Negative Lab Pro vs Grain2Pixel
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- čas přidán 23. 07. 2024
- Joe has used Negative Lab Pro for a really long time. But, he recently tried an alternative called Grain2Pixel and was blown away by the results. So, he goes into deep detail comparing the two tools and he chooses to use them in different situations.
Grain2Pixel: The link for G2P has been deleted. You might still be able to find it somewhere, but no longer on the main site.
Negative Lab Pro: www.negativelabpro.com/
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0:00 | INTRO
1:13 | Negative Lab Pro - Pros
5:32 | Negative Lab Pro - Cons
8:13 | Grain2Pixel - Pros
11:30 | Grain2Pixel - Cons
15:28 | NLP and G2P comparison
17:27 | Final thoughts
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Great work on this comparison. I'll give G2P a try for sure.
Excited to see your results
So glad I found your video! I have been ruminating on purchasing NLP but have been put off by the price here in the UK as VAT has to be added making it quite expensive. I only shoot small amounts of colour film so found it difficult to justify the cost even though I thought NLP was wonderful when I tried it. However, last night I installed the G2P plugin and was dumfounded! Absolutely brilliant results. I was lucky enough to have some old prints with the original negatives and ran a trial between both plugins. Both were near identical except NLP rendered all reds as slightly purple but G2P was spot on and indistinguisable from the original print. Excellent plugin and perfect for me.
Glad it works for you. And you can't argue with the price.
Glad G2P is getting some "press" - I love it.. deserves much more popularity. Great colours.
Yea! It's super easy and bright and bold. Definitely not for everyone, but it really can be so great!
Really glad I stumbled upon this video but I had to replay several parts because I couldn't understand the mumbling. Thanks for the comparison though of the two programs.
Glad it helped! Sorry about the mumbling. Working to be better, but it's against my nature. In college, when I was a DJ at our radio station, the manager stuck a huge sign on my wall that just said "ENUNCIATE" whenever I was in the room. 😂
@@JTobiason Haha! It's all good. Thanks again for the info!
Nice comparison..but you forgot one very big difference. $0 vs $99! For what it does G2P is a MUCH better tool!
For $99 you can buy 10 rolls or film and got many memories captured.
It's hard to argue with that price point. Over time, the other options that offer more technical options are a good choice for a lot of folks, but if memory capture and actually using your $ to make photos is the goal, you can't go wrong!
I agree with you I struggled a lot with NLP especially in colour film I always have to work hard to get the colours right, when this happens I often use G2P and I can guarantee it normally comes out just right. Developing film can be a pain in the ass at times and I wish Adobe would make something for conversions.
Yea. NLP is definitely way more powerful. But sometimes you just want simple and G2P can do that well. And yea. It would be awesome if Adobe or CaptureOne would just make something native. But then again, Adobe products crash all the time so I don't know if I want them to be in charge ;)
Thanks for the comparison! I think the G2P Images sometimes even seem a little oversaturated. But imo it's always better to have more colors and then be able to desaturate them if you need to. I'll definitely give G2P a try!
Yea. I get that. It's all up to different folks' preferences. Enjoy!
Glad you made this video. I was excited about G2P because I use Photoshop and C1 but don't use LR. My gripe with NLP is having to use LR so G2P wins on that account. Your color examples were helpful, though I had the opposite reaction, I thought the NLP images looked way better. The G2P images looked like the sat was turned up. I'll definitely sample to see what my experience is and hope it works for me. Sadly, C1 is not interested in this space so I'm looking at doing this in PS, but hoping I can get good enough results so I won't have to us LR. I'm mostly interested in scanning my 4x5 negs so those would be going one at a time so the other issues don't matter to me.
If you want to try some other ways of photoshop based conversion, I have a video up from an old workflow that I used to use before I started NLP that could be of use:
czcams.com/video/P5P5BQ18gOg/video.html
Thanks for the comparison. I've been using G2P and was wondering if I was missing out by not paying for NLP. From this comparison I can see that currently NLP doesn't offer my personal work flow many advantages.
Glad it was helpful! There are so many amazing tools out there right now and the key is knowing how to use the right ones to help out. Cheers!
Just bought NLP and now I learn about G2P.. brilliant xD
They both have advantages. I would say that since I made this video, the latest updates to NLP have been HUUUUUGE steps forward. If I made this today, I don't know if I'd say the same stuff. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
16:47, well I don't know - was the kid, you were taking a photo of, orange?
Everyone has their own taste. Cheers!
Many people praising the newest NLP update. Does your assessment of the colour conversion still hold?
Thanks for the question. I would definitely amend my previous criticisms of NLP after this update. It has taken some HUGE strides and I'm really impressed. Nothing is perfect, but I don't struggle with those as much as before.
thanks for the comparison - in my opinion, most of NLP's correction functions are redundant to Lightroom, e.g. lighten shadows or styles. Grain2Pixel produces, from my point of view, "RAW" - files like I get them from my camera - i.e. I have the same workflow for both image sources. The most important thing for me are the most correct colors and contrasts - thanks again for your report.
Makes sense. I'd say that G2P can bake in settings a bit much, but it definitely does make for a file that's easy to work in the end. Glad it helps!
Only issue I've found about G2P so far is the fact that it produces kind of a weird, digital texture in my scans. NLP doesn't do that for me. That being said, I couldn't decide which one I like better since this amount of detail isn't shown on social media anyways. Maybe for prints I'll use NLP and for social media I'd use G2P.
Yea. That's always the trouble. I think that's the way it goes with any conversion tool. There are things that work well and others that I don't. But, the more you know what you want, the easier it is to make a workflow that works for you.
@@JTobiason Yes indeed. That's why I try to think of it rather objectively. No program or plugin does it all perfectly.
Thanks for making this video, spending $100 is a lil too much for a college student who shoots film casually. I'll get Grain2Pixel rn.
Enjoy!
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G2P seems rather inconvenient. It's great that it's free and available for donations until it gets polished better. Thanks for the comparison.
To each their own. It has it's promise and some upsides, but also it's far from perfect. Just trying to show the options so you can find the one that's perfect for you. Cheers!
@@JTobiason definitely appreciate the video because not many people talk about the options for film to digital translation. Thanks man
That portrait of the young girl.... I guess taste differs, because I don't like the oversaturated colors at all. Regardless of preference, it's always beter to start with a more low contrast neutral color, you can easily add this in post.
Totally true, if you are planning to do a lot of work to something (especially if for clients). For just for funsies photos, sometimes it's nice to have stuff just done quickly. For that, it's just a fun photo of my daughter and I appreciate not having to put a lot of extra thought into it. But, I do totally agree with you for actual work.
Is it just me or it's no longer avaliable...?
Huh. Yea. Looks like there is a 503 error on the site. Bummer.
@@JTobiason It is still free, is there a chance we can get a link? Thanks for getting back to me so soon
Your first pro for Negative Lab Pro is a con for me. I don't use Lightroom, and I really don't want to shell out more money to buy it just to run NLP. Wish there was a Photoshop/Camera Raw version of NLP.
We all have our own systems.
This makes me feel way out of date. My scans are reversed in Photoshop, then separate RGB channels stretched to fill the colourspace in the Curves menu item. Mind you, having been hand printing colour since 1969, my grasp of colour theory should be quite good by now. Both these plugins seem to work by presenting you with many presets, without any need to know what goes on under the bonnet (hood). NLP being a kind of set of offsets to your initial scanned image; while G2P more like the Photoshop I was using, providing one finished file, or individually saved files at different stages of a manipulation.
That's impressive to have that level of control. I sometimes do a little bit of that sort in PS as well (see my original "how I scan vid" czcams.com/video/P5P5BQ18gOg/video.html ). It definitely gives you the most control if you can do it all yourself, but these things are great to help take away some of the initial color work so that you're more working on the creative color side of things, rather than initial balancing.
@@JTobiason Thanks. I never used Lightroom, though gather it does batch processing. I take it you are doing commercial work, in which case a "good enough" system is all you need. There's a similar batch approach in wet processing called a colour contact sheet! It does sadden me photographers on YT seem uninterested in how their scanners work, and just leave it all to the software, which they equally don't want to understand. For example, when you look at RGB colour negative histogrames you can see immediately if all 3 channels are in the same space within the gammut, remembering the negative has a much smaller tonal range than a normal image or reversal processed transparency. If not, what would you do? Go figure!!
So basically this film is just a BIG advert for Negative Lab Pro !!! but off course all of its functions are in Photoshop and Lightroom already ! So why buy a product that has just lifted out of Photoshop ??? Beats me !
All those tools are definitely available, it's more of a question of what tools fit your workflow and volume.
@@JTobiason True, but NLPro still only gives you a select few, if you truly want to explore what your personal style is NLPro is not the especially at 100 $, Photoshop is and it is in the same package as Lightroom. Cheers
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Thanks for the feedback