Are mullets better? (mixed wheel sizes)
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yup mullets are better! there was a podcast on vital MTB where john hall (aaron gwin's mechanic) explains this very good and that in 2023 season 98% of the racers will be on a mullet bec its faster on everything except for the rock section but the high pivot suspension got that covered.
Dang gwins mechanic! See I knew I'm onto something, now I just need Gwin to train me
for dh it might be true but not xc or enduro racing
@@jamble7k enduro i can see not switching bec of pedaling after a stage. XC ehh i dont care about much on that kinda stuff.
@@jamble7k i think youll find it was super common in enduro racing before DH...
lots of riders ran mullets with offset bushings etc.
XC is about all out speed and wheel rotation(roll over) - many also think the pros run high psi for less rolling resistance,,, thats a huuuuge myth.
Haha now you have miss matching wheels :)
I converted my XC bike to Mullet setup. You can immediately feel the difference the agility for quick left and right turn. You can still roll over bigger bumps and turns easily as well and hell yeah it can still climb good
Oh wow! I didn't know XC bikes could benefit from a mullet conversion. That's rad to hear
Did the same thing bud, slackened it, and then added an extra 20mm on the fork up front. Way funner on the downhill sections.
@@EvansMTBSagarad 🤙🏼
Wow, didn't realize he could shed park laps like this. Well done man!
Great video. One thing as you pointed, with a mullet the seat angle becomes slacker and slightly affects climbing ability. Exception being bikes with adjustable dropouts to compensate for that.
Hi! I am a foreigner and I like to watch your content! All these experiments with bicycles expand the horizons of thought. After viewing, you look at all the components, assemblies in a different way. You create unique content! Unique and informative, I learned a lot after six months of subscribing to you. To hell with the marketers who sell us their "incredible" ideas, here it is Evan - all people's content.
И какой вывод сделал из всех видео?)
На что стоит тратиться?
I've converted both my Focus Jam2 EMTB and my Devinci Troy Carbon to Mullet. Both bikes were 27.5 frames to start with. The Focus came with Plus tyres so the fork was already 29". 27.5 / 2.8 on the rear and 29/ 2.5 up front. The geo came out almost identical to the Focus Jam2 Drifter (Mullet specific bike) 😀. The Troy has adjustable geo, so I set it in the 'Low' position and put a 29" fork and wheel on there. Both bikes ride fantastic ,and I can't imagine I would ever go back to 27.5 at both ends - Love the video, it's adds a bit of science to the subject😀
I’ve been waiting for this video for a while, it was so worth the wait. Good job.👏👏
I am thinking of getting a status 140 and wasn’t sure about the mullet setup, now I know it’s really good and faster than normal setup. Thank you Evan!
Mullets have many benefits
1.When u have smaller wheels on back
U wont get the feeling of going over the bars or steep decents
2 smaller wheel on the back makes climbing so much more easier
3 it is much easier to manual
Is it on average easier to manual than a full 27.5? The manual ease and overall agility is main main hesitation with converting to 29
climbing is better on a 29er
Why is mullet easier for climbing? I'm a shorter rider and thinking of converting to mullet but I live around a lot mountains so I was concerned it's going to make climbing harder. Can you elaborate?
My Canyon CF-8 is like a 911 on tight downhill switchbacks while the full 29's are like a Semi with a Trailer🤣
Great video. I didn’t think you would be that much faster with the mullet. I guess it does pay to experiment. I have bought a fork and wheelset from Speedvision bikes and would recommend them to anyone. Thanks for the video Saga. 👍
Please keep up with this type of editing, I love it!
Dude great edit and video! Those chrome rims are super sick 😎 I need to try out a mullet setup and see if I’m faster on it.
I run a 29 27.5 inch mullet and I love it you get so much control but also the monster truck feel of the 29 in the front
This week, i watched all of your videos again from the very first to the perfect wheels one. You said in the high low series overview: “thank you all for watching my first season of high low.”
Are you planning to do another season of high low? (after your channel grows a little and the budget of this channel is big enough for your family and the “Chad upgrades”) I think you should cuz those are the most popular videos on your channel.
Sorry for the bad English again, i’m trying my best😂
Yeah I'd like to! I was hoping to find another person so I don't have to act out two characters again but no luck yet
@@EvansMTBSaga amazing!!, another person would be cool. Funny story, the first videos i watched from your channel were the high low videos (that was when they came out) and, at first, i was unsure whether “Chad” was your role character or your twin😂
@@NeuronMTB same
@@EvansMTBSaga the two characters by 1 person is what made it good, It also ment it was the same person riding the bikes....
Something to consider is: you play the two characters but have 1 "mystery" person ride both bikes and maybe build a channel character from it(using THE STIG as example)
Wow that’s a sick improvement on that laptime!!! Like no doubt that it’s faster, crazy!
I'm in the process of making my Walgoose Ledge X1 a mullet. 29 up front and a better 27.5 in back. Still trying to get the $$ together.
With your BMX background mullets (or maybe even 27.5s) would be great for you and your riding style. It looks like your wheel builder is gonna need to make you another rear!
Love it! I may need to covert my Arktos 150 to a mullet 😎
Love the video, but where did the outro go with the flames and explosion? I waited for it, but it never came. Great video though.
Specialized Status is the bike for Spring 2023 - and rumor has it, you can convert to 29er
I've been curious about this for the MTB capital of the world; loved this test 🙌🏼
Thanks Luke! I just checked out your channel. Great editing!
@@EvansMTBSaga Thanks man! NGL i'm a little envious of your thumbnail skills 🙌🏼
I've been back an forth with rear wheel size recently(have both the spectral mullet and the 29er, both cf8 models) - I think the trade offs between either leans to more Riding pro's towards the smaller rear wheel IMO.
Other than XC bikes and maybe some short short travel Trail bikes i dont see the overal need for a 29er rear, maybe on certain DH race tracks where its wide open all the time.
Mullet bikes have been a great addition to the MTB world, more brands are opting for it just purely based on performance benefits which is great for consumers
I think the adjustability on frames is a nice added touch! Super fun to kind of stumble onto something that makes bikes better
@@EvansMTBSaga as much as im anti-giant... their new reign looks excellent as has alot of options.
New subscriber here! I went mullet on my Rocky Mountain Instinct, and I'll probably never go back. Luckily it has lots of geo adjustments, plus I installed an angled headset and shorter cranks for the lower BB. 🤘🏻
That's rad! Isn't it rad how the modern bikes have so many adjustments! In a way the industry is shooting themselves in the foot because there's less of a reason to buy a new bike now. Do you happen to be a former pro motocrosser by any chance?
@@EvansMTBSaga different JG, but my dirt bike also happens to have mixed wheel sizes 😂
I remember back in the late 80's there were several trial bikes that came stock as 'mullets'. 😉 I believe Ibis had a 24/20 combo
Wow, I am trial rider since the millenium, but never seen those. Nice. I would try those just for fun. Would probably hate cantis tough.
@Márton K To my recollection trials bikes ran 999 u-brakes ( at least in the rear). Back in those days trials bicycles were still considered to be a BMX bikes...😁
I feel like it is personal preference and riding style. My style is more of monster truck and just straight line speed so 29er is a bit better, with your background in BMX you would definitely enjoy the the snappier feel. Also try it again with more consistent watts, that is a big difference in power.
Oh yeah the overall time kinda went out the window with me blowing it on the climbs so I just looked at the downhill segment and overall feel
Yea I totally agree I am also a full 29 rider cuz it suits my style and how I ride. I think the mullet is perfect for flow trails and trails that don’t involve rough stuff
Yeww, great again mate. Getting better every vid keep it up!
what is the geometry with the mullet setup?
Your’s mullet compatible frame. What is difference between compatible one and normal one?
Hey Evan, awesome video as always!
Quick question, what computer do you use on your bike?
Check the description. Hammerhead Karoo 2
@@EvansMTBSaga I was looking into the Karoo 2. I don’t know much about bike computers but it does look solid! Thank you!
Well done on the time!
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@@EvansMTBSaga meant well done
Alright, you got me when you started explaining bikes mixed with cars😏🤙 good explanation btw🙌 new subscriber 🥳🥳
Haha glad you liked it! Have you driven an s2000 before? It's a perfect comparison hahahah
Shout out to speed vision, theyre legit. Cool to see them on the channel.
Mullet is amazing an a hardtail (e-) bike. I am still experimenting with it on a downhill bike. I am not sure yet if it is better on a long travel bike. The bike feels like a chopper.:D
What happened if 26er rear rims and 27er front rims and while 29er fork?
Awesome video!
Just bought the yt Capra mx, haven’t got to ride it yet (comes on Monday). I’ve never rode a mullet before but I decided to send it since everyone seems to love them and I’m excited to ride one for the first time
Dude I think you're going to love it! Glad you went mullet
Try running a 27.5" frame and 29front? Maybe compare. I run 29 on the front of a 27.5 frame. You said that it lowered your bottom bracket. It actually picked mine up.
This would be an interesting comparison…. If you’re going mullet from which direction is best????
All I know is I hate the butt buzz I get from those 29 inch rear wheels when things get rowdy. Mullets are now my favourite for rooty, twisty trails with sudden little drops. Great video.
Dude the butt buzz with nobby tires is like touching a table saw blade
Heck yeah. Mullets do feel pretty sweet!
But isn't nearly all the time gained in the mullet run from the increased climb wattage?
Did you change any part of the suspension linkage? super low BB, and reach is shorter, my bike lets me change this without changing the geometry. But not tried it yet.
But chain stay length will also change how the rear end resistants skids, and flicks, short is easier to flick, and will grip better as there is more wight on it.
There is a flip chip, but it was already in the high setting before putting on the smaller rear (they say mixed wheels needs high setting)
@@EvansMTBSaga That sounds great. But if you want the same position, and if it was perfect, andwant to keep the effective reach the same or similar, I recommend slamming the ste, and to fix the too low bar, get a taller bar. So I guess geometry would not change much then. I've not tried mullet setup on any bike. But no clearance issues for me. and I am fine with how the bike handles. But have the option, but not ordered Mutators for my G1 to try that.
@@EvansMTBSaga Have you thought about shorter cranks? I run 165mm, but even shorter exist.
@@mtbboy1993 Oh yeah I'd like to! Just haven't pulled the trigger because of cost
@@EvansMTBSaga I got mine offered second hand, from the guy servicing my suspension.The price was great. But you sohuld check the second hand market. Put up an ad maybe someone wants to sell you a set.
Is a Mullet configuration good for daily commuting? I have a 24x1.95 tyre and wheel and I want to install it on my 26T mtb
I'm not sure, it doesn't hurt to try it though!
@@EvansMTBSaga Thanks for the reply, I am gonna try it tommorow. My main worry is that the pedals will touch the ground while leaning which can cause a fall.
Oh yeah when leaning just have your outside foot in the low position and inside foot in the high position!
@@EvansMTBSaga It worked out! Now it feels like I'm pedaling nothing when I'm riding my bike even with a 14T freewheel and 52T crankset. I had to set the preload to the max on the rear coil shock to compensate for the low ride height but other than that it worked out very well
@@ardwivedi16 my big brother
Has he tried 275 or even 26 setups? For the trails like these they should be way better
I'm back on an old 26" bike after riding a 29 and wonder if we gained anything with the larger wheels for the average rider.
yall going from 29er and sizing down the front wheel saying its manouverable and all
what if im a 27.5 and sizing UP the front wheel ?
I love my mullet emtb, it was born that way and is awsome
Does your bike have a flip chip for mullet configuration?
Yes but it was already in the high setting
respect for the crazy content
Try a 69ner…29 front/26 rear for your next video experiment!!
You needs to start with a 27.5 frame and under fork by 20mm to keep the geo happy and get the benefits of shorter chainstay
Even though my frame was meant to convert to mullet?
6:25 Those pedals are tiny, for you. How are the shoes?
Those chrome rims are sick. Just need a mullet version with Berd spokes now. Who needs to pay the mortgage, right?
Haha true! I would like some new wheels for the Enduro 😍
whoaaa... I'm actually more surprised that you know your jdm cars. s2k is a perfect car to describe what the 27.5 rear is like. Glad you enjoyed the mullet!
Haha right! My mom owns an s2000 and I get to drive it here and there. I love that go cart feel. I hope my mom doesn't read this, but I've cornered that s2000 sooooo fast and it can handle anything 🤣
congratulations on 81.2 t subs. you did gain lot of subs like past 8 days... ps u are best!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I've mullet 26x2.35 front and 24x2.8 rear
This is great for me (xc mtb)
Ok, you have established that you like mullet over 29er. But how does mullet stack against the playful full 27.5?
I'm thinking of going back to a 27.5 bike. I admit 29's are fast on the flat but seem to be worst everywhere else.
Which i9 wheel is that?
Hey Evan, SICK VIDEO! you got any ideas about streaming again?
I rode a mullet in Utah, Santa Cruz Nomad. Wasn’t a fan, I pedal checked more in one ride than I have in a year.
What happened to your SX? That is the full send, only mullet. Do you prefer Alchemy in mullet to a SX?
For the next video I'm putting on the enduro suspension on the Alchemy and gonna test it against the Meta SX. To me, the Meta SX as I built it is a perfect bike and it's just so balanced and fun to ride. So we will see!
@@EvansMTBSaga yeah, built one myself 6 months ago and it has been the dream. Never tried any other mullets tho, so keep up the good work :)
Alchemy is literally one of the best looking bikes…and they are super underrated…and off the radar 😎
Agreed! I had never heard of them before they contacted me
How does this work on a hard tale
I have been considering a mullet for a while but my one concern is I don’t think it would do very well for daily riding on road. If anyone has some good knowledge on this could help a lot thanks
I couldnt tell the difference between 29 meta tr and my meta sx, only difference is that 29s carry little bit more speed when you are pedaling. So yes, if only on road, 29 is better. But who does ride mtbs on the road :)
@@the10rv true statement but I use it for the road aswell as the trails as i can’t exactly drive yet
I’ve heard for road bikes it can be better to do the opposite of a mullet (put a smaller wheel in the front, or get a larger wheel in the back). It can help to get lower, more aero and supply more power to the cranks!
@@id8989 i still use Mtb but as I said I use it for trails aswell as daily use as it’s my only form of transportation
@@id8989 blasphemy :D
congratulations for 80k!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! hope u fill get 100k
yeaa
If mullets are better than full 29er, is mullet better than full 27.5 or mullet 27.5 front 26 rear? Maybe a new video???🎉😮
What’s that song at the start of the video called ?
Deep Space Samurai - Forever Sunset
Mullets are defiantly where it is at, especially if you like riding park, I’ve twisted my Scott ransoms geometry just so I could ride mullet 😂
I do like the mullet!
15 seconde in and im telling you right now i love the new editing.
Oh dude thanks for noticing! Tried hard to change it up
You told me to subscribe... So I did.
Love the videos ❤❤😍😍😍
Thanks big papa!
@@EvansMTBSaga Thanks for replying I love the videos and hope to go to Bentonville one day.😍😍
I’m going to be in Bentonville in a week wonder if I’ll see you?
Possibly! I frequent Coler
You didn't use the mullet link?
The flip chip was already set to high
I love this video
LMNT for the win!!!
I remember my buddies in college making 69’ers. Always wish i got on the badwagon
Live stream this Sunday ?
Just came across this video , thank you YT algorithm 😇 subbed bro 🙏 🙌 👍
BTW, was the lower bb noticeable??
Thanks Liam! The lower BB was noticeable and a really good height! Loved it
@Evans MTB Saga happy days , I'm building a DH rig this year, definitely going for the mullet !! I'm seriously considering going 27.5 and 26 rear just the prices for a 26 frame / rear end are cheap as chips right now !! Gunna have a try of a friends before I commit though! I'll let you know how I get on , keep the content coming brother 😎🤟
Siiiick
Great stuff man. Like how that Float X magically transformed into a Float X2 😂.
The fox 36 transformed to a fox 38 as well 😂
@@EvansMTBSaga Haha…damn didn’t pick up on that one. 👌🏽
Hey Evan! When ever im in Bentonville I was wondering I could ride your test loop with you sometime! It would be sick!
Yeah dude! When are you coming down? I love the new test loop
@@EvansMTBSaga I'll be there on Sunday next week through Saturday or Sunday, so basically a week, I'm in Texas so it's about an 8 hour drive
Oh sweet dude. Do you have Instagram? DM me! Maybe I'll have you record a clip or two of me 😂
Yeah I just sent a DM to you
Moolay fan here 🤘
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I've been riding this bike for 7 years now! czcams.com/users/postUgkxHL1v1R3NE5x4KiYfyt8dnQmyNYz7qi5L It was a great bike the day I got it, put it together, and went on my first ride; more importantly it's an even better bike today. I've ridden trails, street, and skatepark all on this bike. I have replaced almost every part on the bike. Some stuff has broken: derailleurs, wheels, shifter. Everything else were upgrades. The only ramaing original parts are the frame, bottom bracket, and crank set. BB and cranks will be upgraded soon. The geometry isn't great but that is really the only draw back to how good a value this bike is. Even after all the money I've spent upgrading it's still a more affordable bike than I'd have bought from a proper bike shop, especially with full suspension. I've also learned a lot about bikes working on it over the years. It really is one of the best perchases I've ever made and hopefully it'll still be around for another 7 years.
Did you say bmx background? 🤔
damn the video quality has really improved since he moved
Thanks dude!
"It was not a KOM" story of my life
One day I'll get one again!
Really amazing to see how MTB's are catching up to how motocross was 20 years ago. Now we only need the inverted forks
Hah right! MX bikes aren't even called mullets, it's just normal! There's a few brands doing inverted forks. I'd definitely like to try them
Inverted forks have been around for ages. Although still rare, even my first real bike almost 20 years ago already had one. Shiver SC, was kind of a pos considering the price tag though but enough for what I did. And looked f'ng rad.
They come with a few inherent downsides though. After all - nothing is for free - always a trade-off, you got to carefully choose what you're willing to compromise on.
It seems there's a few new SC ones coming up, with carbon tubes and all that funky sht. In a year or so there should be plenty of mid-term experience with them, but so far they couldn't hold water against the regular ones on the market. Except the Lefty, which is just built different.
I guess we'll see. But they sure won't just take over the market in a blink like some other things did.
Those chrome wheels came out amazing. I think i'm going to order myself some custom wheels. It is tax season after all, amiright? 🤣
Heck yeah perfect time for some upgrades! That's how I got started in mountain biking, check my first video. I got $1000 back and got the Axum and a few key upgrades
regarding mullet, you should start with Jaromír Jágr :D
Is that Thor's hammer?
It’s kinda strange seeing someone bring BMX style to mtb. They should make downhill BMX tracks like in BMX bandits (80s Oz film)
Your like the liver king of MTB
Haha that can be taken many different ways. I'll take it as a compliment cuz I like Liver King and I think he's funny
Hmm a mullet, never considered it before always keep both wheels same size, & that's a really good shirt reminds me of SEGA.
You already have the Meta SX
Omg when you climb outputting more watts you have a shorter time crazy
we need to keep chrome wheels back in the 90s
Bro has infinite money
You know what's even better??? Full on 27.5er. Not even joking. It's just more fun :D
May be more maneuverable but they aren’t gonna be as good when things get chunky but it’s a personal preference thing for sure, everyone likes something different
@@dylanperschon8479 with 2.5 or 2.6 tires and lower pressures they are brilliant on rough trails.
@@dimitriscsd still not as good as full 29 I’m sure they’re great still but nothing can beat the rollover from the 29s
@@dylanperschon8479 Agree to disagree! The only place where I believe a 29er is more efficient (and better) would probably be XC race bikes with minimum suspension.
You put down 30% more power on the climb with the smaller wheel of course it was faster 🤓
That explains why I'm struggling on hills on my 29er that I easily climbed on my 26 bike.
LMNT is good stuff. I really like Robb Wolf too. He calls out all the health and diet BS
can you tell us or show us about your bmx history
please
Ok, so how are you regularly pushing over 300W without pedaling?
That real time view sometimes is laggy