Kevin Love’s beef with Kelly Olynyk wrecked one guy’s shoulder and the others’ reputation
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- čas přidán 2. 10. 2023
- You can't blame Kevin Love for beefing with Kelly Olynyk. In a tie-up with Olynyk his shoulder was forcibly removed from its socket. You can't blame Love for anything he said at that moment. Love could have said he was better than Michael Jordan and we would have been like "I know sweetie, just try to calm down."
But that's not what he said. Instead, probably less than an hour after the injury, Love said Olynyk hurt him on purpose. And nobody blamed Love for being so blunt or aggressive or accusatory. In fact, everyone believed him. And never ever doubted him. Much to Olynyk's disappointment.
Enjoy your beef.
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Draymond calling someone a dirty player is rich.
Facts
i like how this is presented as "+1 credibility"
Compared to the 80s era, these dirty players don't measure up to the likes of Laimbeer.
@@lk5388no defense all clotheslines
Haha I Kno right..pot calling the kettle black huh..can't do anything but laugh at that could not even take it seriously..and compared to other eras it's child's play doesn't even compare
Lines like "Even a known groin kicker condemned Kelly Olynyk" are just some of the reasons why I love this channel, this show, and Clara in particular.
Clara's best episodes are Beef Histories imo
She's so robotic. Hate her episodes
@@Truthisscarierthanfictionand some of beef history's best episodes are Clara's lol
@@Truthisscarierthanfictionher rewinds are just as great imo
Deez Nuts Dray
Kevin Love physical and tactical transformation is one of the most mind blowing things I have ever seen in the NBA. I remember him in the 2010 world cup at the beginning of his career and he was known as a gritty, "ugly" offensive rebounder who worked down low and did a lot of dirty work and never shot any 3. I even remember an interview he gave to a local magazine (I'm from Italy) where he said that he would never be a finesse player shooting threes, he would always be a hard nosed battler and power player in the paint. And then after a few years he changed completely, he became a stretch 4, much leaner, who didn't rely on power but on touch to score down low and from the outside.
Him and Brook Lopez should be studied by every bigman
Really crazy transformations from those two. It felt funny to learn that Kevin Love isn’t even that tall, especially, when he was being a bully for the boards in Minnesota.
He evolved with the game the days of tough 4s are over bigs that can shoot and stretch the floor is what teams value he made the change so he can keep a job in the nba if he didn’t he wouldn’t be in the nba today
@@mr.regal7g633him being remastered at 6’8” makes his rebounding #s even crazier. Might be the best offense rebounder since rodman
@@mr.regal7g633Not true Joker plays inside out and he's number one.
Kevin Love is a great NBA player who changed his playing style to coexist with LeBron and greatly contributed to the Cavaliers' championship.
He shoulda been a top 20 all time power forward.His minnesota teams were literally unorganized they kept not properly building around him,constantly changing starting lineups,rubio not turning into a top 10 pg n coaching changes.He wasn't stat padding at all he just was that good.Then he went to a LeBron team and turned into a 4th option they liked diming to jr smith then to love at times.It's really shameful when he woulda been a automatic hall of famer regardless if he won a title by now or not
Thanks Magic
ChatGPT esque response
@@mxhughes when you join a team with 2 players better than you, you're likely going to become a 3rd wheel. Draymond, Rodman, Worthy, Bosh, you get the picture.
@@IllMatic97exactly They act like this something new.. People wann hype Love Timberwolves stats like he was winning
"Why weren't the Timberwolves winning?" If you need any answer more comprehensive than 'Because they're the Timberwolves,' then you haven't been paying attention.
Lmao yeah, literally the most unsuccessful franchise of all time, no championships and the worst win percentage of all franchises 😭
@@Janon743 I'd say that the Clippers are probably way worse than them. In nearly 53 years as an NBA team, they never won a single Conference title. The most that they did is the 2 Division titles on 2013 and 2014, which are the years where the Pacific Division are easily the worst in their entire existence (Kobe is basically injured on every game, the Kings were nothing, Curry hasn't taken off, and the Suns are in the transition period after the lost of the Nash/Stoudemire duo and the arrival of Booker).
can y’all cover the bears’ beef with winning A game
Lol damn bro
As a bears fan, this is so real
😂😂😂😂
Ay, they winning rn🤷♂️
Bears vs winning
On a semi-related note, someday Secret Base absolutely has to cover the four straight years the Cavs and Warriors met at the Finals. I feel like such a historical rivalry has come and gone without much retrospective.
Yeah we are almost to the point where it’s been long enough to look back at it without it being too fresh in most peoples minds.
do you mean the cavs
@@lacanm1554 yep, i fixed it now.
Eh. As a fan of the Warriors and a fan of Lebron, I’m not really sure what the hook for that is. I don’t remember there really being any heat between the teams and only one of those Finals was exciting.
Delly was a god in those 2015 finals. I’d love to see Jon Bois cover that.
I remember watching that play. It's one of few plays I've ever seen where I refuse to watch a replay (skipped past it in this video), like Nick Chubb's injury this year or Kevin Ware at Louisville.
Even as a Cleveland fan, I don't think Olynyk intentionally ripped Love's arm out of it's socket. That would take a disgusting person to want to do. But there is no denying that he intentionally grabbed his arm and pulled, whether it was to dislocate his shoulder or he was just pissed and tried to throw him to the side.
Any one where the leg bends the wrong way is a big nope from me.
Don’t forget about Haywards injury
Obviously he didn't intend to injure him but it was clearly a dirty play that resulted in an injury that impacted the NBA finals. A small piece of me will ALWAYS hate Olynyk for that. Always
No, he did that on purpose. He felt his arm go slack and then he yanked.
If you think that’s bad
Look up Andrew Boguts injury
I always liked KL. KO, throughout his life, has been a solid guy. Team Canada at FIBA this summer found him to be an amazing teammate and locker room leader.
Captain Canada. He and Powell have been in the national program for all its ups and downs. Watching the two of them celebrate together after winning the medal was a great moment
Finally more basketball videos. Please keep them coming!
Right! I think they should stagger the videos. Give me football vids during basketball season, and vice versa.
EXACTLY! Lol I was thinking yesterday “what happened to the nba videos”
@@rodneycooperjr3223facts, I need football beef in March and basketball beef in September
I love these Beef videos with Clara Morris. Her voice and delivery is so good. Seth Rosenthal's stuff is also good in the same way.
her humor is spot on. she’s very good at her job. Seth as well
Common Clara Morris W
Dude when she started I did not like it. Now I like it. She grows on you.
@@Shawn-Leider She grows on me like the mosquito she sounds like.
I'm surprised a lot of people seems to really like her. Me personally, I find her voice very annoying
It’s one thing to get tangled up, but unless he was literally falling to the floor, Olynyk had no business doing the “yank down” bit. And his body language and position doesn’t indicate it at all. Pulling Love’s arm across his body afterwards? No chance that was a clean play.
Olynyk isn’t a full-time dirty boi in my book, unlike fellow Canadian Dillon Brooks. But when his adrenaline picks up, he defaults to being dirty. Almost every negative incident he’s been on has been either playoffs, or when he personally is struggling.
i actually dont think kelly is a dirty player. hes as dirty as everyone else.
Yeah, Brooks left no doubt last year when he knocked GP2 out. Dirty af.
lol draymond calling people dirty is quite comedic
Bill Laimbeer said that Kelly was dirty too.
Draymond crosses the line once in a while but he's never intended or caused injury to another player
@@FunWithMemesFunWithMemes Bro he curb stomped Sabonis what are you on
Cleveland should’ve won that 2015 title. Losing love and then Kyrie in back to back rounds was awful
The way i always see it is we should have won in 2015, and they should have won in 2016. Im happy with how it worked out in the end though
Love was lost in round 1, Kyrie was lost in game 1 of the finals.
Side note: I’ve heard some say in retrospect that Kevin Love was overpaid for his role and Cleveland would have been better off getting a couple defensive role players for the same money.
As far as 2015 goes, if nobody got hurt, it could’ve been a seven game Cavs victory like 2016 was.
They coulda won but they folded in game 4 when they had all the momentum on their side and golden state was still inexperienced and unproven in that setting.2015 finals is a very downplayed LeBron choke job
@@frankrocchio5927Kyrie was lost in an earlier round, came back early in game 1 of the Finals and got injured again
Appreciate the content guys, but you HAVE to cover Marshon Lattimore-Mike Evans beef soon
Nah, I think they should do Vasily Brzgov and Truli Ganchanpov in the serbian 5th division of the Mzavanov Cigarettes and Diapers National Curling and Horse Fishing League during the 1954-1958 seasons. Probably the most insane beef of all time. Involves live turkeys, a mother choosing her sons competitor over her son, a couple of riots in the towns Blazovnikok (12 population) and Vladsovnikov (18 1/3 population) and a Chicken Kiev. Much more interesting than whoever Mike Lattimore and Marshon Lattivans is.
I totally forgot about that beef. I second that lattimore-evans beef
It's still ongoing, give it more time
@@Amm17arI don’t know what I just read but I’m so intrigued.
Love these videos and this channel but people forget and disrespect how good Kevin Love was in Minnesota. He was a flat-out star.
I feel like ripping someones arm out of socket is pretty hard to argue that it was a "basketball move" or that it "just happens"
Its called playing in the paint the nba used to be a man's game but like everything nowadays its pussified
@@arizonaFIREentayt ill just start pulling peoples arms out of the sockets then, i am "playing in the paint" after all
It was a hit job that changed the finals that year.
@@yellowgulaman3068make it to the NBA first
@@hellocollegejason198 Less booze, kiddo
Still believe this is one of the main reason Bron always went so hard at the Celts while in CLE during those yrs..
Or because the Celtics knocked him out twice before the Decision.
@@adamori9736 LeBron doesn't like the Celtics for several reasons.
I've always had the personal theory that Lebron went hard at the Celtics in his 2nd stint with CLE because of how his first stint with CLE ended. The season before he left for Miami, CLE was eliminated from the playoffs by the Celtics and got thumped in the final game. A LOT of people thought Lebron mailed it in on that final game because he didn't care and he wanted to leave (of course that was just the start of a lot of criticism he got that year). I feel like when he came back to CLE he always made it a point to go extra hard against the Celtics to purge this particular memory.
Bro was a monster every time he played Boston💯
Kelly Olynyk is the Warrior's 2015 Finals MVP
That injury sucks so bad, it happened to me and it changed the way i play now and no longer allowed to play competitively.😢
I fully understand not making peace with a guy who could have ruined your career
Well maybe you should not have pulled someone's shoulder out
@@MrMMAJER you are unable to read, it happened to the commenter
@@MrMMAJERIt's not the players mentioned in the video, the commenter is the one who had the same injury and I know a childhood friend who had the same injury too and let me tell you it changed the way he played.. and for the worse too.. Dude was depressed about it for a while..
@@kenrickeason no one cares. Trolll
Nobody remembers that Kelly Olynyk dropped 26/4/4 in a game 7 for the Celtics to close it out
Many fans only knew Olynyk because he injured Kevin Love and ruined CAVs' Champ run that year. Such a moment of fame and attention could be a curse or a blessing.
Most of us know him from the multiple heat playoff runs. Specifically the 2020 season when they made the finals.
Him and Kyrie injured didn’t help LeBron at all. LeBron still had an unbelievable Finals without them. Cavs took them to 6. Could’ve and should’ve been a sweep.
Indeed, that was a heroic final performance from LBJ in that situation. Sometimes, failure can tell more about a tough guy. @@17Blasian
He's well known for the Game 7 performance against the Wizards. Like, very well known. Nobody' in Washington or Boston will ever forget him because of that. 27 points and he had like 15 straight in the 4th. Literally took the game over.
@@JSWang-ii8kdlol sounds to me once again we're tryin to make excuses and find ways to celebrate losing
The one thing that strikes me the most from this video is how much Olynyk's face changed from his teen years as a result of his growth spurt. Pituitary hyperactivity is wild.
there's rumors he took steroids back then
Love saying it was on purpose is likely due to Olynyk actually tugging down hard on his arm.
And Rick Fox taking a still if their arms entangled in a similar way is really, really reaching for the other side of the argument. Anyone who has ever gone for a rebound at any level knows that sometimes one will wrap the other up to impede their arm, but that's easily oountered by the other guy pulling his arm up and over. Anyone can "look" like they're going to do something bad at any time, but it's the action of actually doing it that sets them apart from others. Olynyk did it, whether he meant to do exactly what he did or not, he went through with it. Did he deserve the negative attention for it? I believe so
I think a video about John Elway winning his first Super Bowl could be a good story. So many years of setbacks finally undone. I’m not sure if it would be best done in a rewind or an opposite of the ringless videos you guys did. But I feel like that would be a good watch. A rewind on Ray Borque lifting the cup would be sick too.
Maybe a PRISM episode on Elway
A rewind of the helicopter play.
This and a collapse episode on the Broncos after 2015
@@KayDee215hell yeah, for some reason I’m really intrigued by Elway
how about a video of the Broncos losing by 50 points
The arm getting tied up is one thing. But dropping your weight down on the joints while the arm was tied up is a whole different thing.
I still only know Kelly as "the shoulder guy"
Green is calling Olynyk dirt? Come on, man!
I don't tend to think basketball players are dirty unless they have a history of intentionally antagonizing or hurting other players like Dillon Brooks, Draymond Green, and Bill Laimbeer. I usually tend to think the bigger guys are just more uncoordinated. Although I can believe that Kelly Olynyk was trying to be more 'physical' after being called soft, was uncoordinated, and in the heat of the game tore Kevin Love's shoulder. I think you'd need to really hate someone to tear someone's shoulder out intentionally which wouldn't be in Kelly's character, so he likely was just very clumsy and reckless while boxing out.
This doesn’t really feel like a normal beef history episode. Basically one thing happened and that’s it
They have to be running out of beef stories at this point
The last few have been weak.
Its a great day because Secret Base uploaded! Fan from the Philippines here
This one seemed light on the beef and heavy on the history. Clara's delivery is perfect as always though.
Great video ! Love Clara as always !
Maybe he didn’t intend to rip Kevin Loves shoulder out of his socket but it’s pretty clear he wanted to grab his shoulder and do something to hurt him. -like how Sergio Ramos probably didn’t intend to rip out Mo Salah’s shoulder in the UCL final (Mo Salah’s biggest game of his life) but Ramos definitely voluntarily hooked their shoulders together and went to ground which so happened to rip out Liverpools best player and most likely to score player. -they probably didn’t intend to, but it happened because they got to those positions intentionally. Ruined reputation is deserved. And I’m not even that big of a basketball fan but I know some some players but I’ve never heard of this guy.
Great episode, amazing series, and the best narrator!
I'm a Cavs fan and I can say rightfully or not Olynyk to this day gets booed in Cleveland anytime he touches the ball.
Need the hour long Kobe and Shaq beef
Just watch the shaq and Kobe sit down. Watching another video of that being broken down is boring at this point.
I played with Kelly in high school, literally one of the nicest people I have ever met
I'm from Toronto, was it in Ontario? If so, what school?
Olynyk to this day gets booed every time he touches the ball in Cleveland
Totally forgot about this beef. Great episode
Rewinder: 2006 Orange Bowl 3OTs
Beef History: Lindros vs Flyers Organization
Overlap: Greatest College Football Coach (Saban) and the Greatest NFL Coach (Belichick) coaching in the same division
Untitled: Reggie Miller
Untitled: Ken Griffey Junior
Untitled: Jim Kelly
Collapse: Early 90s Bills
Untitled: Red Sox Players (particular Yaz)
Prism: Steph Curry and all those mid major players
Rewinder: The Catch By Willie
Rewinder: Hank Aaron and Bonds breaking the respective HR record
Untitled: Don Nelson
Untitled - Charley Burley?
I love all you guys. But Clara is the best at these.
I remember the Robin Lopez incident! My heart dropped when I saw Kelly put Robin in that same position he did with Kevin. Robin is a HUGE trash talker so it wouldn’t be shocking if it was on purpose lol
"Always want to be fair to people sending death threats" 😂
Any day that a Clara video drops is a good day
Well done clara! U kill it every time
Don’t forget the time Zach Randolph karate chopped him in the throat 😂😂
ZBO!
As a Cavs fan, I’m still not over this
We will heal in time
You literally won a title…get over it
@@mimosajd Yes, it's like as if Patriots fans were still pissed about Super Bowl XXXI or something.
@@mimosajd I never thought about that. Thank you. You've set me free
Oh I am too man, but we got one the next year
"I dont know the laws in canada and im not going to look them up" Clara is gold
Kelly Olynyk's reputation was not ruined from this wth?
Glad you're back Bart Simpson voice
My favorite narrator is back! 😎
Some of these beef histories are starting to be about a single incident that is not really beef.
Olynyk was my dude when he was in college
you were gay for him? Lol
not gonna lie. I've been waiting for you to do this one🤔
This series is great would you ever consider doing an episode based on wander Franco’s beef with consent laws
The beef story I’ve been waiting for
kinda awkward to frame this as "evidence for vs against" when most of one side and all of the other side is literally just "this guy said so, and this guy said so, and this guy said so". i mean, yeah, olynyk is a dirty player, but when all you have to work with is vibes, it's hard to make an entire video breaking down the facts
the videos narrated by clara are the best
Please make more beef histories!!!!!
Beef history: Ernie Grunfeld vs quality basketball
We gonna show what perk did afterwards? I forgot if JR smith did something this game to or if it was another game.
Can't help but give Kevin's the Minnesota treatment
Oh yeah this one dirty play that started a beef. Fortunately for K-Love and the Cavs, they would toppled the Celtics not just in 2015 in a 4-game sweep but also in 2017 in the Eastern Conference Finals in 5 games.
They also missed out on a championship from this. Odds are they win in 2015 with Kevin Love on the floor
and it cost the cavs the 2015 nba championship. may have shifted the competitive balance of the cavs warriors rivalry and potentially caused the warriors to make moves early and disrupt that core thus never allowing their dynasty.
i’ve been waiting
Regardless of whether you think Love was injured on purpose or not, the fact remains that it cost him the rest of the season, and it is highly likely that the Cavs would’ve won it all if Love hadn’t been injured.
That's the theory but I think either way the warriors win in 2015
Ouch. Anyway, what made Donovan McNabb finish his career Untitled?
My favorite NBA team is the Cavs. This injury to Love in 2015 really hurt us in the NBA championship, as we also lost Kyrie Irving in the 1st game.
I’m past halfway in and there has been no beef yet just an incident
Finally a Clara beef episode :)
let's go Clara!
1:14 Glen should be the last person to critique Kevin Love, considering how he himself wasted Kevin Garnett's Prime years.
I didn't click on the video and somehow I knew it was gonna be her narrating. Also she MIGHT have the best comedic timing on secret base imo.
I really doubt Olynyk ever thought to himself that he wanted to injure Love. I didn't look closely at the play, but if he's anything like me (except much bigger, stronger, and better at basketball), he probably was upset about something and thought that it'd be fair to get a quick one in on one of his opponents, and at that very moment, he just happened to have Love in a vulnerable position, and it only took a moment of lacking self control to create a much larger repercussion than he'd bargained for.
If you do something that might injure someone intentionally then you injured them on purpose.
If you stab someone you can't then say "I wanted to hit him somewhere where he didn't die".
I love you people!!!
You watch the interaction at full speed and it definitely gives the impression of normal physical basketball (which has inherent risks of injury) going wrong. I doubt either player would have thought this outcome was even a remote possibility even if there was malice involved.
I haven’t heard of Kelly Olynik in like 5 years
The eyeball game is wild statement!!
You guys should do johnny manziels beef with responsibilities
id never thought id be watching beef history between olynyk and love
What about the time Dwayne Wade dislocated Rajon Rondo's elbow?
Kevin love was absolutely a stud in Minnesota and it seems like he never had that aggressiveness in any other place
Cavaliers would have won that championship had they been healthy the entire playoff series.
I prefer nuanced arguments to black and white indictments, so I'm inclined to believe the "bungling oaf" argument 🤔
Calra Morris is the goat at being a factual narrator
Thank you Carla, I just love hearing your voice...
Only disagreement i have is that Kevin Love isnt overrated lol
I think if Love didn't get injured in that Celtics series the Cavs win it all. Even without Kyrie I think Love helps
That play cost the Cavaliers a potential dynasty. It gave the Warriors confidence, but it gave the 16 Cavs the motivation to come back 1-3.
Cap
Well done Clara!!! This is your best piece yet!!!
Evan Turner spoke highly of KO on JJ Redick's podcast
Easily one of the most dirty plays i have ever personally seen
Whoever painstakingly masked out the background at 7:25, retaining every loose strand of Olynyk's hair... I see you.
Death threats aside because you have to be insane to think that's normal or okay, Olynyk got booed for YEARS any time his teams played in Cleveland because of this beef
Can we do a beef video of Clara and the proper pronunciation of Gonzaga?
Yeah not sure what Rick Fox was on about. Theres a huge difference between K Love's positioning where he is keeping Olynik's arm in place to use his own opposite arm to grab the board. Yes, Olynik had K Love's arm in a similar position, but he also used his own opposite hand to pull on K Love's already isolated arm. Unless Olynik had some kinda jiu jitzu training in the past, it def was an accident ... but an arm bar def isnt a "basketball play" 😂
Saying Love was not a star player and was stat padding in Minnesota is ridiculous. Those T-Wolves team were trash. Name someone else on those teams. Name an all-star teammate Love had on the T-Wolves. If he was such an average stat padder why did Cleveland want him? Why has he been to the Finals 6 times?
This was messed up and Cleveland needed the help in finals after Kyrie got injured as well, But if you know about Allen Iverson and Jerry Stackhouse problems I think that would be interesting.
Just thinking yesterday what happened to the nba videos lol