Are the SEC and Big Ten Really Closed off for Clemson & Florida State?
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- čas přidán 25. 08. 2024
- College Football Mafia Presents...
The Big 12 Mafia Show: Are the SEC and Big Ten Really Closed off for Clemson & Florida State?
Reporter Brett McMurphy dropped a bombshell on the #collegefootball world and #conferencerealignment this morning. Per his report neither #floridastatefootball or #clemson have a spot open to them in either the #SEC or #Bigten . We will talk about it and discuss our thoughts on this latest report.
I can’t believe I missed this show until now. It was a good one. It was timely, and it still is, imo.
The ACC viewership share is vary interesting. One thing to consider is the direction the football programs are moving. Clemson isn't the dominant program they were a few years ago.
FSU has rebounded in the past 2 years from their previous run of 4 consecutive loosing seasons.
Miami is the wildcard. They could ascend past Clemson in tv viewership in a few years. The thing people fail to realize is that the administration at Miami has never invested in its football program until they hired Mario Cristobal. They are contractually obligated per Cristobal's contact. With the financial commitment, Miami has a better coaching staff and better players that it hasn't seen in 20 years. The ceiling for Miami is very high, which is why FOX wants them in the B1G. It will be very interesting to see the ACC viewership numbers after the 2024 season.
You guys need to add gold to wv logo on your big 12 mafia shot , good show
The ACC refused to see the Pac die. Awareness could have saved em.
Nonsense. The ACC internally considered all PAC and BIG12 schools and passed as not working. Only after recently shifting to surviving as a Tier 2 did it preemptively backfill with CAL+2. That's more proactive than the BIG12 and PAC were.
B1G is still about image and still sees AAU as very important.
I've brought it up on multiple shows and kept getting beaten for saying it.
Not Required to join according to commissioners but presidents have the final say.
Fluge made your point about AAU very clearly as part of the relationship angle.
@michaelbee2165 He put a couple of my comments in chat on the banner a couple of times.
Once about AAU and the other time about relationships with Florida State not being what they seemed.
I know some information about the B1G and he knows way more about everything so it was nice to have him acknowledge me even a little.
Lmao FSU has a BOT discussing the final steps in getting their AAU accreditation. When they do they will be pushing a billion in research yearly lmao. About to build a giant Medical Research facility on campus as well as satellite locations. Academically they would be the tip top of the Big12n Top half Big10 and Top quadrant SEC. Using AAU as a reason FSU won't get in the Big10 is just illogical.
AAU accreditation is a big deal. AAU schools bring in more money in academic research than all of college football and college basketball combined. They also share research. This is the lens the school presidents are looking through.
You need to have milk suckers in every conference. They serve their purpose. They're there to fill games and provide wins to their member schools. You really can't have the top 20 teams all in one conference beating up on each other. Not with 4 leagues.
11 of the B1G school chancellors and presidents said they will not add an institution that doesn't have AAU accreditation. They have added 1 non-AAU school (Michigan St.) in 1964. AAU schools bring in more money in academic research than ALL of college football and basketball combined. It's not as sexy as college sports, but it brings in more money. The B1G will bring in schools like ND, UNC, Duke, Miami, Virgina, GT, and Stanford.
Wrong about AAU history. Michigan State wasn’t AAU when they were added. Notre Dame could have joined anytime without AAU status.
Is this new information for you?
Now, currently they may not consider a school without AAU status. That may be correct. But B1G has taken Non AAU before
@moffprof02 You are absolutely correct. Michigan State is the only school. Thanks for the history lesson.
I don't see the B1G adding any non-AAU schools. A majority of the school chancellors and presidents have said no. Nebraska thumbed their nose at the conference when they were told they weren't upholding the standard. Consequently, they were voted out of the AAU. I think this is the biggest factor for the B1G committee. They don't want to allow schools in on promises of obtaining AAU.
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You are probably correct. I think there is a decent chance B1G may take FSU depending on how the dominoes fall in ACC implosion and what decision Notre Dame makes.
I heard from a source today that Brett McMurphy used to be a legitimate journalist…but I haven’t been able to verify that claim
Warchant is more reputable? Lol
FSU fan denial is extraordinary.
@@tarheel7406 😂😂😂😂😂UNC gullibility is legendary
@@heartbreak25 …who’s Warchant?
@@seminoldschool7032 It's Fox News for FSU fans.
People people people people people always drop in after the show and leave a comment please thank you very much.
Why would FSU vote for schools knowing they would leave the ACC because it is no longer lucrative to its schools. Also, some schools in the B1G have seen new presidents, and so has FSU. Everyone loves FSU President Richard McCullough. The guy is awesome. Don’t understand this difference in culture thing, but diversity is fine. FSU can and will do it’s part in the B1G. 😊.
Thanks WildUte, FSU is not disrespectful or disruptive for trying to exit a bad contract that the ACC is trying to coverup.
FSU is cocky and arrogant according to the president of one of the B1G presidents. That president is an old veteran of B1G knowledge and lore. Her school has been in the B1G for hours and, even though it has yet to play a game in the conference, she is a trusted source. Kind of like going to a business to see what they are about and talking to some guy that it turns out, it was his first day on the job. Just smile and say nothing. It will be fun to look back on a year from now.
@@505premoto That FSU is a low expansion priority isn't recent news.
@@505premoto No no no. FSU needs to be wiser, and more strategic. Your statement demonstrates why FSU could be left out. The University of Washington in Seattle is very close allies with Wisconsin/Michigan/Northwestern/USC/and UCLA. They form part of the inner circle of the AAU. UCLA, Washington, Wisconsin, Northwestern, and Michigan were tight for decades before the PAC schools joined. UCLA and Washington are closer to Ann Arbor/Madison than other schools in the BIG are to Wisc/Mich. In fact, It would be far better for FSU if the founder Purdue opposed FSU instead of Washington. Michigan, Northwestern, Wisconsin, and now UCLA/USC would just ignore Purdue as is common for Michigan/Wisconsin/ Northwestern. Washington makes up part of the academic center of the new BIG with Northwestern/Mich/Wisc UCLA/USC. Those are the academic 6 FSU must impress. Seattle is not a school you want to cross or upset. They are generally a top 5 research school in the US. Moreover, Washington is highly regarded by their peers including the Ivy League. FSU is being told they need to work on relationships. Washington, UCLA, and USC are day 1 inner-circle BIG members.
@@UNCGRAD0647 Undoubtedly, much of what you say is quite accurate but it does strike me as quite funny that of all the schools in the B1G, they chose to talk to the one who has never played a game in the conference. It struck me as funny then and it still does.
Now turning attention to the matter of relationships, that is clearly an area that FSU needs to work very hard on. It struck me as quite odd the comments of the president of Washington being so critical of the president of FSU like he was some rube. Dr. Richard McCullough, the fairy new president of FSU, came from his last position as Vice Provost of Harvard, hardly a rube and one who is quite comfortable talking with other university presidents and highly respected. I sincerely doubt that he came across as arrogant or ignorant.
In terms of FSU being a candidate for admission into the B1G, I take the long view. I strongly feel that there won’t be any conference realignment in the near term as both P2 conferences digest their new members and, just as importantly, try to figure out the impact of the House settlement. No one now has anything approaching a clear understanding of what college athletics will look like going forward. And there is simply no pressing need to do anything.
In 4-5-6 years when the contracts come up for renegotiation, then the matter of conference realignment will be a topic of discussion. In the meantime, FSU will have their AAU and have moved up academically from #53 to the mid 40’s. Right now, they are tied with Minnesota and ahead of, in order, Michigan State, Penn State, Indiana, Rutgers, Iowa, Oregon and Nebraska. Not laggards by any means. When that time comes, they will be able to present solid academic credentials. As for the part about building relationships, that is an area of weakness at present. But remember, university presidents generally serve for about six years on average so there will be a number of fresh faces when the time comes. We will see but I feel good about their chances.
Thank you for your very well articulated response.
@@505premoto I hope you understood what I was saying and that it was more a statement of Washington's position than anything about FSU. I can understand how a team that is not even in the BIG today having the power to keep others out rubs people the wrong way. For the record, I truly do not believe the SEC or BIG want to expand for anyone right now. While reporters have put UNC ahead of others in a hypothetical addition, no one including Thamel and McMurphy has indicated UNC has the votes to get in. When UNC made some noise, Swarbrick cautioned everyone against leaving and UNC stayed quiet. In fact, the supposed pro-SEC Interim balked and sided with pro-BIG Bubba while an exit strategy was toppled.
Multiple schools in the SEC are known to be against any and all expansions until at least 2034. The schools are Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina and Kentucky. July 1, we have Texas-OU which are likely no votes on any expansion.
Conversely, understand that the BIG is one of the hardest organizations to join and is extremely secretive. Notice how one of the "so-called" CZcams insiders has gone from "the walls are closing in on Notre Dame" to Notre Dame signing the NBC contract. Then it was FSU-Miami chalk to the BIG. Later, it was Clemson-FSU to the BIG chalk. Now within the last month, it's finally Clemson-FSU are not priorities. Let me tell you the truth as someone who knows many people in the BIG/ACC and media. Clemson was never getting into the BIG and I question anyone who believed they were.
I know how respected McCullough is and that his top credentials are from Johns Hopkins. Hopkinsis D1 Lacrosse in the BIG. Lacrosse is Hopkins only D1 sport. FSU is wise to prefer the BIG as that association can eventually differentiate FSU from UF. There are only 2 athletic associates mentioned in academia: one is the Ivy, and the other is the BIG. No one ever mentions the ACC even though from a USNWR perspective they are equal to or slightly bigger than the BIG. Why? The BIG is older and it represents large research juggernauts. The ACC is younger and is a hodgepodge of small private schools and some public. Many of the private's have average research reputations while the BIG chose to outdo the Ivies in research. 3 of the 4 schools the BIG added do 1 billion in research. All 4 are AAU including Oregon.
Now, I will attempt to allow you to understand me further, While I did my graduate school work at UNC, I also went to Princeton and U. Chicago. I am not a Southerner nor do I currently live in North Carolina. I hold no ill will to FSU as many on these sites do. Let me build you up a little and show I understand media, academia, and CFB. Since the 1990s, hell since 1980, FSU has more Coaches/AP Titles than OSU, Mich, USC, and Penn. St- they all have 2 while FSU has 3. Nebraska actually has 3 in the 90s and 2 in the early 1970s. Tom Osbourne was the brilliant offensive coordinator of the early '70s teams (before my time) while he was Head Coach of the '90s titles. I am well aware of FSU''s feats both in academia and sports.
You have to decide what kind of human you are or as Dirty Harry understood, "a man's got to know his limitations". SEC people have no problem voting for a hated rival in a playoff or title game. I saw many people from Georgia on YT wishing Bama luck against Michigan. No one at OSU wished Michigan luck and everyone voted against them. This is not a small issue but a hill to die on and a dividing line between the BIG and SEC. Could you vote for a rival like Miami to win a Natty to support the conference? USC can never vote for UCLA in a basketball title even if it would have helped the PAC or future BIG. Same for UCLA rooting for USC football. They truly hate each other. Ditto every main BIG rivalry. Some men let people get with their wife, and some do not. I could never vote for Dook nor will I ever cheer for a conference of low-ranked schools- SEC-SEC-SEC. As an FSU guy, you need to decide whether you are the type of individual who votes for hated rivals or in fact is a normal human who hates everything about his rival. That is a line of demarcation between the BIG and SEC. There is also the massive SAT/ACT and IQ difference.
Keep the faith, keep moving the chess pieces as required and FSU will get to where it needs to go.
48:00 flawed analysis - using a depressed contract payout and taking a proportionate share based on eyeballs does NOT give you value of the program to the media partner. You must look at what revenues the media partner brought in based on the program’s games and rationally allocate that between the program and their opponents. THAT’s the value to the media partner. This whole thing is blowing up because FSU & Clemson are being undervalued and NOT being paid what they are inherently worth.
Go back to finance class Ute. Defective logic, defective analysis. Garbage in, garbage out. Your assumptions are bad on the front end. And everyone else should not just be nodding & agreeing.
Utes an A I
ACC survival ended when they slept thru the Pac-s end!
Why and how did the ACC sleep? They considered every PAC school and passed due to the financials not working. Revisited again after a shift to managing a decline to the BIG12's Tier 2 level.
Moen just wants Miami cheap.
Between FSU & Miami, I'd take Miami all day!
Only because you don’t know any better
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@@TallyHo850 Classic, FSU now having to argue that it's better for the BIG12 than others?