"1 FA CUP IN 4 YEARS!"😬 - Andy Goldstein CLASHES With Darren Bent Over Arteta Being A Success! 😤
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- Andy Goldstein & Darren Bent discuss Mikel Arteta's managerial spell at Arsenal and if it has been a success or not
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Goldstein saying Arteta is not a success, but that Antony will come good is comedy gold.
United have won MORE than Arsenal in the past 10yrs than Arsenal, and you think you are progressing? You think Bent has a leg to stand on ripping Goldstein?
You're all deluded.
Well let's be clear then: Arteta has not been a success, and Antony will not come good.
@@gutika113 Lets giveTen Hag 5 years, and compare what "success" is. But instead people call for his head so quick because he's had a mixed year.
Did you call for Artetas head when you finished 8th...Then 8th again? Then 5th and missed out on CL football?
Did you give him time...???
@@gutika113you are clearly a casual fan, Arteta has been a huge success and only salty rival fans think otherwise
@@gutika113Maybe. At least you are objective. That’s the point. Liverpool smash West Ham 5-1 and United are still basking in the glory of their 0-0 draw at Anfield. Perspective is everything.
So he won the FA cup with emerys team but the team finishing 8th is his fault? Why doesn’t anyone mention the double standard?
What about arteta finishing 8th then 8th again then 5th then 2nd …. So even without emery team he still finished 8th 😂😂
He finished 8th twice
can you read?@@Llo834
Because Goldstein is a tosspot who can only generate content by feigning a hatred of arsenal?
double standard? lol Talksport double standards NEVER, I mean its not like they try on a daily basis to get rid of Man utd manager even though hes the best win game ratio than previous managers and better then pep and kloop. Nah they never do that . 😂😂😂😂
Won a FA cup , went on a title run for Arsenal last season, currently 1st in the league and probably 2nd favorite to win it , brought arsenal back to the champions league and they were one of the most dominant teams in the competition so far ,has restored a positive culture amongst arsenal fans .that's pretty good for a manager that came in with no experience.. better than they've ever been in the last 20 yrs
So an FA Cup and nothing else? 😂
How much fluff do you wanna put there hahahahahah
They haven't won anything yet but they are now competing for titles, where as b4 Arsenal had a near decade of not even being close to competing and were slipping into mid table mediocrity.
Wigan won an FA cup 😂 with A LOT less money. Arteta a poor mans Martinez
👆🏽 This! 💯
@@gladiatorscoops4907 Arsenal have always been there or there abouts though, so there’s been improvement after hundreds and hundreds of millions spent? As if…….😫🤣
I'm a Liverpool fan and people was saying this after we finished 2nd and hadn't won anything, but we was on the right path I could see it, Arteta and Arsenal are on a similar path as much as it pains me I can see where Arsenal are going
Won the champions league that season. Not sure who was saying that to you. Especially when the prem win the season after was basically tied up by Christmas. This Arsenal team are no where near the level of Liverpool/City a few years ago and unless they make some world class signings they ain't on the same path.
Exactly, similarities are near endless: both ce in December taking over big clubs that were floundering, slowly built the football back that the fans enjoyed, & hit them challenging for the title. If mikel wins the pl this year/next, he would've done the exact same as Jurgen.
Why does it pain you?
We aren't ManU
Arsenal Fan
I love your comment
@@wifterofabifter Liverpool went kaput and City got better from a few years ago. Liverpool won one PL in 30+ years and they act like it was a dynasty.
You know Andy is grasping at straws when all he can do is constantly interrupt
He's 100% spot on mate and I'm an arsenal fan
@@davidboyle1193I agree. He hasn’t been a success.
@@TJTOPBOY he has to most arsenal fans and to any football fan with some actual sense about him
@@davidboyle1193He has taken a big club from being a laughing stock and toxic environment to a team back where they should be and challenging for top honours in his first managerial job. That is a success in its own right and both you and Goldstein are complete tools if you think otherwise
@@chriskinge9917I’m sorry no other manager would have bottled it like they did last season even Leicester won the league come on get a grip
One thing certain, no one is calling Arsenal "boys or underdogs" like Evra and Co. used to say during the latter years of Wenger. The problem in modern football is as a coach you are expected to win trophy in less than two years when employed. This is Arteta's first managerial experience - not a fan of him when he was announced as our new coach but he has turned the club around to something positive.
Depends on what job you have, mikel, like Jurgen, ton I've a big club boy doing so well, so no they weren't expecting to win straight away. But he is now, they've spent money & have a decent team
Andy can diss all he wants, this past 3 years as an Arsenal fan has been great. I've looked forward to watching their games again. We are contending again.
Andy is a knob.
Actually not the right time to have this conversation. Trying to insinuate Arteta is a failure when be is currently at the top of the league and topped his champions league group with a game in hand is just poor. The hatred for Arsenal by the media runs so deep that they want to destroy our manager even when he is literally doing better than ALL OTHER PREMIRE LEAGUE MANAGERS SO FAR THIS SEASON!!! At least wait to see if he fails to win again.... clowns
Agree with everything you said. Unlike Chelsea, Arsenal are building and look like a team and have been prudent in the transfer market in recent windows. The owners are giving Arteta time to build something there. Fair to say they had a decent lead in January before being overhauled by City. As you say, let’s see where they are in May and then he can be judged.
No other manager would have let that league go last year it was handed to you on a plate and still couldn’t win it personally think they should have got rid then ole kept bottling finals and it sticks with the team u just gotta hope they don’t do it again
terrible take its cause of artetas good work they were in first position the first place. it didn't get handed to them on a plate, they overachived in first half of season but couldn't keep it up and were up against a treble winning city team @@willtallis5275
Professional Arsenal hater and frustrated united fan Goldstein in action
Think he may regret this in a few years i don't see Man U winning a major trophy for a while.
Arteta isnt even the best Arsenal manager of all time, even if he wins one prem LOL
@@gutika113That is actually the most pointless comment I have ever read, what point are you even trying to make? After 3 years you want him to be a bigger success then arsene wenger? Please grow up, even just a little bit
what do you mean lol? no manager would be the best if they won the prem title cos Wenger won 3 u plum@@gutika113
Yeah. Mark my words. United will NOT win the league in this decade @@hustler666100
Goldstein said Klopp has won the Premier League and Champions League since Arteta's been at Arsenal, yet forgot to mention the FA Cup and Carabao Cup he also won (and the club world cup, for what its worth)
And the super cup as well when we beat chelsea
Klopp won the Champions League before Arteta was appointed coach of Arsenal.
Talksport really do love the word 'Clashes' dont they 😂
It's like BBC with 'enclave' instead of city
And "disgrace". Especially Jamie O'Hara 😂
Not bad for your first job ever! Goldstein is a frustrated plank.
Mikel Arteta is the perfect example of giving a manager time
Yes especially when there was pressure from 50% of the fan base wanted him out. Two faced fans
Well yes but he still needs to actually win the league and/or champions league in the next couple of years, especially when Arsenal I think now have the third biggest net spend since he arrived
This is why they Hate... 😏
No it isn't, he wasn't given time, he was on probation from the start sure they gave him a 3year contract it something, but he had a year to shoe something, he had to prove himself every step: he won the cup, then got to sign party, but even anyone else in the summer when they wanted a cam
@@RedDevil_Joeyes they have a high spend, but look at how & why: ending contracts of players like pea getting no money back, giving young talent l, & just general issue if having to rotate an entire squad is not like he took over a great team
Yet Goldstein said Ten Hag winning the league Cup, losing in the final of another and finishing 3rd was "an unbelievable season". Really, for Man Utd?
Bents right. I think people forget that this is his first job. He is not like Ten Hag where he has been managing for years. No one had Arteta even coming close to winning the prem.
Yes he's won an FA Cup, but his most impressive achievement for me is his style of football, exciting to watch and gets results. People forget how young his team was last year
When he took over, everyone said it would take 4 to 5 years to make them half decent.. now everyone wanna say he should have 10 leagues and 40 champions league already😂
Scared of him
This is a comedy platform. There is no way you listen to talksport for any other reason but to laugh…
Two Ronnies!
How about Fergies first 4 years?
Almost gave up
@@Mezzala9not. As good as Old red nose but better .
First for years based on things won Stroller and Wenger AND Arteta proved to be better
Can we compare Andy Goldteins first 4 years in radio vs anybody else successful in radio at the 4 year peak of their career?😂
Jesus Goldstein is a berk. If it was banter all good but he believes it. No context just waffle.
From players such as sokratis kolasinac injured bellerin Leno guendouzi torriera
Not to mention a culture of players being lazy coming late to training and absolute disaster of a culture. He has revived the club and is competing alongside pep who will end up as the greatest manager of all time.
Arteta has been beyond a success and his league positions were a reflection of his team rather than his ability.
Perfect analysis
These other managers were already world-class managers and to add to that they all basically had unlimited transfer funds 😂 totally different
@@rhys2091in how many seasons!
@@rhys2091nowhere near comparable to what City, Chelsea or United spent. Only Klopp did it on a small budget.
Alot of Salty rival fans can’t imagine how a rookie manager has transformed Arsenal from a banter team to proper league rival for Man City, the best team in the world.
I think they can “imagine”. Probably by spending hundreds of millions and the most in the league 😂 yet still winning same amount as Wigan … lol
@@cozzy9208Chelsea has spent the most, by far.
@@cozzy9208Think mate, not everything is banter...Arteta in 4years haven't spent what Chelsea spent in a year infact in Arteta's 4years, he hasn't spent up to what Mancity, Chelsea,Liverpool and Manutd have spent in 4years
@@deejaylerinsolaja6482 that’s false facts… 😂 since Arteta joined Chelsea have spent the most but then it is city and then arsenal, with arsenal only just being off city by 10-20m. Bearing in mind city have earned tens of millions more than arsenal in that period too as they are a successful club
To see how stupid Goldstein's argument is, let us not just cherry pick managers. Lets go with what Ferguson won in his first 4 years. What did Klopp win on his first 4 years as a manager.? Not when he came to liverpool only.
He has single handed change the culture of the club. We were rotten to the core before he took over. Young hungry side, back in the champions league. Would Pep be so good without the great sqauds and investment?
To be fair. Arsenal were pretty terrible when Arteta took over...... It used to be a goal fest when they came to Anfield. Fair play to Arteta; they're one of the best teams in the league now.
U know football brother unlike these pundits who are good at criticizing
Andy is obsessed with Arteta lol
My manager is causing so many sleepless nights for so many haters
Give him another 10 years I love the ride we on watching arsenal and seeing us fight for titles makes me happy all we can ask for but city are the team to beat
Look how quickly he batted off the Fergie comparison 😂😂😂
Yeah he was hiding never even wanted that conversation to continue
Best I've seen Benty defend Arsenal
Definite progress under Arteta. We went from two 8th place finishes to competing for the PL two seasons in a row, back into the UCL after 6 years and we're into the Round of 16 of that comp.
Obviously would be great to win some silverware but anyone that doesnt think Arsenal has progressed under Arteta is blind or worse.
His first stint and u lot expect him to win league titles and multiple major trophies already, in the hardest league itw, vs the unstoppable City. He’s only been a manager for 4 years, not 20!! He’s had a massive job to do. It’s not easy.
Yes, one FA cup in 4 years for someone with his first ever managerial job in a huge club like Arsenal that had spent damn near a decade being a banter club. He had to rebuild the team from scratch, get his new players to gel and play his style of football and now has them challenging for the title in his 3rd and 4th seasons. What is so difficult to understand about this????
The argument doesn't need to be a comparison to other managers... But what do we consider to be success.
Listen we haven't won nothing major yet we all know it but we are defo going in the right direction I love Arteta I love the squad of players he has bought in and the last big thing is he has got most fans back on side and singing from the same page.
He's a newish manager but we're definitely doing better than I expected. I'm glad we have him.
Whatever u say @Andy, u are right buh how long did it take klop to win his first trophy with Liverpool ??
Klopp appointed halfway in 15/16 and won the cl 18/19. He then went on to win all domestic trophies quicker than fergie and all on a less budget than Arteta.
BUT how long had he managed before his 1st success?
@@timothyinduli968 is that important given all the different variables.... expectations, funds, inherited squad etc
Ten hag and Arteta both won cups in first seasons. Arteta team is very different now from fa cup 5years ago.
I would hate to have a conversation with a guy like Goldstein my goodness
The editing is elite!
Ah yes, lets compare mikel taking over arsenal at their worst time in modern history, to jospeh taking over man city, totally comparable that, great logic
This is his first job bro. Arsenal fans pls dont let fans of failing teams determine what success is for our team please. The man has us in a title race and we're back in the champions league finishing top of our group Andy should mind his business.
Comparing established managers against a manager who is rebuilding a club is comparing apples and oranges, and Goldstien knows that. He's such a troll it's impossible to take anything he says seriously
This is where Man U fans are at. Would Andy switch the state of AFC with the situation at Man U? Of course he would. Arteta walked into a disaster of a club and now we are genuine challengers. Arteta has created stability, positive culture, team spirit and the best connection with the fans we have seen in years.
🤔 Current Champions League position not withstanding nah? Considering it's his first time as manager 🤔🤨 The lack of respect is a madness... 🙄
Doesn't matter if other people don't like him arsenal we love Arteta
I don't
Arteta also won 2 community shields. How can he include them for wenger, and a club world cup for tuchel but not attach the 2 communtiy shields to arteta. He also got control of the dressing room and halved the player wage bill whilst improving performance. Hes also comparing him to mourinho and pep who had multi billion pound squads in todays money.
Meanwhile man u have the highest wage bill, have been spanked by their most fierce rivals 7-0 and rather than get hold of the dressing room players are faking injuries to get out of playing for ten hag
A top manager wouldn't take 3 seasons to start noticing a change though. A lot of investment and a strong academy has done more for Arsenals recent success than Arteta has
@@Ben-gd4db i see where you’re coming from but arsenal were left to rot in terms of club spending for over a decade compared to other top 6 teams in the premier league before the reigns of emery and arteta. It takes a lot of time money and effort to pick back up after that. You look at the spending in that time period by city, utd and chelsea the gap is huge.
nothing to do w manutd bud. 2nd place fc piping up about beating rc lens and getting havertz to twerk...
@@batmancr007what on earth are you gibbering on about kid ?
COMMUNITY SHIELDS 🤣🤣🤣 wow. That is desperate
Strange he says only 1 FA cup but the says man City won 2 community shield... don't mention arsenals wins
Arteta spent 2 and half years cleaning up the mess
Arteta is as successful as Sir Alex was in his first 5 years at United.
I’m a massive arsenal fan I attend most home games, the team has improved and moving forward but we do need to start winning major honours we can’t be the nearly men
Im sorry but what did Fergie win in his first 4 years at United? Oh thats right, just an FA Cup
Can someone remind me what Klopp did in his first 3/4 years? Took them that long to finally win something🤣
so klopp coming second in the ucl as a heavily experienced manager is a measure of his success, but arteta coming second in the prem in his first ever managerial job is a sign of him bottling. and they say there isn't an agenda 😂
Darren telling Andy that Ferguson only won an FA cup in his first four years "would you sack him?" was a classic. GG's Darren!
"If Arteta wins a Premier League, he's one of the best in the world" - bro, if Arteta won a League title, he wouldnt even be Arsenals best ever manager LOL
I think now arteta has to start winning trophies personally but last 4 years has been building years
Goldstein is out of his mind, arteta came from being an assistant manager straight into being first team manager at arsenal, pep, klopp, Jose all had lots of experience of managing, even tho bents an ex Tottenham player hes probably the most unbiased critique, 5o come from 8th to top 2 last season come on lad hes been a success
What has Klopp win in 4 years??? I’m sure it was nothing. He won the CL in 5th year and PL in the 6th year
Not bad
No Klopp won the CL in his 4th season. 3rd if you want to count full seasons only.
He inherited a bloated squad full of players coasting on generous contracts given to them by the previous regime who had tried to shortcut our way back to the CL and failed miserably. The first 18 months were about making do under the backdrop of lockdown and the financial hit all clubs took but once he was fully backed on the summer of 21 the progress has been clear to see. The club is unrecognisable now to the mess he inherited, yes we all know it’s now reached the stage where he needs to deliver something big but the fact Arsenal are even in this conversation again shows his work has been meaningful.
These two be having me dying 😂😂😂 leave my gunners alone lol
Did you know that one of the greatest managers sir alex ferguson stayed 4 years after being appointed in 1986 without winning any trophy at manchester united!!!! He ended up being the greatest because someone saw potential where no one did. So if the arsenal ownwers are backing arteta we should too.
All done it with ready made teams and he has made us 60% better plus the competition is so much higher especially in league now than was. Would not swap Arteta for anyone even Pep because Arteta is one of us.
He has transformed the football club, fan base and created a new culture at Arsenal. All in his first job!!!!
8th, 8th, 5th and bottled it.
Genius mate
@user-im3ud6mv6w truth is Klopp bottled it last season too, not to mention Ten Hag n them rest. Fact is from 5th he got us to a strong 2nd in the process(with them rest managers in attendance). Likewise, the story is "he'll bottle it", meaning that we smack in the middle of the converse. IF NOT the converse itself.
Arteta's won one FA cup and two Community Shields... In his first managerial job, put some respect on Mikel's name .
Community shield does not work
"two Community Shields"...looooooooooool....Banter FC
I think "Success" is too strong a word but he has done well and can achieve success if Arsenal stick with him
it must be annoying dealing with clubs like arsenal and Liverpool that have the patience to commit to long term projects, fixes and solutions.
some clubs realise that they are slow turning battleships, other clubs pretend that they are fast and agile sonic jets.
don't get stuck pretending you can move like the new money.
2 decades without a title and 3 without a European trophy and Arsenal are "commiting to long term projects, fixes and solutions"???
Answer me this chump, when's Arteta's 'process' due to be completed because even after spending 700m and winning fcuk all for the last 3 seasons, i don't see it ending anytime soon....
@@user-im3ud6mv6w ferguson fc is over. back to being a regular club.
“Community shield doesn’t count” proceeds to include the super cup for other managers…
How’s that forward? Exactly
''United??'' 🤣🤣🤣 my exact reaction
Andy likes hearing his voice more than making a sane argument the way he had started he knew United haven`t won squat in 4 years...
Arteta won the FA cup with Emery’s team. He bottled top 4 in 2022, and then bottled the league in 2023 in spectacular fashion! These are facts
With Emery's team? The same team Emery had and was still sacked...That means Di matteo won Chelsea the UCL with Villa Boas team and Tuchel won the Champions league with Lampard's team
Emery's team, the team that started the fa Cup final, only 3 were signed by Emery, the rest were Wenger signings, so technically, he won it with Wenger's team 😉
Teams got better every year, it’s what you want, pressure is now on him to win a big one.
This ANDY guy Mentions Pep's Community shields but refuses to Mention Arteta won 2 of those
Mikel was brought in to bring arsenal back to challenging for the title, in that sense he’s been a success
Success is relative. Relative to the shape of the club when taking over. Relative to the established competition. Relative to the financial and infrastructure support of the board.
Arteta is doing an amazing job and kudos to the owners for giving him time to imprint his identity on the team. They play brilliantly, attractive and relentless
Arteta in 4 years has taken 2 years to clear out and bring in players implementing his style of play returning the Arsenal ethos to where it should be. Last season and this season is starting to bare the fruits of his tenure.
They are the team that are once again looking good to watch.
uno a best two on talksports! I swear!
Arteta should be compared to the results of other Premier League managers in the past 4 years, not to the results of managers in the past 10 to 20 years. In the past 4 years, Arteta probably only comes behind Pep and Klopp.. Arteta wasnt even a manager 10, 20 years ago..
Goldstein is hard to watch, his way of arguing is just like being back in school
Klopp's first ever job was Mainz. That would be a fairer comparison if Bent is using the experience argument
Count the first 4 years of those coaches careers
All Arsenal fan are the same Darren Bent is the prime example of this. 4 seasons 1 Fa cup 😂 it’s a success forgetting the da cup was won in his first 18 Months. You can’t expect an unsuccessful player to know what success means.
Goldstein reaching as per usual 😂
Goldstein was trying to argue that Ten Hag was manager of the season last year.
People forget just how awful Arsenal were in the end of Wenger/Emery years.
1 trophy not good enough
I would have Arteta’s journey of 1 cup and a successful rebuild and title challenge than ETH United CV
Man city under the past 7 years has basically held a monopoly on pl titles under pep guardiola
So by that standard even klopp ( who is considerably more experienced than Arteta as a football manager) for all the praise he's gotten doring his time in England based in how much he has won in England he also been aBit of a failure, but sure everything is Mikel Artetas fault!?...
Shhhhh Jaffa
You're clueless
Goldstein is counting Community Shields for Guardiola and Wenger, while conveniently ignoring that Arteta has won 2 Community Shields alongside the FA Cup.
Need to remember, rhis is Artetas FIRST managerial job. Klopp had experience before and took him 4 years to win the premier league.
The Arsenal hate on Talksport is simply incredible? I mean it's so relentless and seemingly so petty but I suppose to each there own 😂
Could Arsenal have performed better during the last 4 years of course. But I think the first two were very much clearing out wonder buys like Nicholas Pepe & Co 😢
If I owned Arsenal I would be very happy we missed out last year but we are on top of the league again, now thats genuine progress!
You see if winning the league is your only barometer for success then be ready for a lot of disappointment. All Arsenal fans want is a competitive side who shows club spirit and real determination and this Arsenal side deliver that in spades ❤😂
You him with the ferguson question there dazza
Let's now talk about ETH's success so far!
Everyone could see the way our tattoo wanted to play and the style from the beginning that's why I have one had patients with it
Thats just starting out in the era of Guardiola. Klopps only got 1 in 8 because of it. And hes ran Pep close already. So from here can project better than 1 in 8 years. So the clear obvious plan is Arteta will be manager of Arsenal for another 10 years.
Goldstein not knowing about Klopp's sucsessss at Dortmund is insane.
EVERYONE was talking about Klopp during his time at Dortmund and where he'd go next. That is in no way comparable to Arteta. A fairer comparison would be a Lampard or Gerrard. But even those two had more experience than Arteta.
It's clear to see that he has massively improved the team on so many levels. Yes he hasn't won the prem or the cl but the style of play is an absolute joy to watch. One of the most exciting teams to watch. Arsenal now are the second most valuable team in the world under Arteta. It is absolutely foolish to say that Arteta has not been a sucees at arsenal so far. Trust the process and take into account the context of where the club was before he took charge.
Andy G. And Darren B. You guys keep me laughing all the 😂😅the time just cus of how Andy never sees any positive in Arsenal but will always play down the downfall of United and act like ManU doesn't exist. I wish Darren B. Will also question Him immensely as Andy G. does about Arsenal. Love❤❤❤ you both and the show.
Soh, Dallas - Texas.
I would like to see another manager do better than Mikel Arteta is currently doing now, Knowlege is power....COYG.
Check out a fella called 'Unai Emery'
He's the manager of a club called 'Aston Villa' who's won more European trophies than Arsenal have and who together with his world cup winning GK Emi Martinez (Google him) will be sat top of the league tomorrow night.
Not bad for a fella who's never laid a single training cone in his life eh?
Like you said it’s his first job how many years were the other managers managing football team before they come good after one year like Arteta so let’s ask are Liverpool success and falling backwards so truth is at this moment who would not want to be Arsenal there’s the Answer to success