Our N47 BMW Project Ended Before It Even Began! SNAPPED TIMING CHAIN!
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- The N47 Timing chain issue is not a myth, we proved it in a very uneventful fashion...
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' once the engine died i lost all interest ' glad to see you're no different from us home modifiers
N47 life. 😂
It's not always bad news on those engines. I've done quite a few of those engines and saved them. The valves kiss the pistons break the camshaft rocker valve gear and pop the valve collets out. Without bending valves. I've refitted the valve collets and checked cylinders with an air line to prove compression .with out pulling the head. If that's good its game on to check camshaft lobe alignment against the shaft as they are splined or press fit. If good fit new chains and realign pump timing to BMW's new spec/position. You never no!! happy spannering??
Great to see a realistic honest point of view 👍🏻
My N47 done 210k miles now, had the chains replaced at 200k mind; the engine sounds really tight now 👌. You need to get another N47 on here with decent history and show us what you can do with it, would love to extract a sensible few more horses out of mine.
Would you say the chain needs changing around 200k? I'm on 80k currently
@@fasn279 I got the chain done on my 520D at 100k just as a precaution. It only cost me about £1100 so it wasn't a massive expense in the grand scheme of things. I spend more on tyres in a year!
@@fasn279 I just changed mine on 150k miles because you could hear it when the car was cold, it cost me 700euros. I dont know why there is so much fuss about it
Mine snapped at 221k miles
@@fasn279 depends on oil change Intervalls. Don.t go over like 7500 miles I'd say
One of BMW's worst pieces of design absolute garbage for a supposed Premium product.
D C and yet I see like a bmw 118d that’s eight years old with this N47 engine for sale for around 10K with 40k mikes, it’s just mind boggling and stupid.
Had no problems with my 2010 120d.207bhp 400nm
121k on clock now.Serviced myself since 50k.Mobil 1 oil change every 8k.Always warm engine up before giving it the beans.Always made sure never drop gears so as not to cause a high jump in the revs as this puts increased shock stress on the chain.Only thing i had to fix on engine is new tensioner and a starter motor.Oh and I dont do short journeys always 15-20 miles min.Oh and never have the bloody stop start on either.
Made sure I bought as late plate as possible.No swirl flaps and improved tensioners etc.
Thanks so much for your videos and turbo kits you sell for N47, just waiting for my original turbo to break and will buy your kit after changing timing chain ^^
Don't wait for it to break!
Changed my timing chain last week after 207,000 km. I started hearing a bit of a rattle in the winter, so I figured I'd get it done. I was right to do so because my chains were close to snapping.
Own a 2013 X3 2.0d Msport myself with 210k and goes very well with more than regular maintenance. Would love to see a video on how much you guys can get out of my car and plan a visit to your workshop....I’m Italian living in Rhodes Greece 🇬🇷
Have an appointment for 11th of April for chain replacement. Mine has 275k kms now (approx 168k miles). 318d here. Then I plan to re-map but only with stock everything. 170ps would be enough. 143 now.
I've always wanted to get into BMW's, had around 10 VAG cars, had two BMW's and they've always gone wrong, this brings back memories of my E46 330D when the swirl flags fell in (That job that I never got around to.....)
You can always use my 520D to do some experiements on!
Engines mate i had a engine that was sound no noises no knocks i decided to floor it on one stop light chain slipper and broke a lifter still managed to get home.I swapped the engine with what was to be a good engine , first thing to realise when i drop it in was a noisy timing chain.Ive been beating it for 1 year now and still no issues it boggles my mind innit lol.
I own 2 x 1 series 118d and 120d both N47 engines the 118 just hit 177k never had a chain done and the 120d has just gone over 201k neither have had a chain done it’s such a grey area some go at 40k 100k and like mine never atall
To be fair that engines done over 150k extended oil changes don't help change every 6 7000 miles switch off start stop and you shouldn't have any issues with chain, hope you don't give up on the bmw I'd be interested to see what sort of reliable power you can push out of a N47 keep it up
👍👍
Reyt then, chain snapped!
Summary!
Would love to see you cover the N57 Engine :D
My 120d from 2009
177cv n47
260000 without any noise on timing chains, I swapped just in case
Got 10k done now and it's ok
IV got a 1.4 TSI engine vag and IV done the chain twice on that and IV done a customer's on 45 and mine still has a slight rattle on start up terrible engine, shit on fuel too
I had the timing chain snap on a works van I had with the fiat 1.3 multijet, absolutely shite engine, no warning just let go when I changed gear. It had only done 70k miles and we had multiple failures on our fleet of them. Can't beat a PD haha
My outside guide up to the cam crumbled to bits and the chain was flicking up and off the block.. took my rocker cover off and could lift the chain off the sprocket almost.. 8 hours later and the engine was out 🤮 new chain, new guides, new tensioners all new gaskets and seals and she’s good for another 30 miles 😂
Wasn’t too bad of a job, I like the engine more now tbf...
1:42 watch out, there's some dodgy looking character in the office. 😀
Thank god the previous owner of my 320d coupe had the chain done just before i bought it
My brother in law had a 2008 320d touring which let go just the same. Thanks largely to the fact it had already been into BMW for initial investigation shortly before completely letting go they fixed it under warranty, with him only having to pay a small amount for consumables. Would have cost about thousands otherwise.
Lost complete faith in the car and sold it not long after. The 4 cyl petrols of this generation are similarly afflicted.
Pile of s**t when you think they weren't cheap cars when new.....
BMW claimed to have made improvements during the life of the N47 such that anything made after 3/2009 should not snap (though could get noisy). B47 started from something like 6/14 (a least in X3) so there must be a lot of these later "safe" N47s about. This one was '57 so an early engine which should have had the free "quality enhancement" which tests/replaces one or both chains. Part of the problem was the crank sprocket which was integral to the crank so nobody is ever going to fix an engine with one of those.
Anything up the B engine is rubbish, F10s are nutorious for snapping chains..
Hey chaps, how about a series on a e9x.. 330d as heard they can be generally more reliable than 335d with cars of this age range 👍
I’ve got an E87 123d it’s as an N47 with a bi-turbo and my boost pipe popped off today coincidentally, I think I might have not pushed it all the way on last week when I swapped out the glow plug module underneath it but I did hear the clip click in. I thought I had some kind of catastrophic failure with all the boost dropping and the engine sounding all throaty, but on a quick look it just needed popping back on!
Nobody cares about your fantasy story
I’ve got a 120d e82 n47 if you want to try out what bhp you can get out of it had timing chain done hopefully wouldn’t be joining this one I’ve drove it hard and it hasn’t give in yet 😂
I heard 318d and the title made all the sense in the world 😂
Nice video 👍 Anyone know difference in turbos in 2010 between the 318d m sport 143 vs 320d 177/181 ? Are the same size exhaust ? Thanks
@darksidedevelopments Just FYI, you've got a big market of N47 engines in the USA that would probably be interested in power numbers here.
You guys need to play with the later N47s on the F series cars. A x20d hybrid turbo should bolt straight onto a x16d/x18d, but not sure what the craic is with injectors. Would love to see a 300bhp 118d!
we don't work with hybrids!
Need get onto the M47 project 🤷🏻♂️
@THCbreath. Yep.
My old M47 engined 320d m sport touring, got absolutely raped every day of it's life, and just loved it.
Sold it with 144k on, and it's still being thrashed now !
@@DjNikGnashers my 320cd has just been written off with 165k on, the engine was rock solid and I drove the arse off it whenever possible, they're absolutely brilliant engines, FAR FAR better than the N47, I wouldn't take one for free.
Probably an M57 for me next.
I never understood how they could go from the M47 to this (same with the 6-cylinders) and call it a successor. It's like they fired the entire engineering team and told them the old team got fired for making them too reliable don't make the same mistake...and then as an additional f u they also put the chain on the transmission side making it a huge job to change it. It's almost as if their plan was that these things fail after like 100k mls then making it hard to change it so that the customer gets a big estimate and decides to buy or lease a new model...
Well yeah... I bought an M135i in 2015. Nice car, in fact I loved it. But trying to get a service (oil and filter change) before the service interval was bloody difficult and they spoke to me like I was crazy. The BMW service interval is 24 months. I live in Perth Western Australia and we have 40C+ summers and 0C nights in Winter. I just wanted fresh oil when I bought it as ex-Demo. I think these car manufacturers dont really want people keeping hold of their cars. They would want people to buy new and throw away at 3 or 5 years and get another new one.
My 2008 318d touring had its timing chain snap 9 years ago at around 100k miles (1 owner FBMWSH). Its now at 200k miles and havent had any other major issues. Id simply recommend to anyone buying these cars that you should change the timing chain before it snaps and you can then enjoy the car for years to come. Its just a bad design and ALMOST guaranteed to fail eventually 🤷♂️
Bought 07 320d 177hp. It has 280km, a bit noise from the chain. I booked it for the complete rebuild, chain, gaskets etc. Am I crazy? 🤣🤣😳
Really interesting video, is the engine toast now or is it a none contact engine? Keep up the good work👍
Its gone!
Got a e46 with m47n 150hp remapped to about 1.6x bar, standard cooler, automatic. Should i be worried about intake temps? I cant get access with my pc to meter that , it has a temp sensor but yea.
Don't give up please enjoy watching your videos and I've always had bmws and I believe the engines are sweet very linear power , tbh I done a cheeky mot test and mileage was showing around 160k so can happen to any N47 of that age, I have a f30 320d would love to see what sort of gains you can get with hybrid turbo
The car went back to the previous owner!
The good news is that the B47 seems to be much more reliable in terms of cam chain. That would definately be my choice if I'd look at a newer 4 cyl diesel BMW. Otherwise, the six pot diesel in the E9X/F3X is the only choice for me. N47 not worth it!
Hi.
Is a GT2256V very different from a GTB2056V?
Is it worth the change?
Thanks.
Own a '09 318d e91 lci 150000k, brought it cheap, payed for the uprated timing chain, looking at a sensibe remap for a little extra play and mpg. Good milage, cheap tax and insurance. Will drive it into the ground now and get my moneys worth while servicing it regularly 😅
You know where to come for the tune 😉
I bought my 120d at 94k done the chain at 100k and she has been spot on. All i had to do was a swirl flap delete after that and its been fine. They are touch and go though. Heard bad story’s of chains snapping under 20k but mines been alright upto 130k. Its also mapped with an exaust. Still running dpf and it got to 217bhp and 400+ft lb
You mean newton meters right?
Kyle Ardito ft lbs is a different measurement mate
Theres no way thats 400lbft thats nm. My tiguan remapped puts out 190bhp and around 380nm of torque.
Mikey GTi no it is ft lb?
@@iamrimmer_5851 impossible for a stock turbo on 120d to pull over 530nm.
Do you guys do the pipe from intercooler - Anti shudder valve separate??
As someone who’s had this problem my 123d was running fine on a Saturday parked it up Saturday night when to go to Asda on the Sunday and it wouldn’t start
Do you want to sell it?
Cant understand why the a lot of manufacturers have gone to these single chains. The old duplex chains were much better. Mercedes done it as well and now they start making noise after not a lot of mileage.
Nothing to understand they don’t want there car to be repaired they want to sell new cars all about money
I stripped one engine out and box etc, send away for the chain to get fitted and the other bits that they fuck when they go, that was 2 grand just to get done, only had like 77 on 😶👍
My dad's 320d 08 did 160k owned from new no trimming chain replaced so it the car or the owners ? Do see it a lot but don't understand how some are fine and some arnt. Maybe it's the owners problem? Servicing not done on time or just being thrashed. Saying that a chain is a chain shouldn't matter how it's driven
My 320 N47 repair bill last year at 90k was £3:500,.. for the chain stretching and valves knocking. the basssstad 😂
3.5k? be getting scrapped.
@@darkonnis yeah i don't understand spending that much to repair a pretty boring car/engine. put it towards something more interesting
darkonnis wish I did now
Wowser. I did my chain at 100k as I got the noise and I'm glad I did now... 1k rather than 3.5. Phew.
Weird and yet BMW say there is absolutely no problems with their timing chains
Not entirely true
the actuator does that every so often key in or not 😅
To be fair this car has a first generation N47 (177PS in 20d guise) and they were the worst regarding this problem. This was the engine that all the ruckus was about, and what started the lawsuits in England. I've seen those snap as early as just below 100.000km. The design of the parts in the chaindrive and the tensioner was adjusted several times, and the later 184PS version is not as prone.
In the newer B47 engine it's been properly fixed, I haven't heard of anyone snapping a chain in those. I''ve personally measured the chain on a 520d B47 that'd done 300.000km, and that was well within spec.
Good to know!
what year did the 2nd generation N47 start?
@@a.bax.5992 2009/10 I believe can tell from the engine cover, if its fully black its 2nd gen or above, if its got some sort of white part its first gen
I believe there were parts revisions occurring right up until 2013, and at that stage the N47 was actually very well sorted.
I actually deliberately picked an n47 over the b47 in my 2014 520d deliberately for this point that at this stage the n47 had it issues addressed, whereas the b47 was brand new and would no doubt have its own set of issues to work through. I have done interim oil changes myself with a good quality full synthetic, but other then consumables my car has has nothing break or need addressing in the 10 years and 120K+ miles on it. It is even on the original battery (albeit with a bit of help from a C Tek charger to recondition once a year).
Ahahah... That engine is famous for the timing chain problem... It does it out of nowhere...
Dark side duplex upgrade conversion ? Would make a mint
Definitely!
So my e91 lci 320d n47 was 184bhp stock, and is tuned to 230bph, it's only had air mods so far, cat back exhaust and airbox mod, what's does everyone think is holding it back, as I'm debating whether to go with intercooler to reduce my charge temps as she runs hot, or go with egr delete and decat to help her breath even better that way, I'm leaning towards intercooler as she's still street legal and emissions compliant.
The turbo is the limit but the intercooler is not a bad mod
4:21 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Never seen that before. How did he get his bike so high🤣
best part of the video lmao
Hello guys, quick question
I'm looking to get a Stage 3 for my 320d N47N - CP4.2 HPFP, Darkside Intercooler and GTB2260v are already here.
My question is: do the B47 solenoid injectors (up to 2000 bars) fit in the N47N (stock are 1800 bar piezo injectors) or do I have to go with the piezo injectors of the 123d/330d n57 (up to 2000 bars).
I don't want to change the high pressure lines (i think needed if I switch to n57 piezo injectors)
Would like to get about 300h.
What do yall think, anyone tried or tested this?
Thx
Please send us an email with your VIN and we will take a look into this for you.
sales@darksidedevelopments.co.uk
Thanks
Off topic. Can you please make a straight 6 rwd audi. Please
I contacted you with this mod as my M57 tu2 330d had a chain go. I had recently put a turbo technics reconditioned turbo on.
What would a kit cost less a turbo?
I have a E82 118d and a dead E90 330d. Can the 330D brakes go on the 118?
Alan Hughes the brakes can probably be fitted yeah
The Injector upgrade you talk about. Would this be a worthwhile upgrade on a 2007 535d if they are slightly bigger as you say?
Your injectors are piezo and good for over 400hp
Any1 able to help ? Engine gone on my 318d E90.N47.. Im looking to put in a straight swap. Would a 123D N47 engine from E82 fit my E90 ? Thanks
I'd say it's possible but not one that we have done
I would still like to see this especially on a m47 as I would like to know what they can do, everyone raves about m57’s but no one does the m47. Just curious to know as I have one and blown up two engines. The tuner is known as being a bit dodgy and I’ve had nothing but problems. It’s had new turbo injectors and a front mount intercooler but he has only got 180 ish out of it. But he’s mapped it so it boosts late at about 2400 and raised the limit to 5500
We have a 2260 turbo kit for the m47 - www.darksidedevelopments.co.uk/products/darkside-developments-gtb2260-turbo-kit-for-bmw-118d-120d-318d-320d-m47-engines.html
We've not had many in though to be fair. If you're just getting a generic flash tune then they tend to not be reliable, that's why we do custom remaps to make sure the car is safe and find any problems with the car without killing it
I’ve been looking at your kit for a while now, how much do you throw at an old car before doing bodywork and paint though 😂
Meanwhile my “unreliable french car” with 150k miles on the clock still on the same clutch, turbo, water pump, dpf, list goes on. Oh and its timing chain is problem free. Well fuck me, German reliability is an oxymoron nowadays.
@ Random Girl : The N47 engine had issues, that does not mean every BMW engine has issues, so stop being a tit.
You probably drive like miss daisy.
I just sold my *M47* engined 320d m sport touring, which got thrashed every day of my ownership, and never had any issues. It was on it's original clutch and DMS, done 144,000+ miles, original turbo, original water pump, etc, oh and timing chain is problem free.
I wouldn't piss on your shit Froggy shitheap.....
Oh, and I work in the motor industry, and see shitty frogboxes daily with so many electrical & mechanical issues, which cost an absolute fortune in parts, that I would never touch one in a million years.
@@DjNikGnashers love how you changed him to random girl 😂
@@Shawn_Magara :-)
Had mine snap at 150k. I changed the oil every 8km with good oil. Pants
BTW 318d n47 the injectors are out of puff at about 200bhp rail pressure drops too much
What injector upgrade would you recommend for 318d n47? are b47 2.0d 318d (also solenoid but instead of 1600 bar on N47 they run at 2000 bar) compatible? I have fitted them without any effort in my N47 engine also 318d but local tuner shop said that they are not able to create soft because of them.
here from portugal, every bmw guy knows how bad n47 is, timing chain is the n1 mod everyone does when buying one, it costs a lot in the dealership, but thats the cost of owning a n47 xD
Old man had a black 118td and the chain broke @80k 58plate.
But every BMW has a distinctive noise
Diesel= Tracktor
Petrol= Spanners in a washing machine with a raspy exhaust.
BigMoneyWasted!!!😂
nice turbo kit
M47/m57 injectors wont fit an n47/n57. I believe you need n57n injectors which are also solinoid. As long as theyre cr2 injectors theyre solinoid. Crs2-25 (2500bar) are the most modern version of the solinoid injector from bosch i believe
0445110382 are the biggest solinoid injectors for N series engines
Yeah we have some of the 0445110382, they are not much larger than these but better if you need new and can handle more pressure
Do a video on the B47, that engine claims to have the timing chain fixed. I own one and have not had any problems with it, i have driven 95.000km and recently tuned it to stage 2 with 235hp and 462nm.
I've heard of b47 chain issues too.
@@jamie-hb8gy Hope it is not a problem on that engine platform!
Mine is running a safe 240hp and 510nm 420d
Hi You could disasamble the engine and show what happend? which chain skiped a tooth.What do you think that the problem is?
We have the engine, coming soon.
@@ryanp6138 It is really a mystery 4 a lot of people ...there are some theories out : some say weak chain, tensioners, diesel pump pulses too much and strains the chain....
We know the result (blown engine) but what is the actual cause?
Personally i have a high mileage n47d20c 320d replaced all chains at 250.000km now i am at 290.000 and still kicking
Have you done any work on the B47 engine? I wondered if that one is any better in terms of robustness.
tuned a few!
Was there not a recall on certain aged cars ? I had a late 07 118D and that had been recalled for chain and tensioner replacement
Yep my tensioner broke chains at the back of the engine so it's a total loss.
Yes. Had my 57 118d timing chain changed free of charged at bmw stealers before I sold it. Not sure if they’re doing the recall anymore though
Hi fyi I used to work in BMW work shop if work has service history. You can get chain on warranty it may but worth talking to you local bmw garage?
Its a scrapper so dont care to go down that route, cheers
"stick int' spokes" ....oh don't worry we'll show you what you're thinking. Oh that's some nasty shit, apart from that thanks for the rest of the vid.
will this fit on my f10 520d n47c ? its remapped with egr and dpf delete, but i have gotten used to it and want more powah
Most of it will!
I just watch your vids to hear that accent dude :P Oh and good content but your talks are class!
Lol, cheers
Hey mate, do you have any knowledge on the 330d timing chains, would you recommend getting it replaced and at what age/mileage? Thanks pal
M57? Ours stretched. N57, likely same issue as these
Darkside Developments cheers mate, yes it’s the m57 (2012) I’m running just a stage 1 tune so not mega power.
Please make more vídeos about this project 😄😄😄
its gone!
What was problem to power drop @ 3700rpm+?
have same problem with my 316d n47 after tuning. never resolved that problem....
Fuel supply pump ECU
How much you can push a stock 320D with stock injectors and stock turbo?
On a remap, the 163hp model will get around 195-205hp and the 184hp model will make around 215-225hp
Bad design + "long life" service intervals + DPF diluting oil
I know it’s not diesel but I had 2010 116i in years ago for an air con service and after I switched it off in the workshop it wouldn’t restart ,after scratching my head for 30 mins or so found out chain tensioner failed ,only 30k on the clock ,explaining to the customer she wasn’t driving it home that night wasn’t easy ,all BMW chain engines are dog SHIT😩
Alan Cobbin not all bmw chain engines are bad, my m44 1.9 got 117k miles still good and so many have gone over 300k miles on the same chain
great engines as long as proof its been done and/or serviced religiously, I've got the twin turbo 123d and love it to bits
😂
Same
Never heard a N47 being called a great engine before 🤣🤣.
Pity no duplex
I'm doing a 123 chain at the mo bloody shit job
N47 my first bmw 320d m sport had it for a year and only have changed oil and filters. Done about 8000 miles and recently got it remapped stage 1. Do you think it will effect the reliability?
no-one knows with those!
@@DarksideDevelopments haha. I bought lexus because i was scared from bmw but bmw drives more fun 😕 so ended up keeping the bm 😂
Dad had this problem on his 2014 X1 cost him 2.5k
my N47 has done 155k kms now, i should probably look to have the chains replaced, but that is just stupidly expensive
It's cheaper than a new engine though...
@@DarksideDevelopments but only barely, a chain replacement is around 20.000kr and a "new" used engine with around 150k and a new chain is 24.000kr
Luckily my N47 120d was written off before the timing chain snapped!! Was always concerned that it would eventually snap! Got a volvo now with a D5! way better engine!
BMW had a did a big sh*t on themselves when they designed this chain and guide system. It's a common fault, more times it scraps the engine and you're better off getting another engine in, change the chain then slap it in.
Thait bike accident scared me shitless!!!
Air filter next to exhaust is not good idea.
Yous should buy a Mini Countryman SD project car. It would be very interesting to watch.
We might try a Mini at some point!
Darkside Developments I’d be keen to observe a mini tdi under the microscope
I see your wasted a lot of R&D on bmw already. Maybe stip the engine in a vlog and see if its possible to improve the timing design? I only like the worlds best diesel Ferdinand piechs legacy the PD-tdi
PD's never die!!!
Do it again on a n47N/ T
Go double chain like the alpina d3 engine
Would be awesome to see a duplex chain conversion or something along those lines!
Any plans for M57 solenoid injectors or noozles upgrade in the future?
Beyond 535d?
@@DarksideDevelopments Yes of course. I ask you the same question in your 330d overreving engine.
535d are good for 450hp if you run them with long injection duration, I like them at 420 with slightly shorter duration. Bigger turbo is not a problem and I have 600+ hpfp but I can't run my 535d at infitite duration.
Maybe some company can hone 535d noozles to 50% over or 100% over flow.
Piezo is not an option for me.
How u will pass an MOT"?? pls explaine!!!
It's at the scrapyard!
I have a 320 d n47 with 260 hp, 612 nm, have yet to have any problems
cross your toes!
it all depends about when engine was produced...after 2011 it should be fine..I also had 118d after 150000 km no issue
What mods have you done to achieve this power? I have a remap 210hp 411nm and want like 240 and 460nm
What is with modern euro/american timing chains engine designs lasting less time than old japanese timing belt designs
Its silly really!