Are Mullet Bikes Faster? | Is Mixed Wheel Size Better For MTB?

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  • čas přidán 15. 02. 2020
  • With downhill and enduro racers of all statures testing and racing mullet mountain bikes - a 29" wheel up front with a 27.5" in the rear - we thought we'd do some investigating and figure out whether this MTB set up is actually faster 🤔
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  • @mikebeaumont78
    @mikebeaumont78 Před 4 lety +494

    For a second i thaught that was the "surfer guy" from sam pilgrims channel making an appearance

    • @edmundscycles1
      @edmundscycles1 Před 4 lety +22

      Only would happen when changing tyres .

    • @sitonka303
      @sitonka303 Před 4 lety +14

      Definitely been raiding the Pilgrims props department...
      Need to get the two mullets together for a video!

    • @jdavis417
      @jdavis417 Před 4 lety +2

      To be faster than Blake, you have to be a Super Dude?!?! ;)

    • @yournanisfit2028
      @yournanisfit2028 Před 4 lety

      Same😂

    • @krzysztofstorc4808
      @krzysztofstorc4808 Před 4 lety

      The same XD

  • @richardwarmington5394
    @richardwarmington5394 Před 4 lety +491

    I feel like Blake's tech videos are just an excuse for him to dress up in all sorts of weird outfits

    • @wheetbread1
      @wheetbread1 Před 4 lety +3

      and? 😂

    • @richardwarmington5394
      @richardwarmington5394 Před 4 lety +16

      @@wheetbread1 he looks fabulous

    • @wheetbread1
      @wheetbread1 Před 4 lety +16

      @@richardwarmington5394 he is definitely beautiful people

    • @marcshelby
      @marcshelby Před 4 lety

      thats what we others call weekend XD

    • @iancuk
      @iancuk Před 3 lety +1

      This episode : dress as Billie Ray Cyrus 🤣

  • @T-Crack
    @T-Crack Před 4 lety +385

    Mullet Blake is the cousin of the Californian from Sam Pilgrim’s channel 🤙. You say it was the smaller rear wheel, I say it was the hairdo🤘🤣.

    • @creeperjeeper94
      @creeperjeeper94 Před 4 lety +9

      trcXL was thinking the same thing when he popped out of the woods 😂

    • @NKPMPRODUCTIONS
      @NKPMPRODUCTIONS Před 4 lety +3

      Being a Californian I'm triggered 🤣

    • @th_js
      @th_js Před 4 lety

      Yea

    • @smeegain3657
      @smeegain3657 Před 4 lety +3

      That mullet hair was adding lots of downforce! That made it faster :D

    • @meinefresse94
      @meinefresse94 Před 4 lety +1

      A little known fact is that they are actually brothers separated at birth. They've lived in two different countries ever since :)

  • @barrakingbeatz7794
    @barrakingbeatz7794 Před 4 lety +245

    Motocross been running mullet for years

    • @leftaroundabout
      @leftaroundabout Před 4 lety +51

      not just for years, for _decades_

    •  Před 4 lety +65

      @@leftaroundabout that's years too, but a bit more

    • @JamesBiggar
      @JamesBiggar Před 4 lety +12

      @ Nah, it's still just years., which is plural for year. Could mean 2, could mean 20, could mean 200 or 2 million. Depends on the context...

    • @hondaverza
      @hondaverza Před 4 lety +3

      At least for century bro..

    • @prestachuck2867
      @prestachuck2867 Před 4 lety +24

      So have motocross fans. 😆

  • @Lycan3303
    @Lycan3303 Před 4 lety +159

    26in in the back and a FatBike wheel in the front ;)

    • @northerngiant2915
      @northerngiant2915 Před 4 lety +66

      You may lose races, but you’ll win hearts.

    • @buckroger6456
      @buckroger6456 Před 4 lety +12

      Think of that front end grip. Lol

    • @KandiKlover
      @KandiKlover Před 4 lety +3

      That's basically a reverse Schwinn Stingray bicycle.

    • @rhyleyhaselton8845
      @rhyleyhaselton8845 Před 4 lety +3

      now I honestly think 26 in the back plus 27 in the front might win you some races

    • @rolux4853
      @rolux4853 Před 3 lety

      Go all early 2000s specialized and make it 24 in the rear!

  • @TheProjectX3
    @TheProjectX3 Před 4 lety +88

    Mullet Blake should meet Californian Sam XD

  • @chrisgreen1094
    @chrisgreen1094 Před 4 lety +55

    I get the feeling that why the mullett version was faster was more to do with the geometry of the bike after fitting the smaller rear wheel, rather than just having a 27.5" wheel in the rear. Blake said he felt more comfortable on it downhill but it climbed terribly which i would put down to the geometry. It'd be interesting to see a 29" wheeled bike with the same, slightly slacker head angle and overall geometry as the mullet bike to see if it was faster or as fast to see if the wheel size actually made a difference.

    • @mnwebster62
      @mnwebster62 Před 4 lety +17

      Probably more to do with comparing 1 run on each... literally the worst way of testing. Should have run at least 5 runs alternating. Then rested and started again starting with the other bike instead

    • @chrisgreen1094
      @chrisgreen1094 Před 4 lety +15

      Matthew webster I'm always a bit sceptical with these single run comparisons, the more you ride a trail the more familiar you become with it and the faster you go. I'd say the second run will usually be faster than the first.

    • @CMneilB
      @CMneilB Před 4 lety

      My Geometron G1 is set up properly for 650/29 hybrid wheels, its great, but I bet a 29/29 cruises faster and is smoother over rough, the 29 front end was certainly smooth over rough ground than the 650 when I swopped over on my previous G16 back in '18. However, I also bet the hybrid setup turns in better and pumps better. so, being faster would be very track dependent IMO

  • @MaxMustermannnnnn
    @MaxMustermannnnnn Před 4 lety +47

    When mullet blake appears you should play „Danger Zone“ from top gun.

  • @janvincentjamolod5078
    @janvincentjamolod5078 Před 4 lety +11

    Riding full 26er dh bike for 4 years... last month. i put a 27.5 tire on front and i really feel the difference having the mullet setup. Cant deny the bike runs faster with the mullet setup compare to the full 26..

  • @fache69
    @fache69 Před 4 lety +2

    The Mullet hair style is short at the front and long at the back. So if everyone insists on using this terminology the 29" wheel should be at the rear and the 27.5 at the front

    • @halflife82
      @halflife82 Před 3 lety

      Yup. All this mullet talk should be renamed “reverse mullet”. It stupidly confusing

  • @arifsadler9859
    @arifsadler9859 Před 4 lety +5

    I’m liking the step up in graphics, quality content as always lads

  • @RiversideM
    @RiversideM Před 4 lety +58

    I'm confused. The mullet bike was faster on black by 4 seconds, blue by 1 and red by 2, and overall it was faster by 4 seconds? How does that work?
    The overall time is even more confusing because 1:50+2:21+1:02=5:13, but apparently it was 4:33? What am I missing

    • @johnmccormack7733
      @johnmccormack7733 Před 4 lety +20

      Times are 5:20 and 5:13. From what I can see blakey cant add?

    • @tamasstrezi3873
      @tamasstrezi3873 Před 4 lety +15

      Session times excluded the short climb inbetween

    • @noname-sd5dt
      @noname-sd5dt Před 4 lety +1

      rounding maybe?

    • @prusak26
      @prusak26 Před 4 lety +1

      segments overlapping maybe? Defo needs clarifying.

    • @Mikem0
      @Mikem0 Před 4 lety +40

      It's the metric system.

  • @alfiebrown6745
    @alfiebrown6745 Před 4 lety +6

    Racing motocross for all my life I’ve always thought about this as the front wheel is Bigger than the back and how it would effect a mountain bike. Mint video 👍🏽

  • @caperider1160
    @caperider1160 Před 4 lety +1

    I was kinda expecting such results. The advantages and disadvantages looked so obvious.
    By the way, I loved the way you blazed past those trails with the wig!!!

  • @3DReproductions
    @3DReproductions Před 4 lety +6

    Should have included a 27.5" front and rear time for further comparison!

  • @filipb1462
    @filipb1462 Před 4 lety +1

    I really like these types of videos.. keep them coming!

  • @piuspov4525
    @piuspov4525 Před 4 lety +52

    What about a 27" front and rear against 29" front and 27" rear?

  • @stevepodraza6363
    @stevepodraza6363 Před 4 lety +1

    I have been running my Liteville 301 with 27.5 x 2.6 DHF and 26 x 2.8 DHRII for 2 years before the 2.8 I ran a 2.4. Love this set up!

  • @FalcoBikes
    @FalcoBikes Před 4 lety +2

    @blake the geometry numbers do not seem right. Did someone calculate based on difference in wheel diameter instead of radius? There is no way the mullet setting changes the angles by 2 degrees or drop the BB by 4cm. Can you have someone double check?

  • @FastMav347
    @FastMav347 Před 4 lety +63

    I wonder how much course familiarity helped with the second run

    • @mrvwbug4423
      @mrvwbug4423 Před 4 lety +20

      He's ridden that bike park for years, he knows the trails there well.

    • @harmankardon8867
      @harmankardon8867 Před 4 lety +17

      @@mrvwbug4423 you still are always faster on secind run anyways

    • @buckroger6456
      @buckroger6456 Před 4 lety +7

      I always find that my fastest runs are often my 2nd or 3rd. You just know how the trail is going to be on your second run and your more in tune with the bike on that run.

    • @MarkoWolfStrmljan
      @MarkoWolfStrmljan Před 4 lety +1

      Mullet is way slacker and i think because of lower center of gravity. Hedtube abgle change is like putting a bigger fork. I think strive has 160mm fork as standart and changing that with 200mm fork.
      Would be interesting to see same thing going up the hill and do combine times.

    • @SeaCowsBeatLobsters
      @SeaCowsBeatLobsters Před 4 lety +8

      With 1 run for each wheel setup this wasn't anywhere near scientific. Just another subjective 2 cents from some guy who rides bikes. Kinda pointless to speculate about sources of error

  • @JamesBiggar
    @JamesBiggar Před 4 lety +33

    Don't need a test video to figure this out. Simple physics, established a long time ago. Smaller back tire = better acceleration, but lower top speed (rpm x circumference). Motocross uses this setup for this reason. You won't find it on cross country mtb or touring motorbikes, for example. What you use all depends on the style of riding.

    • @nicolapellegrino1072
      @nicolapellegrino1072 Před 2 lety +1

      Make comparisons between a motocross and a mtb is a nonsense... the riding technique the weight the response on trail and the diameter difference between front and rear wheel are absolutely not the same as the mtb... that's really a nonsense comparison.

  • @LordLlurch
    @LordLlurch Před 4 lety +4

    I ride a 1992 Koga Miyata SkyRunnerCarbolite, last year I've mulleted the bike to 27,5" frontwheel combined with a 100mm suspension fork. Resulting in a nice 2020 style 65 degree headangle.
    And a 67 degree seat angle ..... :D

    • @LordLlurch
      @LordLlurch Před 4 lety

      @Anton Chigurh instagram com/p/B8oEMirhhxL/

  • @BurnsRubber
    @BurnsRubber Před 4 lety +1

    Fun video! Great work Blake and team. I’m curious if the results would be different if you controlled for geometry, particularly head angle. Maybe next time get some head set cup to slacken out the 29er to the same HTA. Obvious 2deg slacker and a lower BB can make you feel more confident. If you want to take it further, put super heavy tires on the 27.5 to match the rotation inertia of the 29er.

  • @TheWeaksoup
    @TheWeaksoup Před 4 lety

    Thanks Blake! I'm excited to try a Mullet set up on my 2019 Megatrail.
    Mainly because this set up will allow me to hover around the same geo as the orginal with adjustable reach and stack heights.
    The stock seat tube angle is pretty steep too, 76°. That shoild will help in climbing.
    Finally a 27.5 is probably a "better" bike to convert to a 29er since the BB height will be already on point. Adding a 29er upfront will only raise it just a few mm.

  • @waynee.2856
    @waynee.2856 Před 4 lety +1

    Could you do a video explaining the Click Clack settings and pros and cons of each. I've never heard anyone else bring this up and I'm just curious. Thanks for sharing your time and knowledge. Love your vids and I'm a huge fan of GMBN. I haven't watched every video yet, but working on it.

  • @tallybobba
    @tallybobba Před 4 lety

    Thanks for explaining mullet bikes. For years I’ve wondered why dirt bikes have different size wheels and tires, your explanation makes complete sense for both dirt bikes and mountain bikes

  • @the_spanner_ch7mp
    @the_spanner_ch7mp Před 4 lety

    Another great testing video #GMBN
    Great video Blake and Mullet Blake sick dude!

  • @dtremblay17
    @dtremblay17 Před 2 lety

    My old Specialized Big Hit from 2003 has 26" front and 24" rear from the factory...i totally understand de "confidence" factor with such a setup. Nice vid!

  • @rylandwillis1128
    @rylandwillis1128 Před 4 lety

    I'm running a mullet on my Scott Ransom and absolutely love it. It's super flickable and easy to throw around but still rolls over rocks and logs!

  • @marinberndt4049
    @marinberndt4049 Před 4 lety +1

    More videos Kiel these. PLEASE love them 😂🤟

  • @martusho
    @martusho Před 4 lety +30

    I understand you need to meet a video format, however, this kind of test should be done with at least 10 rounds (alternating) per setup. Blake is a mega pro (I know) but the second round you always will go faster. Anyway the mullet angle has tons of benefits.

    • @martusho
      @martusho Před 4 lety +2

      Ps: love your videos, just a friendly comment from a fan.

    • @tabletopstudios3447
      @tabletopstudios3447 Před 4 lety +5

      Totally agree. That test is anything but scientific. Also in the beginning he mentioned the shorter chainstay but using a 29er doesn't give you that advantage. Either put a 29er fork in a 27,5" bike or test a bike made for both wheel sizes

    • @mikieson
      @mikieson Před 4 lety

      i would say the second round you would be tired and slower

    • @agentstarkk
      @agentstarkk Před 4 lety +2

      @@mikieson or loose and warmed up, it's a professional on a 5 minute ride

  • @Dauntless.steadfast.fortitude

    Wow that was some serious bad ass riding, you the man !
    I've been Frankenstein mullet bikes 4ever. Me being short only 5'5" with inseam of 29" & a regular length torso I fall in between SM 15.5" bikes & MD 17.5" bikes. I've always ran missed match size wheels....tall front & short rear.
    only problem was NO rear brakes until discs brakes came out.
    I ride an Trek Fuel EX MD 26" front & 24" rear. Santa Cruz Superlights, Hecklers, & Specialized Stumpjumpers all with this 26" F & 24" R....I'm also known for drilling & tapping & installing zerk fittings to headsets, bottom brackets, & hubs..my next mission is to customize a NEXUS hub for a crank bottom bracket & single
    speed rear hub....mullet bikes are great for jumpers & fast corners & amazing for descending.

  • @philipps4322
    @philipps4322 Před 4 lety +1

    And now use a cane creek angleset and offset bushings to make the 29“ have the same geo as the mullet version, to get comparable results. Still loved the video :)

  • @DDGB08
    @DDGB08 Před rokem

    Great video full of important details

  • @Homunculuspl
    @Homunculuspl Před 4 lety +6

    it was bad on the ups because you used a 29er as a base. the sweet spot for mullet is 27.5 base with a 20mm difference in travel front to rear so the geo stays pretty much the same, so 140mm rear 160mm front 27.5 bike => 140mm rear 140mm front 79er

    • @tayfunatwork
      @tayfunatwork Před 4 lety

      Alexandru cel Bun think about it, this is not right. If you want to do it right you have to consider the other 20mm of the wheel on the ground. In summary 40mm.

    • @Homunculuspl
      @Homunculuspl Před 4 lety

      @@tayfunatwork if you want to keep as close to the intended geometry of the original bike you must subtract the difference of the bigger wheel from the travel of the fork. and yes the difference is 38mm between wheels, the rest you can take from the spacers under the stem (if you have any). there is no exact conversion, just the "nearest conversion" :)

    • @miguelfragoso7023
      @miguelfragoso7023 Před 2 lety

      What about on a hard tail?

  • @prusak26
    @prusak26 Před 4 lety +55

    If the difference in radius of the rear wheels is 1.75 cm, how could the BB fall by 4 cm? You dropped the rear axle by 1.75 cm, the BB should have dropped by maybe 1 cm as the amount of drop would decrease towards the front axle.

    • @tamasvarga67
      @tamasvarga67 Před 4 lety +9

      prusak26 I think they measured both and the only possible explanation is that with the 29” wheel the SS was in XC mode which raised the BB and with the 27,5 it was in DH mode. That explains the otherwise impossible amount of change in the head angle, seat tube angle and reach...

    • @prusak26
      @prusak26 Před 4 lety +3

      @@tamasvarga67 That’s what I thought, but I think Blake said he would ride the bike in the same setting on both wheel sizes.

    • @tamasvarga67
      @tamasvarga67 Před 4 lety +2

      prusak26 He might rode it in the same settings but it wasn’t the same when they measured it :)

    • @tommills7075
      @tommills7075 Před 4 lety +3

      I've read elsewhere that it changes it 4mm so I presume he just got words muddled

    • @erobertson1417
      @erobertson1417 Před 4 lety +1

      The bottom bracket drop wouldn’t have been affected at all. It’s measured as a drop in the centreline between the two axles.

  • @tealchief
    @tealchief Před 4 lety +5

    So even just starting this video, the whole point of a mullet bike is the short rear chainstay and higher travel.
    Aside from the lower polar of movement of a 27.5 I don't think this geo is being fully utilized

  • @TaggalongMTB247
    @TaggalongMTB247 Před 4 lety

    Mullet bikes FTW! I did this on my Guerrilla Gravity Megatrail and haven't looked back! It's cool to see the timed test. Cheers!

    • @SplitRing
      @SplitRing Před 4 lety +1

      ^^^THIS GUY. Total shedder and the main reason GG and mullets are completely on my radar now. Yew!

  • @tayfunatwork
    @tayfunatwork Před 4 lety +3

    So good! Maybe confident of 64* rather than the smaller wheel?!

  • @th_js
    @th_js Před 4 lety

    Great vid Blake

  • @whitebear96
    @whitebear96 Před 4 lety +12

    So how can mullet bb be 4cm lower than on 29" when overall diameter difference between 29" and 27.5" is only 3.5cm = rear axle is 1.75cm lower on 27,5.. no way that BB is 4cm lower. That doesnt make any sense.

    • @waltersparks5271
      @waltersparks5271 Před 4 lety

      I agree 1/2 of 3.5cm is 1.75 lower which should be correct

    • @BardLeSnee
      @BardLeSnee Před 4 lety

      @@waltersparks5271 rear axle is 1.75 lower. So the bb would be even less low than that because it's further forward relative to the line intersecting both axles.

    • @waltersparks7124
      @waltersparks7124 Před 4 lety +1

      @@BardLeSnee l agree you are right I forgot about difference between front and rear axles . I did some math but since there is a difference between the lengths from bb to rear and front axles it comes to about 1.55 mm

  • @living4adrenaline
    @living4adrenaline Před 4 lety +1

    The Vittoria "Mota", gotta love it.

  • @01surge24
    @01surge24 Před 4 lety

    Added the 29er front end setup to my Marin Rift Zone 27.5...handles awesome...great pedal clearance..great trail bike

  • @ruuman
    @ruuman Před 4 lety +10

    My conclusion with mountain biking is that we are finally learning the motorcross guys had all this figured out a long time ago! Cool vid

  • @crissvaughn85
    @crissvaughn85 Před 4 lety

    You guys are the very best, top class, number one - period 🚀🚀🚀

  • @nicksadler5329
    @nicksadler5329 Před 4 lety +2

    I think tests like this are quite interesting but to get a proper comparison of any back to back test, then a number of runs need to be done so that an average can be worked out as there are just so many variables involved.

  • @AM-pp7xp
    @AM-pp7xp Před 4 lety +51

    Mullet bike with 29'' with 26''?

    • @dylancollins7077
      @dylancollins7077 Před 4 lety +8

      A M I ride with that set up what I can say is that it’s very hard on the climbs but descent are very fast and you feel really confident going over rocks, roots and hitting jumps and drops

    • @Dd_chill
      @Dd_chill Před 4 lety +13

      That existed a few years ago. That was the Trek 69er

    • @thermalCat
      @thermalCat Před 4 lety +5

      I've been riding a 26" hard tail with 29 forks & front wheel for years.
      The only compromise I noticed was a slight loss of lateral stability at slow speeds -probably due to lifting the bottom bracket.
      Other than that, it was a total no-brainer. Big grins all round.

    • @jdavis417
      @jdavis417 Před 4 lety

      I've read that, all thing being equal (and they're often not designed equally), a 26'er is TWICE as strong as a 29'er!

    • @living4adrenaline
      @living4adrenaline Před 4 lety

      exclusively as a chairlift rig, sure!

  • @wuzihuzi
    @wuzihuzi Před 2 lety

    I'm glad you talked about climbing in the end there, I was keen on one until you said that because unfortunately there aren't a lot of lifted trails around here

  • @c.armandobarrios4244
    @c.armandobarrios4244 Před 4 lety

    it would've been nice to see a rider outline of how body/riding position changes due to the new geometry of the bike mullet bike compared to the standard 29". Maybe a future add on to geometry videos?

  • @MrLmao37
    @MrLmao37 Před 4 lety +3

    Watching this video has given me an idea, Iam thinking of getting a 27.5 fork and front wheel for my 26er.

  • @2bored490
    @2bored490 Před 4 lety +2

    Numbers dont add up 3.5cm drop in tyre radius yet have a 4cm bottom bracket drop ?? Think another run with the flip chip in the higher position in mullet would have been a closer comparison and maybe a hill climb test as well. Better vid otherwise compared to Neil's a while back .😄

  • @telposh
    @telposh Před 2 lety

    Maybe it was 2004 when Sherwood Gibson shows his very first Mullet 29" with 26" wheels, It was a dream of vermillion bike! I remember using that photo as background on my PC. For 5 years i've been enjoying my Turner 5 Spots with 27,5 in the front and 26" rear, not that radical as the Ventana, but I wouldn't change it at all. I LOVE MY FRICKING BIKE!!

  • @solsmith2906
    @solsmith2906 Před 4 lety +1

    I have a 27.5 carbon hardtail but i run a 26” easton xtr wheel on the rear with a easton ar24 27.5 up front and its a dream

  • @computerbob06
    @computerbob06 Před 4 lety +2

    Can't wait for this year's Mega, to see Blake wearing his mullet in the race?!

  • @nathanwforrest
    @nathanwforrest Před 4 lety +1

    Hold on here; reducing your wheel diameter form 74.5cm to 71cm (3.5cm reduction in diameter, or 1.75cm reduction in radius) reduces your bottom bracket height 4cm (from 37 to 33)? Where does the other 2.25cm come from? That's not even accounting for the fact that the BB is 435mm forward of the rear axle, so the change in BB height is actually 1.1cm, not 4cm.
    Also, reducing the radius of the rear wheel by 1.75cm on a bike with a 119.6cm wheelbase changes the headtube angle and seat tube angle by 0.84 degrees, not 2 degrees.
    Accordingly, the rest of the geometry pronouncements are equally as flawed.

  • @kasperfriis462
    @kasperfriis462 Před 4 lety +32

    what about comparing a 27,5 bike to a mullet?

  • @Lisianthus_Nana
    @Lisianthus_Nana Před 4 lety +3

    The credit of glittering hair!

  • @sailorman263
    @sailorman263 Před 4 lety

    Great video. Perhaps if you could pick up a bike designed for the Mullet wheel setup? Maybe a Foes Mixer? That way your geometry is not all wonky.

  • @aliikane
    @aliikane Před 4 lety

    I did the same experiment a few months ago. It is good. More DHish because it is slacker, stack height is higher in relation to BB (again more DHish), tighter turning, and less tire butt buzz. The not so good is climbing is tougher and BB is lower (more pedal strikes).

  • @joed899
    @joed899 Před 4 lety

    Way back when I was racing downhill in 2000-2008 I was running a 26" front and 24" rear. The biggest downside was the fact there were very few good 24" rims. I ended up with dice 26 and dice 24 rims. They weren't as strong as demax but at 1/4 of the price it didn't matter. They buckled badly but they could end up like a 50 cent coin (Australian).

  • @fast4179
    @fast4179 Před 4 lety

    Specialized did it in 03, big hit comp. I loved that bike.

  • @erobertson1417
    @erobertson1417 Před 4 lety +2

    How did you make the change in geometry numbers? Hey don’t look right to me. Specifically the BB drop.

  • @muehtra
    @muehtra Před 4 lety

    Great video and comparison !!! You've talked about 29 against mullet bike, but what about 27.5 against mullet bike ?

  • @TheButlerNZ
    @TheButlerNZ Před 4 lety

    I rocked a reverse mullet in 78'. A purple Raleigh Chopper Mk2.
    As a 10yo I fitted BMX forx and blue Dale Industries mags... As a 10yo I discovered triangulation... or lack of it... leads to weak design. And gussets helped prevent frame cracking... and pedals with c-clips to retain them were good for ripping the instep of your bata bullets (kiwi shoes of the day) and didn't do much better for the instep of your feet.
    And i learned the word "Gudgeon"... Luckilly my dad was a "This is MY GARAGE....... try not to brake anything.." q8D

  • @bikeadventurer
    @bikeadventurer Před 4 lety

    Interesting concept!

  • @brixsteezy4486
    @brixsteezy4486 Před 2 lety

    I have a mullet spez enduro 2017 29/6fattie, it kinda has a short wheelbase but i run 27.5 2.6 dhr rear and a 29 2.6 assegai on the front, i love it, doesnt really suffer on the climbs but on the steep and loose and wet terrain here in my local trail, its grippy and it corners fast

  • @teunluijbregts2533
    @teunluijbregts2533 Před 4 lety +3

    Yes mullet bikes are the way to go! 😍👍
    I recommend an 18" in the rear and 55" or 56" in the front for optimum effect 🤘💪

    • @johndef5075
      @johndef5075 Před 4 lety +3

      Penny farthing is the ultimate mullet bike😂

    • @MonMalthias
      @MonMalthias Před 3 lety

      Reject modernity
      R E T V R N to Penny Farthing

    • @teunluijbregts2533
      @teunluijbregts2533 Před 3 lety

      Penny farthing is the ultimate in modernity 🤗

    • @keirfarnum6811
      @keirfarnum6811 Před 3 lety

      No. A 128”/20” penny farthing!

  • @ethanprice6842
    @ethanprice6842 Před 4 lety

    I love Blake so much
    Keep up the great video guys

  • @fogas3644
    @fogas3644 Před 4 lety +2

    Why did the reach change? The smaller wheel changed the size of the frame or what?! 😂
    And the overall time was different..
    29er: 5:20 (1:54+2:22+1:04)
    Mullet: 5:13 (1:50+2:21+1:02)
    It was 7 second faster, not 4

    • @SeaCowsBeatLobsters
      @SeaCowsBeatLobsters Před 4 lety

      This level of scientific rigor is par for the course. Like someone else said, some people are too busy sending it to learn basic math

  • @alexanderflieger8095
    @alexanderflieger8095 Před 4 lety

    I would say to be very accurate you would have to run it four times. Because the second time you will also be more relax because you’ve don’t it once. Now if you changed it up to four times. It would be consistent with comfortability. But over all that is a huge number distance which proves it’s fast. Great video guys best bike content on the web.

  • @kaupo80
    @kaupo80 Před 4 lety +6

    The math is a bit off :) The aggregated difference in 3 segments was 7 seconds, but the total difference was just 4?

    • @lukeb2818
      @lukeb2818 Před 4 lety +1

      I was also wondering - that didnt add up. Should have been 4:30 for the mullet I guess.

  • @mrvwbug4423
    @mrvwbug4423 Před 4 lety

    And when the bike is designed from the get go as a mullet bike, you get a decent seat tube angle and good climbing. I am really interested to try a mullet bike now. I currently ride a 27.5 and like its poppy and playful disposition.

  • @NorthernSkiAndCycle
    @NorthernSkiAndCycle Před 4 lety +5

    The issue I have wiith tests like these, is you're doing one run, then another, so you're more familiar the second time around (but I assume you've ridden these trails before). A better test would be doing maybe 3 runs on each wheel size and taking the averages.

    • @brownerthanu
      @brownerthanu Před 2 lety

      +100 to this. Better yet, have other riders do the same test. This would actually be a good crowdsourcing problem. Get 100 riders to do it. Each time flip a coin to determine which config to ride first.

  • @rishabhsingh5014
    @rishabhsingh5014 Před 4 lety +3

    Please do a Mullet Bike with 26” rear and 29” front
    it might be even mightier with plus size tire at the rear

  • @gregjetnikoff7124
    @gregjetnikoff7124 Před 4 lety

    OK. I have been using 96 and 97.2ers for the last 7 years. First two were to fix handling issues with a Rocky Mountain Element Carbon 50i( 26") and the evil Santa cruz Blur XC carbon (26"). Both had ridiculously low bottombrackets and the XC had a way too steep head angle for the trails we rode ( tight rocky and all climbing /descending). The SCXC was my bike, 29 front with 29" forks and 26" rear. Fixed all the aweful pedal strikes and I reset it up to rebalance the feel and it climbed and descended way better. You could climb over the front of the bike better ( my preferred riding style).
    The RC element 50 was my girlfriend's. She had come off the bike so many times she had bought herself a new SC BLUR LT2 Carbon and refused to ride the RC anymore. I did the front 29 wheel and fork and rebalanced the bike ( seat angle/ bar distance angle, shock height etc). So it was also a 29/26" setup. The good thing about the 29 forks is I could change to a 26,27.5 or 29 quickly. I then had her ride up and back along a slightly ascending then descending twisty trail with the respective wheels on the front. I didn't tell her which was which. Results were: 29/26 fastest down and, second fastest up ( by stuff all). 27.5/26 fastest up and second fastest down, 26/26 slowest up and down.
    She liked it so much that she got me to convert he SCBlutLT2 carbon the same way. 29/26.
    I bought a Giant anthem advanced xc carbon ( the one that self destructed frames). Again tried it with a 29 front and the stock 27.5 rear. Vast improvement ( again I rebalanced the bike to the new setup). Interestingly my frame lasted LONGER than most peoples before it had to be replaced ( nearly 3 years). That is possibly because I am a bit gentler on frames than most ( stuffed cartledges in my neck means no big air).
    Now my new Santa Cruz 5010. Went straight to 29/27.5. Something wasn't kosher. It handled very well but no matter how I balanced it it felt skittery on climbs, even when loading the front. Went back to 27.5 front and it improved everywhere except fast downhill. Moral of that story is not everything benefits from a different diameter wheels.
    My hard tail is also 29/27.5 and handles superbly for a frame with an elasticity modulus that work at small bumps, but bounces the back into the air on big hits. It was designed originally for 27.5/27.5.
    My take on this is the same a dirt motorcycles. The bigger gyroscope of the front allows better control over the rear that is fixed to the frame.

  • @jacoblingemann_mtb
    @jacoblingemann_mtb Před 4 lety +1

    You guys should make a mullet bike that was originally 27.5 front and rear

  • @Jenobence
    @Jenobence Před 4 lety

    I am researching the advantages/disadvantages of a mullet bike, so I ended up here. Thank you for the last conclusion. I was about to change my XL Specialized Enduro to mullet, just to suit me a little better, but to sacrifice the climbing ability of that awesome bike... no way.

  • @acfella100
    @acfella100 Před 4 lety

    Others have said it but the real test will be to take a naturally 27.5 wheeled bike and put a 29er fork and wheel on it. I know this is more work but that would be a better test. It would have the effect of raising the bottom bracket as opposed to dropping it. It will still slacken the head tube and seat tube angles though. I've been really wanting to do this on my Rocky Mountain Altitude...this would keep me from buying a whole new bike for sure..:) thanks for the great content. Cheers, Bo

  • @ApexHerbivore
    @ApexHerbivore Před 4 lety +1

    Should have included a full 27.5er in the test. Maybe next test is 27.5 vs Mullet?

  • @marcelchaloupka
    @marcelchaloupka Před 3 lety

    Didn’t realise there was such a thing as Mullet bikes. The funny thing is that’s how I set my bike up years ago. What would be interesting to see is a mullet setup what the wheels with tyres are the same diameter. So the rear tyre is fatter, a plus’s type of tyre on the rear.

  • @buckroger6456
    @buckroger6456 Před 4 lety

    Never get tired of watching Blake shred. Also mullet Blake FTW

  • @webmenacee
    @webmenacee Před 4 lety +21

    Let's do 27.5 front, and a classic 26 rear. We grew up on 26"

    • @ollieluxford4479
      @ollieluxford4479 Před 4 lety +1

      Peter Bonilla I'm running a mullet 26.5/26 Standton slackline, I've dropped the fork travel to Co, oe sate for the higher front end. its a fair bit faster

    • @peterbagosi3862
      @peterbagosi3862 Před 4 lety +1

      i wanna do that setup on my hardtail, because i cant find my rear rim in size 26"

    • @magicmacify
      @magicmacify Před 2 lety

      Lol 26

  • @kimbogreen69
    @kimbogreen69 Před 4 lety

    Oh cummon Blake. Been waiting for this test. Thought you would do your Scout 27.5 and whack a 29" front on it. Building a scout 275 at the moment and wondering whether to go mullet or not.
    How about testing dropping a 29er back wheel down to 27 VS putting a 29er wheel on a 275.
    Use hardtails to make the test more technically perfect.

  • @nicoofner85
    @nicoofner85 Před 4 lety +12

    I put a 29er wheel and fork on my 27.5 DH bike and the headangle only slackend 0.5° not 2°
    So that maybe explains why most people convert a 27.5 bike to mullet

    • @jdavis417
      @jdavis417 Před 4 lety

      If a 27.5 owner had a fork that took BOTH 29" & 27.5+ they'd be sittin' in tall cotton? This could change my geometry just enough to take me from AM to Enduro specs.

    • @kyleslater5245
      @kyleslater5245 Před 4 lety

      Aren’t 29 forks only 190mm not 200? That might have been the reason for less of a change then expected.

    • @nicoofner85
      @nicoofner85 Před 4 lety

      @@kyleslater5245 yeah you can get them in 180 or 190 too, but I still have 200mm. Same fork just 29 lowers

    • @kyleslater5245
      @kyleslater5245 Před 4 lety

      Okay good to know. I’m still a ways off from that yet but who knows what the future holds

    • @nomadcarpenter8549
      @nomadcarpenter8549 Před 4 lety

      Look at my comments below. It explains the numbers correctly. And as you have found, it drops your head angle by just over half a degree

  • @davidp5947
    @davidp5947 Před 4 lety +1

    Wow - I just installed installed a 29 fr on my 27.5+ this evening. Going to the mullet has several advantages: 1) raise BB 2) slacker geo 3) lighter tire/wheels. We'll see how it goes tomorrow am.

    • @michaelstewart9308
      @michaelstewart9308 Před 4 lety +1

      I went mullet on my 27.5+ as well but put a 2.6 tyre on the rear, that way the bottom bracket height remains in the same position and therefore helps with stability

    • @davidp5947
      @davidp5947 Před 4 lety

      @@michaelstewart9308 That's a good point - mix and match tire sizes to keep an optimum BB height. I was plagued with pedal strikes on my 6fattie. Happy to report that the mullet config was a significant improvement. (29 2.6 fr and 27.5 3.0 rear)

  • @t._.hallas5372
    @t._.hallas5372 Před 4 lety +4

    7:25 interesting noise

  • @gmow99
    @gmow99 Před 4 lety

    Wish you would talk about the feel of the bike more and consider doing this with a bike that holds its geo together better in mullet form, but that is pretty tough

  • @georgesa.videau8332
    @georgesa.videau8332 Před 4 lety +2

    Great video thanks. 1- Worth it on a hardtail too? 2-Would it be different with a 29 front wheel on a 27.5 bike?

    • @lattegmv
      @lattegmv Před 4 lety +3

      I'm currently riding mine with 29x2.4 in the front and 27.5x2.8 in the rear. It's feels really nice. Just go for 650b+ in the rear. It cushions really well and does, what it's supposed to do. Also its more forgiving when you come up short on gaps and hit roots really hard.

  • @a.wolfgang6423
    @a.wolfgang6423 Před 4 lety +2

    3:02 nice!

  • @1991Sweeney
    @1991Sweeney Před 4 lety

    Blake challenge. How small can you go on the rear wheel and it actually be ride-able, trick-able?, practical. 26’, 24’, 20’??
    Might be a fun video.

  • @actl786
    @actl786 Před 3 lety +1

    On dirt motorcycles, our dirtbikes, motocross etc... We've gone mullet from the start. It's common sense when riding on dirt. You Mtbikers discovered this now? Here's a tip: everything we've done on our dirtbikes, copy the specs, angles, design etc & apply it to your mountain bikes.

  • @Kii.legacy
    @Kii.legacy Před 3 lety

    The editing is absolutely WHAAAAAA

  • @robertandersson2523
    @robertandersson2523 Před 4 lety +15

    Wasn't one of the reasons to keep the back short?
    Shouldn't you start from a 27,5?

    • @rodrigoorozco1722
      @rodrigoorozco1722 Před 4 lety +1

      I think so plus you wouldn't lose ground clearance

    • @markjohnson5502
      @markjohnson5502 Před 4 lety +3

      And something smaller than a 2.6 on the rear

    • @bigfun4212
      @bigfun4212 Před 3 lety

      The early specialized big hit was available as both . The mullet version didn’t last but it was fast and aggressive.

  • @bikemad
    @bikemad Před 4 lety +14

    Blake I recent put a 29front wheel with a 160 fork on my firebird 27.5 feels faster and don't suffer poor climbing

    • @jackrotter9434
      @jackrotter9434 Před 4 lety

      I was thinking about doing this to my knolly warden 27.5 instead of buying a new bike... Should I do it?

    • @Bordpie
      @Bordpie Před 4 lety

      I'm currently putting together a 27.5'' bike with a boost hub fork on the front which can take a 2.8'' plus tyre. It can also take a 29'' wheel with a smaller tyre so I heard, so it's basically the same effect. Although a 27.5'' rear on a 29'' frame will have a slightly different effect than a 29'' front on a 27.5'' frame, the former would lower the BB and the latter would raise it, maybe it will make it less stable and controllable, we'll see.

  • @OverMotoren
    @OverMotoren Před 4 lety +2

    Now there's a big difference between swapping your rear wheel for a smaller size (and shapeshifting it too) or swapping the front for a larger one.
    I still have a 26" and am thinking upgrade... the only way to go is to get a new front. But I think it can actually be ok, since it's got a steep head angle too, as was usual back in the day. Going larger should in theory kick out the front a little, plus increasing the wheel for a smoother ride. I like the idea.....
    Think the difference can actually be bigger than what Blake is doing here, especially with his highly adaptable geometry soaking up a lot of the rough edges. What do you think?

    • @kyleslater5245
      @kyleslater5245 Před 4 lety

      Over Motoren that will be okay. I did that on one of my bikes and definitely found an improvement.

    • @OverMotoren
      @OverMotoren Před 4 lety

      Cool! Good to know. That'll kick some new life in the old beastie

    • @ThisGuyRides
      @ThisGuyRides Před 4 lety +1

      I tried 27.5 front with 26er Lyrik fork a few years ago and felt a small increase in rollability.
      After a few rides that feeling went away and going back to 26 front didn't feel different.
      But I was running a big 2.5 26er tire vs Maxxis Ardent 2.2 27.5 tire so not much difference in actual diameter.
      However, this off season I am permanently swapping front with proper 27.5 fork and getting new mullet wheel set built.

  • @urg0nnah8me
    @urg0nnah8me Před 4 lety +1

    I like how people don't remember that this was a thing back in the day. Running a 26" wheel up front and a 24" wheel in the rear. "Mullet bikes" have been around forever. Seriously, everything old really does become new again.

    • @Walking_Death
      @Walking_Death Před 4 lety

      Not only MTBs... 1980 XR250 Honda had a 23" front wheel when everything else was 21". Even trail bikes had mullets in the '80s

  • @dit4963
    @dit4963 Před 4 lety

    I think the boost in confidence on the mullet setup came mostly from that 64 degrees HA.
    I don't understand why Canyon went with a 66 degrees HA on a long travel 29er, especially that it also has the Shapeshifter. I guess it was the "do-it-all bike" mentality.

  • @neilaspeling2317
    @neilaspeling2317 Před 4 lety

    I just realized how much Blake like to use the phrase "Dramatic Change" .... LOL

  • @andreykubyshkin868
    @andreykubyshkin868 Před 4 lety +2

    The tyre diameter has reduced by 3.5 cm, which means the radius has reduced by 1.75 cm. How did it dropped the BB by 4 cm?

  • @roythearcher
    @roythearcher Před 3 lety +1

    "my mouth's cold!.... Does that ever happen Blake???😂