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‘I’ve won that cup as much as Arsenal’ 😂😂😂😂
How can you be a giant in a competition that you've never won?
Are PSG & Atletico Madrid European giants?
Psg??
@@DercudezNo they are NOT!! but they are favorites each .Don't confuse yourself of European Giants with big club 😂😂
Assnaa never won a CL. NEVER. Last PL was 20 years ago. They bottled the league after being on top for 247 days. They bottled top 4 to spurs. Banter club DNA.
Okay then Steaua Bucharest is a European Giant
As an Arsenal fan....I'm struggling with Darren's logic there. 🤣
Then you are not an Arsenal fan 😂
@@davidhamilton768nah he’s just not the typical deluded Arsenal fan 😂
@@cozzy9208😅😅😅😅
He's not being delusional is all
Whenever the sentence starts with "I'm an Arsenal fan" you can almost guarantee that it's not an Arsenal fan.
Top 5 European Giants.
Real Madrid
Liverpool
AC Milan
Barcelona
Bayern Munich
Arsenal are a million miles away. End of debate.
Can’t be a giant if your not in it,enjoy Thursday nights lad
Ajax
Strange. Before Ronaldinho/Messi era. Barcelona had won the CL once back in 1994. They too weren't a giant in European football....technically speaking.
@@miamitten1123well, at least they’ve won it! 🤷🏻♂️
@@Jay12127 Ah yes one time they aren't in it and now aren't a giant, 6 times for a reason bozo
So essentially...Arsenal are in the top 5 clubs when it comes to the Champions League without having EVER won it. Brilliant!
well yeah they are currently, if you can't work that out hmmm maybe it aint for you...
@@paddowhitthey are 4th in the PL let alone Europe 😂
@@paddowhit I don't think you understand my comment, so I won't engage beyond this reply.
@@spliffveron Everyone loves to hate on Arsenal, Always have always will.
I’m a united fan and he named utd city and arsenal but not Liverpool haha wtf
Darren Bent having right mare here. After 1season finishing as first loser and 1 game back in the CL after 6 years and they are European Giants lol
European giant does not only mean playing in the CL. Aren't Arsenal among the ten biggest clubs in Europe?
@@samayo9746 my point was it’s gone to their heads
Arsenal on a domestic level are the 3rd most successful club by a long way but on a European level one Cup Winners Cup and a UEFA cup (which the fairs cup was) is a terrible record for such a huge club!
@@GreyStagesLiverpool, United, Chelsea and City have all lost UCL finals in-fact United and Liverpool lost multiple finals so drop the excuses
The fairs cup was never the uefa cup that’s a lie arsenal fans have made up to make themselves feel better. The uefa cup replaced the fairs cup it was never the same cup. It was NOT a name change like when the uefa cup changed to the Europa League or the European cup changed to the champions league. No it was a different cup altogether. The fairs cup started as friendlies between country’s that traded with each other, where you finished in the league didn’t matter, you were chosen to play in it if your city held trade fairs. The fairs cup was never organised by uefa so how could it of been the uefa cup? The confederation does not consider clubs' records in the Fairs Cup to be part of their European record. So please stop this nonsense.
@@GreyStagesnot sure how you come to that conclusion. It was a red card and Barca was on top for the rest of the game.
@@2talljoey They love acting like the fairs cup was the UEFA cup, gaslighting 101. Tinpot club with no European pedigree.
@@hassanjalloh6106They also won a lot. What's your point?
When Darren mentioned Aston Villa and Forest the pin kinda dropped 😂.
The chap says giant and big are two different things 😂😂
Andy doesn’t even know what he’s trying to say 🤣🤣 what a mug
Giant and big is different in this context, so yes, Goldstein is right. Are you just too obtuse like Darren to comprehend the context?
Hez deluded
@danwarb1 do yu love winning invisible epl or winning champions league
every club is a big club when the pundits talks about them
At the end, Benty mentions Utd and City but not Liverpool as European giants!?!? What the actual lmfao??
Utd have a poor European record. Just 3 Champs leagues & 1 Cup Winners Cup after winning 20 Premier League titles. Liverpool by far the biggest European superpower from England. Won lots CL, UEFA Cups. Super Cups. World Club Cup
Talking about European Giants, Liverpool sits on top level so I don’t wanna get link with Arsenal, Chelsea, City or United😂
Liverpool have been in 3 Champions League finals since 2018, 3 in 5 years.
Liverpool are legends 100%
united have won the europa league aswell@@ForzaMilan-di2zd
In my opinion to be considered a European giant you have to have won the Champion's League at least three times so that rules out EVERY team except Real Madrid, AC Milan, Liverpool, Bayern Munich, Barcelona, Ajax, Man United and Inter Milan. I wouldn't even put Arsenal on the secondary list since they've only won the Fair's Cup and Cup Winner's Cup. This isn't about fan support or club profile but success credibility. Even Man City haven't earned their place on that list yet, although that may change in time.
According to your logic Liverpool aren't a Premier League giant because they've only won it once. You ain't in the same category as Arsenal, Chelsea, United or City because they've all won it at least 3 times.
How many trebles have Liverpool won compared to City? All Liverpool fans bang on about is 6 European Cups. They're still miles behind Madrid.
Liverpool won 4x before UCL revamped their format in 1992 - which was a joke & I can go into great detail explaining why for young bucks.... but Liverpool have also won 2 CL's post 1992 - so they are absolutely a European Giant..... but this knob saying you can get lucky to win the UCL is laughable.... Wenger's Arsenal teams (97-06) were some of the Greatest squads I've Ever seen in 50 yrs & they couldn't do it..... It's Insanely hard to win a CL
I agree with you 💯
@@jackzeldon2883 The revamped format allowed Liverpool to be invited to the party. Under the older rules, only domestic Champions would qualify, which would wipe out 2005 and 2019 for Liverpool. The "Champions League" is a joke in itself! It would also wipe out both of YOUR spawny wins!
The Dutch haven’t won a World Cup yet they’re considered a big nation in international football.
By who?
but they’ve reached the final 3 times of biggest prize in World football the WC & won the 2nd biggest title at international level in 88!. Arsenal have reached one Champs League final. Pathetic. Rarely get past the Last 16 stage
Big nation yes......not a giant like a Brazil or France tho. U proved the point exactly with ur example. Arsenal are a Holland
They won the euros
This was quality viewing live! Love Andy and Benty!
Oh my God Darren Bent is SO EMBARASSING 😂😂😂😂😂😂
the concept of a european giant is different for them, one is thinking about history and competitive results in europe, the other is thinking about current squad strength and fanbase.
Ummmm No..... European Giant is defined by the # of European Trophies a club has won specifically Champions League Trophies..... City Supporters used to make this goofy Copium argument - don't hear that any more do you??? B/c there is absolutely Nothing that compares to winning CL Trophies emblazoning that Star on your Club Crest..... It's sad Wenger's great teams never won it b/c they had the Talent - current Arsenal are no where near that level
Gooners in the nutshell 😂
As a season ticket holder Havertz was ok last night.
By Darren bents logic Saudi clubs are as big as any other European clubs as they are attracting big players. There is something called money.
I was thinking the same.
My god Darren Bent is absolutely embarrassing.
Makes it even more embarrassing him being so defensive about Arsenal, seeing as he played for Tottenham, scored and celebrated against Arsenal
I cant stop laughing
Darren Bent said that he can easily see Arsenal beat Real Madrid? Real Madrid won all their games with Vinicius, Courtois, Militao & Arda.
Arsenal had a poorer start than RM.
Winning several FA cups doesn't mean you have a "history" of an average club.
Do you have Titan the robot?!?
I saw him in Orlando with my friends, and we’d love to see him again!
Ah good old rewriting history. When we won the cup winners cup it was almost as important as the European cup but now people want to play it down it’s actually pathetic.
to Andy's last question Darren should've said:
Arsenal,
PSG,
Athletico Madrid,
Manchester City (before last season)
Ajax and Inter Milan
Goontard Copium is the hardest drug on the streets & there's no curing that level of brain damage
I love how much Darren loves us.
How can Arsenal be classified as being European giants if they've never even won the competition once? Chelsea have played in 3 finals, & won it twice, which only a handful of clubs have managed!
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Did he just say "one little metric of winning the competition" ?? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Benty sounding a bit like Ty here 😂
Love the banter, but I think he got you on that one Bentey and I’m an Arsenal fan.
How does he always manage to deflect fron his team that is terrible on and off the field but he seems to make the main topic Arsenal🤔 how does benty live with him, so annoying
totally agree
Chelsea have been terrible domestically but they still are a European Giant. Even last season they made it the UCL Quarterfinals something that Arsenal hope to achieve this year
@@ebnest123 Chelsea aren't a European Giant. They have won the competition twice, just like Nottingham Forest. Even United aren't European Giants. Liverpool are the only English team that can be considered Giants because they have won it second only to Real Madrid. This is from a City fan by the way. Facts are facts.
@@RoomAtTheTopStudio liverpool tied for third amount with bayern, both behind milan and madrid
@@dBOTHERER Thank you for that. As we can see all these clubs are actual European Giants. When a club reaches five CL trophies then they are Giants. The rest are just winners, which is still a exclusive club. To qualify consistently for the competition makes a club a big club, as their club shirts will be in every airport around the world every time they qualify, but they are not in the same class as winners or Giants.
Stranger things have happened....
Greece winning the euros
Porto winning champions league
So Blackburn is a premier league giant??
Arsenal have actually won 2 European trophies; the second was the European Fairs Cup in 1970, which is better known now as the UEFA Europa League
Arsenal aren’t a huge club in Europe. You can’t be if you haven’t won a European cup. But they are one of the stronger sides in this years CL. Two different things
Also Bent getting worked up over this when he played for the other north London team is laughable. Tries so hard to fit in with the Arsenal fans
Best duo love these two make my day
Goldstein being a salty Man U fan. When Forrest spend over 100 mil on player, then they can sit at our table.
Honestly love these two guys, im an arsenal Fan and I love listening to Andy lol, he's funny
There was no history before Pep for City 😅
Last time I checked ‘Giant’ is another word that can be used to mean ‘Big’.
As a leeds fan i love andy's argument, we've been to the same amount of UCL finals as arsenal and we've won two European trophies in the 60s so we're of higher european pedigree than arsenal 😂😂
You can celebrate that in championship 😂
and West Ham. 🤣
Tbh when Forest, Villa and Sheffield won the old cup it was a different kettle of fish from the modern Champions League. You can’t really compare the standard. I get Arsenal haven’t won it but, there’s a different category of European glory from the modern teams of Liverpool, Chelsea, City, United and the old winners who are now a bit obsolete.
I was at that game the only thing was bad that it was the weather
With now away goal counting normal,is possible to win champion league
Andy the strangest thing IS getting a pen at old trafford
I'm an arsenal fan btw, we're a big club with European pedigree but not a European giant, we need to get to some quarterfinals and semifinals at least in the next few seasons to claim that
What European pedigree?? 😂😂
You've been to just one final 😂😂😂😂😂
@@eL--RaL The cup winners cup and the inter city fair cup, both more Mickey Mouse than the Europa League/UEFA Cup. 😂😂
19 successive seasons in the champions league, advancing to the knockout stages every time, decent record in europa league lately too, we're an established champions league side traditionally, that constitutes pedigree to me@@eL--RaL
Ipswich have a better European pedigree than Arsenal
U need to win it, froget about quarterfinals😂😂, otherwise Shakter Donestk are Giantd also like Arsenal😂
Andy's right ffs
We won the Fairs Cup as well
It’s a cup competition anybody can win it once you get through to the knockout round
If we're talking nightclub terms like AG is Forest / Villa / Porto are in the VIP lounge with Madrid / Liverpool / Bayern etc. Arsenal are down on the dance floor supping beers with PSG / Athletico / Napoli etc
The second hand embarassment I felt for Darren here was quite intense.
Agreed, Mr, Goldstein,
Arsenal are not.
U gotta look at history and now!!!
‘Enjoy that little nightclub ‘ 😅😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
The more important thing is the clubs current state, if I was an arsenal fan I’d have alot more optimism than if I was a United fan!
Tbh that's what the root of this video is, Andy is salty that United got beat and are looking awful while arsenal won and looked good. He's on copium and is providing a little bit for other United fans to distract themselves
Still doesn't change the fact, which is that Arsenal aren't European giants. United have UCL, UEL and Super Cup trophies. Arsenal have none of those.
@@benjaminngopwaamos6878 Question: Are Man United a English Giant?
That’s not question. R Arsenal a European Giant. Not even close mate
@@samueljohnston1043 That doesnt make AFC an european giant lol
7:22 this got me. So funny.
Andy is just pushing it.😂
It’s a dumb argument, basically Goldstein is using “European giant” as a synonym for having won the European cup. But it’s a meaningless phrase otherwise, the important thing going forward is being able to attract top players. Debating whether or not you can be described as a “giant” seems like a waste of time to me:
95% of Prem fans live outside the UK - so just to be a English Giant you need to win Prem's - which Arsenal have only 3 & all 3 were won before Social Media existed - we call that period the dark ages.... the Entire Footballing World focuses on the Champ League b/c since 1992 when the format was made Much more difficult the greatest team in Europe each yr is Crowned in that Tourney - Arsenal are Invisible in that comp.... Arsenal = Leicester City
@@jackzeldon2883Chelsea not gonna win any major big trophies again Under Boehly, sorry to say
@@jackzeldon2883So how come Arsenal got that many fans worldwide thou? I think people support giants or bigger clubs? 🤔
No history. One Cup winners cup for a size of Arsenal. No way near a European giant. A pathetic history
The fact bent didn’t mention liverpool shows exactly why he didn’t get the argument and I’m a fucking utd fan
Live abroad, as I do, no team is a top team until they've won the CL.
What Benty should have said is that we're a european giant because we've been in 5 European finals since 1994 and multiple semi-finals but have lost 4 and won 1
As long as we take points off man utd I'm happy😅
So Vardy and Origi are premier league giants while Kane isn't?
This is ridiculous, the term “European giant” has no definition so can be debated until the end of time with no result, end of the day Notts won the European Cup but that’s like saying Egypt is a world super power cause they were once the strongest
You have to have won it when champions only entered the comp. The comp is watered down now rendering it pointless in comparison
If Arsenal are European giants, then so are spurs.
A humbling fact for arsenal fans.
Except the arsenal have the record for all time most cl clean sheets. Spuds have wot 2 or 3 😅
@@rexrickard6333 Most clean sheets for a team that has never won the competition!
@@rexrickard6333 Still less european trophies than spurs and who cares if you keep a hundred clean sheets if you don't win the tournament? Spurs and arsenal have both made 1 CL final each. Plus, can hardly call yourselves european 'giants' when you've been absent in Europes top flight competition for the last 7 years.
I like that, name is not down son, not coming in
Soon everyone will see the beauty of Harvertz. It'll be one goal and then boom. We will all be wearing his shirt.
How can Goldstein say "giant" has nothing to do with "big club"? Lol giant implies size...big size. Forest have won the European cup, but they aren't a European giant right now. Bent makes more sense
Chelsea was much better when they had Kai and Timo running the attack. Yes, they would miss a lot of chances, but, boy, they created so many chances that they could afford the misses. It was a dumb move when they shopped werner off.
When andy said n’forest was a European giant this convo was over
We as a club have hugely underperformed in Europe. Mickey mouse clubs like Chelsea have won this competition which arguably makes them the No 1 London club. However victory in this competition would put as back in the top dags position.
Forget Real Madrid As a Chelsea fan I found this Crazy. how do put Arsenal among Milan, Liverpool, Barcelona and Bayer Munich. I know we won a lot European trophy, but I never consider Chelsea at the level of this clubs. At list we need 2 more champions league to be in that list.
I dont put much stock in CL before they revamped the competition in 1992 b/c only the Domestic Winner went & from yr to yr Domestic Winners around Europe fall off terribly..... they expanded the comp in 1992 & there is so much player movement now w/ all leagues accpeting lots of foreign players which was not the case pre-1992..... it's just an Insanely difficult Comp post 1992 - but I understand your larger point - Goontards are lost🤣🤣
Chelsea haven't won a lot of European trophies
@@Ajs_1988 Liverpool 13, Chelsea 8, Man United 6. If 8 is not a lot then you must be a supporter of Real Madrid. Chelsea is in second most European trophy won by English clubs. Surprised I hope you’re not Arsenal fan😂.
@dawitkbreab2924 They haven't won a lot though have they? Who mentioned just English clubs? Bayern have, Ac milan, Liverpool, Real and Barcelona. Utd haven't, Chelsea and City haven't. Dont take it personal it's just fact
@@Ajs_1988 are you talking about champions league or All European trophy you confused me. If you talking about champions league, yes we only won 2 trophy and that why I don’t put Chelsea same as Barcelona, Milan, Liverpool, and Bayer Munich. But if talk about all European competition 8 is not small number.
Idk why he's so set on NOT trying to understand the other point of view lol. Can't be a Giant in a competition you've never won. Even city aren't a European giant and they just got one. There's a difference between being a frequent competitor or qualifier for a competition and being a Giant/powerhouse in said competition.
The question is clearly not about giants in the UEFA Champions League but about European giants. Giant refers to big. Who are the big clubs in Europe currently, and is Arsenal one of them?
@@prospero3607 The question isn’t about who is “currently” a big club, it’s about European pedigree. In other words, clubs that have won European silverware and consistently challenged for European trophies. Arsenal is neither. Arsenal is a PL giant and the PL just happened to be in Europe. Like the guy in the video, you’re refusing to see that
@@platnumj The word "pedigree" wasn't mentioned once in this video. The discussion is about European giants.
@@prospero3607 The discussion is about Teams who have success in European competitions. You and the other guy keep trying to divert it to "big clubs". The word "pedigree" doesn't have to be explicitly mentioned. It's clearly implied but you'll dismiss it because it doesn't fit your narrative about Arsenal.I'm done with this pointless back and forth. Be blessed sir
@@platnumj Watch the video again. The argument is about "European club giants". What does it mean to be a giant?
Andy is the only manu fan I like on this channel
Think to be considered a massive club or a giant club you have to do something historic. Man U and Liverpool the amount the won the European cup, Forrest and villa breaking the mould and winning the European cup, Celtic being the first British club to win the European cup, Chelsea first London team to win the European cup Other teams get it from domestic Arsenal went undefeated in the league, city won the treble domestically then won a treble including the European cup
The original R9 already said Grabriel J is his natural successor
Forest are a massive massive club with a very rich history.
You can tell Bent didnt finish Primary school. Dude doesnt understand basic words 😂
Arsenal fan here. We are not EU Giants in terms of EU trophies but Giants in terms of the threat we present in the Champions League against other teams and domestic accomplishments all around. To be a EU giant you would have had to win the UFEA Champs league. We don't have that. Should have won it in 2006. However, I also know a bunch of small clubs that have won champs league. Champs of EU but a punch bag in the League.
So a club that represented England as one of the 4 staple teams in the competition for almost 20 years running has no history in the competition. You have no history in Champions League without winning it is a nonsense claim. Football is about moments, memories, wins and losses Arsenal have way more of those than the likes of Forest Villa Derby. The only thing missing is the winning of the competition which as a club we work continually to address. Football fans are so dense
Hate to be that guy but not saying Liverpool is a European giant is CRIMINAL BENTY
both of you are right..Arsenal is a giant in world football..you cant take Villa and Forest ahead of them thats ridiculous. But again, mentioning Arsenal in same category as Madrid, Utd, Barca is actually a crime.
Damn man, i'm a UTD fan but Arsenal really need to win UEFA..its tough imagining these sportwashing organization like Chelsea and City rising to this level as Arsenal just watch.
And where did united get all there money from? All clubs do it
@@cad6095Man utd, Arsenal, and Liverpool earned their money through revenues from sporting activities..it was football first then money came in...other clubs i'm talking about have bought their way up ..they were nothing before new owners pumped in money from non-football related activities..its money that came first, then football followed.
If Arsenal are a European Giant, Spurs are a Premier League Giant
Biggest critics of Havertz just hates him they’ll never see good in him! But he’s a talented footballer 🎉
No mention of Liverpool - embarrassing 😮
Good point about city before they won champions league they where still a giant and could attract the best players 😊
What lol it’s the money .
In the new Era after being absent for so long, NO. In the Wenger Era Arsenal were European giants but towards the end frequent early exits and getting hammered by Bayern to stop existing in the competition altogether can't be considered as a European Giant.
One final in how many years ? Spurs done as well as arsenal in the ucl
At no point were Arsenal a European heavyweight. The run to the final in 06 was a wonderful miracle. Anything before and after that was routine exit. Watching live since 1996.
Arsenal have played in ECL for 21 times in a row. Yes we never won it but we will because we are a big club.
Think there needed to be clarity of what was meant by a European giant
Interesting fact: Jesus has more CL goals than R9 so Goldstein even more dim than he looks.
Arsneal have NO european history. One champions league final is laughable
Goldstein absolutely burying Bent.
Benty Benty Benty…. Oh dear!
I wouldn't call Arsenal "a European giant". They are a huge club, no doubt, but at this point City are a bigger "European giant" than Arsenal because they've actually won the thing. Doesn't mean Arsenal aren't a bigger club than City, because they are, but not a European giant. Just like Atletico and PSG aren't European giants either.
I’m so sick and tired of the “no CL trophy, not a European Giant” mindset. Hell under that logic would that mean Steaua Bucharest is a European Giant?
Arsenal are irrelevant in Europe. They had one great era under Wenger and they failed to win it. Plus this is first season in the Champions League for eight years. European giants don’t go out of the Champions League for eight years!
Arsenal are the 3rd most successful club domestically (13 league titles, 14 FA Cups, 2 league cups) but in Europe we have work to do. Conference League (won in 1994, lost final in 1980 and 1995). Europa League (won in 1970, lost final in 2000). Champions League (lost the final in 2006).
4th behind chelsea united and liverpool.
Arsenal are a more decorated club than Chelsea. Arsenal have more league titles (13-6) and FA Cups (14-8). Chelsea have also been relegated 6 times (1910, 1924, 1962, 1975, 1979 and 1988), and had a "save the bridge" campaign in the 90s to stop Stamford Bridge becoming a supermarket / block of flats in West London.
@HLDN1989 4th behind chelsea. Whatever you type, it will not change the reality.
I think Man City now have more European trophies .
There’s exceptions to every rule
By this logic Tottenham is a really small Premier League club and Leicester are Premier league giants 😳
On a serious note, Goldstein don’t half talk crap does he
Hes got Darren here 😂
Lol if you can be a European giant without winning the comp and being honest rarely even qualifying for it then every club involved can claim that. Arguemtnis either you have won it or in order to make that club truly exclusive then set the bar to 3 or 5 wins to be a European giant
betty lost this one..lol