Rasheed Wallace's career-long beef with NBA referees was iconic

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  • čas přidán 9. 08. 2020
  • Rasheed Wallace may have been extremely difficult (and annoying) for NBA referees to officiate, yet it would be insufficient to leave it at that. Wallace overreacted sometimes and complained plenty, but he wasn't merely a whiner.
    Fair or not, Sheed detected, and sought to call out, bias among the NBA's refs. He's far from the only person to suggest that refs get emotional, play favorites, or bring ulterior motives to the court. He is, however, one of the players to make that point on the court. He made it consistently and boldly, and in a way that drew extra ire from the very refs he accused of targeting him.
    In short, this was a crusade that turned a typically-tense relationship into outright beef. While he played, it was Sheed vs. Basically Every Ref. And even in retirement, Wallace is not done fighting that battle.
    Edited by Ryan Simmons
    Written and produced by Seth Rosenthal
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  • @SecretBaseSBN
    @SecretBaseSBN  Před 3 lety +653

    In addition to this new Beef, we'll have some Secret Base updates coming soon. We're planning to switch over channel names later this month, and in the meantime we'll keep right on publishing new stuff.
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    • @footballchamp3873
      @footballchamp3873 Před 3 lety +7

      A bomb shelter?

    • @akauf2282
      @akauf2282 Před 3 lety +17

      footballchamp 3 Rasheed Wallace’s hideout to study the refs

    • @mario2montano
      @mario2montano Před 3 lety +9

      CAN YOU PLEASE DO A BEEF HISTORY OF MARCUS ALLEN VS AL DAVIS!

    • @samwert2316
      @samwert2316 Před 3 lety +8

      Can't wait man keep the awesome content coming guys!!!

    • @thechef.
      @thechef. Před 3 lety +3

      super excited

  • @ChiseledAdonis
    @ChiseledAdonis Před 3 lety +3517

    Legend has it at Sheed's funeral NBA refs will be in attendance to tech him up one last time

  • @johncampbell2845
    @johncampbell2845 Před 3 lety +4420

    Rasheed shouting "ball don't lie" is so iconic, just feels wrong when anyone else does it

  • @o7_AP
    @o7_AP Před 3 lety +725

    The most memorable quotes surrounding his career
    “Whack - get out!
    “It’s ugly ass Bill Walton!”
    “Ball don’t lie!”

    • @denistuohy2535
      @denistuohy2535 Před 3 lety +60

      What about “both teams played haaaarrrrrrrrd”

    • @BoganFromBama
      @BoganFromBama Před 3 lety +22

      @@denistuohy2535 "...God Bless and goodnight."

    • @NateMcCoy1194
      @NateMcCoy1194 Před 3 lety +5

      Ugly ass Bill Walton

    • @TheSands83
      @TheSands83 Před 3 lety +2

      He said black get out not whack... they got that wrong.. if u have ever played basketball u know they say the color of your jersey then your number on a foul call.. n if U r ejected they will say like red !! You are out! Then look at your number n say it or show it with fingers to the score keeper

    • @sayoriachiri5833
      @sayoriachiri5833 Před 3 lety +3

      "It's ugly ass Bill Walton" I found that funny because Bill Walton was actually kinda handsome

  • @taylordunekacke4418
    @taylordunekacke4418 Před 3 lety +758

    Me in 2000: Wallace is a crybaby!
    Me in 2020: Wallace was right the whole time!

    • @dbag3345
      @dbag3345 Před 3 lety +104

      You're whack for thinking that in 2000

    • @dannycomellas
      @dannycomellas Před 3 lety +87

      @@dbag3345 I thought the same thing. I didn't watch Sheed's games and barely had internet at the time, so it was easier for that narrative to be shaped. Now I still don't believe that Donaghy was/is the only ref on the take.

    • @trainwreckthomas9274
      @trainwreckthomas9274 Před 3 lety +32

      Ball don’t lie

    • @brianbutler7881
      @brianbutler7881 Před 3 lety +4

      So what does that say about boogie cousins

    • @mattrag4988
      @mattrag4988 Před 2 lety +3

      Always liked him

  • @arj5241
    @arj5241 Před 3 lety +2452

    The defining Rasheed moment is getting ejected for staring at an official

    • @pitakafoa1214
      @pitakafoa1214 Před 3 lety +146

      "Whack! Get out!" 😂😂😂 his reaction was priceless

    • @uncreative5766
      @uncreative5766 Před 3 lety +35

      I would love if the NBA would mike refs and players up again.

    • @Manny-nm8dh
      @Manny-nm8dh Před 3 lety +24

      It was in the Western Conference finals nonetheless.

    • @nicholasbova9909
      @nicholasbova9909 Před 3 lety +12

      @@pitakafoa1214 Steve Smith's reaction was even funnier

    • @StanStacks
      @StanStacks Před 3 lety +13

      BEAST MODE Joey Crawford is a terrible human being that should’ve never been allowed his reign of terror

  • @sawftmoreslump9820
    @sawftmoreslump9820 Před 3 lety +2981

    Rasheed had a point.. refs are human they have the ability to pick and choose who they pick on

    • @biglordebunnyrabbit627
      @biglordebunnyrabbit627 Před 3 lety +115

      Ball don’t lie!

    • @uniboy13
      @uniboy13 Před 3 lety +49

      Wait wait wait, refs are people?

    • @skillswiper
      @skillswiper Před 3 lety +55

      Antagonizing the refs all season hurts too

    • @Expletorygoose5
      @Expletorygoose5 Před 3 lety +69

      SkillSwiper he may have been antagonizing them but the refs are suppose to be unbiased.

    • @akaspon1
      @akaspon1 Před 3 lety +16

      @@Expletorygoose5 If you don't want bias, then hire robots...otherwise, what do you expect from human beings.

  • @agum9193
    @agum9193 Před 3 lety +188

    Refs said he was the hardest player to referee because, “he knew the rulebook better than anyone.”
    Sheed’s career is in need of real revisionist history. He was an absolute legend and an extremely smart player.

    • @maxx1mus1041
      @maxx1mus1041 Před 3 lety

      he was no legend

    • @agum9193
      @agum9193 Před 3 lety +55

      @@maxx1mus1041 watch the tape. ball dont lie.

    • @russelljohnson437
      @russelljohnson437 Před 3 měsíci

      @@maxx1mus1041your on the couch beee quiet pimp

  • @pattininja95
    @pattininja95 Před 3 lety +482

    "Rasheed implies that the league deliberately swings outcomes so the series runs a full seven games."
    Looking back I can't say he was wrong

  • @uncreative5766
    @uncreative5766 Před 3 lety +2288

    Sheed has a point. Refs are ridiculous and almost trigger happy to call techs. Tim Duncan getting ejected by Joey Crawford for laughing at a joke a teammate said comes to mind instantly.

    • @mrmacross
      @mrmacross Před 3 lety +102

      Don't think he was laughing at a teammate's joke. I think he was laughing at the repeated bad calls Joey Crawford was making, and after Crawford challenged Tim Duncan to a fight.

    • @gmwdim
      @gmwdim Před 3 lety +110

      Or Reggie Evans for high-fiving his teammate Blake Griffin.

    • @veerchasm1
      @veerchasm1 Před 3 lety +5

      Timmy rules!

    • @Vudoo13
      @Vudoo13 Před 3 lety +19

      And now, we are in the era of flopping.

    • @MariaAlvarez-ew4rv
      @MariaAlvarez-ew4rv Před 3 lety +24

      Or how about the time Joey Crawford ran over a Miami Heat player who was ready to take a 3-point shot in the closing seconds of a 1 point game Game 7 of the 2005 Eastern Conference Finals between the Miami Heat and Detroit Pistons and called the foul against Chauncey Billips (please tell me if I’m wrong cause I remember watching a clip of it but I don’t remember when it happened, if the player Crawford ran over was on the Heat, if the in the closing seconds of a 1 point game, if the player was ready to take a shot, and if the shot was a 3 pointer)

  • @wilbert3842
    @wilbert3842 Před 3 lety +2129

    Nothing says “there’s not a scandal” like trying to cover it up and blocking the books release

    • @wojak-sensei6424
      @wojak-sensei6424 Před 3 lety +77

      At that point they're making Sheed up to be like Alex Jones. If I'm getting that level of bias, I'd punch a zebra so hard he'll forget who's team he's betting for. Props for him for staying "classy."

    • @djbrodymusic
      @djbrodymusic Před 3 lety +56

      @@wojak-sensei6424 "I'd punch a zebra so hard he'll forget who's team he's betting for" what in the hell?

    • @wojak-sensei6424
      @wojak-sensei6424 Před 3 lety +17

      @@djbrodymusic As in the refs. Forget I said anything.

    • @skelly8185
      @skelly8185 Před 3 lety +5

      that.. and you don't want to give a cheater another opportunity to get rich..

    • @therealmelvin6352
      @therealmelvin6352 Před 3 lety +14

      Can't be defamation if it's the truth

  • @ValensBellator
    @ValensBellator Před 2 lety +78

    “Ball don’t lie” is easily one of the greatest lines from basketball 😂

  • @msteresa653
    @msteresa653 Před 3 lety +82

    "all of them cats are felonious, man"

  • @TenThumbsProductions
    @TenThumbsProductions Před 3 lety +3050

    You can't throw out the best player on a team deep in the playoffs because he is looking at you. Refs who make themselves bigger than the game don’t deserve a job.

    • @palaceofwisdom9448
      @palaceofwisdom9448 Před 3 lety +331

      It's just more Lakers favoritism, same as what happened to the Kings in '02. The league even changed the damn playoff format mid-season to the first round being best of 7 when it looked like they were in trouble (even Charles Barkley called it "The Laker Rule").

    • @AirKangLocker
      @AirKangLocker Před 3 lety +137

      Tim Duncan silently likes this comment

    • @jerryboy0422
      @jerryboy0422 Před 3 lety +4

      Lol I was like “wait I know that user name..” Im a subscriber of your channel and enjoy the content! Funny to see we have other common interests haha

    • @TenThumbsProductions
      @TenThumbsProductions Před 3 lety +8

      DreamArena thanks for the sub! I love beef history and I grew up in Michigan. Detroit vs Everybody.

    • @heeroheero8844
      @heeroheero8844 Před 3 lety +12

      Sheed should have kept it together, his lack of discipline and his outburst hurt his team lmao

  • @FreeFoodforthePoor
    @FreeFoodforthePoor Před 3 lety +1004

    The only beef the NBA refs had with Sheed dealt with when he ruined the point spread on the games they were betting on.

  • @KTF0
    @KTF0 Před 3 lety +227

    Many refs were intimidated Sheed because he had a reputation of knowing practically every rule in the rulebook. I can easily imagine a ref getting a hurt ego, especially if theres a player that knows more than you.

    • @jasondyrkacz8270
      @jasondyrkacz8270 Před 3 lety +6

      The MLB equivalent would probably be AJ Pierzynski.

    • @matthewthompson9632
      @matthewthompson9632 Před 8 měsíci +3

      That’s just insane that shows real passion right there not to just be a good player but to know all the rules of the game and make sure your team never gets cheated on bad calls

  • @ericmarks7648
    @ericmarks7648 Před rokem +30

    Sheed was a true beauty. Lost in all his wizardry at the T was how insanely skilled he was.

    • @bbryant9455
      @bbryant9455 Před rokem +2

      Seriously though. A bit ahead of his time imo. 💯

  • @biglordebunnyrabbit627
    @biglordebunnyrabbit627 Před 3 lety +1086

    If I don’t hear : “Enter Tim Donaghy”, one time in this vid.Someone is getting a Tech

  • @lillaxeddysgamingchannel8737

    41 Technical fouls in the 2000-2001 NBA season, 317 Technical fouls in his NBA career

    • @GregoryFord98
      @GregoryFord98 Před 3 lety +65

      Most unbreakable record

    • @beramtaib4713
      @beramtaib4713 Před 3 lety +16

      Legend

    • @macdreezy5410
      @macdreezy5410 Před 3 lety +20

      Those are Barry Bonds numbers, I believe to be unbreakable

    • @meharinationsportspodcast2582
      @meharinationsportspodcast2582 Před 3 lety +40

      You won't believe this, but Wallace is not the career leader of technical fouls. That belongs to Karl Malone with 332 technical fouls. Malone was a player who got his calls, but always complained frequently on referees.

    • @macdreezy5410
      @macdreezy5410 Před 3 lety +1

      @@meharinationsportspodcast2582 Say wha???

  • @_Maxten
    @_Maxten Před 3 lety +37

    sheed: yall just love to single me out bc of favoritism
    refs: u buggin
    refs while facing charges: ok u right

  • @ShevStaxBeats
    @ShevStaxBeats Před 3 lety +76

    He was right about a lot of what he said. The league is about making money so ratings come first

    • @Jake-zu2hl
      @Jake-zu2hl Před 2 lety

      If the league was ever proven rigged they would lose billions of dollars. It’s stupid of them to risk that. It’s stupid to think they would risk that.

  • @ask5118
    @ask5118 Před 3 lety +445

    This guy was right to call out everything officials did to him. Screw the NBA

    • @cdf360
      @cdf360 Před 3 lety +50

      cpk1994 oh please, the NBA were rigging games left and right throughout the 2000s. You’re a clown if you don’t believe they were. It’s so transparent. Sheed was right, and stern was wrong, and that’s all there is to it.

    • @nickc247
      @nickc247 Před 3 lety +3

      @cpk1994 Yup, a straight whiner.

    • @cdf360
      @cdf360 Před 3 lety +33

      cpk1994 He fought the referees out of principle. You really think Tim Donaghy was an isolated incident of referee corruption? Get real

    • @mattla6454
      @mattla6454 Před 3 lety

      @cpk1994 Wow i luv it how u reproduce the ideology u get told, so you never start thinkink critical...just keep growin up to live the damn boring live the old boys expect you to....
      ...maybe thats why Jesus wanted us to become like childs againn??(:

    • @NotaPizzaGRL
      @NotaPizzaGRL Před 3 lety

      @@mattla6454 cpk1994 eats from the trashcan of ideology

  • @GerritCoulter
    @GerritCoulter Před 3 lety +105

    Basketball is the easiest game in the world for referees to fix. You can add 10, 15, or even 20 points on to one team's score just by calling more fouls.

  • @PatrickMHoey
    @PatrickMHoey Před 3 lety +75

    Wallace was the most “Detroit” player in the league-and he brought the Pistons’ Bad Boy image back. Dude was a monster! 💪🏻

    • @Dollaz2Donuts
      @Dollaz2Donuts Před 3 lety +9

      Him and Ben Wallace were the Laimbeer/Mahorn of their day. Miss those teams.....

  • @macdreezy5410
    @macdreezy5410 Před 3 lety +42

    Fact: Dusty Rhodes was a booker for the NBA

  • @wzac1234
    @wzac1234 Před 3 lety +1222

    You guys gotta do a beef history between the browns and winning

  • @MrPlow-jc4cr
    @MrPlow-jc4cr Před 3 lety +346

    The David Stern officiating era was...interesting, to say the least

    • @AirKangLocker
      @AirKangLocker Před 3 lety +66

      The hacksawed rigged era

    • @J.A.Z-TheMortal
      @J.A.Z-TheMortal Před 3 lety +54

      Super rigged era. LAL should have won only 2 out of the 5 titles they won on that era.

    • @aztronomy7457
      @aztronomy7457 Před 3 lety +30

      Just watched the mavs/blazers game and I can confirm the officiating is still "interesting "

    • @kennyhill9238
      @kennyhill9238 Před 3 lety +10

      Miami in 2006 and in 2012 also Game 7 2010

    • @kevkerbster
      @kevkerbster Před 3 lety +2

      Rigged

  • @stkrd1467
    @stkrd1467 Před 3 lety +21

    Sheed's not wrong, look at Wade's free throw attempts compared to the entire Mavs team in 06 Finals

  • @alittletooloose3087
    @alittletooloose3087 Před 3 lety +26

    We still love sheed in portland, what a legend, he's absolutely right about the NBA, anyone who watches a small market team can see it.

    • @Bigedub101
      @Bigedub101 Před rokem

      Exactly...As a Hornets and Bulls fan....We all see it...

    • @Cooe.
      @Cooe. Před 5 měsíci

      ​@@Bigedub101... 🤦 Except Chicago's not a small market lol.

  • @blovelady1
    @blovelady1 Před 3 lety +76

    Have an acquaintance who is an NBA ref.. he told me the problem with Sheed was, when you go back to the tape he was almost always right. Crazy high basketball IQ

    • @jaredpatterson1701
      @jaredpatterson1701 Před 3 lety +5

      Especially on those Pistons teams

    • @Funktaro5
      @Funktaro5 Před 2 lety +12

      He was also a bit ahead of his time as a stretch 4, providing spacing that the Pistons desperately needed when Ben Wallace was on the court. People back then complained about him spending so much time on the 3-point line when he could take it inside and score there, but his ability to stretch the floor was vital to the Pistons offense.
      Nowadays it's considered almost vital that a 4 can shoot from range (doubly so if your center can't). Back then, not so much.

    • @Bigedub101
      @Bigedub101 Před rokem

      I believe it but u can't go back on your word cause they then feel inferior

  • @footballchamp3873
    @footballchamp3873 Před 3 lety +192

    Answer this: Who doesn't have beef with certain referees

    • @im_waffles2920
      @im_waffles2920 Před 3 lety +8

      Kawhi?

    • @mcray0309
      @mcray0309 Před 3 lety

      You

    • @Sizdothyx
      @Sizdothyx Před 3 lety +17

      I'm not biased. I hate all NBA referees. Can't name one game where they didn't have two big-time screw-ups/no-calls in the last 8 years of basketball.

    • @Trey-Jae
      @Trey-Jae Před 3 lety +5

      Mike Conley

    • @ikefromsmashbros9237
      @ikefromsmashbros9237 Před 3 lety +1

      [Insert player who gets infinite free passes here]

  • @ZackZ-mg9uq
    @ZackZ-mg9uq Před rokem +13

    He was the missing piece that brought the Pistons the Ring in 04 and I'll never forget it. 1 of the best starting 5 lineups in History

    • @Adri_Unsung
      @Adri_Unsung Před 7 měsíci

      Best Five Alive ❤️❤️❤️

  • @MrRockmusicjunkie
    @MrRockmusicjunkie Před 3 lety +25

    I remember as a kid watching Pistons games and every time the whistle blew you just knew he was about to argue

  • @shukthapa8607
    @shukthapa8607 Před 3 lety +207

    “BALL DONT LIE”

  • @dontmindme5879
    @dontmindme5879 Před 3 lety +130

    Damn so now we ABSOLUTELY need Tim Duncan vs Joey Crawford

    • @palaceofwisdom9448
      @palaceofwisdom9448 Před 3 lety +37

      That remains the most ridiculous public act by an official in the history of sports. I saw that when it happened and nearly fell out of my chair. Of all people, a ref challenged the most mild mannered player in the league to a fight.

    • @nathaniellevesque2782
      @nathaniellevesque2782 Před 3 lety +21

      YOU DARE LAUGH?!?!?!?!?
      In all seriousness, imagine if I were to tell you the one person ejected for laughing on the bench and later challenged to a fight by a referee for it was Tim Duncan. Literally the last person on earth to be considered a ref-baiter.

    • @chulyeom2366
      @chulyeom2366 Před 3 lety +8

      Nothing says “there’s not a scandal” like trying to cover it up and blocking the books release

    • @jasondyrkacz8270
      @jasondyrkacz8270 Před 3 lety

      @@palaceofwisdom9448 Tony Parker's reaction was my reaction.

    • @cantstopbeeboo2055
      @cantstopbeeboo2055 Před 3 lety +1

      I don't wanna argue NOBODY........but Tim Duncan deserves whatever bad he gets. Everybody on the planet that watches the NBA and studies the officials "KNOWS", 2005 was Rasheed's 2nd ring in a row with the Pistons. Buttttttt if you were old enough to see the games "Live and kept up with the media" = They screwed Rasheed over, really bad...and the *darling of the NBA at the time was Timothy* - That's why he got a free ring and *he knew* he didn't deserve it, at all.
      *If you have 0 clue, upon what I'm talking about....don't say nothing....if you know what I'm talking about....then please feel free to add on* (awaiting the insults and arguments for stating FACTS)

  • @adamkelly4252
    @adamkelly4252 Před 3 lety +21

    Rasheed was a true talent. He was tall, athletic, and a versatile shooter. He could play in the post and drop it from the perimeter. He was a pure passer and a team oriented player. The guy was always looking to help his teammates play at a higher level, and I loved watching him play. I'm a Lakers fan, but it really pissed me off when Wallace was tossed in game 1 of the 2000 playoffs....

  • @nathanonwuka7928
    @nathanonwuka7928 Před 3 lety +15

    Current relationship between refs and players:
    Ref: Go to the office
    Player: what did I do!

  • @gansmith
    @gansmith Před 3 lety +34

    Wallace was a 80's tough defender playing in a much softer defensive league. I miss him.

  • @SuperSaiyanGuyver
    @SuperSaiyanGuyver Před 3 lety +82

    Ever see "Forget Paris" where Billy Crystal loses his mind and ejects everybody? That's Sheed's entire career.

    • @keithharper1470
      @keithharper1470 Před 3 lety +14

      KAJ: "You can't eject me this is my farewell game"
      BC: "Let me be the first to say farewell"

    • @SuperSaiyanGuyver
      @SuperSaiyanGuyver Před 3 lety +2

      @Arizona Fire Ent And Kareem's parents!

  • @ABock4
    @ABock4 Před 3 lety +7

    I knew that Rasheed made saying “ball don’t lie!” famous, but I didn’t realize he was the first one to do it. You learn something new everyday. Gotta love Sheed!

  • @venod3134
    @venod3134 Před 3 lety +77

    Sheed is right and always has been. Big business is corrupt, it's just a thing even in sports.

  • @loganmoreau7569
    @loganmoreau7569 Před 3 lety +123

    Let’s be honest, he’s not alone, everyone has beef with the refs

    • @AEMoreira81
      @AEMoreira81 Před 3 lety +7

      True, but how many have 317 career techs? His 41 in one season (2000-2001) may never be broken, because these days, one gets suspended after the 16th tech in a season.

    • @jeanmacalino8143
      @jeanmacalino8143 Před 3 lety +3

      @@AEMoreira81 yeah. so stay in yo lane, logan. keep watching that football thing sport.

    • @loganmoreau7569
      @loganmoreau7569 Před 3 lety +3

      daigul trust me, players vs refs in football ain’t much better, it’s arguably worse

    • @keithharper1470
      @keithharper1470 Před 3 lety +13

      Everyone on Donaghy's list has had problems with refs for their entire carrer that's why I will never believe he's the only one to fix games just the only one to get caught

    • @RafsanS15
      @RafsanS15 Před 3 lety +2

      @@AEMoreira81 Chuck and Karl Malone 329 and 332 techs

  • @_Yosho_
    @_Yosho_ Před 3 lety +44

    Rasheed: *passes to a teammate*
    Refs: Foul, you threw it at him.

  • @cantstopbeeboo2055
    @cantstopbeeboo2055 Před 3 lety +14

    You also didn't mention that in 2005, Rasheed was so hated by the Refs = He had to enter the game in the 2nd Half in Post Season Games. Meaning, the coach at the time thought it would've been in Rasheed's best interest to NOT play the 1st Half or he may have fouled out/or tossed.

  • @ZGryphon
    @ZGryphon Před 3 lety +6

    "Whack! Get out!" is right up there with "Number 99 of the defense, he's giving him the business down there" for supremely technical (as it were) referee explanations.

  • @torachan23
    @torachan23 Před 3 lety +232

    I think it’s insane that you get fined for criticizing the work of an integral figure of the game.
    Imagine getting fined for criticizing a chef for overcooking your food.

    • @simpleanswer8954
      @simpleanswer8954 Před 3 lety +46

      That aint even close to the same. The fans can criticize the refs as much as they want. They're the ones paying for tickets and merch. They're the ones that are the 'customer'. Wallace is an employee. A waiter that criticizes the chef would get in trouble. The customer doesn't. You just need to realize the players aren't the customers - they're employees.

    • @don_5283
      @don_5283 Před 3 lety +36

      @@simpleanswer8954 Perhaps... But to me this looks a lot more like middle management screwed something up, and an employee tells the customer that it was middle management's screw-up, and then middle management spends the rest of that employee's career jacking with his schedule, playing chickenshit games with him, writing him up for tiny technicalities, taking any excuse to lean on him... With upper management's tacit approval.
      Both the league's and the referees' reluctance to directly confront the empirical evidence of undeniable biases which jeopardize the integrity of the game is a terrible look. I really don't care about Rasheed Wallace, and certainly there are ways he undermined his own standing that were just unnecessary, but that doesn't in any way soften the fact that the league and the officials have consistently been out of line, and seem reluctant to do anything meaningful to address those problems.

    • @simpleanswer8954
      @simpleanswer8954 Před 3 lety +3

      @@don_5283 That sounds about right to me. I was just saying you have to adapt it to see this as an employee being punished for complaining about another employee to the customers.

    • @NeverMakingVideos
      @NeverMakingVideos Před rokem

      This is why I like rugby's approach. Refs are held to a high standard, can have any judgement checked instantly on cameras, wear a mic and bodycam (so the crowd hears them talk with players) and are expected to explain any "controversial" reasoning on the spot if a captain asks. On the other hand, a ref's judgements are final. Players can and do get heavily penalised for disrespecting both officials and players, or a warning if it's not too serious. Just as players get penalised for bad conduct, so do referees - with severe fines if they are thought to be influencing outcomes.
      As a result, I can't think of any other sport with a similar level of respect that is shown to officials, let alone opposing teams. Nigel Owens was nominated for UK sports personality of the year several times as a referee, might have even won it. One of the most dangerous contact sports you can play, and you can be sent off the pitch for bad behaviour. Such a beautiful contrast

  • @bab4380
    @bab4380 Před 3 lety +178

    Man we need more guys like Sheed right now in the league.

    • @tylito4764
      @tylito4764 Před 3 lety +7

      Draymond.. but everyone wants to hate em, careful what you ask for

    • @specialwhenlit8435
      @specialwhenlit8435 Před 3 lety +34

      @Ty Lito
      Except Dray is exactly the kind of player Sheed was constantly pointing out: Hyper aggressive dude on a marquee team getting away with murder

    • @thejmc4074
      @thejmc4074 Před 3 lety +3

      We need a lot of players from the day in the shitty league now.

    • @gregb7337
      @gregb7337 Před 3 lety +5

      SpecialWhenLit but draymond isn’t on sheeds level of talent that’s the difference

    • @itsallenwow
      @itsallenwow Před 3 lety +1

      Getting away with murder? Calm down if you think draymond is anywhere near the level of Wallace I don’t think you’ve been watching closely either team

  • @mrmacross
    @mrmacross Před 3 lety +17

    When it comes to NBA player and ref interactions, there are two big factors:
    1) Players are so empowered/entitled they complain about everything. Bad calls are frustrating, but concentrate on playing the game and let it go. Complaining isn't going to change the call.
    2) Refs can be so insecure and drunk with power. If you treat the players like children, don't be surprised if they respond to you like children. The NBA is right to back the refs, but because the NBA is going to back the refs, some of them think they can instigate or escalate tension with players.

    • @satua13
      @satua13 Před 3 lety +2

      this, so much of this, both parties need to take their responsibility to the game more seriously. Best compliment a ref can receive is "Wait you reffed that game, I didn't even notice you" and a player's should be "Gee you were good", not "Gee you gave the ref what he deserved didn't you? Shame you only got to play 10 minutes and we lost"

    • @HAL-lz7jj
      @HAL-lz7jj Před rokem

      When it comes to NBA player/ref interaction the player has absolutely no power. And with few well placed / not called foul (or even travel or any call} in right moment you turn the tide of entire game and potentially series. It was and will forver be fixed.

  • @1TotalJabroni
    @1TotalJabroni Před 3 lety +21

    "Ball don't lie!"
    -Sheed

  • @torachan23
    @torachan23 Před 3 lety +30

    There should be an end season award for most technical fouls named after Rasheed Wallace

    • @5at5una
      @5at5una Před 3 lety +1

      like shaqtin a fool?
      well thats not an award to be proud of

  • @BattlePants321
    @BattlePants321 Před 3 lety +11

    Great video on the origin of the famous basketball phrase "The basketball will not go in the hoop if it knows the ref misused their whistle"

  • @giovannoyan3568
    @giovannoyan3568 Před 3 lety +8

    Respect to that man, the NBA sometimes really does have those disgusting biased calls that they trynna make everyone forget

  • @clydeellis6569
    @clydeellis6569 Před 3 lety

    another amazing video! Thanks for making 2020 somewhat enjoyable

  • @TheVampyroteuthis
    @TheVampyroteuthis Před 3 lety +40

    You could sense the tension between sheed and the refs just from watching on tv

    • @trent_k
      @trent_k Před 3 lety +13

      karedeko I can’t believe how mentally vulnerable some NBA refs are. “I told him 3 times to stop staring at me” I’d much rather have a player staring at me than talking trash or getting all up in my face, that ref needs to get over himself

    • @kenb.1096
      @kenb.1096 Před 3 lety +3

      Trent Koberna it’s about establishing some groundrules. If I were a ref I wouldn’t let a player try to intimidate me

    • @trent_k
      @trent_k Před 3 lety +1

      @@kenb.1096 So you are so weak that someone staring at you will intimidate you into changing how you ref a game? If a player stared at me I would ignore it and keep doing my job because they are not threatening me in any way.

  • @bolbolsburner6505
    @bolbolsburner6505 Před 3 lety +29

    These videos make my day they make me so hyped when they come out. Thank you

  • @tubingforever
    @tubingforever Před 3 lety

    I've never watched basketball but you're videos have me hooked!

  • @the010og
    @the010og Před 3 lety

    I thought about this video like 4 days ago. Thank you so much for making it guys. I don't like getting mushy, but frfr it means a lot lol

  • @Augfordpdoggie
    @Augfordpdoggie Před 3 lety +21

    this is just like society. people want you to be blindly obedient, if you're not, if you stand up for what you believe in, they call you a trouble maker

  • @contato424
    @contato424 Před 3 lety +52

    Rasheed Wallace: breathes
    Referee: Technical foul! Unsportsmanlike conduct!

  • @uriahbrandon6917
    @uriahbrandon6917 Před 3 lety

    I suggested this 2 years ago.... glad to see yall actually read comments!

  • @akachiazubuike1109
    @akachiazubuike1109 Před 5 měsíci

    The tone, the music.... well done guys. Works of art.

  • @jasoncarpenter4129
    @jasoncarpenter4129 Před 3 lety +82

    4:54 same thing happened to me. Away game went for a layup just to get body checked to the floor. I was walking back to play defense because a dead ball happened staring in disbelief when this old ass ref tossed me for "intimidating him" the ref was 6 foot 5 and I was 5 foot 9 at best.

    • @contato424
      @contato424 Před 3 lety +5

      @Jason Carpenter that’s nuts! I’ve had similar things happen too, the refs when I was in like middle school were all old dudes who had nothing else to do.

    • @troke3207
      @troke3207 Před 3 lety +5

      oof

    • @tmstudios2713
      @tmstudios2713 Před 3 lety +1

      Got called for a foul by barely grazing this dude’s leg with my pinky 🤦🏽‍♂️

    • @contato424
      @contato424 Před 3 lety +1

      @TM Studios wow lol.

    • @alex31794
      @alex31794 Před 3 lety +1

      got punched while playing defense and had the foul called on me

  • @akauf2282
    @akauf2282 Před 3 lety +36

    Rasheed has a Secret Base to beef against them

  • @julianbell9161
    @julianbell9161 Před 3 lety +4

    Gotta say, “Whack! Get out!” was not the call I was expecting

  • @March_for_Aries
    @March_for_Aries Před 3 lety +5

    Kinda sad we didn't get to see "Both teams played hard", Iconic moment from Rasheed.

  • @datguitarplayer1656
    @datguitarplayer1656 Před 3 lety +33

    I believe Rasheed and I think that it's pretty obvious the further from his career we get the more and more his statements are proven right- the more he is vindicated.

  • @jihod1
    @jihod1 Před 3 lety +7

    He was part one of three series that I know for a fact was fixed, 2000 Western conference finals and the 2020 Western Conference Finals. Whenever Kobe and Shaq ran up against better teams the refs bailed them out, it was real shameful to watch. Shaq should have 1 ring because in 2006 they did it again with the Mavs /Heat when the refs made Dwade into MJ junior.

  • @pearleycunningham
    @pearleycunningham Před 3 lety +2

    This is the beef history I’ve been waiting for

  • @sawftmoreslump9820
    @sawftmoreslump9820 Před 3 lety +31

    " whack- get out!"

    • @TheSands83
      @TheSands83 Před 3 lety +1

      It’s black get out not whack .... that makes zero sense

    • @beelzedog
      @beelzedog Před 3 lety

      mansonlamps I know it’s six days after but you’re definitely right lol

  • @paligula.
    @paligula. Před 3 lety +64

    hes the perfect power forward for todays nba

    • @palaceofwisdom9448
      @palaceofwisdom9448 Před 3 lety +30

      He used to get criticized for taking 3's rather than posting up more, maybe he was just ahead of his time.

    • @trainwreckthomas9274
      @trainwreckthomas9274 Před 3 lety +1

      @@palaceofwisdom9448 agreed💯

  • @MrSonofabitch00
    @MrSonofabitch00 Před 2 lety +1

    "A lot of them cats are felonious" is one of the best quotes in history

  • @benestrada5589
    @benestrada5589 Před 3 lety +107

    The NBA is rigged, Sheed was right, they put the teams in the finals that will pull the most ratings. Never forget the 2002 Western Conference Finals.

    • @BBTHEBEAST
      @BBTHEBEAST Před 3 lety +6

      Cause the NBA wanted to see orlando/la instead of Cleveland/LA. Y’all sound dumb

    • @joshuaharris5032
      @joshuaharris5032 Před 3 lety +2

      Scoe3x that series is an exception and after the tim donaghy era. NBA officiating in the early 90s and 00s was rigged asf there’s no denying that.

    • @J.A.Z-TheMortal
      @J.A.Z-TheMortal Před 3 lety +19

      @@BBTHEBEAST Those are exceptions. Those are series so lopsided that refs and the league could not affect the outcome. Series like 2003 LAL vs Spurs. 2004 LAL vs Detroit, 2009 Orlando vs Cleveland, 2011 LAL vs Mavs. All series in which Stern's favorite team lost, by landslides. Now compare that to all the close series that happen to have the bigger market team winning games by 1 or 2 points or possessions. In fact, this very video reminded me that Portland also had a huge disparity in free throws on game 7 of the western conference finals. Not a coincidence that most close games where won by the team that is most popular and generates more revenue. When the underdog won, they had to win by a landslide, to not give Stern, Donagy and the rest of th refs a chance.

    • @lucashadiningtyas9699
      @lucashadiningtyas9699 Před 3 lety +2

      dont forget 2006 Heat v Mavs

    • @benestrada5589
      @benestrada5589 Před 3 lety

      @@lucashadiningtyas9699 you right

  • @Encyclopedia_Brown97
    @Encyclopedia_Brown97 Před 3 lety +8

    Love seeing a basketball video in my feed, bc I know it means I’ll either be hearing Seth or Clara

  • @marymba3859
    @marymba3859 Před 3 lety +8

    I Feel Like We All Wait To Long For
    Rasheed’s Episode:

  • @CzarsSalad
    @CzarsSalad Před 3 lety +40

    The Lakers 3-peat in the early 2000's was helped primarily by the refs

    • @samisami9114
      @samisami9114 Před 3 lety +5

      which makes kobe and shaq look even worse

    • @samisami9114
      @samisami9114 Před 3 lety +2

      Negronigggablackman it’s does because then they both would have 2 less rings

    • @TheSands83
      @TheSands83 Před 3 lety

      Yep it was blatant.. like 2010 and the heat run with lebron no wade in 2012 n 2013 and heat in 2006

    • @atlien1988
      @atlien1988 Před 3 lety +2

      You can't say primarily because that would mean that the main reason for their success were due to referee interference. The refs definitely had their hands on the 2002 WCF.

    • @andrewmartinez9992
      @andrewmartinez9992 Před 3 lety +1

      Refs always favor the lakers even today

  • @horvaton
    @horvaton Před 3 lety +1

    Them Blazers' font was used as the theme for this...Brilliant!

  • @AlveinFencer
    @AlveinFencer Před 3 lety +18

    "He went to the bench feeling heated, down from his post up high.
    Over the boos of the crowd and the whistles, they all heard his famous cry:
    You can get two shots when a soft knight flops, but a ball will never lie.
    Poor Sheed can plead, while the refs play deaf, that a ball will never lie~."

  • @palaceofwisdom9448
    @palaceofwisdom9448 Před 3 lety +7

    The most infamous one for me was a game where Sheed was walking off the court at halftime and a ref blatantly baited him into saying something and immediately ejected him.

  • @outlawrip-offartist4161
    @outlawrip-offartist4161 Před 3 lety +6

    As a Lakers fan, thank you referees you guys are the most honourable people in the world.

  • @jerryjanik480
    @jerryjanik480 Před 2 lety +3

    As a Pistons fan Rasheed Wallace was one of my favorite players of all time besides Dennis Rodman but from those teams that won the championship Eastern Conference Finals in the NBA Championship Rashid Wallace Ben Wallace I love those guys two Hall of Famers in great defensive players

  • @mckoolaid1567
    @mckoolaid1567 Před 3 lety +39

    Off topic but 2k should add bad all time teams like the 7-59 Bobcats

  • @bizzles44
    @bizzles44 Před 3 lety +7

    My favorite Rasheed Wallace moment is when he got thrown out for just glaring at a ref 😂

  • @paulevans6066
    @paulevans6066 Před rokem +9

    Sheed is the type teammate I want lol

    • @jdapaul1351
      @jdapaul1351 Před rokem

      Pretty much "love 'em if they're on your team, hate 'em if they're the opponent"

  • @peterboylan8560
    @peterboylan8560 Před 3 lety

    That's amazing, this video was great and then I found out this guy coined one of my favourite phrases ever. Brilliant stuff

  • @LoganNagol
    @LoganNagol Před rokem +4

    4:04 damn that was cool ngl

  • @hunterking6033
    @hunterking6033 Před 3 lety +3

    Stare downs are absolutely an intimidation tactic. Why the hell do you think guys stare each other down after dunking, blocking shots, big hits, TD catches, Home Runs? It’s an intimidation tactic.

    • @-HughJass-
      @-HughJass- Před 3 lety +1

      Its what people do before they start throwing punches. Really dumb narrative in this video. You can tell this clown has never been in a fight in his life.

  • @lucasmelee
    @lucasmelee Před 3 lety

    cant believe you guys actually did it! bless

  • @sleepful1917
    @sleepful1917 Před 2 lety

    i listen to this basketball podcast called pod dont lie and now the name makes sense lmao, i love it

  • @garyfield3270
    @garyfield3270 Před 3 lety +24

    The NBA needs to better control the officials. This is still an issue today

  • @trippintripathi
    @trippintripathi Před 3 lety +6

    "I need violence, Rasheed Wallace, I'm okay with a Tech/ TEC"

  • @crimsoncola
    @crimsoncola Před 3 lety

    Wow I had no idea! Great video my dude. 🤘🏻🤘🏻

  • @mikecookboxing
    @mikecookboxing Před 3 lety

    Roy Jones vs Antonio Tarver or Bernard Hopkins beef history please! Love this channel & beef history!

  • @markjones952
    @markjones952 Před 3 lety +25

    Basketball is my favorite sport. I like the way they dribble up and down the court.

    • @YaowBucketHEAD
      @YaowBucketHEAD Před 3 lety +9

      Sigh....
      *SOMETHING SOMETHING MOSES MALONE.*

  • @lucashadiningtyas9699
    @lucashadiningtyas9699 Před 3 lety +5

    2002 WCF Kings v Lakers and 2006 Finals Heat v Mavs, enough said.

  • @mahmoodal-imam2892
    @mahmoodal-imam2892 Před 2 lety

    Thanks for the interesting subject. It really open the eyes on an important aspect of NBA referees.

  • @Swoosh_015
    @Swoosh_015 Před 3 lety +3

    I like the way you said it immediately embedded it’s way into basketball culture. I thought “ball don’t lie” was in Naismiths original handwritten rules. Considering it works and all.

  • @ericsilver9401
    @ericsilver9401 Před 3 lety +17

    Someone should do "the creation of SB nation deserves a deep rewind"

  • @BenDover-kq7rl
    @BenDover-kq7rl Před 3 lety +3

    You have to admire he never lost his passion and competitiveness even if it was detrimental to career. I admire players who play with thatv level of intensity and will

  • @j-mohunter5670
    @j-mohunter5670 Před 2 lety +2

    I was so stoked when he came to the Celtics even tho his best days were behind him by then. What a special player. He had a great interview w Bomani Jones on his Right Time podcast, it's from a few years ago but it just aired not too long ago, highly recommend

  • @nbapbaupdate8338
    @nbapbaupdate8338 Před 2 lety +1

    Still watching 💪💪💪 March 3, 2022