caricatures in the original that were pretty bad changed.

  • @techsoul5590
    @techsoul5590 Před rokem

    Could you imagine how immense the changes would be if they got hold of something like Wheel of Time?
    Also, "Around the Twist", basically the Australasian Goosebumps but grosser and weirder and less Halloween type spooky.

    • @CapturedInWords
      @CapturedInWords  Před rokem +2

      I saw Alex Meyers make a video on the Around the Twist Tv show and have been super interested in it ever since! But yeah, I guess we sort of saw an example of how The Wheel of Time could be censored with the Amazon show, as they changed a lot to make it feel more modern, which really ruined the show in my opinion. I hope more people speak up about books being censored.

  • @OldNarnians
    @OldNarnians Před rokem

    I gotta say, the one that makes me the angriest is the change from "enormously fat" to "quite large" I don't even know why, that one just stuck out to me, but it's absolutely insane! It completely changes the meaning of the sentence! Part of Roald Dahl's charm is his wacky prose and word choice, and now an entire generation of kids might grow up feeling that his books are inconsistent and dull.

    • @OldNarnians
      @OldNarnians Před rokem

      Wait wait wait I unpaused and they added a dedication?!?!?!?!?!? That is solely the author's purview! I've never even heard of an editor suggesting changes!

  • @cybersketcher1130
    @cybersketcher1130 Před rokem +2

    This is all honestly common sense, just explained very carefully so that the people doing the censorship might understand. Which I guess is needed.

  • @alicedaisyspace
    @alicedaisyspace Před rokem

    So many great points! I totally agree.

  • @Saturnchild56
    @Saturnchild56 Před rokem +1

    I am in total agreement with you

  • @DimitrisLian
    @DimitrisLian Před rokem

    100% agree with you, Jay.

  • @jackiesliterarycorner
    @jackiesliterarycorner Před rokem +2

    I think censorship is the easy way out to erase and ignore the bad aspects on the way of thinking of the past. As you and everyone else has said, how will we learn if we don't know about the past? It's also up to the parents and guardians of these children to explain what's right and wrong in these books. Also reading stuff in books that was mean or insensitive didn't make me more inclined to think it was okay to say those things to say.

  • @ambeatch
    @ambeatch Před rokem +2

    #based! Couldn't agree more

  • @Eloweh
    @Eloweh Před rokem

    I don’t believe in censorship either, the only time I think it’s okay is when it comes to inappropriate books in schools. I don’t think any school should have anything rated R in the books which often gets over looked. But that’s a different subject, I totally agree with you on everything you said.

  • @ailon92
    @ailon92 Před rokem +2

    You can publish books with a comment if you don't like what is said in it or if you want to distance yourself from it but you can not change the text once the author is dead!

    • @Michael-ee4uz
      @Michael-ee4uz Před rokem

      I wouldn't even go as far as to say it's ok to publish books with comments or forwards with warnings and explanations. Who are those people writing them to tell me what to think about the content of a book based on their own modern, and only current, sensibilities? In ten years they'll have to write a forward to their own forward commenting on how insensitive it was.