Phoenix 200 Lab Scans vs Home Scans | Direct Comparison
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- čas přidán 17. 12. 2023
- After making a video about shooting Harman Photo's new 35mm color film stock, Phoenix 200, I received some comments regarding the integrity of the scans I received. I also saw some varying results online, so I thought I'd do some home scans of this film to compare with the lab scans. Now, it's important to note that in the video I made about shooting Phoenix 200, I DID NOT edit my lab scans at all. I wanted to show the images exactly the way I received them from the lab. The results from the lab were pretty in line with the way Harman described the characteristics of the film stock: "quirky, cross-processed vibe." In this video, I also edit the lab scans to attempt to get them looking decent and to see how well they hold up through the process.
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If you want to mess around with editing/converting these photos, the link to download the lab scans and home scans is in the description! (for free of course)
I randomly tried to re-scan some of my labs scans of Phoenix 200 and the difference was night and day! I got mine scanned at a reputable lab but I was shocked when saw the results from my mirrorless scanning setup. Glad you put this out there for people who might not know.
Yeah it’s a wild difference. This stock definitely benefits from a home scan.
Thanks a lot for the scans download, Brae!
No prob!
Whoa, you're getting all technical on us. I like that! You really did a great service to this film with all your work. The amount of information and dynamic range the Noristu gets, even though it doesn't color balance well at all with this film, is pretty impressive. Cheers!
Also wild to think that these Noritsu machines are quite old and still producing really solid results. No question that home scanning is the move for this film if you plan to make prints. For posting on instagram and such I think you can just edit lab scans and call it good haha.
What a huge improvement, really leaving nothing behind. Glad you were able to save these photos from such a big trip 😄🤘🏾
Yeah pretty wild haha!
Thanks!
Great video. It’s a huge difference.
Indeed.
Thanks for watching!
Awesome work on this video, I'm just going back into home scanning so seeing the way you prep your home scans has been helpful.
Thanks!
And nice move getting back into it. A little time consuming, but worth it!
@@BraeHunziker Thanks for the encouragement. I'm fighting for every second of free time with the full time job and two toddlers in the house..
this video was great! I'm a big fan of home scanning being so much more flexible with the tools that are available now (NLP) - great results
Thanks dude! And yeah home scanning delivers some great results across the board.
Looks like the lab just couldn't be arsed lol great job with the home scans and edits!
I used a 90mm Tamron on a ful frame Sony at iso 200 and a light box. I was copying 1950s Kodachrome slides... I actually was bracketing my shots and wound up combining the three expsoures as HDR in LrC and the results were great. Very little editing needed... I really liked Brae's edits and this is a good example of taste vs. technical in interpreting the negatives...
Nice! That sounds like a cool process. Might have to mess with some bracketing on my home scans.
I think I must be very lucky. My lab scans have been far more "ok" than what many have shown, though I have had some shots be completely unusable too due to too much contrast (as well as missed focus). Does help that I am blessed with very flat light at the moment.
Oh that's good. In the more evenly lit images, I noticed the lab scans were actually fine. Just in some of those photos with really mixed light it seemed like the Noritsu scanner from the lab struggled a bit.
First of all, that is a great set of images you have made. It might be worth having a word with the Guys at the Lab you used to get their opinion.
I’d like to get a behind the scenes look at the Noritsu scanning process. Would be cool to see if there’s an option to get LOG scans from those machines.
Very interesting video, love your work so much.
When you are editing photos in the video here, is that Tiff copies becaus it looks like you are editing the photos the normal way, in LR after NLP, it use to be revered. I mean when you retaqne highlights you move to minus but it use to be the oposite way. I hope you understand my hope less english..
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Merry christmas to you Brae and Alisia.
Thank you! And yes, there is a little option at the bottom of the Negative Lab Pro window that says "make a copy." When you select that then press "apply," it will create a regular image with the conversion applied so you can edit it in Lightroom like you would any other photo! Hope that made sense!
Do fingerprints on a film enhance scanning results?
This seems to be what others have found too. Lab scans tend to favor heavy contrast with this stock.
Yep
Had your scan received the Pheonix scanning guides from Harman? They have a bunch of guides online, and if they don’t have a lot of experience with the stock; and they need to scan at speed to make sure they turn a profit; you can see how they might default to other crunchy contrasts defaults and we end up where we are now.
I cannot afford Film Photography at this point in my life, the way or how many i do at least. But i can see why photography is extremely subjective. You take the same film and use 1,000 different film cameras, and Post Processing or water tempt, film chemicals. Pre or post warm. Lab Scans, Home Scan, Camera Scan. Different lens, aperture, light metering and even printing on 20 different papers with different inks makes every print unique. But seen how home scan you can change so much in shadows, the sky ect is quiet amazing how much you brought back to this film.
You are correct, and truthfully, I don't so much care to get into all the nitty gritty technical details when it comes to photography. I'd rather focus on going out and having a cool experience while shooting. If the end product turns out, that's a bonus. Cheers!
Genuine question - what's the point of changing the color grading/wheels as opposed to just changing the white balance and/or saturation? Doesn't that alter the natural colors that are from the film?
I usually don't touch the color wheels unless there seems to be a specific color shift in the scan. The wheels just allow for more precision compared to only adjusting the white balance or saturation.
Don’t suppose you could list the gear you are using for the home scanning?
Sony a7iv
Sony 90mm macro
Negative Supply premium curated scanning setup
Negative Lab Pro for converting negatives in Lightroom
I've always said your photos are only as good as the lab tech you use. Kyle McDougall also had good results from home scanning.
It seems to be a common result across the board with these Noritsu and Fuji frontier machines, no matter which lab you go to. Blue Moon Camera in Portland had similar punchy results from their scanner.
@@BraeHunzikerharman released some scanning settings for popular scanners on their site. I wonder if these labs are using them
The lab files are tiff or jpeg? Your home scan was raw or jpeg? I ask because, seems to me, the lab scan got a lot of room to edit, besides the huge contrast... And, it seems to me, there is a exposure difference between your scan and the lab's. Yours seem a little more exposed to the shadows, while the lab's kinda exposes to the highlights, idk... But the color difference between both is impressive 😮 nice video, I love how many questions about the process it made me ask...
Lab scans: TIFF, Home scans: RAW.
And yeah I think the lab scans favor the highlights quite a bit. I wish I could see plan, unedited scans from the lab’s Noristsu instead of the auto adjustments those machines make during the scanning process.
Maybe I'm just jumping the gun, but this video beautifully highlights why I completely lost interest in shooting film 😂 Why pay someone else to ruin my photos for me? I can do that on my own for free with digital
Digital is obviously a much more logical choice. The experience when shooting film is fun and different, and a big reason why I continue to do it. 95% of the time my film images turn out just fine, but this specific film stock is a bit of an exception.
now I really don't see the appeal of this film.
And film is also about the feel and considering that film is so expensive these days - its is a bit disappoint and doesn’t make much sense to me. I still appreciate Ilford’s effort
I'm optimistic to see it improve as they continue to iterate on this. But it's not for everyone I can understand. I like old weird cross processed stuff so I kinda like the "bad" lab scan look haha!
i don't think anyone really expected this to be the next portra or anything like that. It's their first go at this, it's a beta test like in gaming. I think it's neat and has a very distinct look to it, even if isn't really applicable to a lot of things.
I just wish it wasn’t $14/roll. If it was $6-$7 per roll I think it’d be more of a justifiable film. But I also agree that it’s an impressive first attempt for Ilford.